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Author Topic: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant  (Read 677777 times)

Offline mondrasek

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #1395 on: May 10, 2009, 09:51:24 PM »
How does one "prove" a Unicorn does not exist?

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #1396 on: May 10, 2009, 10:06:10 PM »
How does one "prove" a Unicorn does not exist?

By proving it defies the laws of biology let alone physics and chemistry unless someone shows you a real Unicorn in flesh and blood. Then you have to rewrite these laws.

However, when the laws of mechanics are obeyed and yet something once thought impossible is proven otherwise by strictly keeping with these laws, then invoking Unicorns is irrelevant.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #1397 on: May 10, 2009, 10:18:54 PM »
Sorry, I cant help myself, I just have to post somthing with a unicorn in it  ;D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YIAUUNBzeE

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #1397 on: May 10, 2009, 10:18:54 PM »
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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #1398 on: May 10, 2009, 10:22:59 PM »
@All,

What needs to be done now is to develop a tool for finding an optimal construction that would maximize the effect.

One way is to first write in the form of script for AutoCAD what @eisenficker2000 has drawn (I don't see otherwise how the needed lengths of the sections and other data can be determined to be used for calculations). This script will serve further to add more script which would calculate  the eight torques and sum them up. This has to be done for an entire 180o turn of the wheel, possibly at 1o increment. Is there anybody around here who has experience in writing scripts for AutoCAD? 

One can do these things by hand but not only it's incomparably more labor intensive but also seems kind of ridiculous to do it that way while surrounded by so much computing power.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #1399 on: May 10, 2009, 10:24:53 PM »
Sorry, I cant help myself, I just have to post somthing with a unicorn in it  ;D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YIAUUNBzeE

Excellent!  Thanks for that!

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« Reply #1399 on: May 10, 2009, 10:24:53 PM »
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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #1400 on: May 10, 2009, 10:54:27 PM »
@All,

What needs to be done now is to develop a tool for finding an optimal construction that would maximize the effect.
...
Jeeez... What needs to be done now is that you stop your delusional posts avalanche, particularly because it seems that you are The One of a few who don't get it no matter what....

What effect??? What Perpetual motion??? What has been proven "beyond a doubt" (this is one of your eternal claims)...
Yes, I'm now beyond any doubt that you are "very fresh" in the area of "unbalanced wheels"...

Never mind the force parallelograms,.. or static analysis, or dynamics of unbalanced wheels...

Abeling's wheel (as described in his patent) is a NON-WORKING device. As simple as that...
If built, It would stuck soon after being released... Under ideal conditions, it would behave like a pendulum. (I think people were trying to tell you that many times...)

So, where's the usefull work this device can provide?...
 Now, will you try to build something, like a proof of a concept (just for yourself)? At least this time? So you could (maybe?) understand at least a bit of what you are preaching here tiresly??
 >:(

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #1401 on: May 10, 2009, 11:27:36 PM »
@spinner,

You're expressing unsubstantiated opinions ("force parallelograms,.. or static analysis, or dynamics of unbalanced wheels..." is just blabber to sound scientific) while I'm providing rigorous scientific proof. As can be seen, I wasn't initially convinced but lately came to realize the proof is simpler than I realized. This was a process on my side. Abeling's is a working device in principle. How it can be turned into a practically working model still remains to be seen. That's why we need tools to guide us through this and your posting hardly contributes anything towards that goal.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #1402 on: May 10, 2009, 11:30:37 PM »
To prove theoretically that this is a perpetuum mobile is much more important that trying to build it. Because most building efforts most certainly will turn out negative which may lead many to conclude it's just not possible which isn't the case.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #1403 on: May 10, 2009, 11:48:54 PM »
@All,

