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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #480 on: July 12, 2006, 04:42:20 AM »
I don't really want to keep defending myself here .. there is no other motive than to participate, I am sorry if you interpret it as anything other than that. If my level of understanding is incomplete or off the beaten track then just ignore the post, however i would prefer clear information as you have been good enough to offer. I have consumed a lot of information over the years now and I am not exaggerating, I have read many technical articles and many esoteric articles and I am attempting to take a wholistic approach to the matter. Ok I can see how it may infuriate you that i may not be smack on with conventional terminology, and I also dont see myself as Kosol device devoutee either. I am not an expert in any particular field, though neither were tesla or any other innovators. What i do have a very good track record on is trend perception and preciptence. I have a very good knack for finding needles in the haystack. Call me lucky. I am purely putting effort in and expressing my thoughts.

I do understand what capacitance is and what diodes and resistors do within a circuit. I also understand that much of the community is at odds with the roles they play using differring interpretations of electricity. I dont argue that quotes such as splitting the negative or the true direction of electrical flow are either correct or incorrect.

There is no hidden agenda here, please accept that as the truth.

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #480 on: July 12, 2006, 04:42:20 AM »

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« Reply #481 on: July 12, 2006, 04:57:06 AM »
I dont think i tried to say that there was no capacitance, I think i stated that there is inherently a natural capacitor built into the system and that that should be enough and more likely to be much faster at switching (maybe under the right phase conditions) and that it is more a matter of tuning the mass and frequency within the system. The digital analog analogy was maybe a poor way to illustrate what i was trying to communicate. I think what i really meant was that there are features/qualities in a valve that get lost onces translated into digital equivalents and taking a step back, that there is a natural capacitor within the circuit that we may be ignoring and not making use off as we see a more tangible result using a contructed one.

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #482 on: July 12, 2006, 05:40:32 AM »
Here is a valid question.

How much energy crosses into the circuit reliably each time you initiate a spark ?

My thoughts were that environmental conditions would make this a highly unrealiable or repeatable factor in the system. I did not try to negate its purpose within the system. Though having thought about this from a quantum point of view, lets say that this too is already happening when taking the example of the hydrogen atom and how the electron state is described when it seemingly disappears and manifests as 2 seperate spin quarks one acheving a higher state of energy level and the other a lower state. Maybe the waterfall type flow/effect that we are attempting to initiate here using the spark could be inherent as well.

Does a river flow because we decide to push water down the hill or force the water up into the clouds to be taken to the mountain reservoir, or do we simply place a water wheel in the river ?

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« Reply #483 on: July 12, 2006, 06:13:05 AM »
This is an interesting sub-harmonic effect:

http://www.world-science.net/othernews/060706_violin.htm


Yes, Great article.

Can certainly see how it applies to this forum. I was kind of thinking in these terms when discussing swtiching etc and how anomolous effect can be created within a finely tuned system. Take for example that plucking the string essentially creates the most obvious effect of setting in motion a simple wave though as described in the artice she gently applies pressure to a harmonic point on the string(enough pressure to allow the initial wave to continue to propogate and the secondary wave or harmonic as they describe to be added) hence causing the anomolous third effect of the subharmonic to become apparent through phase cancellation/conjugation. This waves shape may not sound like any particular instrument either i suspect.  It would be very interesting to if we could find the total input and output energy values as well.. she may just be a human zpe machine .. hehehe :P

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« Reply #484 on: July 12, 2006, 09:19:52 AM »
Hi all,

Links to explain maybe how Tesla, Moray and Mark get the power gain.

http://www.energyscience.org.uk/le/Le27/Berlin.htm

Aspden proposes energy gain from concentric capacitor.  Mark TPU has similar form.
Capacitor plates could be on inside and outside edges?

http://www.energyscience.org.uk/le/Le27/Notes.html

This second link of his notes explains anomalous gain of power when concentric capacitor is negatively pulsed on the discharge cycle.  read all of the notes as different explanations are given that may strike a chord within and give us a clue on how to design our own device.

Here are some quotes:

Now, in this brief note, which I admit I present as possibly only of passing interest, I only wish to draw attention to a feature of the Piggin thesis that I find curious as it may have some bearing upon the claim I am making in presenting that BERLIN LECTURE. Remember that in that Lecture I am suggesting that the aether can import energy anomalously into a concentric cylindrical capacitor. Critics will ask for evidence in support, so I feel obliged to point to anything that can help in this quest.

