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Author Topic: Steven Marks Tube Power Supply  (Read 26184 times)

Offline Grumpy

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Re: Steven Marks Tube Power Supply
« Reply #15 on: March 31, 2009, 03:47:00 PM »
It's very easy. You just haveto turn it ON, and it works. :P

Or maybe, but I am not sure:

"X,Y,Z = 20 MHz
A = 60 MHz

TIME IT+PULSE IT+ROTATE IT+COLLECT IT:      Spherical Aether Shock waves"

 8)

Oh yeah!  That's right!   ;D

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Re: Steven Marks Tube Power Supply
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Re: Steven Marks Tube Power Supply
« Reply #16 on: March 31, 2009, 10:04:13 PM »
Tubes present the ION cloud and HV.
Moray states microwatts using copper.

Bolt: 'You can transmit a longitudinal wave through an ion cloud unresisted'.
'To pump scalar its 90 degrees offset to M field so coils are perendicular.'

The loop must made to appear massive. Effective aperture.

SM
"I have designed some amps using MOSFET , etc.
which sound very much like tube amps.
However when I want to design a new amp I always start with tubes and when I get them perfected I move on the MOSFETS.."

The reason is the HARMONICS that a tube amp NATURALLY puts out.  OR a SS built amp that sounds like a tube amp, in other words, has the SAME HARMONIC components.  They have developed some of these now, I have read about them.  But I would still suggest using VHF Triodes for color television, three of them to start with.  Once you understand what is transpiring within the collectors, the creation of hundreds of frequency's, combining to one, you understand why the tubes are needed to build a SM style Power Unit.

"REMEMBER, all of that noise and hash in your solid state amplifier is in the output signal !
Now tell me? What do you think is happening inside the extremely sensitive torrid generator
when you use solid state devices to attempt to create the required precise control frequencies to make catalyst and produce power???
By the way, your Solid State amplifier generates so much noise that if you measure the mains wiring you can see noise from YOUR amplifier actually getting back through the transformer and into the mains input wiring!!!
Understand what perfect frequency is."

That is why Bolt suggested building the ad826 class 'A' amp. I did. I got results. It has excellant 'Signal to noise ratio'.

--giantkiller.

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Re: Steven Marks Tube Power Supply
« Reply #17 on: March 31, 2009, 11:10:46 PM »
SM could have used a tube oscillator of some sort fed through the saturable reactors.  With their high impedance, he probably did not have to worry about directional biasing, as it could not go back through the tube. 

If this is the case, you direct the field and use SS devices.  Of course you would never know this if you had not started with tubes.

Yep.  Damn good reason to start with tubes.


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Re: Steven Marks Tube Power Supply
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Re: Steven Marks Tube Power Supply
« Reply #18 on: April 01, 2009, 07:11:06 AM »
Hello all,

@Grumpy

I started to wright how I see a working TPU but it has no sence because I would need a lot of guessings.

What I want is to start a "race" in my collectors. Do do this I have to measure the lenght of my collectors. I want to tap into this collectors at exact points. In this way have the particles the lowest speed on the start point until they arrive to the 2. point where another frequency is added. This 2 frequencies are then travelling to the 3. point in the collectors where a 3. frequencie is added....when we have a real race in our collectors then we have done a very good job because then we "only" have to use our controls.

I will try to start such a race with 12V from the power supply, then 24V, then with my loved 5U4 tube.
I want first to use 12V because Im learning and I want to see the differencies between 12V, 24V and a tube.

Yesterday I had luck and removed 4 turns from my heating transformer so I have now 5,8V ( without a load) for the heating of my 5U4 tube. This was a f...g job not to damage the other turns of this heating coil.

Otto






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Re: Steven Marks Tube Power Supply - Not to be missed information
« Reply #19 on: April 01, 2009, 01:55:41 PM »

I thought I do a little reseach and see what I can find about tubes.
There are a lot of fad stuff because of marketting of valve amplifiers. Just a lot of hype.
However, I have come across a mine of useful information at:

http://www.clarisonus.com/Archives/

I propose you should copy it all.

Please come back and share any usfull information which might light our path to making the TPU.

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Re: Steven Marks Tube Power Supply - Not to be missed information
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Re: Steven Marks Tube Power Supply
« Reply #20 on: April 01, 2009, 03:25:55 PM »
Hello all,

@Grumpy

I started to wright how I see a working TPU but it has no sence because I would need a lot of guessings.

