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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #465 on: July 09, 2006, 04:10:58 PM »
the like seem to all follow a very simiar pattern and they are all so believeable till you closely inspect the facts of which the crucial ones are almost always left out and the person is often working through a proxy. this proxy often has their ego fully invested see: ego alert >>The Master Of Magnetics << ego alert "Steven Mark"
Ignorance.
This thread was started by Mannix, an ASSOCIATE of Mark's, and the word 'Master' appears only in the title, nowhere in the original post or quoted letter. The title is obviously a note of enthusiasm and respect for Mr. Mark's understanding of electromagnetic phenomena, which would ellicit the idea that he is a 'Master' of such, because of what he has done with that understanding. Much like a chess master being able to beat any 'newbies'. Mannix is simply excited about what has been discovered. Proxy? Yes. I believe he explained why he does not post directly.

Anyways, I commend the contributors to this thread and I follow it closely, good work!
It is exciting to see the equations take shape behind the results ;)


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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #465 on: July 09, 2006, 04:10:58 PM »

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« Reply #466 on: July 09, 2006, 06:27:56 PM »
I've highlighted below the techniques this 'Dean' person is using to instill doubt.

He will attempt to draw us into further discussions, under the guise of wanting 'to believe' or 'prove it to me' to waste time and also so he can use the pattern of selecting a subset of information, making a logical fallacy, and drawing a conclusion that instills doubt.

I suggest any further posts we simply reply by pointing back to this posting
which clearly demonstrates his modus operandi.

The only convincing part of the demonstration would be the television example however, this may easily have been hoaxed, their is really no way to show that the eample did anything other than close a circuit which may have been supplied power from another source. We do not see behind inside or around the television set. The handy vac and drill could easily have been battery operated for those amounts of time.

Powering those lights could have easily been accomplished for those lengths of time with batteries embedded in the cores of the devices. I honestly believe that we may just be being decieved by making a lot of assumptions then accepting a not so credible tv example.
He quotes a small subset of the information available on all the videos/forum.
He then states as fact that only a subset of the information he has given is the only credible information.
He then goes on to show how his ONE example could be faked. And then draws the INCORRECT conclusion that if you doubt the TV example, you should seriously consider that you are being decieved. He is doing the logical equivalent of "All fish live underwater therefore everything underwater must be a fish.". He fails to mention the video demonstration of the flame like discharge from the large coil.

The flame discharge showing vaporisation of metal with intense white arcing light requires HIGH FREQUENCY, HIGH VOLTAGE and HIGH CURRENT. This is a FACT. This clearly indicates that HIGH POWER is available.

You forgot his most glaring issue. The fact he says that those lights or the handi vac or drill could easily be powered by batteries for such a short period of time.

Please find me an array of batteries that small that could power those devices. I encourage you to find me an array of batteries that could power even one of those lightbulbs that would fit in such a small package as the tpu model he is demonstrating there. You obviously have NO experience with electronics or power requirements for AC powered electrical devices. You hear that loud raspy wind when he's running the drill? Those are it's brushes. This has a powerful AC motor in it. It's not like a makita 18 volt cordless. Theres much more power in it. Lets not forget the TV was running the whole time. While the drill was running, and while the vac was running. And the light bulbs, each of those was at the minimum 15 watts.

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #467 on: July 09, 2006, 07:34:59 PM »
The doubt will persist until a successful replication is made of the TPU device or something like it.  It is only natural and to be expected.  I would suggest that concentration on the technical aspects of replication of the TPU along with experimentation will further the cause and bring us closer to an answer, more than speculations of whether we believe it or not.   

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #467 on: July 09, 2006, 07:34:59 PM »
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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #468 on: July 10, 2006, 03:47:01 AM »
Hey Lindsay, how goes the battle?

Good to hear from you again. I thought perhaps we'd lost you to history.

As far as the switching, your probably right, we might need to use tubes to start with, until we can find the frequencies we need to work with. If we can find the frequencies with a function generator, we can then trim the coils to resonate naturally at those frequencies. I'm thinking this will be the thing that kills us.. We could literally test frequencies for the rest of our lives before finding even one of them. This is much more difficult than safe cracking. Do you have any ideas where we should start? Have we hit on any of the correct frequencies in our research thus far?


