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Offline bob.diroto

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« Reply #420 on: July 01, 2006, 08:34:46 PM »
The way Gray did it was to use an electron tube, which is connected to the plus side of a 12/6 V battery, on one side of the spark gap, and the PLUS SIDE of a capacitor on the other side of the spark gap. Then Gray would turn on the electron tube for about 10-50 microseconds and sharply turn it off. Since the electron tube acts like really good diode, BEFORE he pulses the electron tube on and off, it is acting like a diode so the high voltage on the capacitor is seeing NOTHING on the other side of the spark gap. Then when Gray pulses the electron tube the high voltage capacitor, usually at 3000V, sees 12V or 6V(depending on the battery he used) on the other side of the spark gap and then it JUMPS to the other side, right about this time(10-50 microseconds) Gray turns OFF the electron tube and now it is a really good DIODE again, thereby stoping the current in its tracks. Since Gray discharged the 3000V to a POSITIVE VOLTAGE, he there by was creating ELECTROPOSITIVE RADIANT ENERGY, COLD ELECTRICITY. This is why Gray called his process 'splitting the positive'. And Gray would NEVER show anyone his electron tube pulsing circuit, OR his conversion tube!

This circuit very nicely gets round the problem of switching high voltages.

By pulsing the electron tube which is positioned on the 12 volts side of the circuit the electron tube at the time of switching on is only switching 12volts. Switching off whilst at a high voltage is likely to be at a very low current if the resistance in the top of the conversion tube is very high. (Thinking about this, wouldn't you get a large voltage drop across the resistor if it was a large enough resistor ? Therefore the voltage the switch would see at turn off would also be small ? Tao, do you know the answer to this one ?)

I'm aware that current is deemed to flow +ve to -ve but electrons actually drift -ve to +ve. I'd always assumed that the order of components in the tesla magnifying transmitter was:

+ve capacitor -> spark gap -> collection tube/primary etc-> earth/-ve.

However, as Tao pointed out, as the 12v+ve is acting as the -ve for purposes of this circuit, you actually have:

+3000ve capacitor -> collection tube->spark gap-> +12v battery (effective -ve)

I'm wondering whether the conversion tube, in gray's diagram, shouldn't actually be the other way around (rotated 180degrees) ?


Or has it always been the case that for radiant energy you consider the electron flow to determine the order of the components ?






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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #420 on: July 01, 2006, 08:34:46 PM »

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« Reply #421 on: July 01, 2006, 08:47:55 PM »
And SM's device is an Electro-Negative radiant device? Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems Ed's device is a more evolved version of the SM device. They both seem to work on producing energy in a similar way, albeit by different means, similar principles apply. EVG used electromagnets, whereas SM uses the earths magnetic field. The conversion element in Grey's device is what is used to convert from EM-Neg to EM-Pos, splitting the positive, and thereby overcoming the heating, runaway, and danger problems with SM's device. It seems a marriage of these two technologies would be the ultimate free energy device.

My question is do you think that the control circuitry in the patent, and as described by Peter, are applicable to the SM device?

Here are z_p_e's circuits for comparison.
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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #423 on: July 01, 2006, 11:00:02 PM »

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« Reply #424 on: July 02, 2006, 12:29:47 AM »
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This circuit very nicely gets round the problem of switching high voltages.

By pulsing the electron tube which is positioned on the 12 volts side of the circuit the electron tube at the time of switching on is only switching 12volts. Switching off whilst at a high voltage is likely to be at a very low current if the resistance in the top of the conversion tube is very high. (Thinking about this, wouldn't you get a large voltage drop across the resistor if it was a large enough resistor ? Therefore the voltage the switch would see at turn off would also be small ? Tao, do you know the answer to this one ?)


I don't know the answer to this for sure, but that is perhaps why Gray used a block of carbon ;).


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I'm aware that current is deemed to flow +ve to -ve but electrons actually drift -ve to +ve. I'd always assumed that the order of components in the tesla magnifying transmitter was:

+ve capacitor -> spark gap -> collection tube/primary etc-> earth/-ve.

However, as Tao pointed out, as the 12v+ve is acting as the -ve for purposes of this circuit, you actually have:

+3000ve capacitor -> collection tube->spark gap-> +12v battery (effective -ve)

I'm wondering whether the conversion tube, in gray's diagram, shouldn't actually be the other way around (rotated 180degrees) ?


