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Author Topic: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"  (Read 1063236 times)

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #345 on: June 24, 2006, 02:49:18 PM »
Hi Everyone,

I've been closely following this thread on and though I haven?t been posting, I have been actively working on understanding the device as well as testing some of the principles Steve and others have discussed. At the moment, I have acquired a nice digital oscilloscope, a 400W DC power supply and a function generator that goes into the MHz. Right now I'm making a homemade amplifier circuit to run square and sine waves through a bunch of different coils that I found and made myself to see how they respond.

I am also going to be testing the effect of permanent magnets on these coils. There were many posts on the subject so I thought I would put in my two cents worth. I mentioned this to Lindsay in a private e-mail a while ago but I have been doing research into permanent magnets to find a way to make a running permanent magnet motor. I wrote an article called the "90 Degree Rule Theory" here:

http://www.fdp.nu/free_energy.asp?book=90

In the article, I experimentally show how magnets can produce 'kicks' that are up to 100 times as powerful as the magnet itself when the field is quickly compressed and allowed to 'snap' back at 90 degrees to the pole
face.

I began thinking of how this principle may be employed in the Mark device and then it occurred to me that when he placed the magnet(s) in the device, they seemed to be at 90 degrees to the coils (particularly in his first device). Perhaps the kicks that the coil produce buck against the permanent magnet's field at 90 degrees which causes the magnet to 'kick' back only much much stronger! Keep in mind that this can only work if
the magnet is at 90 degrees to the coil. If it is placed directly on the end of the coil, it won't work. Now, I am still hypothesizing about this. I plan to do some simple experiments to see if this is in fact true but I thought I'd run the idea past you all to see
what you think.

God Bless,
Jason O


Jason,

Very nice work.

From your article:
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Dig into the physics behind the effects. This is where I am currently working. There comes a point where the serious builder needs to acquire a comprehensive understanding of the physics behind magnetic fields. This research is like anything else; you cannot advance it if you don?t know what you are doing. Do your homework.

Amen, Amen, and Amen

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« Reply #346 on: June 24, 2006, 04:22:57 PM »

http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/new/report.htm
On first reading you think they've mistaken collapsing field of an inductor as something special. Then I started reading again... note how they can also see this ringing on the induced 60 hz signal... and later on in the article they appear to be well aware of the collapsing field of an inductor scope signature.

"...The sensitivity of the scope was turned up to inspect the "hum interference" being picked up by the coil and it was noted, that there was a ringing on the induced 60 hz. signal on both the positive and negative portion of the wave form. The ringing started at the point on the waveform, just as the sign wave started to decrease from its maximum rise?time. The ringing was again counted and again found to be 24,080 hz. An audio oscillator was set to 24,080 hz and we attempted to hook it to the coil. Upon approaching the coil with the 600 ohm feed lead, the subject amplitude increased dramatically and was sustained.

Much effort was given to the notion that the current pickup of the coil was due strictly to induction. The coil was placed inside a special magnetic alloy shield, with a resulting increase in the output current. This was just the opposite, of what we might have expected to happen. Many other efforts were made to determine if the coil was deriving the ringing energy from some source of electrical interference. After a couple of hours of effort, no source or other explication was discovered. "



http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/new/milewski.htm

This article is an excellent read

....SuperLight was identified scientifically over 100 years ago when James Clerk Maxwell solved his famous wave equation. This occurred shortly after radio was invented by Nikola Tesla, and theoretical physicists tried to find a mathematical model to explain radio waves. When using positive numbers in Maxwell's Equations this explains radio waves and also all forms of electro?magnetic radiation such as light, radio, TV, microwaves, x?rays, etc. What his equation also explains 100 years ago was SuperLight but because it was the solution that comes from the use of negative numbers, "this second solution" was ignored for over 100 years. Remember when you were taught algebra and were told to ignore imaginary numbers (e.g. The square root of ?1) because they have no meaning in this world. Well, times have changed and now we have a very valid second solution to Maxwell's equation and it is SuperLight.

In the mid 70's a scientist, Dr. William Tiller, at Stanford University took another look at Maxwell's equation and asked; "What does this second solution explain when interpreted in our world."{1}

To understand this second solution, we must first review what the first or positive solution explains. The first solution is as follows: Radio waves leave the antenna and radiate out into space from a point source (the antenna) equally in all directions into space toward infinity traveling at the speed of light. The wave is composed of a large electrical component and a small magnetic component 90 degrees to the electrical component. Thus named, electro?magnetic radiation.