What I want is to start a "race" in my collectors. Do do this I have to measure the lenght of my collectors. I want to tap into this collectors at exact points. In this way have the particles the lowest speed on the start point until they arrive to the 2. point where another frequency is added. This 2 frequencies are then travelling to the 3. point in the collectors where a 3. frequencie is added....when we have a real race in our collectors then we have done a very good job because then we "only" have to use our controls.

I will try to start such a race with 12V from the power supply, then 24V, then with my loved 5U4 tube.
I want first to use 12V because Im learning and I want to see the differencies between 12V, 24V and a tube.

Yesterday I had luck and removed 4 turns from my heating transformer so I have now 5,8V ( without a load) for the heating of my 5U4 tube. This was a f...g job not to damage the other turns of this heating coil.

Otto

This is just a suggestion, but with a multifrequency TPU, maybe you should start with only one collector and bifilar controls over it and two frequencies.  If you can not find the effect with two, you will never find it with three and if you cannot see the effect on a single collector, you will never see it on three collectors.  So, start with something simple.

Try this little test.  It will help you to understand the aether better and might assist you when tuning.

Fill up a bucket, sink, or tub with water.  A lake is better, if you are near one and it is very calm.

Drop a small object into the center of the container of water.  The object is your pulse.  The ripples of water are the response of the aether to the pulse.  Notice that the initial repsonse is very fast, water may even break free and rise above the surface.  This is the shockwave.  Watch the ripples closely.  The shockwave is followed by smaller waves as the surface of the water oscillates.   This is the aether oscillation that everyone seeks to see in their coils.  If the ripples encounter and object, they flow around, or are reflected by the object.  By tuning the second pulse slightly behind the first pulse, you are catching this shockwave as it reaches the second coil and then you pulse and increase the wave velocity or amplitude or both.  If you miss the initial wavefront, you can still catch one of the smaller waves behind the intial wave.  If you pulse the intial wavefront "dead on", the converted power will be phenomenal, so you tune deliberately off this be a very slight phase angle (which may be translated into a small degree of time).

The reason you can use this configuration (the bifilar wires an two frequencies) is that the pulse excites the aether into a brief oscillation, but this oscillation is preceeded by an initial travelling wave - just like when a transmission line is struck by lightning.  This is also why you can use a variety of switching devices.   You do not have to switch in picoseconds as there is plenty of power in the smaller waves and more than you need in the intitial wavefront.

With three frequencies, you spread the squeezing effect out over a larger area of space and you squeeze more of the hose with each pulse.  It is exaclty like squeezing a hose and this was SMs best clue.

With a single collector, you can only squeeze a certain number of times due to the circumference and pulse requirements. If you connect additional collectors, will the pulse requirements change because the aether is moving?  This probably would not matter that much and the same pulses can be used for each collector, so you can wind the collectors with the same bifilar wires.

In Tesla's initial research, there  is no way his spark gap could have quenched completely at high frequencies.  This would result in a partially conduction between pulses and this is the same as a DC bias.  Now the energy can feedback to the power source and this is probably what destroyed the generator in Colorado, and probably why SM suggested tubes for intial experiments.  I have witnessed this feedback and it is like a clap of lightning without a flash.   So, try biasing the two frequencies with a 100vDC or more and switch the pulses over the top of the DC.  This way you similate the non-quenching gap and there can not be a pulse reversal below the zero line since it is biased above it.

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Re: Steven Marks Tube Power Supply
« Reply #21 on: April 01, 2009, 07:54:07 PM »
   If you want old tube manuals and such, just visit  www.pmillett.com  and at the top is
a link to books in pdf on line. All kinds of stuff there on tubes.

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Re: Steven Marks Tube Power Supply
« Reply #22 on: April 02, 2009, 07:03:50 AM »
Hello all,

@Grumpy

nice post but ....

OK, we are talking about tubes, water and SS.

We drop a object into the water and see the ripples. This are the harmonics of the shockwave. This is OK when I use MOSFETs but not with tubes. When we use tubes the signals are clear without harmonics. So we have only the shockwave, no ripples. Thats perfect!!!
With MOSFETs we see that the signals, kicks, are feeded back into the power supply and the voltage of this power supply rises. Thats bad because this means that the particles are moving forewards AND in the other direction.
Not with tubes. There is no feedback to the power supply. There is only a foreward moving of the particles. Again, thats perfect!!

