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Author Topic: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant  (Read 503844 times)

Offline AquariuZ

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #150 on: April 08, 2009, 02:57:15 PM »
Well i'm not visualizing you'rs or Sjacks idear.  This is work i dit past month.  I have a few more setups, but because I cannot save the WM2D files i have to create everything again from startover.

But i'm glad you like it. 

I like it because I see serious overlaps in the way I think the Abeling Wheel works...

Just thought of this: canyou try and make the barrier straight with a slight curve to the right past the axle and see what happens?

I am just starting a new model. Did you see my previous wm2d model? Thoughts?

Here it is again the first try at the shot-put principle in wm2d: http://www.gigasize.com/get.php?d=yz59m4y7wqd

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #151 on: April 08, 2009, 03:00:08 PM »
I like it because I see serious overlaps in the way I think the Abeling Wheel works...

Just thought of this: canyou try and make the barrier straight with a slight curve to the right past the axle and see what happens?

I am just starting a new model. Did you see my previous wm2d model? Thoughts?

I'm sorry but i cannot open WM2D files, because i only have the demo version. So i did not see them, would like to, do you have a movie ?

And i can do something you like, but you have to be more specifick.. a drawing maybe?

Or did you mean something like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8QK8w2sw8Y&feature=channel_page

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #152 on: April 08, 2009, 03:11:21 PM »
I'm sorry but i cannot open WM2D files, because i only have the demo version. So i did not see them, would like to, do you have a movie ?

And i can do something you like, but you have to be more specifick.. a drawing maybe?

Or did you mean something like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8QK8w2sw8Y&feature=channel_page

Yes this is what I mean, try and see what happens without the motor driving the wheel (just pin it). And a straight barrier which curves to the right past the axle.

I do not know how to make a movie from a running wm2d model unfortunatly.

How do you create the arms? Are those polygons? I find it difficult to work with hollows in wm2d

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #153 on: April 08, 2009, 03:23:08 PM »
Yes this is what I mean, try and see what happens without the motor driving the wheel (just pin it). And a straight barrier which curves to the right past the axle.

I do not know how to make a movie from a running wm2d model unfortunately.

How do you create the arms? Are those polygons? I find it difficult to work with hollows in wm2d

I Created the movies with a free and simple screen capture program:

http://www.nchsoftware.com/capture/index.html

I use Rhino3D to design the structure and then import it in WM2D.  I have found a workaround for the hollows , i make a tiny opening in the loop so it is a polygon.

Try to make the opening as small as possible and if possible in a place where you will not have contact with the ball so it will not influence the setup.

Here is a picture to show the concept:



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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #154 on: April 08, 2009, 03:30:44 PM »
I got some requests about sharing the files..

I have no problem with that...  But i don't like it being called Abeling  >:(  I haven't heard or seen from him untill yesterday... And just apart from a few vague pictures we don't know anything about that machine.



So as i'm not trying to keep this for myself, i do have some vanity..  So i call it the K.A.D. system!   ;D

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #155 on: April 08, 2009, 03:38:15 PM »
Great designs !

Okay, let the WM2D files coming, so we all can work on it.

Maybe we just call it some kind of modified Bessler wheel.

It seems this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8QK8w2sw8Y

will work the best , when it is using the centrifugal forces,
so it needs at least a good speed.
Running too slow and it will not work.

Does anybody see a reason, why this should not work ?

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #156 on: April 08, 2009, 03:52:55 PM »
I Will do that shortly, have to install something first  ;)

I do have a version also with a more stable ball

K.A.D. ;D demo 5 :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSaKQEn0Wwc

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #157 on: April 08, 2009, 04:29:33 PM »
Great designs !

Okay, let the WM2D files coming, so we all can work on it.

Maybe we just call it some kind of modified Bessler wheel.

It seems this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8QK8w2sw8Y

will work the best , when it is using the centrifugal forces,
so it needs at least a good speed.
Running too slow and it will not work.

Does anybody see a reason, why this should not work ?

Regards, Stefan.

Well for now i think to much energy is still lost by the "bouncing" of the ball, I'm working on a refinement for that.

I will rebuilt the K.A.D. model you liked, (Because i couldn't save it before)  and will post it for you guys to play with,

And call me hardheaded, but i give you my designs without any restrictions.. besides the name~!  I think that's fare enough! 

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #158 on: April 08, 2009, 05:11:13 PM »
Okey, i quickly rebuilt two models Of the K.A.D.  ;D design for you guys to play with, lets hope we find something nice!

- Remark.  I noticed the ramp is a little steep in the beginning, i should make the curve better.  (working on that)


PS.  I don't claim this works.. It's just a way i see potention in.

Good luck and share the results!

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #159 on: April 08, 2009, 05:17:10 PM »
I like it because I see serious overlaps in the way I think the Abeling Wheel works...

Just thought of this: canyou try and make the barrier straight with a slight curve to the right past the axle and see what happens?

I am just starting a new model. Did you see my previous wm2d model? Thoughts?

Here it is again the first try at the shot-put principle in wm2d: http://www.gigasize.com/get.php?d=yz59m4y7wqd

Wow! I  :o can open it now, it looks great!   I will studie it some more! 

