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Author Topic: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"  (Read 1051582 times)

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #255 on: June 15, 2006, 08:07:12 AM »
?s there any documentation on the web about pulse exciting iron wire coils ?

Has somebody else already confirmed, that iron wire coils have no Back EMF effect ?

Of course they do! Plus eddy currents, and  anything any othr flux material suffers from.

Konehead does a lot of playing around with pulse motors, and iron wire for some things, maybe you can find some usefull information on his page.
This link is for building  very efficient neo-mag generator, but just click back to his main page. I think he uses iron wire coils to pick up stray back emf and feed it back into his pulse outboard motor.

http://www.geocities.com/koneheadx/RVMuller.html



Ooops.  That's not what you were looking for.
I was thinking of This :http://www.geocities.com/koneheadx/splatterenergy.html

Which is how to pick up Flux "splatter" and feed it back .  Steel core coil, not steel wire.
Still, it's a good tip
« Last Edit: June 15, 2006, 08:53:50 AM by Automan »

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #255 on: June 15, 2006, 08:07:12 AM »

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #256 on: June 15, 2006, 08:21:32 AM »
And no "DUDE",  you did not find anything to coroborate "his" principals in conventional science. 

In fact, you can't even provide a diagram.  he's got you "thinking", and I'll bet  not one of you are actually "thinking" of the same thing.

have you eve noticed this person reads the forum, but never replies on it himself, but goes through a "friend"? 
Read the other fantastic invention story. Maybe you will "see"  the light.




Even if this whole thing was bunk and bogus, I know for a fact that me and gn0stik could give a crap, because we already learned some amazing things in our process of looking at this 'fake invention'.

I thank you for your concerns, I really do, but I feel that they aren't warranted in this thread.



That's all well and fine.  I was just warning you, there was no need to be rude.

I never said this guy was stupid, just a player.  He's probably reading  http://www.rexresearch.com/1index.htm and feeding you  interesting things that are sort of relevant, but in the end, they all add up to nothing. 

Anyways, carry on.  You'll find this same sort of thing(but a different story) on many sites.   It's all well and fine, until they con someone out of cash. then it isn't funny anymore.

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #257 on: June 15, 2006, 09:32:23 AM »
Hi Mannix,

Any comments on the posts to this forum in the last week or so ?

Are you still in contact with Steven Mark ?

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #257 on: June 15, 2006, 09:32:23 AM »
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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #258 on: June 15, 2006, 10:38:25 AM »
The old rotating compass.

Been thinking about the compass. A compass is placed within the space in the center of the toroid. The unit is started and the compass starts to speed up, until the unit gets to maximum power where the compass stops rotating. When the unit it turned off, the compass starts to rotate again and then slows down and stops. It's been commented that there is a jet engine turbine effect.

These are the only reasons I can think for this effect:

a. The magnetic field stops rotating.
b. The magnetic field ceases to be.
c. The magnetic field moves away from influencing the compass.
d. The magnetic field is spinning so fast the compass needle can't get a hold.

I don't think a. or b. are realistic, the compass does start rotating again on slow down.
I find it hard to think d. It's like saying that you can't feel a 200km wind because it's going so fast. If the magnetic field was there you'd get rotation of the compass even if there was a lot of slippage.

But we know the device has inertial effects. And like a tornado the eye has no movement.I think that whatever field is set up has vortex like effects which as it speed up causes the center to be void of magnetic fields, which is 'c' above. Something like a spinning electron field!!! (Hello Mr Mannix thanks for that clue in your last post!)

Incidently I think the first devices created by Steven Mark relied on self-resonance and tuned coils only. With them tuned in to the magnetic field of the permanent magnet which we are assuming, with good reason, to be 173.9 Khz. Extracting energy probably proved to be difficult because variable resistive loads will change the resonance. i.e. You'd have to tune your device to the expected resistance. And if the resistance changed over time (like a heating lightbulb filament might change resistance) you'd probably pass over the exact resonance point and boom your device dissappears in a mass of smoke and copper....

Once he understood the nature of what he was tapping into - and I'm summising the unknown field is spiral (helical) in nature - he was able to create advanced devices. It is these later devices that exhibit the spinning compass effect.

On later devices I believe he was able to directly create the required frequencies and thus not have to rely on tricky positive feedback loops which can get out of hand. If you want to tap into a spiral electric field you need to create a circular polarising waveform. This is what the four coils we can see are for, I believe.  The coils would be oriented vertically - with pole going up/down - with a sine signal applied 90degree out of phased. For info. on circular polarisation see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_polarization

It is the electric field that spirals and the 'kicks' generate electrostatic effects. Patrick Flanagen's device was an Electron Field Generator.





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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #259 on: June 15, 2006, 04:28:56 PM »
Sorry, I should have mentioned that I have heard very little from Steven of late.
I had drawn his attention to the current thread yesterday ,hoping that he might want to add to the entheusiasim  but i feel that when he sees the rubbish of late he may understandibly shrink away.