Or has it always been the case that for radiant energy you consider the electron flow to determine the order of the components ?


Look at the image I made below, Tesla's system and Gray's systems are the same.

I just got off the phone with Peter Lindemann. He's doing a talk at the upcoming Tesla Tech in SLC Utah at the end of this month.
He's a very, VERY informative guy.

For research materials he suggested.

The Inventions, Researches, and Writings of Nikola Tesla, which contains Lectures and research by Nikola Tesla. It can be found here:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000EAC7NE/sr=8-2/qid=1151789980/ref=sr_1_2/104-3292845-9583160?ie=UTF8

His book, of course, and The Secrets of Cold War Technology, which can be found on his site.

The Border Lands archives, related to Eric Dollard.

A paper called "On Light and Other High Frequency Phenomenon" By Tesla, which is a chapter in the first book I mentioned, but here is a link to a pdf of the article.

http://ban.junis.ni.ac.yu/Bibl/tesla/tesla_Predavanja/1893_Light_and_Other_HF_Phenomena(Lecture).pdf

What he explained to me, is that splitting the positive is breaking voltage free from current. 

There is an inverse of what happens in a capacitor when it is discharge into a zero impedence wire, and it creates huge amounts of current.

Basically the concept is that when the current in a high impedence inductor collapses, and hence the magnetic field collapses abruptly,  the voltage rises to compensate and create current in the wire because it absolutely HAS to have a path.

Eric Dollard in working with Tesla's principles, discovered that a field effect produced by 1 Ampere CAN be produced by VOLTAGE ALONE!
It takes aproximately 100,000 volts of potential to create the field equivalent to what is produced by 1 amp. This is how over balanced our understanding of electro-magnetism is toward magnetism. And to have 1 volt truly have an equivalence. We'd have to readjust our measurement system entirely. 1 volt should be equal to what is actually considered to be 100,000 volts by todays measurements.

With electricity as it is commonly thought of, as having a component of voltage, and current, voltage is the free part of the equation. Current is actually the breaks in the system. That every conventional electro magnetic motor we have is running with the brakes on so to speak.

Separating the current from the voltage(splitting the positive) is what Telsa did and it is what EV Gray did. Grey did not invent his device. Yes Tao you are correct, HE COPIED IT!, and yes he got his ideas from his buddy at NASA, Tesla's assistant. According to Peter, the reason EG was so closed mouth about his device, is that if anyone more competent than Grey worked on it, he would be swept aside (such was his fear), he even fired his son EV Gray Jr., whom Peter spoke to, who did engineering drawings for him, for asking too many questions about his device.

What Nali2001 posted about logitudinal waves is dead on. That's the key.... At least to Grey's Devices, and perhaps to SM's as well. Perhaps it didn't work from the magnetic field lines of the earth after all.

Also check this out for TEM/LMD stuff. J.L.N did some experiements on this effect.

http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/lmdtem.htm

Also, he says that the effect that grey produced HAS BEEN REPRODUCED.. There have however been problems with the circuits exploding however. Not many people today have much knowlege about electron tubes, and so have tried without success to replace that with a thyristor or SCR, instead of the thyratron(the component #28 you point to above) which is supposed to be there. At least that is my understanding (He talks very fast). But here my friends is the source of the KICKS!!!! The real source. And the science behind them.

I'm half thinking of working on EG's circuit instead simply because there is so much more info on it.

Also Peter told me that the little note at the beginning of his video proved a bit over optimistic. That not any competent EE can produce the Grey device by taking close notes of his video and book. MUCH study is needed.

He also said that it would be OK to call him ANY TIME, regarding clarification, and help on any reproduction attempts. He's an AWESOME guy! very personable, and a treasure trove of knowlege. My head is bursting. I'm sure I only got down a small fraction of what he told me.
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« Reply #425 on: July 02, 2006, 08:13:44 AM »
It is interesting to read about the different devices and how they work.

It appears to me that Tesla and Ed Gray use the spark gap to collect a "moment of excess power" via the spark gap effect and collect it in another device that stores or uses the power.

The SM device would seem to tap into the magnetic field of the earth by using another magnet with iron wire to create a mask field and collects the difference between the fields (about 5khz).  I believe this to be the 'conversion process' that SM talks about in his video.