So all I intend to present here is a copy of page 105 from Dr. Piggin's thesis, which introduces his Fig. 49, and couple this with a quotation concerning that Fig. 49 that appears on page 100 of the thesis. I leave others who may read this to infer what they may, but say further that in his experiment Piggin applies an electrical pulse to charge the capacitor and follows this by an opposite polarity pulse to force its rapid discharge, after which, for some mysterious reason, that capacitor begins to recharge of its own accord. Can the inertial energy of the aether that I discuss in the BERLIN LECTURE be feeding in by a sub-microsecond delay?
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To put this in perspective, if this capacitor energy escalation theme is a valid proposition, one can begin to contemplate a practical application based on the above 50 kW power output from a pair of 1 nanofarad capacitors. Such a capacitor using air as dielectric would need an electrode separation of the order of 1 cm to withstand the 25,000 volt charge. If it were to comprise two concentric cylinders, one having an internal diameter of 20 cm and the other an external diameter of 19 cm, and an overall length of 50 cm, then its capacitance would be 2.2 nanofarad and two such capacitors would only take up a fraction of the space assigned to the engine compartment of an ordinary automobile. Yet the potential power rating, based on that 2.2 nanofarad value would be in excess of 100 kW, which is an acceptable level for such an application. The equipment needed to generate a 25 kV capacitor priming voltage, taken together with a standard electrical car battery to feed in the initial charge of the capacitors plus the inductor/transformer units which form the resonant circuit and provide a lower voltage transformer output need be no larger in volume than the capacitors. One is then left with the need for an electric motor that can provide the mechanical drive for the automobile, this being standard technology but the greater weight factor in terms of drive power generated and so the primary design criterion that could limit vehicle performance.

One can, however, be sure that if the new technology implied can meet the requirements of powering an automobile, it can be even more advantageous in large scale electric power generation for domestic and industrial use as well as in ship propulsion.

Accordingly, the scientific principle involved warrants the necessary research to verify or disprove what is suggested and, if viable, ascertain such criteria as may impose limitations on performance.

[H. ASPDEN: 17th March 2002]

Maybe this is a piece of the puzzle and how these devices work?

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #484 on: July 12, 2006, 09:19:52 AM »
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« Reply #485 on: July 12, 2006, 05:14:13 PM »
Just a thought to consider here. If according to the experiments performed in this video http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-721789270445596549&q=tesla Tesla was working with longitudinal waves not transverse waves which to me means that the current form of induction or coupling in a standard transformer only applies to the well known transverse wave. A little more on the waves: http://www.kettering.edu/~drussell/Demos/waves/wavemotion.html. If we study the new transformer Tesla spoke of you will notice that the design is opposite to that of a standard transformer in that it is loosely coupled and the secondary coil is one wire in width but tall. The experiments I did last night involved using an air core coil to sniff or feel around the thick primary coil. <see cmnet.ca/projects under high voltage for the test apparatus  > What I found was when the coil was parallel or inline to the core as with standard transformers, I could sense ~ .02 ma, if the coil was at a 90 degrees to the core a reading of .5 ma was shown. Adjusting the spark gap from a crackling sound to a hissing sound showed up to 1ma. “I know its not much but it’s far more than that produced with a regular spark and if the spark gap is closed there is nothing.”  As well the core is wrapped with finner gauge wire one width of wire except at the far right end where I rapped back a few mm. I found that there was arching between the raps. I thought about this all night and in my sleep I was wrapping coils in my dreams. My next experiment is to change the design of my primary <thick> coil to accommodate better propagation of longitudinal waves, more finding and studying of Tesla's new transformer. If anyone has a design in mind please share :) My thought is that we need to treat longitudinal waves different than those of our current understanding and that hitting the copper with a sudden jolt produces a wave but not the same wave as electrons traveling a rap of wire. 
By the way criticism is like a failed experiment you always come away with new knowledge.
 
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« Reply #486 on: July 12, 2006, 06:30:15 PM »
Here is a valid question.

How much energy crosses into the circuit reliably each time you initiate a spark ?

I don?t know if this question is for me but just so everyone knows my parameters I am using a 6 volt car coil driven by a 12v motorcycle battery that has a condenser to help protect the points, which is pulsed by using a small motor to spin a cam that operates a set of points <radio shack micro switch > The motor is driven by a hobby train power supply that allows me to change the speed that the SPDT micro switch is switched, the knob width of the cam sets the pulse on time in correlation to the speed of rotation. You ask why not use an npn transistor? Because the transistor can not provide a true on off pulse due to its inherent curve in base voltage over output, and I keep frying them. My coil is pulling +/- 1 amp at roughly +/- 7hz, very clean on off on a scope to the ms. The spark gap consists of 2 brass rods lathed to a point, I found both electrostatic and magnetic properties when using brass and only brass produced both. The wattage, well I haven?t begun to take those measurements until I see higher gain in the new Tesla transformer. But I think a static generator would be a better source, or if I could get that dynamo Tesla was using. But to prove the theory I will stick with my current source which produces the voltage type I need.