The second solution describes a particle wave of just the opposite structure. It explains that from infinity traveling toward the point source from all directions radiates SuperLight. This new radiation is composed of a large magnetic component and a small electrical component, thus the name, magneto?electric radiation. When the equations are looked at more closely, one finds that "SuperLight" travels at the speed of light squared !   1020 meters per second,   or 10 billion times faster than light.

It has a frequency 10 billion times higher, and has a corresponding, shorter wavelength.   It therefore has a higher energy density.

The question one asks immediately is, "if it is so powerful, how come we do not feel it, or how come it is not detected scientifically?"   Well, the frequency is so high, its wave length so short, (4 x 10?8 nano?meters, or 4 x 10?17 meters), its velocity so fast, that it goes through everything as though the substance was nearly completely transparent (like glass).

We can say the higher frequency is completely penetrating like x?rays, but even more so. More information, regarding the relative size, will be given later.....





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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #347 on: June 24, 2006, 06:18:52 PM »
My belief is that the "kicks" come from the use of iron wire (which develops the beat frequency for the device).  The frequency is set up by the magnets (the signal injector).  Steven said on his second model, that it is just the coils and the interaction between them.  Steven also said that the TPU is a conversion device.  It uses the magnetic field of the earth to generate power through a converter process.
 
Therefore, no electronics or frequency injectors.  No batteries, no signal generators.  Only the control circuit has electronics (the small electronic device in the center of some of his larger devices, (not all).   That would seem to indicate that in order to produce power, the electronic control device is not really needed.   That is why I reference the previous patent on the aerial generator.  It shows a method of using iron wire with the magnets and a zinc plate (perhaps a copper coil could substitute?), which produces power.  I think that the TPU does a similar thing. 

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #347 on: June 24, 2006, 06:18:52 PM »
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« Reply #348 on: June 24, 2006, 10:09:35 PM »
Liberty,

Without the use of a battery and some electronics, how would you propose the initial "kick" can be created? SM has made a concerted effort to convey the message that the kick is very important, and is a result of initial "current flow" in a piece of wire. You have not said it directly, but do you believe that the application of the magnet to the TPU is what initiates or creates the first kick? I feel that the magnet is not there for that purpose. It is there to create an imbalance in the total earth flux flowing in and/or through the toroid.

I am not implying that there are any frequency/signal injectors at all, I am proposing that there is a battery source and this battery source is switched alternately to the 3 "excitor" coils to create very short current pulses in each coil. We are not talking about square waves here, only extremely short pulses. This is what SM has been talking about and emphasizing. Only a short pulse should be required to initiate a kick, so why leave the circuit "ON" for longer than is necessary to produce one? After this, yes, now it is the arrangement of the coils and how they interact with each other that "amplifies" the kick effect to produce useable power on the output coil.

I am sure there are still a few very key elements missing in the information we have to successfully get one of these devices going. Only SM knows however.

Incidentally, there do exist some counter-positive factoids about Steven here: http://zpenergy.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=987
and therein is mention that he has used a battery.

Darren

When you look at the video of the 2nd device (without tape) that has two rings, there does not appear to be room for any electronics(may be a capacitor on board, but not sure because the picture is of such low quality).  He also does not mention any battery or electronic circuit.  He says that it is a conversion device and it has to do with the relationship of the coils to one another.  Coils are very important he said.  So with that in mind, here is a different device that uses iron wire combined with a zinc plate and magnets to develop power.  It is a patent from a long time ago.  But could you see how the magnets (which Steven said, 'sets up the frequency'...) could be used as the input frequency to combine with earth's frequency?  These two frequencies if mixed would effectively lower the extreme frequency of a magnetic field and produce voltage spikes that might be seen in a coil.  This could be the kick that repeats and winds up as long as the magnet is in place?  When the magnet is removed, the voltage winds down as per the video on Steven's first device with bailing wire (iron wire).

Look at the patent, and imagine if you replaced the zinc plate between the horseshoe magnet, with a copper coil such as the TPU device has, would it develop a voltage output, being fed with iron wire?  Also I have attached the aerial generator file below. 

Anyone's idea could be valid or all put together.  At this point it is just a guessing game, until we experiment a little.

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« Reply #349 on: June 25, 2006, 12:32:20 AM »
I went back to watch "coilnew01.avi" to see if it is the video showing the exposed wiring. It does not appear to be the one, however, in it SM states this "...it doesn't contain any batteries capable of generating the amount of electricity that you're going to be witnessing here." That is a direct quote, and to me in other words says that it does contain a battery or batteries, just not one powerful enough to produce the level of output we see in the device.

