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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #285 on: June 18, 2006, 05:41:29 PM »
One of the things I didn't understand with Steven Mark's use of baling wire as a coil was:

How could you make a working coil using baling wire when baling wire isn't insulated ?

The answer is because you are not making a working coil!!

The baling wire is used as an easy way to make a tube of metal of variable diameter and variable height. Therefore the wire used must be uninsulated and conductive. In other words it's used to make a collector tube. Once the working dimensions are known a copper tube or steel tube of the right dimensions could be used.

I realised this as I was trying to make different sizes of copper tube to try in my kick units. I was thinking this is going to be extremely tedious cutting all these different sizes of copper pipe. What I need is a way of easily making variable sized tubes....

Basically Steven Mark was cutting the wire to reduce the height of his collector pipe until he found a point where the most charge was collected.

Comments please...

If it's being used as the collector, then I agree that's probably the case. It could also simply be a loose spiral around the outside of the primary coil, for testing. Of course in a collector plate you want surface area, so the ideal item would be a tube, like one of those toroidal cake pans or something, separated by rubber grommets.

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #286 on: June 18, 2006, 05:52:17 PM »
Perhaps if the iron wire (bailing wire) was being used in a fashion like is shown on the basic version (that uses two horseshoe magnets) on the right side of these plans for the aerial generator.  It shows two horseshoe magnets with iron wire connected to them.  This is a picture from the Aerial Generator patent that shows how the iron wire was used to produce power.

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #287 on: June 18, 2006, 06:10:17 PM »
I narrowed the picture down to this picture.  The figure to the right of the horseshoe setup is the picture of the overvoltage relay construction.

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« Reply #287 on: June 18, 2006, 06:10:17 PM »
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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #288 on: June 19, 2006, 02:28:08 AM »
Hi all,

Perhaps there may also be some relevance in the descriptions in this thread that in my opinion ( not from Steven)  could be at play here . If you recall Steven saying that tesla discovered that potentials  that are seperate from each other can coexist  in the same wire. I quote from Steven("I tried it and he is right").
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1165.msg9016/topicseen.html#msg9016
In particular the diagram that is animated with a paint brush shows several aspects of what may be relevant in Stevens invention.
Lindsay Mannix

animated diagram is here:
http://artpad.art.com/gallery/?ivwok27luvg

"Potentials that are separate from each other can coexist".
From what I understand, if you set up a standing wave in a wire, you get different voltages along the wire depending on how far from a node you are ? I think this is why comms lines are terminated so that the line appears as an infinite length of wire to the signal. To prevent unwanted reflection of the signal back onto the comms line.

Looking at the paintbrush picture I guess the correlation is that there are opposing signals creating a moving standing wave ?


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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #289 on: June 19, 2006, 02:46:17 AM »
One of the things I didn't understand with Steven Mark's use of baling wire as a coil was:

How could you make a working coil using baling wire when baling wire isn't insulated ?

The answer is because you are not making a working coil!!

The baling wire is used as an easy way to make a tube of metal of variable diameter and variable height. Therefore the wire used must be uninsulated and conductive. In other words it's used to make a collector tube. Once the working dimensions are known a copper tube or steel tube of the right dimensions could be used.

I realised this as I was trying to make different sizes of copper tube to try in my kick units. I was thinking this is going to be extremely tedious cutting all these different sizes of copper pipe. What I need is a way of easily making variable sized tubes....

Basically Steven Mark was cutting the wire to reduce the height of his collector pipe until he found a point where the most charge was collected.

Comments please...

Perhaps this is why, when Steven cut open his largest device for the examiner, that there was seen a cork-like material.

IF he used the baling wire as a sort of 'tube' with which he surrounded his KICK GENERATING WIRE then cork material would be the best way to keep this 'tube' at a specific distance from the primary.