I think all of these devices are collecting what is termed, 'radiant energy'.  The same energy that Dr. Moray found.  I think that these people have found different methods to collect power from the same source. 

I would favor the SM device overall, because it collects this power on a constant basis, like Dr. Moray's device did.  The SM device and the aerial generator patent have a similar concept of collecting this energy.

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« Reply #426 on: July 02, 2006, 09:23:50 AM »
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You truely can't just take Gray's schematic from Peter and just build it, there is much PRIOR knowledge you must possess to know how to HANDLE the radiant.

As the video points out item 36 in the gray diagram is not just the 'load'.

Gray demonstrated light bulbs glowing in water using the 'cold' electricity', this implies the conversion tube that captures radiant electricity does not 'convert' or 'generate' electrons.

Gray does something in item 36 to convert back to electrons. What is this process ?
Is it just a capacitor ?

Now to what SM is doing:

If the Ether is all around us as an oscillating medium then if you can pulse the ether at right angles to the natural oscillation of the ether then this in theory would create a vortex. If the Ether pulses up-down (i.e. along the line of gravity) then you would need to pulse the Ether left-right. Once you have a vortex of Ether, I imagine all sorts of electromagnetic effects could be captured. This would be the turbine effect. In fact if the either just flowed in one direction ( in the direction of gravity) then a left right oscillation would still create a swirling/turbine effect.

The permanent magnet field must come about because of some interaction with the Ether. The permanent magnet is there to enhance certain effects with the Ether. Perhaps it creates a distortion or stabilises the flow of Ether, or compresses the Ether. Either way the magnet is essential to distorted/concentrate the Ether in a way that the device can then use. Remove the magnet and the Ether is no longer distorted and the voltage starts to drop. Obviously the distortion to the Ether is not understood. So there are times where the natural flow of the Ether is correct for operation of the device WITHOUT THE MAGNET. The device SM cut up wouldn't turn off/on even when he removed the magnet, which is why he cut it up!.

A 'kick' obviously interacts with the Ether. If you generate kicks in two devices on opposite sides of the toroids and apply kicks left-right in an oscillating fashion, you will get a swirling. This is what SM meant when he said consider what happens when you have two spherical field than move in two directions.

If you look at SM first devices where the sides of the toroid are open you can clearly see that it is not toroidally wound coils around the whole device. You can however see what look like 4 coils. On two of these coils he places the magnets. These will be the kick coils operating in left-right oscillations and the other two coils will be pick up coils that pick up the magnetic field generated by swirling Ether.

From this design, you analyse what frequencies of left-right generate the most swirling. Now you can generate a more efficient design because instead of left-right you can pulse in a circle as long as it still uphold the same left-right frequency. And instead of two coils picking up only a small part of the rotating magnetic field, you have a complete toroid picking up the magnetic field. Instead of having two kick coils as you now know the frequency you can utilise beat frequencies from two interacting coils, combined with the correct size of coil, to create 'kicks' going in a circle.

The final design is a very clever hybrid where he utilises exactly the correct frequencies so that he can constructively interfere the frequencies in a transformer to create shorter pulses with higher and higher rise times and fall times and also higher amplitude. The coils are fed with these rectified pulses, in exactly the right place to create the rotation at the correct frequency. IT ALSO TOTALLY HIDES THE METHOD OF OPERATING FROM ELECTRIC CIRCUIT CHARACTERISTICS TO PRECISE PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS.

But here is the great part. SM is not COLLECTING the radiant energy to feed into an external circuit as per gray but is only feeding back the collected pulses to a capacitor to provide power for his pulsing unit.

He only requires DC pulses of short enough duration, fast rise, fast fall time, and sufficiently high voltage so that the wire the pulse is applied to generates a large enough effect to pulse the Ether BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE LARGE ENOUGH TO GENERATE RADIANT ENERGY, just large enough to pulse the Ether. Iron wire, because of relaxation time, enhances the effect.

The key is not to generate radiant energy from the very first pulse. Just big enough to get the swirling going. Once the swirling is going, you can intercept a magnetic field, get traditional current and feed some of this current back to the battery of the pulse generating circuit. I wouldn't mind betting that the swirling enhances the kick effect which eventually gets large enough to capture radiant electricity and it is this that is fed back into the LC resonant circuit via the small toroidal transformers that we can see in each design.











