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Offline Elvis Oswald

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #300 on: June 19, 2006, 07:22:58 AM »
There are no moving parts in the device.  The rotating magnetic field is from the current flowing.

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« Reply #300 on: June 19, 2006, 07:22:58 AM »

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #301 on: June 19, 2006, 08:01:17 AM »
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So Bob is just trying to find the gap/method of turning electostatic-type radiant charge into a rotating magnetic field and hence getting the output that Steven gets...

Thank you Tao, exactly!

I for one think that when the penny drops as to what is happening to make this device work most people here will say, including me:
'Oh, I now see how this works now, the problem was I was assuming...'

We need to challenge our assumptions in order to make the leap to a better way of generating electricity, which is where the thought experiment comes in.

Let's say we had 50 kick units around the circumference being driven in turn at 175khz. That's is rotating charge at (175/50)*60 = 210,000 rpm.

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #302 on: June 19, 2006, 12:12:37 PM »
Hi Tao,

That magnetic amp. is interesting, more for the way it uses standard components in a novell way (well, novell to me anyway!). I'm not sure it's specifically relevant to the TPU because the magnification is at the expence of the AC input field. I think too much energy would be wasted in the iron cores ? I wonder what an electrostatic equivalent would look like ?  But you certainly are a gold mine of material, thoughts, knowledge and inspiration! I can't thank you enough! Perhaps this is one for the backburner, the unconscious does a great job of assimilating new material and allowing the relevant to materialise as a thought from midair.

I also have another observation concerning the 'control units'.

Did you notice that all of the components for the control unit are in the center of the large coil BUT two capacitors are placed right next to the coil ? If I was designing this I'd want everything mounted in the center with socket and plugs to all the other connection wires. It would make sense and this appears to be what he was trying to do. Therefore I believe the driving capacitors have to be mounted near the coil because they MUST BE as near as possible to the 'kick units'.

Is this relevant or just an adhoc design anomaly ?



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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #302 on: June 19, 2006, 12:12:37 PM »
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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #303 on: June 19, 2006, 06:04:08 PM »
Well, I for one think you've hit on something here Tao.

Sorry I haven't been paticipating folks, I've been going back and reading, and re-reading the basics.
I think we've gotten off course, we've learned a lot about frequencies, and resonant coils, and believe we could probably collectively built a moray type device or a vta type device. However I'm starting to rethink my position that the Bill Beaty stuff is 100% applicable to SM's TPU.
Some of it is obviously applicable, but I think it was a relatively small amount, and much of it could server to distract us. For this reason, I've taken what we've learned and gone back to the source, Steven Himself. And reading the postings of the people he praised. I think we've lost a considerable resource in offending him. I think it was unavoidable, since in any forum there will be detractors, theres no way for us keep out undesirables. We can only get rid of them once they have shown themselves. The people who are continuing on here, are obviously the dedicated researchers.

Having gone back and re-read all of SM's original posts via Mannix, we have a lot more info than we realize, but I think we need to re focus.
And since Mannix has started to post again, perhaps we can re-kindle that relationship and continue moving on the correct path.

Perhaps we could start a new private thread, that only the really dedicated researchers can particpate in (bob, tao, stephan, liberty, elvis, and myself, and of course Lindsay, I don't intend to overlook anyone). We can gather all of the the information we know is relevant thus far, and the stuff we are reasonable sure is relevant and post it there. This thread is getting a bit long. This would allow us a good brainstorming environment to lay down some facts, free from derision, and negativity..... thoughts? Stephan? all?

Perhaps Mr. Mannix can feel more comfortable posting some of the other information SM sent him in that thread.

I've also been working on building my pulsed em kundel motor variant. Which also explains part of my non participation... I've been a bit distracted. Too many projects. 

Reading through Steven via Mannix's old posts... Something began to trouble me. We've forgotten about some information Steven had given us early on.