It should be noted too, that this is his first device he built with bailing wire, and it too has some kind of coil or "something" in the middle of the toroid, in this case on top. This no doubt is an equivalent to the controller parts seen inside the large toroid. There just is too much evidence for me to ignore the distinct probability that there is indeed a battery required for its operation, and not strictly for the controller portion.

Could someone please provide the file name of the video(s) showing the compass spining, the cutting open of the coil, and the bare exposed coiling? It would be much appreciated, as I feel "behind" and not able to contribute much more without having seen them.

Thanks,
Darren

Your quote is true, however, if you go on to listen to what he says later, he says that the device "is very very cheaply put together, no mass circuitry with this stuff, it is just the knowledge of the coils and how they enteract with each other"... 

This is said at the very end of the bailing wire device clip for those of you that wish to listen to it.  But who knows, maybe that means he is still using a battery and a little circuit of some sort???  It's anyone's guess.

As far as the toroid that is in the center of the bailing wire device, it appears to be a copper winding.  I just wonder if it is being fed by the bailing wire (iron wire) that is coiled on the empty wire reel edge that he is using for his device?  Could it be that once the iron wire feeds the copper winding on the core, that the voltage is increased with more windings around the core like an old car spark coil is made?  Just a thought...

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« Reply #349 on: June 25, 2006, 12:32:20 AM »
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« Reply #350 on: June 25, 2006, 01:24:12 AM »
Exactly!

Not a mass of circuitry...again probably implying that there is circuitry, just not complicated circuitry.

For those not "in the know", before any real progress can be made with this device, the question of whether a battery is needed for its operation is fundamental. This is fundamental to successfully duplicating the device, and I am convinced there is one.

Liberty, you mentioned the 2nd video, it sounds like one that I have not seen. Could you please indicate what the file name is for this video clip and where it can be downloaded?

Thanks,
Darren

I'm not sure where the videos are all at, but here are some videos and some pictures.  http://www.overunity.com/stevenmark/

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« Reply #351 on: June 25, 2006, 05:20:40 AM »
I have no idea how you can make any of that out from that picture. It's totally blurry. I watched the video, and it doesn't appear to have any wires running into the corner of the magnet, he Just sets the magnet on there and removes it, to demonstrate it spinning up and down.

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« Reply #352 on: June 25, 2006, 09:56:03 AM »
I posted earlier about Moray needing a ground.  Another article says otherwise.

Link:       http://amasci.com/freenrg/fnrg.html

Which leads to this link:

http://web.archive.org/*/http://www.newphys.se/elektromagnum/physics/KeelyNet/energy/moray1.asc

" What sort  of an apparatus is  Moray's  Radiant  Energy  Device?
    Briefly, it would  appear to be similar to a radio receiving  set  of
    power proportions.

         It is  composed  of  two  coils  of  wire, or inductancies.   It
    contains several condensers, or capacitors, of different sizes.

         There is  a  detector  tube,   or   electronic  valve,  and  two
    oscillator tubes.  Added to this is a "bar of silver  and  a  bar  of
    copper", a starting  device,  and a step down electrical transformer,
    reported to be 1000-to-1, primary to secondary.

         All of this is enclosed in a box  measuring about 30 inches long
    by 16 inches  wide  by  16 inches high.  It weighs about  50  pounds.
    There are no   moving  parts.  Moray  says  there  are  no  dangerous
    radiations surrounding the box when it is in operation.

         Many persons have looked inside  the  box.    Several  have made
    more than a  cursory  examination of its contents -  except  for  the
    detector tube!

         The inductances  are about eight and 10 inches in diameter. They
    are composed of several layers of wire.   The diameter of the wire is
    much smaller than necessary to carry  anything  like  50 kilowatts of
    ordinary commercial electricity.

         Probably, there is a direct relationship between the size of the
    wire and the number of turns of it on each coil.  Further,  it can be
    assumed the distance  separating  the two coils is important, as well
    as the direction in which the coils are wound.

         Moray is silent as to the materials  used  in  his capacitors or
    condensers.   Neither does he tell their capacities.    They  vary in
    size but this is not indicative of capacity!

         If one  part  of  the apparatus is more important than another I
    would conclude it is the tubes or  valves.    Moray will not say much
    about these.   He  admits they do not contain an electrically  heated
    filament whose radiations  provide  the means of carrying currents to
    different parts of the tube and which produce the valve action.

                                    Page 5




         How, then,  is this valve action produced?   Moray does not say.
    I have learned,  from  other  sources,   of   Moray's   purchase   of
    radioactive materials.

