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Offline tishatang

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #210 on: June 12, 2006, 09:06:31 AM »
Hi All,

Moray's device would not work without a ground.  I think Tesla needed a ground for safety because of the high voltage of his coil.

Steven Mark's device worked without a ground!

I think SM found a subtle principle common to both Moray and Tesla but did not need high voltage or a ground to operate.

His remark about related to circumference is another way of saying related to length.  If the coil you want to energize is longer than 1/4 wavelength of the frequency, than standing waves will be created within the length of the coil. 

link:  http://www.ttr.com/corum/ 

     "If the transmitting and receiving coil were made longer than the quarter of the wave-length of the electrical      disturbance in the wire, then the points of highest potential would not fall at the inner ends of the coils ...         as required, but nodal points would form, as the case may be, somewhere in the middle of the coils ..." [Dr.       Nikola Tesla - Selected Patent Wrappers, compiled by J.T. Ratzlaff, Tesla Book Company, 1980, Vol. 1, p.150.

If the top half of the Mark device has standing waves at one freq and the bottom half has standing waves at a slightly different freq, than I think the interence pattern between them will cause rotation?

The flat plates could be the equivalent of the spheres Tesla used to ballast his high voltage coils.

They would radiate and interface with the earth's magnetic field.

The big trick is to get the initial magnet kick to keep oscillating and the rest should be straight forward.

The standing waves in the Tesla coil produced much more voltage than simple resonant circuits.
If Steven is using standing waves ala Tesla, than the initial coil has to be longer than 1/4 wavelength of the
ferromagnetic freq of 175k hertz.  Or, maybe a harmonic above that to keep the length of wire within a reasonable amount.

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #210 on: June 12, 2006, 09:06:31 AM »

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #211 on: June 12, 2006, 06:15:39 PM »
Hi All,

Moray's device would not work without a ground.  I think Tesla needed a ground for safety because of the high voltage of his coil.

Steven Mark's device worked without a ground!

I think SM found a subtle principle common to both Moray and Tesla but did not need high voltage or a ground to operate.

His remark about related to circumference is another way of saying related to length.  If the coil you want to energize is longer than 1/4 wavelength of the frequency, than standing waves will be created within the length of the coil. 

link:  http://www.ttr.com/corum/ 

     "If the transmitting and receiving coil were made longer than the quarter of the wave-length of the electrical      disturbance in the wire, then the points of highest potential would not fall at the inner ends of the coils ...         as required, but nodal points would form, as the case may be, somewhere in the middle of the coils ..." [Dr.       Nikola Tesla - Selected Patent Wrappers, compiled by J.T. Ratzlaff, Tesla Book Company, 1980, Vol. 1, p.150.

If the top half of the Mark device has standing waves at one freq and the bottom half has standing waves at a slightly different freq, than I think the interence pattern between them will cause rotation?

The flat plates could be the equivalent of the spheres Tesla used to ballast his high voltage coils.

They would radiate and interface with the earth's magnetic field.

The big trick is to get the initial magnet kick to keep oscillating and the rest should be straight forward.

The standing waves in the Tesla coil produced much more voltage than simple resonant circuits.
If Steven is using standing waves ala Tesla, than the initial coil has to be longer than 1/4 wavelength of the
ferromagnetic freq of 175k hertz.  Or, maybe a harmonic above that to keep the length of wire within a reasonable amount.

Tishatang


I think you are correct about the size of the coils, what we need to remember here is that the size of the coil/length of wire, determines what frequency the coil itself resonates at. How do we tune a crystal radio? By shorting it at some point along the coil, which effectively shortens the coil and it's resonant frequency, allowing it to resonate with a known frequency. Since Marks claims that his device works like a radio receiver, we need to figure out what frequency to "Tune" into, or make the coil resonant to. Since he claims it get's it's energy from the magnetic field of the earth, we need to figure out the resonant frequency of magnetic flux, which we've done. bob.diroto was saying the resonant frequency of ferrite, that's not exactly correct, although he was giving the correct frequency, we're not looking for the resonant frequency of any element, but MAGNETISM ITSELF (elements have much higher resonant frequencies). This might sound strange, but it's commonly done with digital compasses etc. The sizes of the coils relate to different OCTAVES of those frequencies. We know that electromagnetism is way outside the visible spectrum. So are radio waves, but we tune into those quite easily. Once we have a coil resonant with magnetism, we need to figure out how to induce "kicks" into it. Marks starts the process by agitating the coil with a permanent magnet.

