Author Topic: Steven Marks Tube Power Supply (Read 35286 times)

wattsup · « **on:** March 31, 2009, 07:38:50 AM »

@All

I have been requested by @otto to start this new thread with the above title and to include his following schematic drawing. For those that are starting to do some testing with tubes, this will be a thread to both expand and post your ideas in relation to the workings of the TPU. Thanks @otto.

wattsup

otto · « **Reply #1 on:** March 31, 2009, 08:07:43 AM »

Hello all,

@wattsup

thanks a lot.

Steven Marks words about how to build a tube power supply:

"I have found that the best trick you can do is to run a 0,01 orange drop ( I didnt understand this until I googled orange drop caps) across the high voltage output from the xmer (transformer) first thing, then run your high voltage through a SS full wave rectifier into a 100 microfarad or so electrolytic cap with low ESR (??) and another 0,01 in paralel, the first before you hit the plates of the tube rectifier which are wired together.
Oh, run the tube output into another 100 microfarad and run a 0,25 poly in...
Only parallel good stuff comes out...."

There is maybe more but I hope I showed you the most important.

The shematic showes you how I understand his words. OK, maybe the anodes are connected together but its not the point.

Do you see something strange in this schematic?? No?? Of course something is "wrong".

We are with this tube rectifying a already rectified voltage. THIS MAKES NO SENCE:

Why would SM do this??

THE RECTIFIER TUBE IS NOT USED TO RECTIFY ANYTHING!!

This tube IS the connection between the surrounding aether and the TPU. And if you want a working TPU you have to build the tube power supply as he said.

I want to say that I maybe failed a little bit or a lot with my drawing. Its to see and try.

Otto

Mannix · « **Reply #2 on:** March 31, 2009, 08:47:43 AM »

To perform "magic" on the electrons

otto · « **Reply #3 on:** March 31, 2009, 09:01:27 AM »

Hello all,

@Mannix

yes!! The magic is in the plate capacitor 10nF and the cathode capacitor 250nF in connection with this fantastic 5U4 tube!!!

I suppose that a certain voltage (500V - 0 - 500V ??) they will do something special. Just a guess,ha,ha. Or not??

Now its totally and finally clear why nobody had success!!

SM, forgive us, we didnt listen and read your words!!!

Otto

Antimon · « **Reply #4 on:** March 31, 2009, 12:27:39 PM »

Quote from: otto on March 31, 2009, 08:07:43 AM

This tube IS the connection between the surrounding aether and the TPU. And if you want a working TPU you have to build the tube power supply as he said.

And why does it work with solid state controllers too?

A.

Mannix · « **Reply #5 on:** March 31, 2009, 12:37:32 PM »

because the inventor said so

otto · « **Reply #6 on:** March 31, 2009, 12:58:37 PM »

Hello all,

yes, Im also thinking how SM made this with SS but I have first to see the magic with my tubes so I can really understand how and why.

Now, lets think what we know:

the TPU output has sinewaves with kicks on top of them.

This means we need kicks and sine waves in our TPUs. The kicks are made in our well known manner with MOSFETs.
Now the sines: when I connect 1 end of my high voltage to the copper core then I have the needed sine waves and depending on the frequencies used I have the needed TPU output but still no "magic" to say so.

As always Im in a big trouble. My heating transformer has a 6,3V heating and the 5U4 needs only 5V. The next is that we MAYBE need 500V - 0 - 500V as the plate voltage and my transformer delivers me only 300V - 0 - 300V.

Any ideas? Dont say that I should surch in junkyards because this is impossible.

A hand made transformer? Yeeeees, but money, money, money.....ha,ha.

Otto

wattsup · « **Reply #7 on:** March 31, 2009, 01:47:50 PM »

@otto

I am putting a photo of an .01 orange drop cap. I did not know they were called this but must say I have been using them for the last 2 months with my FTPU after I blew a few small lytics. They make a good pop. lol
The photo came from here;
http://guitarpartsresource.com/electrical_capsorange.htm

Also, here is a pdf on Low ESR (equivalent series resistance) capacitors.
http://www.illinoiscapacitor.com/uploads/papers_application/A0A0A86888CE4C0591627D18FF09455A.pdf

otto · « **Reply #8 on:** March 31, 2009, 01:56:05 PM »

Hello all,

@wattsup

thanks.

I can only say that Im happy to share my work because maybe, just maybe, someone of you will have success. As posted before, I dont have the needed transformer and about caps with low ESR I can only dream!!!