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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #469 on: July 10, 2006, 06:58:51 AM »
Okay Lets just skip the options a,b,c... etc  and accept we are all feeing pain in this.

Given the premises put forward as to my understanding of this device, and should I have made an attempt myself to replicate the device with a small degree of success, ie. I am not powering my househld from it. How would I go about proving or disproving that I have suceeded or failed and am not just living too close to a powerful emf source?

Assuming by this point in time you all dont think i am a pot smoking no brain, detractor with an IQ of 130 and no ambition.

What is the testing/validation framework?

Because I dont buy giving an example of two large lamp bases with more than enough room to fit a small  car battery within them, taking this beyond a hobbyist experiment and as a professional excersise how do I proceed?

Should I prepare some kind of shielding from external sources similar to a faraday cage etc..?

Can I extend one more idea (unqualified ofcourse) from my own attempts, that is that if this engery is derived from quantum fluctuations, then the switching mechanism you are pursuing may be inherent in the materials used and the mass ratios (often prescribed to be 1:1) within the components and therefor I am contemplating that a switching unit of the calibre being pursued may either not be in existence or may be just out of reach (present tech).

So thinking outside of the box here ..

a) is the switch inherent in the design/balance of components
b) or a new innovation such as described below

I do remember reviewing a presentation regarding silicon magnetic switching to be developed for new microprocessors, similar to hard disk data technology yet a lot smaller.   

The gates are made from a new compound derived from believe it or not some black sludge/dust byproduct of gold mining that has the amazing ability to be able to magnetise and demagnetise at extremely short intervals. This is not some fanciful idea, given time i am sure i can relocate the video and its a presentation made by a reputable physicist at a reputable forum.


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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #469 on: July 10, 2006, 06:58:51 AM »
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« Reply #470 on: July 10, 2006, 08:01:36 AM »
Another more natural way of creating the switching may be simply inducing a feedback loop in the circuit that has a natural phase cancellation thus opening and closing the loop allowing for the natural capacitance and voltage multiplication to self regulate. I thought this made sense when considering the system based on longitudinal waveforms. This diagram is crude but let me know what you think?

I have 2 small ring magnets wound seperately using a single steel wire and an iron core wound with copper wire.

The mass of the 2 seperate circuits is the same and I have brought into contact a small neodymium magnet to the copper wound iron core. Results .. inconclusive, too small a scale to make any validatable observations, though It did seem to be totally ineffective when the device was not in the upright position.

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This is my interpretation of the system however I have deviated from the Steven Marks device as I considered that the copper winding is around the outside of the circuit, however this may only be an issue of semantics.

I put this forward as I am of the opinion that efforts may be being made on non essential components as often included/excluded in demonstrations and patents for such devices. I also accept this may be an over simplification of the device.


Regards,

Dean McGowan

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« Reply #471 on: July 10, 2006, 04:47:38 PM »
Awesome! welcome aboard Dean. BTW 130 is a bit above average 140 is borderline genius and Einstein is thought to have been somewhere in the 160s.

It seems to me that although ambitous, and perhaps oversimplified, you have attempted to start running before you have started walking. Our first goal is to find kicks and the correct frequencies. Using a spark gap before the coils is probably sufficient in your current set up to get a good rise time in your iron windings to be able to measure kicks. This should also create an elongated induction time in your secondaries as the relax times of the iron windings will be slow.

Once you see kicks, the small(time) but large(power) spikes that occur we have a start. This would be crawling.

As far as what is critical and what is not, the only part of the control circuitry that is critical is the switching. Everything else is, I'm assuming for pulsing the coils. The coil arrangement is critical, and we are relatively sure we have a grip on that. Tao and I have posted some information related to the arrangement of the coils, if you haven't already seen it. I can send you our information that led us to that conclusion if mannix doesn't mind, if you are seriously interested in participating. Although we had a bumpy start, this is productive.

We won't win the boston marathon any time soon, but unfortunately, we don't have the full body of information to work with.

We CAN learn something however. Something we can use toward the final product.

Understand Dean, that we fully realize that we may never get there. However, we are willing to give it a shot, and follow these leads as they may take us to unexpected places, and these concepts DO have merit.