From Steven: on page 7

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Let us say that you have a magnetic field perhaps it is only a small permanent magnet. Now, you have a single copper wire twelve inches long. If you move the magnet across the surface of the wire from left to right at a certain speed you create an electron flow which is DC and it has a power potential based on how strong the field is and how fast the magnet if moved. So, if you increase the size of the magnet or the speed it moves you create a larger flow of electrons, larger as in higher voltage or more currant.
Everyone tells us that the earth's magnetic field is measured as being too insignificant to generate any useable power, that is not so.
Let me give you something to think about...  If you had a short wire and you moved a magnet across it you would always have limited potential because the length of wire was so short. OK now what if we increase the length of the wire to many miles in length even with a very weak magnetic field moving across the wire you still have a much greater potential flow of power available.  If we put it into a perspective of power per inch it may be easier to understand.
If you have a small magnetic field moving across a wire twelve inches long it can generate an electron flow equal to lets say one millivolt per inch. If you move the magnet twelve inches at the same speed you get 12 millivolts as you transgress the twelve inches of wire. Understand that I am trying to convey a principal that you can understand for use in the future.
So, you have a wire twelve inches long and you can make 12 millivolts moving a magnet across it. If you have a wire 1000 feet long and you move the same small magnetic field across the length of it you can create much more voltage potential perhaps 12,000 millivolts lets say.
 So, you have managed to generate a significant amount of electric power with a weak magnetic force.
OK, how does this help us? where am I going with this?
Suppose you have 1,000 pieces of wire twelve inches long and you run the same weak magnetic field over them all at the same time..... you get the same flow of electrons.
If the wires are run in series then you will get the 12,000 millivolts etc. If you connect the wires in parallel you will get higher current but lower voltage.  However, the power potential is the same whether you run the wires in series or parallel.
If you know how to find the circuit potential, you tune into the frequency and you have enough short pieces of wire you can convert as much power as you wish in a given space.
    Things are more complex then what I have told you but I am just trying to give you an idea of how the technology works.

So one of these coils is made from many small pieces of conductor, and is in effect many small coils. How does this apply to what you just posted? I believe in effect, what you have is perhaps hundreds of coils arranged in a modified mag-amp.

Look at Schizinger's report in light of this...

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"After the test the inventor cut the toroidally shaped device into segments (though not the controller box located at the center of the device). These samples consisted of an array of circumferentially arranged coils and wires grouped around a core made of a cork like substance."

Circumferentially arranged coils makes a bit more sense now.

it's the "....and wires" part  that irritates the hell out of me.


« Last Edit: June 19, 2006, 07:16:16 PM by gn0stik »

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #304 on: June 19, 2006, 06:11:53 PM »
On Steven Marks second device (without tape on it), he said that it is based on the knowledge of coils and the special interaction between the coils. 

It seems to all go back to bailing wire... with the magnets.

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #304 on: June 19, 2006, 06:11:53 PM »
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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #305 on: June 19, 2006, 08:50:24 PM »
Hi all,

I am new to this forum in writing but I have been reading already and trying to understand the TPU since some month.
First of all I am thanking Steve Mark for sharing his ideas and Lindsay and Stefan for the support.
And I hope the positive inspiration of Tao, Bob, Liberty, gnOstik, elvis, norbert, and others here will not be killed by some faultfinders.

After rereading the posts from Steve Mark send through Lindsay I have tried to replicate the out of phase 5U4 Tube rectifier experiment using a AZ11, but have burned up the filament.  >:(
Such a pity!!  :'(
I will get a new 5U4 and try again soon.

Was the meaning of the little increase of the current (kick) when the electrons where first caused to flow meant as an increase of the filament current or of the plate current? 

By the way I found in my opinion a very good described plan of the hendershot coil:
http://www.svensons.com/energy/hendershot2.html
or check this:
http://quanthomme.free.fr/energielibre/convertisseurs/SPM1.htm unfortunately written in French.

@stefan hartiberlin:

Can you please also add to your “videothek” the video where the big TPU which generates 1kw. becomes cut into pieces?
And the complete video of the early device that is not wrapped with insulating tape that can lit up two 100 watt bulbs?

I think it would be good for all of us to have the “videothek” of the TPU as complete as possible and maybe if somebody has a video which has higher resolution than the ones on the server maybe post it to stefan to replace it there.

Best regards,

Christian

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #306 on: June 19, 2006, 09:03:36 PM »
Sorry the correct link is:

www.svensons.com/Energy/hendershot2.html

Christian

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #306 on: June 19, 2006, 09:03:36 PM »
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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #307 on: June 19, 2006, 09:10:07 PM »
Hi all,

I am new to this forum in writing but I have been reading already and trying to understand the TPU since some month.
First of all I am thanking Steve Mark for sharing his ideas and Lindsay and Stefan for the support.
And I hope the positive inspiration of Tao, Bob, Liberty, gnOstik, elvis, norbert, and others here will not be killed by some faultfinders.

After rereading the posts from Steve Mark send through Lindsay I have tried to replicate the out of phase 5U4 Tube rectifier experiment using a AZ11, but have burned up the filament.  >:(
Such a pity!!  :'(
I will get a new 5U4 and try again soon.

Was the meaning of the little increase of the current (kick) when the electrons where first caused to flow meant as an increase of the filament current or of the plate current? 

By the way I found in my opinion a very good described plan of the hendershot coil:
http://www.svensons.com/energy/hendershot2.html
or check this:
http://quanthomme.free.fr/energielibre/convertisseurs/SPM1.htm unfortunately written in French.

