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Author Topic: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant  (Read 711517 times)

Offline Omnibus

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2175 on: March 05, 2010, 09:28:15 PM »
Nope.  I proved that a given PE results in the same KE, regardless of the path taken.  This CONFIRMS CoE.

It also shows that a given PE can result in different AVERAGE KE, which proves absolutely nothing about CoE.  You claim that it is a violation of CoE.  Clearly you are wrong.  And no finagling or wiggling can escape this fact.

You don't understand that nothing you can present as proof (and you actually have presented nothing of substance) can invalidate the conclusion from the discussed experiment. Yours are futile efforts to save face and that's just a waste of time.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2176 on: March 05, 2010, 09:35:23 PM »
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It also shows that a given PE can result in different AVERAGE KE

That's funny. You're presenting something that we already know, as if that's your own finding. Not to say, you find it's a common fact that a given PE can result in different average KE. I got news for you. It's an uncommon fact. It proves violation of CoE. Start living with this fact being what it really is--uncommon.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2177 on: March 05, 2010, 09:49:44 PM »
That's funny. You're presenting something that we already know, as if that's your own finding. Not to say, you find it's a common fact that a given PE can result in different average KE. I got news for you. It's an uncommon fact. It proves violation of CoE. Start living with this fact being what it really is--uncommon.

Only thing uncommon is that someone would believe that since a given PE can result in different average KE that CoE is violated.  Also a bit sad.  But please go on stating that I am saving face, finagling, afraid of the truth, unwilling to live with facts, or whatever other nonsense you feel somehow discredits me and everyone else who proves you wrong.  I'll gladly give you the last word, if that is what you want.  It will probably be another fallacy, but I think we all expect that of you now.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2178 on: March 05, 2010, 09:52:42 PM »
I can't believe somone is as stupid as you are, but maybe that's the whole point eh omni=idiot?, wink wink, nudge nudge.


 In the off chance you are being sincere, or for anyone you've managed to hoodwink, give some yes and no answers for the following.

1. If a ball is the one following the curve and b ball is the one following the straight but decline track, since a ball finishes first it has greater energy at the end than b ball does. Yes or no?

2. The overall potentials from start to finish are the same since both balls have traveled the same vertical distance. Yes or no?

3. If the total horizontal length was 20 inches for both tracks, you agree that the potential A ball undergoes is greater at 10 inches of horizontal travel than it is for B ball at ten inches of horizontal travel. Yes or no?

Let me bring you to the back of the book for the answers ( though I'd still like to hear what your answers are ).
1. is no, 2. is yes, and 3. is yes.

Let me give you a similar example posed with a question. You have two decline tracks, both exactly the same, both like the track for B ball in the previous example. You let the A ball go first, and when it's reached the first ten inches of horizontal travel you let B ball go. Both tracks are the same but A ball has reached its end point first. After both balls have reached the end can it be said that a ball has more energy, yes or no?

You seem to be confused at what is going on. Let's go back to the first example. We release both balls at the 

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2179 on: March 05, 2010, 09:55:44 PM »
Only thing uncommon is that someone would believe that since a given PE can result in different average KE that CoE is violated.  Also a bit sad.  But please go on stating that I am saving face, finagling, afraid of the truth, unwilling to live with facts, or whatever other nonsense you feel somehow discredits me and everyone else who proves you wrong.  I'll gladly give you the last word, if that is what you want.  It will probably be another fallacy, but I think we all expect that of you now.

That only thing uncommon is a dramatic uncommon. CoE mandates that a given amount of energy is only transformed equivalently into other forms of energy. Not so in this case. That's a violation of CoE and anybody denying it is "finagling, afraid of the truth, unwilling to live with facts" etc., etc. Choose the infamous qualification you may find suitable for such behavior.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2180 on: March 05, 2010, 10:00:12 PM »
Cont.

... We release both balls at the exact same time. When A ball reaches the 10 inch mark B ball will be far behind. At this point can it be said that A ball has more kinetic energy than B ball? YES!!! :o  because it has used more of its vertical potential than B ball has at THIS POINT IN TIME. When both have finished they will both have used the same vertical potential and both will be traveling at the same velocity, and since kinetic energy is mass times velocity squared, both will have the same kinetic energy at this point in time. Still don't understand? Still think A ball has greater energy at this point in time? Go back and look at example 2.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2181 on: March 05, 2010, 10:00:19 PM »
@matrixman, you're confused. Don't try to beat around the bush but read carefully and try to understand what I already explained more than once.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2182 on: March 05, 2010, 10:02:08 PM »
No, no, don't continue with your examples, @matrixman, I don't have the time to sort out your confusion based on your examples. Read carefully what I explained and try to understand it if you can. If you can't understand it I can't help you. That's that.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2183 on: March 05, 2010, 10:04:30 PM »
Example--that's not the relevant question to be asked if you need to understand as to why CoE is violated and I explained why:

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1. If a ball is the one following the curve and b ball is the one following the straight but decline track, since a ball finishes first it has greater energy at the end than b ball does. Yes or no?

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2184 on: March 05, 2010, 10:04:48 PM »
Lol, I sense a fear of answering the questions. You are either very stupid or love playing games. In any case your reputation precedes you, I guess you have a lot of time on your hands.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2185 on: March 05, 2010, 10:18:56 PM »
Lol, I sense a fear of answering the questions. You are either very stupid or love playing games. In any case your reputation precedes you, I guess you have a lot of time on your hands.

No, you are very stupid. Cut it out.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2186 on: March 05, 2010, 10:22:15 PM »
I notice your complete reluctance to post pictures with explanations of what you're attempting to explain omnibus - could that be so you can not be held accountable by having to commit to paper ? - so you can change things as the discussion develops ?

The only thing you have proved without a doubt is that you are a complete imbecile, IMO.

Your thoughts on e-orbo's violation of COE have now lost a tremendous amount of stock & I wouldn't trust your thoughts on how the mechanical orbo might work after hearing this charade, though steorn seem to have successfully diverted attention away from that worthy prize by the art of deflection to e-orbo which they can't get to self sustain - just like your argument !

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« Reply #2187 on: March 05, 2010, 10:29:06 PM »
I notice your complete reluctance to post pictures with explanations of what you're attempting to explain omnibus - could that be so you can not be held accountable by having to commit to paper ? - so you can change things as the discussion develops ?

The only thing you have proved without a doubt is that you are a complete imbecile, IMO.

Your thoughts on e-orbo's violation of COE have now lost a tremendous amount of stock & I wouldn't trust your thoughts on how the mechanical orbo might work after hearing this charade, though steorn seem to have successfully diverted attention away from that worthy prize by the art of deflection to e-orbo which they can't get to self sustain - just like your argument !

See, this kind of gibberish, as what you've written above, doesn't matter one bit to me. It adds nothing to the discussion and that can be explained--you can't say anything sensible but spew gibberish about unrelated issues. What has eOrbo got to do with the current discussion of CoE violation? Practically nothing. Your tactics of diversion was uncovered early on. It won't help you, I assure you.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2188 on: March 05, 2010, 10:43:15 PM »
You have the last word omnibus  ;D - that's what you're about - I'm not intersted in ego turf wars - just truth.

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« Reply #2189 on: March 05, 2010, 10:48:09 PM »
You have the last word omnibus  ;D - that's what you're about - I'm not intersted in ego turf wars - just truth.

On the contrary, your posts show otherwise, you don't care about the truth.