What keeps them building? What causes them to rotate, and thus build the vortex, the earth's rotation? I'm guessing this is, at least in part,  the case.
The earth has a slight wobble to the rotation on it's axis. What happens when you have a ball filled with fluid and you begin to spin it? The fluid, due to conservation of motion, does not spin at the same speed of the ball right away, it has to catch up to it. Once it has caught up however, if the ball begins to spin in different directions, slightly, the fluid will not, those same laws of conservation of motion want to keep it going in the same direction. It will however, have a slight variation in it's currents, due to friction against the core and walls of the ball. Apply this to a ball with an iron core (the earth), and apply a static charge to that fluid(mantle). You've got electro-magnetism. Now what happens when it wobbles after the momentum of that fluid is established? The electro-magnetism fluctuates, due to the currents of the fluid, responding to the wobble. This causes a sort of "beat" to the inductance in the core. Or "Kick".

I don't know how this relates to what Tao is saying, but we've got mulitple, aspects of this thing to think about. I can see how what Tao is saying fits with the "parable" that mannix layed down for us.


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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #212 on: June 13, 2006, 01:21:28 AM »
Notice the part that says the coil is "cut until resonance is established", that makes perfect sense considering the prototype was made of bailing wire. Also the fact that the Mark device is "a low-voltage, low frequency, high-current form of the high-voltage, high frequency, low current Moray device. Each system has its good and bad points.

I see, so I was right about the tuning of the coil via it's length/size. The coil isn't fed a frequency, it's cut/shorted to frequency, as a crystal radio would be. (remember those little sparks when tuning them?)

But you already knew that. ;)

Why you holding out on us man? And what's with the [snip] stuff?

Anyway, I'm beginning to think that I was wrong about Mannix. I think he probably is working with SM now, as your posts suggest. I just thought it was strange that SM would communicate through a 3rd party to begin with. So, Mr. Mannix, and SM, if you read this (I know you will, I know you at least look at the boards, as you were last active today, according to your profile.
), please accept my apologies.

Anyway, I have a feeling, that once we get this built, we will have the tools in our arsenal to figure out other similar technologies, like the Sweet VTA, Moray's devices, Grey's devices, etc. And improve others like the MRA.

I'm still sort of at a loss as to what the other frequencies/coils are for. I know one is an output coil, that's about it.

« Last Edit: June 13, 2006, 01:35:46 AM by gn0stik »

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #212 on: June 13, 2006, 01:21:28 AM »
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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #213 on: June 13, 2006, 01:59:59 AM »
Hi Tao,

How long ago did you get that private message you got from Mannix/Steven that you generously posted ?

cheers Bob

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #214 on: June 13, 2006, 02:03:43 AM »
I see, so I was right about the tuning of the coil via it's length/size. The coil isn't fed a frequency, it's cut/shorted to frequency, as a crystal radio would be. (remember those little sparks when tuning them?)

But you already knew that. ;)

Why you holding out on us man? And what's with the [snip] stuff?


I didn't write the '[snip]' stuff, that was already in that email message ;).

I'm not holding out, I was just remembering old things I saw months ago that could maybe help us now.

I for one wasn't familiar with the sparks from crystal sets, can you explain?

We CAN do this, expecially if Steven could do it with some bailing wire and that less-than-pleasant looking prototype he made. Meaning, he used some spare parts and was able to make this device, I think we should have no problems once we figure out all the pieces and construct a nice diagram as to how this whole thing works.

On some of the crystal radio sets, you have your receiver coil, and how you tune it is you take one end of your antenna wire and short it to the coil. One end of your coil is up the band the other is down the band. The farther up or down the the coil you short it, the farther up or down the band you tune the frequency. As you do this, you can see little sparks.

As I said before it's the original radiant/free energy device.

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #214 on: June 13, 2006, 02:03:43 AM »
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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #215 on: June 13, 2006, 03:12:26 AM »
Mannix/Steven Mark

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"By the way, have you seen the video of the compass turning violently in the center of the unit while in operation?"