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« Reply #427 on: July 02, 2006, 09:33:29 AM »
The NUMBER ONE THING that shows that Steven is AT LEAST using Tesla's/Gray's processes is the FLAME LIKE DISCHARGE that comes out from Steven's wires when he shorts them in the video, that is NOT NORMAL ARCING, only PROPER RADIANT CAN DO THAT.

No. The flame like discharge is a hall mark of very high frequency, high voltage, high current electricity.
It may also be a hall mark of radiant electricity but it is not exclusive to radiant electricity.


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« Reply #428 on: July 02, 2006, 10:44:49 AM »
Going back to the discussion about wire relaxation time and all that... and I've said this before :)  - It's not got anything to do with stopping the voltage/current/power from getting "all the way down the wire"...   I'm pretty sure it was the fairy tale that mannix posted that started that line of reasoning...  HOWEVER... (with all due respect) Mannix does not know how the device works.  Whatever his theories are... and they might be close to right... but they are still just a guess.
Even so - you shouldn't take a parable so literally.  Especially from a friend of a friend.

Tesla's radiant energy is based on "disruptive discharge" and was based on disrupting the discharge of a spark across a gap.  He was extinguishing the spark.  The whole center was the spark.
So what are we looking at when a spark fires?  A dielectric breakdown caused by an electric field... and THAT translates into TIME.  I bet those numbers look better than relaxation times on wire. :)

Any guesses on what exactly gets isolated when a spark is not allowed to make it to 100 microseconds?

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« Reply #429 on: July 02, 2006, 01:25:21 PM »
This is an interesting thread, I do not know too about the devices you talk but I have designed and tested a electronic high voltage pulse generador. If can be useful for some purposes I can post all information to be built.

Goals:
Max voltage no limit.
The very short switching time and remain constant no matter the max voltage used.
The pulse duration and active cycle can be controlled exactly. 

Drawbacks:
The component numbers increase lineary with the max voltage.
Very low load current.

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« Reply #430 on: July 02, 2006, 01:33:46 PM »
The NUMBER ONE THING that shows that Steven is AT LEAST using Tesla's/Gray's processes is the FLAME LIKE DISCHARGE that comes out from Steven's wires when he shorts them in the video, that is NOT NORMAL ARCING, only PROPER RADIANT CAN DO THAT.

No. The flame like discharge is a hall mark of very high frequency, high voltage, high current electricity.
It may also be a hall mark of radiant electricity but it is not exclusive to radiant electricity.


Is the high frequency usually PURE WHITE? I haven't seen such, so excuse my statement if such is the case. Just from what I have seen, Tesla and Eric Dollard describe the output from the Tesla coils as pure white streamers that have flame like appearances, quite unlike normal high frequency outputs.

Just as a case in point, all those Tesla coils that output the purpleish streamers are NOT TRUE TESLA TRANSMITTERS.
I've used high frequency DC arc welders. They produce EXACTLY the flame of pure white colour if you try to weld too thin a piece of metal. In fact the edges of the flame will turn slightly different colours, depending on the metal vaporised, as the vaporised metal changes state. You can just see the colours when viewing the flame at the end of the energycoil.mpg movie, but the camara is having a hard time dealing with the high brightness of the flame.

It was this movie that convinced me that this TPU device was for real.
That sort of energy should need a BIG power unit!!!

It's fairly frightening really I've had a shock from an arc welder that was current limited.
One second you're in the booth and it appears to you that the next second you are outside of the booth 1 meter away...saying what the hell (actually you say a lot worse than that). The burn lasted weeks.

The guy in the movie doing the demonstration 'flame' is a total nutter (in the nicest possible way) for
a. Not wearing gloves.
b. For holding both contact in his hand. One arc and it's a jolt straight across the chest.

As a warning to all in general.

For those that aren't aware, contrary to hollywood, when you receive an ongoing shock all your muscles tighten stiff. You are not actually flung back. What happens, is you loose awareness (not necessarily consciousness), if you are lucky enough that the tightening of the muscles disconnects you from the source of shock, you stumble backwards, as a standing tightened muscular frame has a balance point that tips you backwards, your body if it can regain control of the muscles will try to keep balance, at some point, your awareness returns. From your own point of view it is an instant of time between the start of the shock and picking yourself off the floor a couple of meters back. Your mind infers that you were blasted backwards at high speed.