@stefan hartiberlin:

Can you please also add to your ?videothek? the video where the big TPU which generates 1kw. becomes cut into pieces?
And the complete video of the early device that is not wrapped with insulating tape that can lit up two 100 watt bulbs?

I think it would be good for all of us to have the ?videothek? of the TPU as complete as possible and maybe if somebody has a video which has higher resolution than the ones on the server maybe post it to stefan to replace it there.

Best regards,

Christian


Hi Christian, welcome aboard. I have to respect someone who reads and understands, and even experiments a little before posting anything. Sorry to hear about your tube frying. Those things are expensive these days. I'm unsure as to whether the increased current is in respect to the plate or the filament as well. I assume it meant the filament. If we had the old RCA manual that would be great. Unfortunately that was probably lost to time.

I assume this experiment from mannix's second post in this thread is what you are talking about.
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I originally got the idea from electron circuits which use vacuum rectifiers like the 5U4 GB or 5AR4 etc.  The plate has a high voltage potential with lots of useable power available. You cant get to it or use it for anything without applying a heating voltage to the cathode or what is the cathode potential of the tube. So, you put in a small voltage of 5 volts AC 60 Hz which heats up the cathode and welcomes the electron stream from the plate. Or actually the other way around, but not important for this example of my thoughts. Now the high voltage power goes through the cathode and travels through the coils of the 5 volt transformer along with the 5 volt AC. if the plate voltage is not rectified then it is AC with a potential 60 Hz frequency. That combines with the 5 volt 60 Hz in the coil of the htr transformer and generally amounts to nothing. In fact the power of the 5 volt transformer amounts to nothing. It is an insignificant power supply except when the two transformers get slightly out of phase with each other, or when they are connected in reverse of one another.Then you can measure all kinds of things going on. You can generate all kinds of hash and multiple frequencies, and I do mean all kinds. What I measured during this process was very interesting. All these frequencies occasionally met at the same time with a much larger kick at the output.

I've been going back and reading steven's(mannix's) old posts as well, and although we've found some new relavent information, I think in our excitement, we have forgotten old tips that steven gave us early on. I'm still going back through to see how any of the old information relates to what we've found recently.

Brainstorming can be good and bad in this way. It can help you find answers but also make you overconfident.

@stephan, what happened to all the material you used to keep on your web site? Seemed to all disappear after january or so.. You used to have a whole section in your /coil directory.

Sad that it's gone.
« Last Edit: June 19, 2006, 09:20:21 PM by gn0stik »

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #308 on: June 20, 2006, 02:27:06 PM »
Hi all,

I am new to this forum in writing but I have been reading already and trying to understand the TPU since some month.
First of all I am thanking Steve Mark for sharing his ideas and Lindsay and Stefan for the support.
And I hope the positive inspiration of Tao, Bob, Liberty, gnOstik, elvis, norbert, and others here will not be killed by some faultfinders.

After rereading the posts from Steve Mark send through Lindsay I have tried to replicate the out of phase 5U4 Tube rectifier experiment using a AZ11, but have burned up the filament.  >:(
Such a pity!!  :'(
I will get a new 5U4 and try again soon.

Was the meaning of the little increase of the current (kick) when the electrons where first caused to flow meant as an increase of the filament current or of the plate current? 

By the way I found in my opinion a very good described plan of the hendershot coil:
http://www.svensons.com/energy/hendershot2.html
or check this:
http://quanthomme.free.fr/energielibre/convertisseurs/SPM1.htm unfortunately written in French.

@stefan hartiberlin:

Can you please also add to your ?videothek? the video where the big TPU which generates 1kw. becomes cut into pieces?
And the complete video of the early device that is not wrapped with insulating tape that can lit up two 100 watt bulbs?

I think it would be good for all of us to have the ?videothek? of the TPU as complete as possible and maybe if somebody has a video which has higher resolution than the ones on the server maybe post it to stefan to replace it there.

Best regards,

Christian


I probably get some people upset by my posts but they are the truth as I understand it.  I am certain the device is real but I'm upset that they are held-back. 

A country is starving, someone develops a way to produce massive amounts of crops but the food industry buys it up so as to continue making enormous profits and having people starve.  The developer of the idea is happy, the stock holders are happy but the other 6 billion people have been forced to suffer and are in a way indirectly slaves to the food industry.  We consider this ok?  That's the same thing that happens in the free energy movement and you defend it.....

Rich

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« Reply #308 on: June 20, 2006, 02:27:06 PM »
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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #309 on: June 20, 2006, 06:39:29 PM »
Hi all,

I am new to this forum in writing but I have been reading already and trying to understand the TPU since some month.
First of all I am thanking Steve Mark for sharing his ideas and Lindsay and Stefan for the support.
And I hope the positive inspiration of Tao, Bob, Liberty, gnOstik, elvis, norbert, and others here will not be killed by some faultfinders.