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« Reply #487 on: July 12, 2006, 11:31:03 PM »
What we need to remember here is that SM's device is not an "ether" device. Although ether may be involved somewhere, it gains it's power via a current gain by collecting and multiplying kicks. The kicks are identified by a mechanical jump caused by the induced magnetic field interacting with the earth's magnetic field(remember the page out of the book, and the jumper cables experiment, which I was able to do), as kicks occur in the bailing wire segments successively, and the current moves around the outside of the toroid, this mechanical force causes the gyroscopic effect, and rotating magnetic field, it is a MECHANICAL FORCE moving around the outside of the device, this is why it's bound together so tightly. It would likely unravel itself if it were not. As with any motion, it tends to like to stay in motion. This is also why you see the little tidbits of a conversation between Mannix and SM regarding using it as a motive drive system of some sort.

Quote from: SM
In regard to your query about the pulse DC conversion and the potential use of the coil to provide motive force:
The multiple frequencies traveling around the coils are of too high a frequency to provide for any motive effort.

If it were an ether device, it would have no heating problems. All accounts I've read of Tesla's and Gray's work, have indicated that it runs cool. To get back to some basics, and a clearer focus, perhaps we should go back and re-read some pre-page 45 stuff. As we tend to get off the known path after a while around here.

@Dean

I was not talking about using the spark gap for any kind of permanent mode of accomplishing anything in a finished device.
Just as a method of introducing a quick jump of current in wire with a sharp rise time, in order to measure kicks.
We can wind some coils to do this, or simply work with some wire.

A system that would use a spark gap as part of it's operation would be more related to a tesla device, or defenitely a Gray device, his conversion unit was a spark gap surrounded by a mesh, and a resistor on the other side of the gap. 
« Last Edit: July 13, 2006, 12:03:48 AM by gn0stik »

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #488 on: July 13, 2006, 07:30:21 AM »
Hi gnostik,

I assume the first part of your latest post was in response to my post about Aspden.
You missed the point completely.

Here is a scholarly work on how the power of the initial kicks is amplified, whether those kicks come from a magnet or the aether or whatever.
If you negatively pulse a discharging capacitor, it rebounds with gained energy from the aether, so the theory
says.

In all my reading, this is the first time this has been explained so eloquently and simple.  So, when it's time to experiment, instead of just pulsing  dc, you pulse with a positive and then a negative in time with the frequency of the circuit.  Maybe this is the control mechanism of the SM device.  By just varying the pulse width, you control gain.  It is interesting this Piggin paper was in 1983. about the same time SM started as I recall.

A self-resonate coil of wire would also be a cylinder capacitor and subject to Aspden's theory.  Although, later in his notes, he thinks parallel capacitors would also work.

I take issue with your statement that there is a mechanical force moving around the outside the device.  This implies mass and inertia.  What is going on is a cogging effect with the magnetic field of the earth and the rotating fields of the device.

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« Reply #488 on: July 13, 2006, 07:30:21 AM »
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« Reply #489 on: July 13, 2006, 04:39:27 PM »
No I was not repsonding to you tish. You can take issue with it if you like, but go back and read, and re-read all of Mannix/SM's remarks and the hints they were dropping, you'll see these kicks definitely have a mechanical component.. The mechanical force is just an easy to see indicator. The gyroscopic effect that is demonstrated is the result of thousands of those "jumper cable" experiments on a small scale. Remember, they said your training will not help you with this, you will have to drop all your preconceptions. I agree with you to a degree that it's a "cogging effect", but not as you simply state it. If it's simply a cogging effect, we should be able to see the same reaction by tying a magnet to a string and swinging it over our heads. The fact is, without some kind of amplification, the earth's magnetic field is not strong enough to cause too much drag at all. Least of all no visible effects. Something else is happening here.

Something happens in ALL wire when current is suddenly sent down it. The book was simply explaining why filaments fail over a period of time. It was explaining that this kick causes micro fissures in the surface of the material which eventually causes it to break. Find a lightbulub with a loose filament, you know the little springy kind. Flash it really quick. Watch the filament, what does it do? Why do lightbulbs always burn out when you first turn them on?

Let's use some conventional analogies to talk about "electron" flow. When electrons flow down a wire is it a bunch of particles all freely zipping down there at the speed of light, completely unencumbered? Sure, for a very short time, after that, it's more like those little pendulum office toys where one ball hits a line of balls and the end ball shoots off to repeat the process. Wow, mass and Inertia! Is there not inertia there? Do electrons not have mass? But initially when they are all struggling to become ordered in that first short time frame (microsecond? picosecond?), they are all pushing and shoving like a bunch of highschool football players trying get a good place in the lunch line.