From Roland Schinzinger's report on the TPU:
"After the test the inventor cut the toroidally shaped device into segments (though not the controller box located at the center of the device). These samples consisted of an array of circumferentially arranged coils and wires grouped around a core made of a cork like substance."


Tao, I think you are spot on with this observation about the cork. I hadn't thought that the distance from the kick wire to the collector could be significant. I'll add this to my list of parameters to try out to determine the best geometry for the kick unit.

I have to say that Roland Schinzinger's description couldn't be more vague if he tried!!

"These samples consisted of an array of circumferentially arranged coils and wires grouped around a core made of a cork like substance."

Dissecting his statement:

Array - does this mean  "A rectangular arrangement of quantities in rows and columns, as in a matrix." This is the mathematical defn found in a dictionary. Or does it just mean 'many' or 'large number'.

circumferentially arranged coils
- if it's a coil of uninsulated iron wire then this would read "circumferentially arranged tubes". Note there is no mention of orientation or these 'coils/tubes', which is an obvious thing to include, so by ommission, the orientation of the 'coils/tubes' is significant.

And the stated physical orientation between these 'coils', wires and cork is totally ambiguous.

Unfortunately work is snoballing at the moment, not least because I've been putting off completing some projects in order to research the Steven Mark device!

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« Reply #289 on: June 19, 2006, 02:46:17 AM »
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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #290 on: June 19, 2006, 03:23:39 AM »
Thought experiment:

I think most people would agree that moving charges causes a magnetic field to appear.

I think most people would also agree that capacitors store charge.

If you mount say 10 large fully charged 2000volt capacitors on the outside of the cylinder and rotate the cylinder at high speed what would be the effect given that you now have 'moving charges'.

1. A rotating magnetic field would be created ?
2. Each charge would create it's own magnetic field which would partially cancel out ?
4. If you set up an LC circuit with capacitors so that charges are moving around whilst rotating would this cause a larger magnetic field ?
5. Would the voltage of the capacitors reduce if a magnetic field is created ?
6. If a magnetic field is created would there be back torque on the motor rotating the cylinder and if so what is pushing against what to create the back torque ?
7. Would doubling the voltage double the magnetic field ?
8. If you could separate the plates of the capacitor further apart would this create a larger magnetic field ?

If the collected kicks on the Steven Mark device are 'electron like' ie. only one charge, if you time the kicks so that the position of the kicks around the circumference move round in a circle, would the result be a moving magnetic field ?





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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #291 on: June 19, 2006, 04:06:49 AM »
 :P  I don't want to sound like a smartass... but moving capacitors around is not going to create a "moving magnetic field."
If that's what you want... then move magnets.  Of course then you would have a regular generator.
And setting up a LC circuit would create a pulsing magnetic field in the core of the inductor... so??  If you put another coil around it - then you change the whole resonance equation.

And to TAO... the magnet must induce the initial current.  *IF* you can multiply power... it doesn't matter how small a current you start with, eh??  So no need for pre-charged caps or batteries.
The removal of the magnet would cause reverse current to flow (reverse of the original first current) in whatever coils it excited initially.  You might want to figure out how that could stop the device... it makes sense that's what's happening.

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #292 on: June 19, 2006, 04:15:15 AM »
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We all already know the secret to Steven's device!, (his entire GAIN MECHANISM)

All we need figure out now is what the magnets were used for and from where did he get his initial power source to start the generation of the FIRST KICKS.
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Hi Tao, I'd appreciate if you could write down exactly how you believe Steven Mark's device works.

The first kick is from a battery. You could go ahead on this assumption in order to test your theory on how the device operates.