He really liked Dr Morays speech

For those who find my attitude annoying I would like to point out that it is a very fine line between copying and discovering and I do find it frustrating going over what was clearly emphasised previously.

The reason that he has chosen to work thru me is that it insulates him from the stuff that comes from time to time . Many times he has said that he will never look here again.  As far as he is concerned he has given us what it took him 10 years to discover. He has also shared the inspiration as well as the fact that the actual source of the energy is not clearly understood . Perhaps tesla understood it. I urge you all to experiment with the head start that he has offered.
I think it unlikely that he will post a diagram but I am sure that he will encourage understanding. This involves people being hands on. I do not know what will come of this but the process is worth contributing to and I urge people with a positive attitude to stay with it ..as for the others they should just watch.
They have nothing to lose and nobody wants any money!
If you think that this is a game then simply do not play if you dont want to but Please try not to  make something both fantastic and hard, even harder for those with the courage, who dare to stick thier head into this.

End of annoyance

Sincerly

Lindsay Mannix

So Im not sure who will be offended by what. But I am sure that Steven would be offended by the rubbish. Perhaps he is too sensitivor perhaps he is just completely unimpressed.           

Welcome back Lindsay. I hope you didn't take the comment I posted about you the wrong way. I have to admit, I used to find you fairly annoying, and had a lot of questions about your presentation tactics, and the way info has been distributed here. At any rate, I've been working hard to understand the principals you've laid down for us in your parable, and prior to that, and I think we've hit on some important principles here. Whether Steven Discovered, or re-discovered, or simply implemented, is of no concern of mine, I will still give credit where credit is due. I'm perfectly aware that in many cases principles have been discovered by many people in a very close time frame. I sure would appreciate some validation of what we've been talking about as of late. We can still move on without it, as I'm relatively sure we've hit on some good info. Heck, perhaps Bill got his info from Steven.  My biggest worry at the moment, is that knowing how dangerous it is, what kind of precautions should we take when implementing. How to SAFELY implement. I don't want my first attempt to go runaway, and start zapping me from across the room. We WILL give this a shot very shortly.

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #259 on: June 15, 2006, 04:28:56 PM »
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gn0stik

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #260 on: June 15, 2006, 09:11:57 PM »

It's been a "interesting thread ;D
I just can't believe  you people allow yourselves to be suckered into wasting your time by this person(s).

This seems to be a great source of personal entertainment for him/them. I do have to give him credit for a great imagination. No doubt, if these talents are properly applied, He will become a good ficton writer some day.



You didn't see nothing...  Take a look at this:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OneSmallStepForMan/

Now that's a great source of personal entertainment!


Hey thanks for the link, there's some good info in there. Regardless of the spirit in which you posted it.

@Stefan: hey man, our threads are getting derailed quite frequently by these guys who would prefer to be derisive than contribute. Are you ok with that? (not you Kosh).

@Automan: What do you care if we're wasting our time? It's our time to waste. Go bother someone who's wasting OTHER people's time. Like politicians or something. What did you think? That you would just come here and disseminate your immense amount of conventional wisdom and we would all just snap out of it?
That you would personally come and save us from being deluded by hucksters? How self-important is that?
Ah forget it, I just need to ignore you and be done with it. Now YOUR wasting my time.
« Last Edit: June 15, 2006, 09:35:48 PM by gn0stik »

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #261 on: June 16, 2006, 12:07:42 AM »
Ah forget it, I just need to ignore you and be done with it. Now YOUR wasting my time.

I agree, this thread has been derailed enough by that Automan, everything was going nicely until he wasted almost a day of our time and filled many pages of this thread with pointless 'arguements'.

 Lets get back to the issues guys.

Onward to the goal gn0stik!!!

;)

Alright then, After having read and re-read Beatty's pages, and diagrams etc., I have a pretty good idea how to build one of these things. However I have NO equipment with which to tune a coil, and to be frank, I'm a bit scared of this thing. I don't generally mess around with electronics that have a big "bite" to them, without significant safety assurances.. And this thing could chew my damn leg off if I'm not careful. Nevertheless I'm thinking that if we get some figures down for diameter, width, and number of turns, etc., that can help us build coils without tuning equipment, I will end up buying some wire, and going tongue in cheek with this thing, as long as I rig up a deadman switch that I can operate from a distance. I am, again, re-reading the amasci.com stuff, to solidify this stuff in my mind. I'm also checking out the papers he used a references, as those serve well as coroborative materials. (not that a UW professor has no credibility of his own)

Any way, here is the the C.F. Bohren Paper.

http://www.cheniere.org/references/bohren/index.htm

Bearden's web site had it for free, everywhere else, I had to log in, or buy it.