Regards,
Gn0stik.

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #471 on: July 10, 2006, 04:47:38 PM »
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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #472 on: July 10, 2006, 07:55:18 PM »
I'm new to this forum but much read on Bedini devices.

The Bedini / Wagner type energisers in self oscillation mode when matched to their collection coils (Trifilar wound air coil) can drive various loads with an AC or rectified  to DC output. I have recently driven a UK 240v / 60W light bulb on a fully charged 12V pack of high quality / high capacity NICAD batteries for a considerable time in excess of the longest Steven Mark demo which was about 15mins. To be honest, I did not get the bulb to full brightness but this is because I just need to find the right coil configuration which is where I think a good deal of experimentation is required. Its basically a very simple minimum component inverter where the frequency can be altered to tune the system to lowest current and highest lamp brightness.

Its interesting to note that I found that a frequency of around 6KHz gave best power transfer on my simple test coil and of course is above audio range, so the device runs very quiet. I estimate that current draw for full brightness will be well under 10 Amps which can be delivered for the demo period from a small set of batteries that could be hidden within the toroid air coil. My energiser did get very hot on its rather small heatsink, so I'm not surprised that Steven kept checking his device during the demo.

I am not trying to discredit Stevens device, just point out that I think from my simple experiment that contrary to what comes across in the video, it is quite possible to run a 120V light bulb from a small set of quality batteries of the right type.

Hoppy

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #473 on: July 10, 2006, 09:37:25 PM »
When choosing high voltage capacitors, you'll want capacitors that will take the stress of very high voltage rise times.

Check out Polypropylene capacitors. The bright yellow packaging is typical of HV polypropylene capacitors.
These can also be seen in one of the videos of the larger TPU.

http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/71285.pdf

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #473 on: July 10, 2006, 09:37:25 PM »
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« Reply #474 on: July 11, 2006, 02:01:22 AM »
I still have the concern here, to draw an analogy, that capacitors resistor etc.. are digital technoloy compared to analog, in the sense that you may view a capacitor as a means to quantify the effect in a time scale that is observable and hence measurable in the four dimension of space time. ie simply varying the juncture in my simplified diagram of the two circuits would both balance the mass and frequency of the circuit and hence afford tuning of the circuit. Applying the spark gap has merrit though it also is very hard to maintain a specific qualatitive amount of energy across the gap and could be more disruptive than productive in this paradigm.

Regards,

Dean McGowan

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« Reply #475 on: July 11, 2006, 02:20:42 AM »
Another simple observation, and it is often good to remind ourselves of the obvious, is that the only thing that tends to improve the resulting output is scale of the device.

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« Reply #476 on: July 11, 2006, 05:55:56 AM »
I thought I would post a link to this video and image from my lab.
Tesla is right, the capacitor does make a difference in the longitudal waves down the coil from the violent blast. The better I can get the cap to charge and release creating a bigger snap the better the strobe light lights. Here is an image of the setup http://cmnet.ca/projects/maggap.jpg. Here is a video applying violent shocks to 6 raps of house wire. The right side coil is connected to the strobe light. http://cmnet.ca/projects/hvt1.avi.

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When I test the circuit without a capacitor, the spark gap will jump the full distance of the electrodes when the electrodes are at their widest. The strobe light will not light and using a milliamp meter on a separate coil, which is held close to the base of the heavy coil, shows 0 ma. With 2 .05 microfarad 1kv cap in series from a 1940’s radio, the distance between the electrodes has to be about 1-2 mm to get a white spark. The strobe light lights and the amp meter shows .05 ma. As well I used a coil connected to my oscilloscope, placed at 90 deg to the setup coil and could read a 9-10 volt ac wave. I believe with this experiment I may understand what Peter Lindermann described in his presentation with regards to some of Tesla’s work in conduction with Hertz. “Slapping the water with a hand.” One other note: The positive side of the thick coil showed much less to no action but the negative side is where I took the above values. Disconnecting one wire from the strobe light, I could get a 3mm spark that would seem to go into wood, the ends of capacitors  and the end of my finger from that wire with out any shocking affect <such fun :)>.  So perhaps the higher readings with the capacitor was do to the capacitor being a capacitor and holding back until it has some amps behind it sending more amps into the main coil and producing a higher voltage to light the strobe. ???? The pulses were timmed the same.  