Permanent Magnets:

Brain dump to trigger ideas:

1. Creates a magnetic field.
2. Magnetic fields cause charges to move.
3. Operation of reed switch.
4. Contribute to another magnetic field.
5. Diverge existing magnetic field.
6. Cancel an existing magnetic field.
7. Source of freq. of magnetism. Acts like a crystal ?
8. Source of magnetic 'particles' ??
9. As part of the current circuit ? Perhaps kick currents interact differently when passed through a magnet.
10. To magnetically saturate a magnetic material such as iron.
11. To somehow alter the freq. on an LC circuit to be much nearer to the required resonant frequency. Don't know how this would be achieved in practice !
12. Nothing. To misdirect people as to operation of device.
13. To improve kick magnitude ?
14. To improve collector tube collecting ability ?
15. To attract kick energy to the collector tube ? (Perhaps kick energy is attracted to a particular pole ?)
16. What does a permanent magnet do if placed next to a capacitor ? Nothing ? Never tried this - no idea.
17. Does a capacitor interact with a permanent magnetic field differently when charged with 'kick' energy ?

Tao, I think you're going to have to start building, if you haven't already, to find out what the magnets are for....





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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #293 on: June 19, 2006, 04:40:51 AM »
:P  I don't want to sound like a smartass... but moving capacitors around is not going to create a "moving magnetic field."

Elvis, would you like to back that up with any rational logical argument or does being a smartass exclude you from doing this ?

The idea of a thought experiment is that you posit a series of logical steps that follow on from each other to arrive at an unexpected conclusion. In this case moving capacitors should create a moving magnetic field which is indeed an unheard of idea to me.

Simple stating that they don't is not helpful - it doesn't elicit any understanding which is the whole point of a thought experiment.

What is required is to understand which of the steps is actually invalid and why the subsequent step does not actually follow on.

1. Moving charges create magnetic fields around the charges.
2. If the charges are moving in a circle then the magnetic field is also moving. i.e. If at time T1 the charges are  in position P1 but not in position P2 but at time T2 they are in position P2 but not T1 by definition of step one above, this satisfies the condition for a moving magnetic field.
3. Capacitors contain charges.
4. Physically rotating charged capacitors fixed to the outside of a rotating cylinder will by definition be rotating the charges. i.e. Moving the charges from P1 to P2 in duration T1 to T2. and QED should create a rotating magnetic field.

Where is the fallacy in this set of logical steps, if indeed there is one.

a. If a magnetic field is created what are the implication of this ?
b. If a magnetic field is NOT created, why not ?

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« Reply #294 on: June 19, 2006, 06:01:38 AM »
bob - When I said I didn't want to sound like a smartass, I didn't mean I was shooting you down for the sake of it.  I was just trying to politely state the obvious.

First - current moving through a wire creates a magnetic field or flux... but moving the circuit through space is not going to increase that field or flux. 

Secondly - a capacitor that is charged and sitting there is not moving current.  The current moves when it's discharged.

Thirdly - the 'charge' in a capacitor is electrostatic, and the charge is held between the plates.  I'm 99% sure that there is 0 magnetic field or flux outside a capacitor.  So moving it is not the same as moving a magnet towards a coil and inducing current.

And last but not least... I am 100% sure that even if there was a magnetic field around a capacitor... you would be better off moving magnets instead of 2000V capacitors around.  And if you are just going to move magnetic fields around - whether they are magnets or caps or wires... you are still talking about a generator... and that is nothing new or exciting.

As far as this device - assuming it is for real - it is either using resonant LC circuits that act as an amplified antenna to draw power from some frequency (natural or manmade)... 
-OR- it's using disruptive discharge (on a smaller scale than Tesla or Gray) to break out a component of what we call electricity and step it up before converting it back to restart the process (thereby multiplying the power in increments) (of course it may just break the component out "for free" and it all just adds up.

If it's either one of these cases - an inductor in the device is simply part of a voltage multiplier (like in a microwave oven) meant to collect voltage for output.




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« Reply #295 on: June 19, 2006, 06:28:39 AM »
But Elvis, wouldn't the power be a such a high level after the device ran for many minutes/seconds that when you remove the magnet you are no longer just opposing that first magnetic field, but you are now opposing the NEW much more powerful field?