The kick always happens, in all wire, "when a current is first caused to flow" in it. SM has noticed, that something special is happening here. The earth's magnetic field should not be strong enough to cause this kind of interaction, but yet it does seem to. So why does a small magnetic field in a wire react so strongly to the earth's magnetic field?

This is all I'm focusing on, I was not responding specifically to you. Is the energy gain caused by ether? Perhaps. But that comes when the current is caused to stop flowing abruptly at the peak of the kick ;)

By the way, do you know what happens when current is cut off abruptly? Voltage increases to compensate. And it increases dramatically, in order to create it's own path. Is this the cause of his increase? Who knows. But a CURRENT component is needed to keep the kicks going. We do know that.

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« Reply #490 on: July 13, 2006, 05:21:34 PM »
Some updates on my experiments. As I posted before the same spark setup same kicks. This time I changed the configuration of the coil to document differences. Currently I am using a ferrite rod about 6” * ½“, one end wrapped 6 times with heavy gauge wire and the rest wrapped with finer mag wire. When the spark gap is firing just right not really sparking but hissing, very small gap with magnets very close to the gap, I get 1ma when I diode one side of the secondary an I can light a 9watt florescent light about 50%. When I point the copper wire at an electroscope the leaves separate, only when I point the wire at the electroscope pickup, not if I put the wire beside it. The compass moves back and forth with the pulses not just one way as in a typical electromagnet. When I remove the capacitors there is no effect regardless of how I set the spark gap. When I replace the core with a steel rod same dimensions there is nothing, no voltage nothing. Going back now to the ferrite core I wrapped another rap around the outside of my secondary coil. Get this, there was no increase in the output if I connected the 2 together to form a double rap coil, there was less ma. Also I noticed the second rap on my secondary almost seem to fight with the first rap of the secondary. From there I connected a small separate coil to my milliamp gauge and moved the coil from the edge of the primary to the end of the secondary. Amps were strong at the end closest to the primary and dropped off as I moved to the end of the secondary. I then used the same coil and connected it to my oscilloscope, the volts closet to the primary was 65 on an AC wave, the wave was at +- 2.6MHZ as I moved the coil towards the end of the secondary the volts rose to 110 the frequency remained. Tonight I want to change the secondary windings to a smaller gauge of wire to see what difference this makes. Conclusion: The amps seem to pile up at the primary side and the volts seem to increase latterly or down the length of the secondary. I know what you are thinking … but overlapping wraps on the secondary produce no better results and I noticed that when the secondary was double wrapped with tape between the layers there was arching between the layers. One more thing my high voltage coil is drawing 200ma but when the gap is just right and the secondary is producing max amps the input drops to about 175 ma.

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #491 on: July 13, 2006, 05:47:08 PM »
Hi cOmster,
it is hard to follow, what you are doing, if you post no schematics diagram of your circuit...
How much input power do you feed your circuit, when you can get the 9 Watts fluorescent bulb
to light about half of the full brightness ?
Thanks.

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« Reply #492 on: July 13, 2006, 06:33:51 PM »
Ok it's nothing fancy. But here is a fast drawing. The part after the HV coil is by Tesla's Specs.

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« Reply #493 on: July 13, 2006, 06:51:11 PM »
Possible enhancement:  Consider using a power oscillator to replace the rotating cam switch.  It will provide a constant source of switching.  They work quite well into a standard power transformer.  (Or just consider using a small power inverter that goes into a cigarette lighter and use output on your coil and spark gap circuit). 

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« Reply #494 on: July 13, 2006, 07:12:45 PM »
Possible enhancement:  Consider using a power oscillator to replace the rotating cam switch.  It will provide a constant source of switching.  They work quite well into a standard power transformer.  (Or just consider using a small power inverter that goes into a cigarette lighter and use output on your coil and spark gap circuit). 


Ah yes I understand what you are saying. I did a lot of testing on that side of the circuit and found that using a cmos to drive the unit could not provide the sudden, violent drop to 0 in voltage. Now if a power oscillator or cmos setup is watched on the oscilloscope at high frequency there is a curve to the on off pulse. Seems no matter what I did, used a 555 timer circuit to drive it or my function generator in combo with a NPN Transistor, I always had a curve in the on off pulse going to the coil, capacitance I know. However using the switch gives a much better pulse with vertical lines and no capacitance. I think Tesla intended this circuit to be driven by a electrostatic generator. Wonder how long it would take me to build an electrostatic generator? I want to try other cores on this setup to see the results. I was surprised the steel rod did nothing. I wonder what copper will do??? 

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