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #262 on: June 16, 2006, 02:04:29 AM »
I've commented a couple. the white stuff next to the "heat sink" looks like simple peeled back material from the covering that covers the base of the device.

Regards,
Gn0stik.

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #263 on: June 16, 2006, 05:16:39 AM »
That is nothing interesting, peeled back material from the covering that covers the base of the device. To confirm this, look at the spot underneath the commented pic with the two large caps in it. There is some material cut away there as well. Now, the pic that you posted above of the two round things on top of the heatsink are interesting. The now look like they could be inductors. In previous pictures they just looked like notched disks, now the notches appear to be windings.

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #263 on: June 16, 2006, 05:16:39 AM »
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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #264 on: June 16, 2006, 06:55:53 AM »
Yes, according to one of Steven's videos, he said on his first device with bailing wire, that the magnets "set up the frequency" of the device.

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« Reply #265 on: June 16, 2006, 07:05:51 AM »
From Bills site:

http://amasci.com/freenrg/a-vectFE.html

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If there is an energy gain, then probably we can wind a small pickup-coil onto the inductor of the tuned circuit, then connect the terminals of the donut-coil to this small pickup-coil instead of to the high-frequency generator. This will form a so-called "stand-alone closed-loop free energy device." Without some sort of governor mechnism such as some back- to-back Zener diodes connected across the tuned circuit, the ZPE energy would build up within fractions of a second and cause a piece of the wire to melt (or perhaps the whole device would vanish in an immense flash and a clould of green copper-oxide smoke.)

Are those things pickup coils?


As for the magnets.... I'm not sure, I've gone back and forth from thinking that they are "smoke and mirrors" to being certain they are necessary.

The reason I was thinking they were smoke and mirrors because without them, the device is simple to look at and determine all the necessary components.

Bill beaty talks about the shorted secondary coil which the "kings electrons" go down and find a dead end, and then jump wires. I thought that perhaps the magnet starter was to create an initial inductance in the coil, which in turn begins the process of the electrons running down the wire, and hence a magnetic field. This magnetic field forces the magnetic field of the permanent magnets to re-orient in it's presence as it move around the coil, and move back into the coil once it has passed.

I don't really, know, it's all speculation, really.

What get's me is, I have a feeling that if a different frequency were chosen, they wouldn't be necessary at all. However I also have a feeling that if a different frequency were chosen, we'd just be stealing energy, and that's cheating... ;) Everything is free when you steal it, even energy. Again, just speculation. EVERY OTHER ASPECT has been nailed down.

I've sent Bill an email inviting him to this discussion. If he's ever experimented with this, I told him I'd be willing to pay him a visit.

Regards,
Gn0stik.  


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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #266 on: June 16, 2006, 07:07:14 AM »
Hi Tao & gnostic,

Found these videos which demonstrate interesting resonant phenomina:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY6z2hLgYuY&mode=suggested&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zkox6niJ1Wc&mode=suggested&search=

Although sound is used it's the same principle for electromagnetic waves going around a coil or on a plate or round the circumference etc.

The reason I bring this up is that Tesla observed that disruptive discharge (i.e. kicks) caused different metal objects to accumulated different levels of charge based on their size. In other words this energy that comes from a kick has a specific frequency. If we want to gather this energy on a metal plate, pipe or using a coil we need to know what the frequency is so we can gather the energy effectively.

I'm almost certain I know what the component are in the video clips... but just checking before posting.

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« Reply #267 on: June 16, 2006, 07:20:08 AM »
The yellow tubes are high voltage polyester capacitors. I've checked the Steven video these yellow tubes have wires coming from them which can be seen at certain angles.

http://hometown.aol.co.uk/oldradioparts/cap.jpg

(http://hometown.aol.co.uk/oldradioparts/cap.jpg)

The two toroids are transformers for sure. 1 transformer for each driving frequency I'd say. Without knowing the number of turns I cant say whether they are increaing or decreasing the voltage. I suspect the turns are the same in which case they are acting like isolating transformers.

The wire and number of turns looks awfully thin to be chucking out any sort of heat. The heatsinks underneath the toroids I think are for high voltage switching mosfets. These mosfets would be used to generate a high voltage square wave with a sharp rise time. I've used these mosfets for exactly this purpose and they get incredibly hot (car ignition project). Also you would never mount the item generating the heat on top of the fins but underneath.


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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #268 on: June 16, 2006, 07:26:24 AM »
The magnets also mystify me. In some of the videos they really don't appear to be closely connected in any solid fashion to any of the circuitry. My thinking is that they are connected to generating larger kicks. Perhaps it is the presence of this magnetic field which causes the kicks to manifest to a level that allows cascading to happen ?

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #269 on: June 16, 2006, 02:31:37 PM »
It looks like that every part is doubly present. similar to the thestatika.       

@tao   
ok, he use only one magnet to the small coil but maybe he just adds only the second magnet! Who knows?

 

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