So, I don't see how pulling the magnet away would completely slow the device down to a stop??

Or are you just telling me that when the magnet is removed it starts a chain of events that stops the device eventually, and when I figure out what those events are that I will know what the magnet is there for?

Just trying to understand what you meant.

A magnet approaching the device *appears* to start it.
We know that a magnetic field approaching a coil will induce current.
We also know that the device starts with some amount of power - that's what Mannix has said.

So if it starts with power, and mulitplies that power... then any small amount of power would do - including a small magnet inducing current in a coil.  And since we see him do that... I would suggest it's just that simple.

The magnet stays on the device, unmoved while it's running.
Steven said it had to stay there.
We know that the magnet sitting there is doing nothing in the way of inducing current.
So the reason it sits there is not to do something... but to keep from doing what it would do if moved... otherwise, Steven would move the magnet past the device to start it, or put it on and then take it off.

A building magnetic field creates current in a coil... and a collapsing field creates current in a coil... but the polarity is reversed.

Connect a light bulb to a coil and pass the coil through a horseshoe magnet. The light will flash.  Actually it's two flashes that are too fast to see as two.
Pass the coil through the magnet and stop in the middle.  The light will flash once.  When you continue, and remove the coil, the light flashes again.
You can use a compass to see that one side of the coil is N and one side is S when the first current flows... and then the poles reverse when the second current flows.

Given the facts as we know them - I am 100% sure that the reverse current reverses the whole process in the device.  Exactly how that works is still not clear to me... and that may be because if I knew that, I'd know how the whole thing worked :)
So that's why I said - this is something to figure out... and I think it's very important to understanding the device.
At the least... it's better to check every leap of faith against the known facts - before you end up miles away from the truth.







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« Reply #296 on: June 19, 2006, 06:32:40 AM »
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First - current moving through a wire creates a magnetic field or flux... but moving the circuit through space is not going to increase that field or flux.

Secondly - a capacitor that is charged and sitting there is not moving current.  The current moves when it's discharged.

Thirdly - the 'charge' in a capacitor is electrostatic, and the charge is held between the plates.  I'm 99% sure that there is 0 magnetic field or flux outside a capacitor.  So moving it is not the same as moving a magnet towards a coil and inducing current.

To point 1: Who said anything about a current going throught a wire ?
Moving charges whether they are in a wire or not create a magnetic field.
A plasma is a good example.
It is also well known that a spinning CD disc create a small oscillating magnetic field due to the static charges on the disc.

To point 2: But they are moving charges which in theory should create a magnetic field. See where I'm going with this...

To point 3: So if a CD disc, with static charge, that rotates can create a magnetic field why not a capacitor with it's much larger charge ?

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« Reply #297 on: June 19, 2006, 06:39:06 AM »
Depending on which pole he biased the BLOWOUT with he could charge copper collectors around with either hot or cold electricity.

That's new information to me - I haven't come across this idea before.
Is this an idea of yours or is this from another source ?
Do you have any web refs for this, I'm very interested in following up on this ?

thanks.

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« Reply #298 on: June 19, 2006, 06:49:21 AM »
Bob - I see where you're going.  But honestly, why not just move magnets?

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« Reply #299 on: June 19, 2006, 07:17:33 AM »
Bob - I see where you're going.  But honestly, why not just move magnets?

Magnets inducing charges into wires have backemf and back torque and are therefore self limiting.

Can the same be said for rotating charges outside of a conductor that are in a dielectric.

See this excellent web ref which compares moving charge in a conductor with moving charge in a dielectric.
http://www.blazelabs.com/e-exp10.asp

The 'kicks' energy on the collector has an electrostatic character, yet the Mark Steven's device has rotating magnetic fields. There is also supposedly some sort of interaction with the ionesphere which can be thought of as a plate of a capacitor with the earth being the other ?

In other words we need to make a leap in our generation mechanisms between a non moving electrostatic field and a rotating magnetic fields.

 

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