If you have a penchant for touching bare wires, a neon test screwdriver is handy as it'll glow to almost any kind of reasonable high potential (100+V) with even a small current behind it, be it AC/DC or high frequency. Second having confirmed that the wire is not live, never first touch with your fingers, use the back of your hand. By using the back of the hand, if there is current on it, that will shock, your fingers will tighten over just air, and almost certainly disconnect you from the shock. Unpleasant but liveable. If you use your fingers, your fingers will involuntarily grasp the cable tighter and you will almost certainly die as there will be no Residual Current Device to break the current.




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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #431 on: July 02, 2006, 01:42:16 PM »
This is an interesting thread, I do not know too about the devices you talk but I have designed and tested a electronic high voltage pulse generador. If can be useful for some purposes I can post all information to be built.

Goals:
Max voltage no limit.
The very short switching time and remain constant no matter the max voltage used.
The pulse duration and active cycle can be controlled exactly. 

Drawbacks:
The component numbers increase lineary with the max voltage.
Very low load current.

Thank you very much Penguin Hood. That would be most appreciated.
Your experience with designing circuits/electronics experience will be very useful.
I might have a couple of other circuit outlines to run past you in the next few weeks.


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« Reply #432 on: July 02, 2006, 05:43:29 PM »
It is interesting to read about the different devices and how they work.

It appears to me that Tesla and Ed Gray use the spark gap to collect a "moment of excess power" via the spark gap effect and collect it in another device that stores or uses the power.

The SM device would seem to tap into the magnetic field of the earth by using another magnet with iron wire to create a mask field and collects the difference between the fields (about 5khz).  I believe this to be the 'conversion process' that SM talks about in his video.

I think all of these devices are collecting what is termed, 'radiant energy'.  The same energy that Dr. Moray found.  I think that these people have found different methods to collect power from the same source. 

I would favor the SM device overall, because it collects this power on a constant basis, like Dr. Moray's device did.  The SM device and the aerial generator patent have a similar concept of collecting this energy.


To elaborate on a hypothesis:

 "It appears to me that Tesla and Ed Gray use the spark gap to collect a "moment of excess power" via the spark gap effect and collect it in another device that stores or uses the power."

A spark when discharged emits frequencies.  Many frequencies across the entire spectrum band, but for an instant.  (Like how you hear static discharge on the AM radio at any frequency).  This frequency discharge must interact with the special frequency that taps into this radiant energy.  (My guess is in the Ultra Violet range of frequency, where I believe that magnetism resides).  The 'radiant energy' piggy backs or is modulated onto the energy of the original spark (similar to how audio on an AM radio carrier travels) and can be split off of the original spark energy and stored or used.  Just a guess, but this is my guess as to how this energy is made available to use or store in a tesla or Ed Gray style device.

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« Reply #433 on: July 02, 2006, 06:10:48 PM »
Additionally, I will go on to say that the aerial generator and the SM device, appear to use the frequency of a local magnet (through the use of iron, or steel wire) to mingle with the magnetic field of the earth. (After conversion of the earth's magnetic field in iron wire, while mixing with that of the local masking magnetic field, resulting in a 5-6khz AC output?).  It appears that the iron/steel wire may have a similar capablity to that of fiber optics.  But it has more to it.  The fiber optics carries the laser light.  The iron wire may carry the magnetic field and frequency. 

If two such wires were placed near each other, one being attached to the local magnet (from N to S pole) and the other iron wire attached at one end of the local magnet and then fed into a toroid with copper windings, cut to frequency of about 5-6khz.  Perhaps this is the essence of the SM device? 

Just something to think about.

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« Reply #434 on: July 02, 2006, 06:44:51 PM »
The previously attached drawing of a possible TPU configuration has expired.  This was an Independence Day special attraction only!  This circuit is for educational purposes only.  :)

Disclaimer:  Warning!  The circuit may be capable of producing hazardous voltages or other safety issues.  Do not build or use the circuit as it is intended for educational purposes only.  If you choose to build or use the circuit or any part thereof, it is completely at your own risk.  The 'possibletpuconfiguration' circuit may or may not work. 

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