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Author Topic: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant  (Read 666882 times)

Offline Omnibus

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #1335 on: May 09, 2009, 05:28:15 AM »


Mondrasek,

No, it is not just you, but congratulation, I was wondering how long it would take you to understand. You are a good knowledgeable man and you tried your best to past on your knowledge, but it is truly like spitting into a headwind with the constant inane rambling in this case.

Regards, Larry

Congratulations for what?

Reality of perpetuum mobile has already been proven beyond doubt theoretically. What remains now is to see it as a working model. I don't doubt that it has been done in the past but many fall for the propaganda and repeat its mantra that it hasn't been done before. That's just propaganda. It has and that can be confirmed at once theoretically.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #1336 on: May 09, 2009, 05:29:17 AM »
Go @Dusty. You're a winner.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #1337 on: May 09, 2009, 07:04:11 AM »
Notice, a pendulum under ideal conditions isn't a self-starter at every position of its bob. It isn't a perpetuum mobile. For a device such as the one we're discussing to be a perpetuum mobile the mass must be off center at all positions of the wheel making it always a self-starter. Such self-starter won't work only due to poor engineering.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #1338 on: May 09, 2009, 11:31:56 AM »
Wonderful work Dusty!
Do secure that frame though, just in case it works as advertised :-)

About Andy's motor. Interesting to learn about that, and how it didn't work.
Was it ever established WHY it didn't work? I'm sure friction wasn't the hold-up? Or could magnets pose hidden difficulties?

My variation to this design would be with a pivot on the rod, just inside the most outer diameter. It would allow the weight to advance and lag in the (yet to be determined) appropriate places. Copying Abeling's weight path and its vectors, if so desired, or even improve upon it (flatter through 12-2:00, straighter down?).

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #1339 on: May 09, 2009, 11:50:23 AM »
Now I have the frame finished and the wheels mounted.  Next I need to build all the new dumbells and build the tracks.  I'm going to try and design a track system using steel instead of the plywood.  All this work will take me about a week to finish.

I took all the best of the best of the smaller wheel and am putting all that into this newer bigger design.  If it eventually works, well great, but if it doesn't I'll rebuild and try again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzaf_mmsUak

Dusty

Dusty, you are a sparkling diamond my friend, a sparkling diamond.

Wow.

AZ

man-o-man what a happy camper I would be if I had your workshop, skills & materials. Now I dream on... May I live in your shed?  ;D

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #1340 on: May 09, 2009, 03:58:22 PM »
@All,

In case anyone would like to create a template from points off of Fig 4 of the patent, please see the attachments. A spreadsheet is displayed first with the points scaled off of Fig 4. The two drawing were made using the points. The excel data set is last. Just change the 610 (MM) in blue to whatever radius you wish.

I know Fig 4 is not perfect, but it is as close as you can get to what the inventor proposed. I had to adjust it slightly to get the outer circle within a fortieth of an inch. The guiding stand is a non-symmetrical oval according to Fig 4. Print Fig 4 and trace the oval if you wish to confirm.

Notice the smooth inward change to center in the lower to middle left and the explosive outward change in the upper left on the last column of the spreadsheet.

If only one set of weights were used with this setup then only momentum could get you thru the upper left to receive the needed CW rotational impact at the end of the acceleration phase. It seems that more than one set would be required to add additional leverage and momentum.

Regards, Larry 

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #1341 on: May 09, 2009, 05:10:09 PM »
Very Nice - Thanks LarryC

Maybe you could expand the template by looking at the "Angle of Attack"...especially from 14.0 to 15.5 it have a dramatic change in angle.

ruggero

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #1342 on: May 09, 2009, 07:16:55 PM »
@All,

In case anyone would like to create a template from points off of Fig 4 of the patent, please see the attachments. A spreadsheet is displayed first with the points scaled off of Fig 4. The two drawing were made using the points. The excel data set is last. Just change the 610 (MM) in blue to whatever radius you wish.

I know Fig 4 is not perfect, but it is as close as you can get to what the inventor proposed. I had to adjust it slightly to get the outer circle within a fortieth of an inch. The guiding stand is a non-symmetrical oval according to Fig 4. Print Fig 4 and trace the oval if you wish to confirm.

Notice the smooth inward change to center in the lower to middle left and the explosive outward change in the upper left on the last column of the spreadsheet.

If only one set of weights were used with this setup then only momentum could get you thru the upper left to receive the needed CW rotational impact at the end of the acceleration phase. It seems that more than one set would be required to add additional leverage and momentum.

Regards, Larry

Outstanding!

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #1343 on: May 09, 2009, 08:17:42 PM »
I love to see the results off Dusty's new model..

I have become a bit sceptic, after fiddling around with my own model.

The picture is from the "equilibrium" position..I doubt if more weights do make a change...

I have an tilted avi, but it practically only shows the wheel returning to its "steady state"

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #1344 on: May 09, 2009, 08:26:23 PM »
@eisenficker2000,

Good job. Never mind skepticism, if that's engineered correctly it should work (friction is the culprit). Let's get some data to see how the center of mass is positioned vs. the axle -- what are the weights of your parts, diameter of wheel etc.? Emotions are not friends of objective research.

EDIT: Also, place all 8 weights. It isn't to be assumed they play no role.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #1345 on: May 09, 2009, 08:51:31 PM »
Wonderful work Eisenficker!

Now that I see it, I wonder if the top ramp's final  "hump back" needs to be that tall at all. After the initial acceleraration, would the weight not find the end of the slot from there?
I of course don't know how your replication works, but might that hump be in the way of full rotation? Never hurts to ask or try...

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Also, if nothing else works, consider widening the slots to allow the weight to truly freely roll up the bottom ramp. And if that's not is, perhaps have the bottom start even higher up.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #1346 on: May 09, 2009, 10:27:38 PM »
No, it isn't. If that were the case then even a balanced wheel would be a perpetuum mobile but it isn't.

A balanced wheel once put in motion will spin forever if there is no force acting against it. ie. in an ideal or perfect system.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #1347 on: May 09, 2009, 10:56:00 PM »
@ Omnibus: the brass weights are 20mm diameter with 3mm silver steel axles and weigh each 27 grams. The wheel itself weighs 108 grams and has a diameter of 160mm.

@Cloxxki the slots are wider then the 3 mm axle of the "Diabolo" weights. The weights rotate and are pushed/rolled outside by that. Yes there is friction, but as there is no load on the wheel, it is free running, it should be overcome.

I enclose the drawings off my replication as (zipped) dxf. The wheel is small and easy to replicate. I used 5 mm PVC sheet, but plywood could also be used.

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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #1348 on: May 09, 2009, 11:22:42 PM »
whens dis guy gonna show dis thing?


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Re: Sjack Abeling Gravity Wheel and the Worlds first Weight Power Plant
« Reply #1349 on: May 09, 2009, 11:24:43 PM »
I love to see the results off Dusty's new model..

I have become a bit sceptic, after fiddling around with my own model.

The picture is from the "equilibrium" position..I doubt if more weights do make a change...

I have an tilted avi, but it practically only shows the wheel returning to its "steady state"

nice wrk mate, lookin gd

Alex

 

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