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #160 on: April 08, 2009, 08:16:08 PM »
@AquariuZ,

I just spoke with Sjack Abeling. He told me something to the effect that he is bound by a contract with his investors which does not allow him to show the motor to the outside world. All the information about his motor at this point can be obtained only from his website. He said that he's expecting to say more about the project in the coming months. I was curious as to whether his machine can be scaled down to a laboratory model but as far as I understand they only have the powerful ones geared toward industrial production. I wished him success in his undertaking and he agreed to give him a call in a month or two when he'll probably be allowed to say more about the project.

That was in essence our conversation and, as you see, investors are again standing in the way of science. A similar situation occurred with Mike Brady (Perendev) a couple years ago. I had several conversations with him to arrange a visit but in the end his lawyers decided the motor shouldn't be shown to anyone. If you remember he canceled a scheduled presentation. Same thing happened with Steorn -- I actually went to London to see the demo at Kinetica museum only to find out it's been canceled. One other place, except for Finsrud's machine in Oslo, where I saw a demonstration was in Novi Sad where Veljko Milkovic.showed me his device which isn't a self-runner unfortunately. Wonder what happened to Bob in Canada. His was the first modern gravity driven motor claimed to be demonstrable. I think Stefan was in contact with him but don't know if there's any development there.

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Offline AquariuZ

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #161 on: April 08, 2009, 09:27:59 PM »
Great designs !

Okay, let the WM2D files coming, so we all can work on it.

Maybe we just call it some kind of modified Bessler wheel.

It seems this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8QK8w2sw8Y

will work the best , when it is using the centrifugal forces,
so it needs at least a good speed.
Running too slow and it will not work.

Does anybody see a reason, why this should not work ?

Regards, Stefan.

Hi Stefan, can you please comment on my concept guess (page 7 I believe) it includes a crude wm2d model.

Even though this thread is about the Abeling Wheel, the possible overlaps with Cherryman's KAD and the core principle (the barrier) seem to be the only way to get the "D" shape as discussed on the previous page.

I think we should take that very specific path of the weight as it rotates with the wheel and gets "shot-putted" (Term: Abeling) and concentrate on that in trying to reproduce the Abeling Wheel.

I really like cherrymans models, and am working on another abeling concept guess using some of cherryman's ideas.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #162 on: April 08, 2009, 09:33:49 PM »
@AquariuZ,

I just spoke with Sjack Abeling. He told me something to the effect that he is bound by a contract with his investors which does not allow him to show the motor to the outside world. All the information about his motor at this point can be obtained only from his website. He said that he's expecting to say more about the project in the coming months. I was curious as to whether his machine can be scaled down to a laboratory model but as far as I understand they only have the powerful ones geared toward industrial production. I wished him success in his undertaking and he agreed to give him a call in a month or two when he'll probably be allowed to say more about the project.

That was in essence our conversation and, as you see, investors are again standing in the way of science. A similar situation occurred with Mike Brady (Perendev) a couple years ago. I had several conversations with him to arrange a visit but in the end his lawyers decided the motor shouldn't be shown to anyone. If you remember he canceled a scheduled presentation. Same thing happened with Steorn -- I actually went to London to see the demo at Kinetica museum only to find out it's been canceled. One other place, except for Finsrud's machine in Oslo, where I saw a demonstration was in Novi Sad where Veljko Milkovic.showed me his device which isn't a self-runner unfortunately. Wonder what happened to Bob in Canada. His was the first modern gravity driven motor claimed to be demonstrable. I think Stefan was in contact with him but don't know if there's any development there.

Thanks for that, I hope you have gotten a better picture of him at least.

And ofcourse we will lose the invention to Corporate unless we work together and reproduce, even though there is not much to go on but the words on the site and the scarse video footage.

I believe we can do it though, even if that seems wishful thinking. Abeling has left a lot of clues, the major one being the path of the weights.

With that:
"D" path
Dumbbells (unless someone has a better idea)
Barrier (Curved or not)
16 slots consisting of two types which look like boots
wheel consisting of two identical layers

We can go far. Have another look at the path (Taken from the video and overlaid with text by me)

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #163 on: April 08, 2009, 09:39:59 PM »
Thanks for that, I hope you have gotten a better picture of him at least.

And of course we will lose the invention to Corporate unless we work together and reproduce, even though there is not much to go on but the words on the site and the scarce video footage.

I believe we can do it though, even if that seems wishful thinking. Abeling has left a lot of clues, the major one being the path of the weights.

With that:
"D" path
Dumbbells (unless someone has a better idea)
Barrier (Curved or not)
16 slots consisting of two types which look like boots
wheel consisting of two identical layers

We can go far

Hey Aquarius,

From what i can make of you're model.. I think in your design the friction and the weight to get the dumbbell upwards the steep path is maybe too much.  On the other hand.. i do like the concept..  It rises fast and straight..  But with large weights..   This would be a brutal machine...  How can you make that from glass??

So i guess the solution must be in a smoother path..  without to many "impact" moments.

Just my two cents

Keep up the good work!

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #164 on: April 08, 2009, 09:44:31 PM »
When i look at the video footage , and see that he has different "pockets" at the outside ..

Could it be that going upwards they weights are in the round "pockets" and downwards in the oval pockets?  Or vice versa?...

Maybe there is only a very small D-shape, but to contrast the principle they present it as a D ?

Wat do you think?

 

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