So, people, use my informations and finally start to work.

Showing you my problems I ONLY wanted to say that if you wait for me to do the job it will take a time until I have solved this problems.

Otto

Antimon · « **Reply #9 on:** March 31, 2009, 02:21:38 PM »

Quote from: Mannix on March 31, 2009, 12:37:32 PM

because the inventor said so

Then the tube is not the secret, if it were so, then the solid state device should not work

A.

wings · « **Reply #10 on:** March 31, 2009, 02:53:44 PM »

Quote from: otto on March 31, 2009, 01:56:05 PM

Hello all,

@wattsup

thanks.

I can only say that Im happy to share my work because maybe, just maybe, someone of you will have success. As posted before, I dont have the needed transformer and about caps with low ESR I can only dream!!!

So, people, use my informations and finally start to work.

Showing you my problems I ONLY wanted to say that if you wait for me to do the job it will take a time until I have solved this problems.

Otto

low esr in flash camera

Bruce_TPU · « **Reply #11 on:** March 31, 2009, 02:57:15 PM »

The tube amp starts a chain reaction (catalyst)

The secret is what is taking place in the collectors.

A tube AMP is needed for each frequency. When unit is switched over to all SS, the SS is made to mimic the frequency reproduction of a tube AMP.

Without a tube AMP, actually three of them, you will never see catalyst, even with the right circuit potential and litz, which no one here gets yet, because they won't look at the frequency's journey inside of the loop collector.

Oh, P.S. The secret is not found in HV either. It is found in HOW DIFFERENT frequency's react with one another. Nothing that can't be found with some good research. And then how they react traveling, opposing one another. You can start with GK's Heterodyne thread, CTG Labs transformer experiment, and then go to my thread discussing lightning and then move on the circuit potential, while at the same time, re reading and studying everything SM said! LOL

gyulasun · « **Reply #12 on:** March 31, 2009, 03:06:51 PM »

Quote from: otto on March 31, 2009, 08:07:43 AM

... into a 100 microfarad or so electrolytic cap with low ESR (??) and another 0,01 in paralel,

Hi Otto,

If you question marked the ESR what it may be, then it is the short form of Equivalent Series Resistance of (mainly) electrolytic capacitors. It simply means how lossy they are, low ESR means much less loss i.e. heat would develop inside the body of the capacitor. On the other hand, with low ESR a capacitor can supply higher peak load current than a normal because the lower inner resistance (which is also frequency dependent) is less of the limiting factor.

Electrolytic capacitors with low ESR values normally cost higher than 'normal' electrolytic caps of otherwise same ratings.

There are off-the-shelf ESR tester instruments, here is a home-made-able practical circuit if anyone is more interested: http://members.shaw.ca/swstuff/esrmeter.html

rgds, Gyula

EDIT I noticed wattsup mentioned in the meantime what ESR is, ok.

Grumpy · « **Reply #13 on:** March 31, 2009, 03:32:16 PM »

Quote from: otto on March 31, 2009, 12:58:37 PM

Hello all,

yes, Im also thinking how SM made this with SS but I have first to see the magic with my tubes so I can really understand how and why.

Now, lets think what we know:

the TPU output has sinewaves with kicks on top of them.

This means we need kicks and sine waves in our TPUs. The kicks are made in our well known manner with MOSFETs.
Now the sines: when I connect 1 end of my high voltage to the copper core then I have the needed sine waves and depending on the frequencies used I have the needed TPU output but still no "magic" to say so.

As always Im in a big trouble. My heating transformer has a 6,3V heating and the 5U4 needs only 5V. The next is that we MAYBE need 500V - 0 - 500V as the plate voltage and my transformer delivers me only 300V - 0 - 300V.

Any ideas? Dont say that I should surch in junkyards because this is impossible.

A hand made transformer? Yeeeees, but money, money, money.....ha,ha.

Otto

How do you think the TPU works? What is the basic mechanism that makes it work?

Grumpy · « **Reply #14 on:** March 31, 2009, 03:36:57 PM »

Quote from: Bruce_TPU on March 31, 2009, 02:57:15 PM

...

The secret is what is taking place in the collectors.

...

Oh, P.S. The secret is not found in HV either. It is found in HOW DIFFERENT frequency's react with one another.

...

The "collector" is just a piece of wire shorted by a resistance.

The secret is the effect that HV has on the aether.

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