Writing your own program is the best way to go in this analysis because in this way you have the control over what's being calculated. We're quite lucky, I should say, because in what needs to be programmed there's no need for numerical solving of differential equations, getting into instabilities and such. What we need is something plain and simple -- determining the lengths of lines and their product, summing up such products and the most involved, finding the tangent to a curve. All this is a trivial matter for someone who's doing programming on a regular basis. I'll do it eventually but it will take me some time to find out the details about script programming in AutoCAD (programming is not what I do), so I thought someone who knows how to do that might wanna jump right in and shorten the process.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #1403 on: May 10, 2009, 11:48:54 PM »
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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #1404 on: May 10, 2009, 11:57:42 PM »
@spinner,
You're expressing unsubstantiated opinions ("force parallelograms,.. or static analysis, or dynamics of unbalanced wheels..." is just blabber to sound scientific)...
Yeah, sure. I only dream about me sounding "scientific" (on a forum like this?).... ;D
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...while I'm providing rigorous scientific proof.
Rigorous scientific proof? Where???

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As can be seen, I wasn't initially convinced but lately came to realize the proof is simpler than I realized. This was a process on my side. Abeling's is a working device in principle.
Abeling's wheel is a working device in principle? Could be, depends what kind of principle do you have in mind.
For me, the theoretical(dreamed) maximum for the SJ's "device" is a "perpetual motion of the third kind" - which I am most certainly not interested in. Hey, you can have it just for yourself!
A single unit will (allegedly) provide power to 17000 homes... Made of glass, of course.

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How it can be turned into a practically working model still remains to be seen. That's why we need tools to guide us through this and your posting hardly contributes anything towards that goal.
Tools are fine. If one knows how to use them. You can, for instance, use (or abuse) your physics simulation programs and methods as much as you wish. Good luck! 


Yes, I know my posts are not very welcomed here, so I am trying to keep them at minimum...
But, from time to time, I just cannot resist... Sorry.

Surely you don't really think that skeptics are the main obstacle towards reaching the "OverUnity"?

Cheers!

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #1405 on: May 11, 2009, 12:02:52 AM »
@spinner, chaos theory software cannot be found, do you care to write such a program?

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #1405 on: May 11, 2009, 12:02:52 AM »
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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #1406 on: May 11, 2009, 12:13:11 AM »
@spinner,

There are already numerous posts with the mentioned rigorous proof. No need to repeat it once again.

As for resisting from time to time, you'll need to restrain from posting when you don't contribute anything. Unless you just enjoy posting because you like to see your own text posted in a forum. That may be slightly annoying for some, you know. That hooks up with the abuse problem. Not only can you abuse your simulation program but you can abuse a discussion by constantly nagging about something you can't quite figure out yourself.


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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #1407 on: May 11, 2009, 12:15:54 AM »
@spinner,

You're expressing unsubstantiated opinions ("force parallelograms,.. or static analysis, or dynamics of unbalanced wheels..." is just blabber to sound scientific) while I'm providing rigorous scientific proof. As can be seen, I wasn't initially convinced but lately came to realize the proof is simpler than I realized. This was a process on my side. Abeling's is a working device in principle. How it can be turned into a practically working model still remains to be seen. That's why we need tools to guide us through this and your posting hardly contributes anything towards that goal.

This is vintage Omnibus!

He did the same thing with the SMOT where he provided incontrovertible proof (beyond a shadow of a doubt, so he said) that the SMOT is an overunity device. Anyone who disagreed with him got flamed - and how! It got so bad in the end that Stefan had to step in to calm the waves.

To give him credit, he is much more restrained in his choice of words these days.

Nevertheless the approach is still the same. All he has done is to turn his attention from the SMOT to this Abeling bullshit.

Anyone with a grasp of simple mechanics can see that Abeling is talking crap. No mathematical manipulation is going to change this.

Hans von Lieven

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #1408 on: May 11, 2009, 12:29:18 AM »
@Hans, ur killing dusty's build, the thing looks kick ass, no?

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #1409 on: May 11, 2009, 12:32:15 AM »
The abeling bullshit is no b shit as far as i am concerned, but it all happens past midnite.

 

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