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Author Topic: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant  (Read 608246 times)

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2235 on: March 14, 2010, 01:09:18 PM »
Omnibus

 If you do a sim on Jim's. Spin it at about 20 rpm and watch what happens to the weights.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2236 on: March 14, 2010, 07:00:07 PM »
Heeeya

This seems like an interesting idea P-Motion, but seeming is different from being lol. Weather it works or not, its good to see people building and sharing their designs with the members on this forum in return for good quality criticism in order to gain more knowledge, and hopefully make one step closer to a great discovery.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2237 on: March 14, 2010, 07:01:06 PM »
You guys, why are you arguing? We're in the same boat and we need to find a solution to this. Everyone involved here contributes something. Only these liars, pretending to have done something only to wait for someone else to build it and then take credit, only these are to be uncovered sooner and rejected. Most other people here are honest and we shouldn't waste time bickering about nothing.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2238 on: March 14, 2010, 07:03:23 PM »
@P-Motion,

Can you make a vid of that four-weight rig to see what's going on? Thanks.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2239 on: March 14, 2010, 08:46:52 PM »
  Alan,
 Why don't you accept my challenge so you can talk about what you are doing.
 The fact that you have already slandered me makes your comments not worth listening to.
But I have always worked openly and this allows others to determine what they think of what I am doing.
 As for you, you have never allowed me to comment on any project that you are working on.
When we firt started posting in this forum, it was considered then that only open builds could be considered legitimate as secret builds could be claimed to be an attempt at anything..
                                                                          Jim

edited to switch me to others.

Hay Jim

 Lets keep this string civil, and just talk about the wheels.  There has been no slander from me here or anywhere else. And as for your challenge? I am so far ahead of what you are doing, so the answer is still no. But I am willing to help you out by cutting a ball wheel version of what you are doing and have Plexiglas sides so all can see. Since you are lacking what you need, I am offering help.

Alan
« Last Edit: March 14, 2010, 09:23:51 PM by AB Hammer »

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2240 on: March 14, 2010, 09:05:12 PM »
  @All,
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=5374.0
 This link is to a thread a markh started about a design he came up with.
 It was based on Bessler having said he used scissors. If you read the thread, you can see what Alan did and said.
 With this design, the scissors top lever should have been extended further from the pivot to allow for more leverage to be used. This would have allowed a lite weight to have lifted the heavier one at the bottom. The 2 attachmnets show Mark's original drawing and how it could have been modified.


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 Jim

 Scissor Jacks are problematic at best the way they are shown. So unless you have used them, you won't understand all you will be facing when designing with them. That is why I showed examples.

Alan

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2241 on: March 14, 2010, 09:22:32 PM »
  Omnibus,
 I have to wait until later this year before I can afford to buy a design program. I would tell you why but Alan only considers it an excuse.
 I am going to do a scale build of the coaster wheel. Since the mechanics of various possibilities have been worked out, they can be scaled down. This is something Alan already told me he doesn't want me building.
 So that he's lurking around commenting on what I'm doing does make me a little nervous.
 You would think he would  be working on his own ideas. Of course, if he wishes to be first then sabotaging his competitors efforts would make sense. It's not unheard of. Watch the movie cOOL rUNNINGS.It's a true story about the Jamaican bob sled team having their sled sabotaged because their competitors didn't want them winning a medal. It stars John Candy and is a good movie.
 With 4 weights, the attached pic shows where a weight would be over balanced. By timing it so that the weight goes over balanced 45 degrees after top center would allow for this. This is because at 45 degrees, that is essentially the balanced position for the wheel if the top right and bottom left weights are at the start positions.


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Jim

 The reason I am willing to help you build or even build it for you is so you can move on. The design is a waste of time, and has been tried untold amount of time in history, and from what you have built you should have learned this by now. Sooner or later you will see, I have been telling you the truth about your wheel designs, all along. I just tried to save you and anyone else with the same thoughts some time. But for some reason you always took it as an attack. So for now on I am offering to help you if that is what it takes. I have long since been tired of arguing.

Alan

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2242 on: March 14, 2010, 11:23:35 PM »
awwww.   They kissed and made up.

What a great team they will be.   :)

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2243 on: March 14, 2010, 11:24:56 PM »
@ abhammer, my advice to you is for you to build the most simple scissor jack for yourself, and u will see where the true power is.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2244 on: March 14, 2010, 11:46:45 PM »
awwww.   They kissed and made up.

What a great team they will be.   :)

LOL No kissing, long distance is close enough. I am just tired of the same-o same-o. If I help, maybe he will quit defending it and learn. I don't know if he will even agree, but we can hope for future strings . What he wants is to know what I am doing. But as you know I hold many secrets, mine and other peoples as well.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2245 on: March 14, 2010, 11:46:48 PM »
awwww.   They kissed and made up.

What a great team they will be.   :)

lol

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2246 on: March 14, 2010, 11:58:04 PM »
@ abhammer, my advice to you is for you to build the most simple scissor jack for yourself, and u will see where the true power is.

X00013

 I know where the power is for I have built several scissor jack wheels and learned. It is the answer? That remains to be seen in a runner with them. Here is one from 1 year after Bessler's death by a Mr A B  ;)
There are two version. I have an original published design of the other one as well.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2247 on: March 15, 2010, 01:38:58 AM »
@P-Motion

Please take a look at the attached avi. As seen that's a perfectly balanced wheel -- the center of mass tends to go underneath the axle and stays on there at equilibrium.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2248 on: March 15, 2010, 02:38:26 AM »
Don't forget to tell him there is a simpler way than what is illustrated. He won't get it though.

edited to add: if Bessler built an 8 weighted weights only wheel, there is a waythis might actually work.
But not allowed to discuss it.

Jim

 The design is public domain. So it is something to learn from. Why would I want to try to patent something that is public domain? I wouldn't bother. LOL


Omnibus

 Your video is what will happen every time, and if you spin it at 20 rpm the weights would stay in the outer positions. For some reason it seams, Jim thinks there is something there. I have been trying to tell him it is a dead end for over a year.

Alan

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2249 on: March 15, 2010, 03:17:45 AM »
Alan, unfortunately that's true. This approach is a dead end. Jim is an excellent builder and a very dedicated researcher and should think through it carefully to find a more successful direction. Everyone gets stuck in his pet project and I'm glad there is WM2D to help easily abandon non-productive directions, rather than finding it out through manufacturing the device.

 

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