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Re: Steven Marks Tube Power Supply
« Reply #23 on: April 02, 2009, 12:48:50 PM »
(I do not intend to offend anyone)

All interesting but...there is an already proven solution:  just make use of my TPU 10.7: It does exactly what you are searching :) as offered by dfro time agò.


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« Last Edit: April 02, 2009, 01:10:04 PM by ronotte »

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Re: Steven Marks Tube Power Supply
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Re: Steven Marks Tube Power Supply
« Reply #24 on: April 02, 2009, 03:16:42 PM »
Hello all,

@Grumpy

nice post but ....

OK, we are talking about tubes, water and SS.

We drop a object into the water and see the ripples. This are the harmonics of the shockwave. This is OK when I use MOSFETs but not with tubes. When we use tubes the signals are clear without harmonics. So we have only the shockwave, no ripples. Thats perfect!!!
With MOSFETs we see that the signals, kicks, are feeded back into the power supply and the voltage of this power supply rises. Thats bad because this means that the particles are moving forewards AND in the other direction.
Not with tubes. There is no feedback to the power supply. There is only a foreward moving of the particles. Again, thats perfect!!

Otto

hence the use of the "gatekeeper" circuit with saturable reactors

Ev Gray used a tube diode.

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Re: Steven Marks Tube Power Supply
« Reply #25 on: April 03, 2009, 06:39:25 AM »
Hello all,

@Roberto

I deeply respect your work and knowledge but Im not satisfied anymore to work with Amperes from the power supply to get the coils work.

The ECD worked with 12V/3A or so, to light a bulb.
I made coils that could light a bulb with 24/1A from the power supply.
A time ago I could light a bulb with 300V/0,4A from the power supply.

OK, thats all logic.

Now I want to light a bulb with 10kV or 20kV. Yes, its possible of course.

I also know that we can have a "race" in our coils with any voltage because I had it once. With "race" I mean a runaway. I did it with 12V.

Of course I have now nice and clear signals but I dont care because tubes are...hmmm....totally different.

@Grumpy

a lot of really clever inventors used tubes. Diodes are my favorits or triodes without the gate or without the heating or,or....a lot of combinations.

Otto

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Re: Steven Marks Tube Power Supply
« Reply #26 on: April 03, 2009, 11:02:48 AM »
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All interesting but...there is an already proven solution:  just make use of my TPU 10.7: It does exactly what you are searching :) as offered by dfro time agò.


Roberto

Roberto's tpu 10.7 is very close to the correct design.

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Re: Steven Marks Tube Power Supply
« Reply #27 on: April 03, 2009, 01:07:26 PM »
Well, I think that it is the right time where we have not to change our mind too often. It is my own matured opinion that the 10.7 has been very, very near to one of the many possible solutions. The issue with it, like correctly explicited by my personal friend Otto, has been only with it's current angry design... as it had really shown many of the effects we all have been searching for. NOW THIS IS TO BE CONSIDERED OVER  ;)...thanks to the combined effort of several smart techies working for similar design. This means that soon, just after completion of some interesting work I am doing with another project, I think I will open here a thread where to show the TPU V. 10.7 progress and soliciting your duplication & help.

Big CIAO to all

Roberto

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Re: Steven Marks Tube Power Supply
« Reply #28 on: April 03, 2009, 01:16:22 PM »
hence the use of the "gatekeeper" circuit with saturable reactors


@Grumpy,
Do you have a link to that circuit?

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Re: Steven Marks Tube Power Supply
« Reply #29 on: April 03, 2009, 01:57:40 PM »
Well, I think that it is the right time where we have not to change our mind too often. It is my own matured opinion that the 10.7 has been very, very near to one of the many possible solutions. The issue with it, like correctly explicited by my personal friend Otto, has been only with it's current angry design... as it had really shown many of the effects we all have been searching for. NOW THIS IS TO BE CONSIDERED OVER  ;)...thanks to the combined effort of several smart techies working for similar design. This means that soon, just after completion of some interesting work I am doing with another project, I think I will open here a thread where to show the TPU V. 10.7 progress and soliciting your duplication & help.

Big CIAO to all

Roberto

@ronotte

Did you form an idea of why the 10.7 wanted to run at 22kHz?

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