         I have  been  informed  by  one  source  that Moray  uses  these
    radioactivities as the "carrying-currents" within his tubes.  Exactly
    what the radioactive materials may be, I have not learned as yet.

         Some say  it  is  a uranium compound; others deny this.  What is
    more, we do not know whether the detector  tube  and  the oscillators
    use the same materials.

         Being cold tubes, it can be assumed they are not  vacuum  tubes.
    However, Moray does  have  vacuum  pumps in his laboratory. The tubes
    may be filled with gas.  But if they are filled with a gas, what gas?

         These tubes, especially the  detector,  seem  to  be the weakest
    links in the chain of parts in the Moray system.  By  far the greater
    number of times  the  demonstration  apparatus has stopped because of
    troubles, it appeared the trouble lay in the detector tube.

         Moray does  not  allow  anyone   to  see  the  detector  tube  -
    apparently the big secret of the device lies there!

         At the same time, the least understood of the device's mysteries
    is the function of the bar of silver and the bar of  copper  set side
    by side.

         Are they "true" copper and silver?  Or are they alloys -possibly
    treated with the  very radiant energy they may help to produce?  Have
    they been transmuted in some way?   Are they only decoys?  Are they a
    special type of   air   condenser?    Are   their  lengths,   widths,
    thicknesses, as well  as  their  distance  apart, important?   All of
    these questions, and many, many more,  flood  into  one's  mind - and
    remain unanswered!

         Early in his experiments Mr. Moray used both an  antenna  and  a
    ground connection.   He  no longer uses either.   This eliminates the
    possibility that he taps either current  from  power  lines  or  from
    radio transmitters.  "

Haven't read the rest of this thread, but seems Moray had more in common with Mark device than I realized.

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #353 on: June 25, 2006, 12:57:19 PM »
Dear Lindsey..could you find out for me what motor this was ..I am looking at building a hybrid. I know its of the topic but would help me.
I found a wonderful 2-stroke gasoline engine that would put out 25 hp on one gallon for 3.5 hours.
Kind regards
Mark

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« Reply #354 on: June 25, 2006, 11:42:42 PM »
Who is performing the experiment in this picture?


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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #355 on: June 26, 2006, 06:42:30 AM »
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/1329559.pdf

One way fluid valve of Tesla. This fluid valve works best when there are large, high frequency impulses imparted to the fluid. I'm wondering whether this device came about by the equivalent for an electrical circuit and if so what form would this take ?

I know a diode works as a one way valve but I'm wondering whether tesla had created another electrical one way valve using some other concept.

Would it be possible to loop round the current in a wire in such a way that the magnetic field generated by the current in the wire would automatically oppose current reversals particularly when dealing with large high voltage impulses ?

For example, take a length of wire, bend it back on itself and then wind a coil around the wire up to the point where the wire was bent and then repeatanother say 2 inches down the wire. End result is a length of wire over which there are turns of coils wound from the same wire ?



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« Reply #356 on: June 26, 2006, 07:37:28 AM »
Who is performing the experiment in this picture?

Given what looks like the copious amounts of iron/steel/metal in the device, it looks like it is before the information given by Steven Mark. As it has been stated that iron cores are definately not used.

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« Reply #357 on: June 26, 2006, 07:58:48 AM »
I've got litz wire which has at least 25 strands. Each individual wire is enamelled.

I've been painstakingly sandpapering the end of each wire in order to remove the enamel and make a connection. Is there a better way of removing the enamel on litz wire ?

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« Reply #358 on: June 26, 2006, 09:08:51 AM »
Bob,
Try a hot soldering iron!
You will be amased!

Lindsay

I have, of course, already tried a hot soldering iron otherwise I wouldn't be using sandpaper!!
I have an 80watt variable power supply weller so plenty of juice their.
I got the wire from an army surplus store a few years ago so possibly has some high temperature coating.

I'll try my gas cooker to burn it off.







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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #359 on: June 26, 2006, 10:15:21 AM »
Bob,
Try a hot soldering iron!
You will be amased!

Lindsay

I have, of course, already tried a hot soldering iron otherwise I wouldn't be using sandpaper!!
I have an 80watt variable power supply weller so plenty of juice their.
I got the wire from an army surplus store a few years ago so possibly has some high temperature coating.

I'll try my gas cooker to burn it off.


You use a lighter and hold the wire in a wet towel so that only the end is burned. After burning that you clean the ends with alcohol and a cotton-wool tip.

perhaps it is also possible to remove the lacquer with acetone!?

 

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