After rereading the posts from Steve Mark send through Lindsay I have tried to replicate the out of phase 5U4 Tube rectifier experiment using a AZ11, but have burned up the filament.  >:(
Such a pity!!  :'(
I will get a new 5U4 and try again soon.

Was the meaning of the little increase of the current (kick) when the electrons where first caused to flow meant as an increase of the filament current or of the plate current? 

By the way I found in my opinion a very good described plan of the hendershot coil:
http://www.svensons.com/energy/hendershot2.html
or check this:
http://quanthomme.free.fr/energielibre/convertisseurs/SPM1.htm unfortunately written in French.

@stefan hartiberlin:

Can you please also add to your ?videothek? the video where the big TPU which generates 1kw. becomes cut into pieces?
And the complete video of the early device that is not wrapped with insulating tape that can lit up two 100 watt bulbs?

I think it would be good for all of us to have the ?videothek? of the TPU as complete as possible and maybe if somebody has a video which has higher resolution than the ones on the server maybe post it to stefan to replace it there.

Best regards,

Christian


I probably get some people upset by my posts but they are the truth as I understand it.  I am certain the device is real but I'm upset that they are held-back. 

A country is starving, someone develops a way to produce massive amounts of crops but the food industry buys it up so as to continue making enormous profits and having people starve.  The developer of the idea is happy, the stock holders are happy but the other 6 billion people have been forced to suffer and are in a way indirectly slaves to the food industry.  We consider this ok?  That's the same thing that happens in the free energy movement and you defend it.....

Rich

I have to disagree man. Nobody's out there killing people that are inventing ways to feed the hungry. I think that's an unfair comparison. If you give someone food, there's not much of a chance that they will misuse it and kill themselves or others accidentally, or start a fire, or worse.. They just eat it. There is a danger factor here.

Another aspect is propagation and understanding of the technology. If you just give someone donated food from a farm, they eat for a little while.. But if you give them chickens and teach them how to raise them, they have eggs and meat forever, and fertilizer for their fields. And they can teach others how to raise chickens. That's all Steven is trying to accomplish.

An argument can be made that the need is too great. Just give us the damn chickens and we'll figure out how to raise them ourselves. Well when hungry people get ahold of chickens what do they do? They eat them right away. Nothing is left to raise. No fertilizer, no eggs... just bones and feathers left over.

If Steven just gave us this technology without showing how it works, what lasting legacy would he have given us? After the websites that have instruction on them are shut down, and the devices taken from us, what do we have? Can we rebuild then? Probably not, as we didn't know how it worked to begin with.

As frustrating as it is, Steven is doing the right thing. I just hope he doesn't stay away from the many for the misgivings of the few. Although this place has it's faults (what group doesn't) this is probably one of the safest places to share it. We are all believers here. Albeit, sometimes misguided ones.


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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #310 on: June 20, 2006, 07:40:51 PM »
Hi all,

my intention was only to say that I hope that the positive inspiration of the believers here who are checking out how the devices works and how it could be replicated should not disappear!

@ gnOstik:

the content of the "video sever" is now hosted at http://www.overunity.com/stevenmark/

Where the new video is also stored.

best regards,

Christian

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #310 on: June 20, 2006, 07:40:51 PM »
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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #311 on: June 20, 2006, 07:54:33 PM »
I knew about that directory, I just thought there was more on stephan's old site. I guess he just moved it all.

Cool!

Regards.

gn0stik

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #312 on: June 21, 2006, 01:37:56 AM »
Well I've got plenty of wire, and can work with high voltage safely (if I had a decent power supply).

Can someone send me a link to a decent power supply that will not break the bank? I'm also looking for some test equipment. If anyone has any for sale, that would be ok too.

Personally, I could care less about the ridicule. I've already shut a few up, with evidence of existing technology. I'm sure they still think i'm crazy, but they still drink beer with me, and that's all that matters. :)

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #313 on: June 21, 2006, 02:14:38 AM »
I am wondering how many people have at the very least a cro on hand , have lots of wire around ,can safely work with high voltage,and are ready to wind many different coils ,most or all of which will be non functional.

Dual channel 35Mhz scope, 3Mhz function generator, and a whole bunch of non-working coils!!

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #314 on: June 21, 2006, 02:48:52 AM »
I work with electronic techs every day and have a 4" thick binder of patents and claimed free energy devices plus the SM video that I show fairly regular.  Ridicule??? I could care less.  But I don't like having to reinvent the wheel.  And yes I have been experiementing on his device before he ever starting giving notes.  I've built two different versions but nothing worked.  My energy is currently directed at the Kromrey generator.

Concerning being taught how it works.....that's BS.  Did your teacher throw a box of numbers at you and say figure it out?  That's teaching???

Rich

 

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