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #477 on: July 11, 2006, 03:03:29 PM »
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I still have the concern here, to draw an analogy, that capacitors resistor etc.. are digital technoloy compared to analog, in the sense that you may view a capacitor as a means to quantify the effect in a time scale that is observable and hence measurable in the four dimension of space time. ie simply varying the juncture in my simplified diagram of the two circuits would both balance the mass and frequency of the circuit and hence afford tuning of the circuit. Applying the spark gap has merrit though it also is very hard to maintain a specific qualatitive amount of energy across the gap and could be more disruptive than productive in this paradigm.

Regards,

Dean McGowan

What a load of crap.

Capacitance, inductance and resistance are present in all wires to varying degrees.
By this very fact capacitors, coils and resistors are ANALOG to suggest otherwise is tripe. DIGITAL my arse.
It is the infinite non-step like features of analog circuits that make them so suitable for the task at hand.
One of the reasons why eletron tubes would be far more suitable because they allow far more harmonics to progress around an analog circuit.

You may be able to tune your coils to a particular resonant frequency without an additional capacitor but this doesn't mean there is no capacitance in your circuit. Capacitance introduced by your choice of insulation between layers; distance apart of the turns; diameter of wire; size of coil; choice of former; tension on the wire; precision in winding etc.

It's already well understood that fast rise and fall times along with short impulse times coupled with a circuit that never allows reversal of current (diode operation) are required to generate radiant energy. It is more than clear from Tao's work and confirmation from Steven Mark that this is the direction to take.

A spark gap is a good initial choice because it has the attributes of incredibly fast rise time and fall time, and provides a high voltage diode action, and a switching action. By definition if voltage could be applied instantly to the wire the harmonics would continue on into infinity. High voltage capacitors by definition are able to present large amounts of charge to a wire via an appropriate switch.

It is precisely these very high frequency harmonics that we are after in our coil circuits as it is the interaction of these frequencies that can then be observed and deductions made on the right combination of frequencies to use to achieve the desired result.

You'll note from the comments by Lindsay Mannix that they are looking for appropriate switching mechanisms. Fast rise times are not the problem. It's the fast fall times that is the issue. MOSFETS only go to around 1500V. IGBTs go to much higher voltages but have much lower switching times because their trailing edge keeps going - the current doesn't shut off smoothly.

Like I was saying earlier your purpose here is to waste time, detract and misdirect.







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« Reply #478 on: July 11, 2006, 08:43:25 PM »
to anyone trying to access my site, i'm changing providers and getting a full refund. sorry for being off topic, but this is the 3rd time it's been down in 3 days. I'm not staying with them. it's rediculous. All I need is a full backup out of them, when I can get back in via ftp and then I'm cancelling. rediculous.

no time to read now. later...

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« Reply #479 on: July 11, 2006, 08:54:34 PM »
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I still have the concern here, to draw an analogy, that capacitors resistor etc.. are digital technoloy compared to analog, in the sense that you may view a capacitor as a means to quantify the effect in a time scale that is observable and hence measurable in the four dimension of space time. ie simply varying the juncture in my simplified diagram of the two circuits would both balance the mass and frequency of the circuit and hence afford tuning of the circuit. Applying the spark gap has merrit though it also is very hard to maintain a specific qualatitive amount of energy across the gap and could be more disruptive than productive in this paradigm.

Regards,

Dean McGowan

What a load of crap.


Like I was saying earlier your purpose here is to waste time, detract and misdirect.

Seeing as how he has dropped the negative, I kinda think we should give him a chance. After all he was asking for input on his circuit. And you did give him some which if he tried really hard could take as constructive criticism, and use your input. At least he's winding coils.

I can't say as much.. I've been too damn busy with life to get the right equipment. So there's really no use in me winding coils, as I could not measure the results anyway.

Dean does seem to be a genuine fan of free energy according to his msn profile.

Or maybe your right, perhaps he just likes messing with people's heads.

Dean? What's your motive here?

 

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