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Author Topic: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant  (Read 823294 times)

Omnibus

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2025 on: February 24, 2010, 07:44:33 PM »
This is one of the most interesting experiments in youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZF01JCm-sI&NR=1. I'm re-posting it here from another thread because of the immediate relevance to the problem at hand.

Here is another vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhOiXCRQu0A&feature=related

This experiment is another illustration of the production of excess energy (production of energy "from nothing"), already demonstrated by the magnetic propulsor, as a result of the construction of the device allowing for spontaneous displacement under the action of a conservative force.

This important experiment is to be studied well and simulated, as a start, using wm2d or, better, with 3dmax (reactor) for possibly turning it into a self-sustaining device.

Omnibus

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2026 on: February 24, 2010, 09:55:32 PM »
Here's another, even simpler one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzZ9AKwZw28&NR=1

ramset

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2027 on: February 24, 2010, 10:52:44 PM »
Omni,

These vids make my head hurt!
Whats going on??

Chet

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2028 on: February 24, 2010, 11:15:22 PM »
This simplest apparent violation of CoE I've ever seen should be had in mind when pondering over the form of Abeling wheel slots, say. It appears the hockey stick slots we've been considering are not the best solution, judging from those last videos.

Maybe, even before working on Abeling wheel we should  consider whether or not these little experiments can be made self-sustaining. Amazing, isn't it? Videos hardly anybody has noticed for over two years made by a Turkish school teacher, who obviously also doesn't seem to appreciate himself the significance of the experiment he has proposed, may be the basis of the simplest ever self-sustaining device.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2029 on: February 24, 2010, 11:41:41 PM »


using gravity to convert stored potential energy to inertial energy..

Both balls start at the same point and end at the same point work done = work done

One expresses more velocity but the end result is the same


ramset

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2030 on: February 24, 2010, 11:41:47 PM »
This is causing fights in my office!!

People trying to explain it away as insignificant !

Chet

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2031 on: February 24, 2010, 11:50:22 PM »
Here's another, even simpler one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzZ9AKwZw28&NR=1
I've been reading Evert http://www.evert.de/eft301e.htm on this, but those Youtube videos make is so much apparent! Thanks a lot for posting it.

Brain fart. What if the low road not only had that 2nd little hill, but also a top ramp a la Abeling, to vertically decellerate the ball beyond g, and transfer into forward momentum? I wonder if the ball could meet the target sooner, or a higher top speed, possibly even OU for the height lost.

OT:
The low road principle should be awesome when applied to urban transport. Vacuum tubes, capsules, and trajectories well underground. A passenger would have a pent house boardroom capsule entry in the East of town, shoot down to street level and lower, attain hundreds of miles per hour to make it through the horizontal bit, and be braked by making it up a similarly high tower in the West of town. Trip duration to be expressed in seconds rather than minutes by helicopter, or hours by car.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2032 on: February 25, 2010, 12:06:01 AM »

using gravity to convert stored potential energy to inertial energy..

Both balls start at the same point and end at the same point work done = work done

One expresses more velocity but the end result is the same

Traveling longer distance for a shorter time means greater kinetic energy, doesn't it? And yet, both balls have equal initial-final potential energy. How does this happen?

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2033 on: February 25, 2010, 02:15:20 AM »
Omni:

I am glad you are bringing this to all of our attention.  I believe it deserves it.

Thanks,

Bill

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2034 on: February 25, 2010, 09:00:58 AM »
It's of course not about nominal height, but height difference that brings the greater speed.
The time factor is also in the angle of trajectory. Starting near flat, just takes a long time to get rolling anywhere.
To some degree, you might think that height comes at a cost, but depth can often be gotten for free.
Like in my capsule tube example, getting a machine to dig a deep tunnel is easier than to build  high higher building, and then getting to start high up. The depth is used, you just don't spend your stationary phase there. It's a fuel. Interestingly, with such transportation, it actually pays to have a heavy craft, to overcome air friction easier. Think, long train. Great weight for limited frontal surface.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2035 on: February 25, 2010, 09:07:51 AM »
Traveling longer distance for a shorter time means greater kinetic energy, doesn't it? And yet, both balls have equal initial-final potential energy. How does this happen?

when a bullet travels down its path it generates it own magnetic field, this magnetic field is very strong.

Omnibus

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2036 on: February 25, 2010, 09:14:13 AM »
when a bullet travels down its path it generates it own magnetic field, this magnetic field is very strong.
No,it doesn't. If it's electrically neutral, as bullets are, it doesn't.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2037 on: February 25, 2010, 09:27:35 AM »
No,it doesn't. If it's electrically neutral, as bullets are, it doesn't.

well. that is good for your spinning magnetic moment isn't it? every object generates a magnetic field of some sort. all!

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2038 on: February 25, 2010, 09:30:01 AM »
well. that is good for your spinning magnetic moment isn't it? every object generates a magnetic field of some sort. all!

In this discussion magnetic field has no role whatsoever.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #2039 on: February 25, 2010, 02:35:47 PM »
Omni

Just past the "apex" of the "humps" the ball would get lighter.[momentarily]

Perhaps this reduction in Friction yields a benefit [of course it would, but this seems a "Big" difference].

Chet
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I think the math for this would be complicated,but doable [explainable].
Ultimately I do "see" your point RE : a wheel ,as I recall "free flight" being a part of Abeling's wheel [this could be a very big piece]