Does anyone have a copy of this video or http address where I can find this video ?

Thanks in advance. Bob

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« Reply #216 on: June 13, 2006, 04:44:33 AM »
I'm now starting the process of trying to answer those probing questions that Steven Mark's posted at various points:

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Rotation of field. . . How many people think about that. If you could have a field that you could think of as a big ball. And you could rotate it in two directions what would the ramifications be?

I'm going to assume that by 'two direction' he means rotating the field left to right i.e. through a vertical axis and rotating the field top to bottom i.e. through a horizontal axis.

I did this by marking spots on a soccer ball so I know this is correct.
Any point on the surface of the 'big ball' will trace a spiral path around the ball going from top to bottom and then bottom to top and repeats. e.g. Like peeling an orange from top to bottom to get one long strip.

We already know that a working TPU in any one location will not work if turned upside down. The reason for this must be that the energy field we are tapping into must 'spiral' around the earth.

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Norbert asks:
Now my question:  did you try your device already on the earth south site?
Steven Mark says:
YES NORBERT, WE DID TRY THEM SOUTH OF THE EQUATER,   THEY WORK IN REVERSE. CAN SOMEONE TELL ME WHY?

They work in reverse because if there is one spiral of energy that goes from top to bottom of the earth, if you are on the top of the earth looking down on the spiral, from your reference point, the spiral will go say clockwise, but if you are on the bottom of the earth the spiral, from your reference point will go anticlockwise. (Draw a spiral on a transparency to show that looking at a spiral from each side changes the direction of the spiral.) The very fact that the TPU must be turned over implies that the TPU 'receiving mechnism' must have a preset direction of rotation that doesn't initially reference the energy field.

Cheers ,Bob

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #217 on: June 13, 2006, 05:48:48 AM »
...If Earth had a strong enough magnetic field around her, one much stronger than what we have today, then these random lightning strikes would only be sending their respective waves in one direction, East."
Note that Steven places a that small magnet at right angles to the electrical ring(toroid) in his device as shown in the video...

The whole article was excellent. But more specifically I think Steven places the magnets above the locations where the kicks take place. If we believe the kicks are pseudo electrostatic then this would bias the charges to move in one rotational direction. Indeed if you look at the video of Steven placing the two magnets in the device that takes two permanent magnets you can see him take a magnet from a stack of magnets. He does this twice without flipping the magnets over before placing them in his unit. This means both magnets are place in the same orientation i.e. North both pointing in the same direction.

On another point that Tao mentioned about the battery.
I think there is no doubt that Steven uses a small battery to drive his control boxes. He specifically states that it took him time to learn how to use semiconductor circuits to control the frequencies. There is NO WAY you can have an operating *semi condictor* circuit without a reliable source of constant voltage. A small 9V battery would be sufficient.

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Steven Mark says:
YES THERE IS A ROTATING FEILD WHICH CAUSES ELECTRONS TO FLOW IN COPER WIRE AND BE USED TO PROVIDE USEFULL WORK FORSE. THERE ARE MANY WIRES  PERPINDICULAR TO THE MAIN COLECTOR.  THIS IS A NECESSARY PART OF THE DEVICE.
SINCERELY,
SM.

I really think we have cracked this.

The electrostatic field is made to initially rotate by the placement of the magnets.
The rotating electrostatic field creates a rotating magnetic field.
Further kicks make the electrostatic field bigger.
Making the magnetic field bigger.
As the rate of rotation starts to build the voltage gets bigger.
As the pulsing and rotation approaches a known resonant frequency to which the output coil is already tuned to by cutting down the length of the wire, the energy field that provides the 'kicks' starts to sync to the output coil.

The design problem Steven faced was that using auto-feedback to get the rotation going meant the unit naturally wants to run towards the resonant frequency. Alternatively he could generate the rotating field electronically at the desired frequency by using an inverter circuit OR by using a motor to spin some magnets and then have coils to pick up the appropriate sin wave. But these solution require bigger batteries something he had to avoid if he wanted to have a device that he could easily prove to be overunity.

At this point we don't need to worry about having a feedback mechanism working. Probably safer not to because if we directly control the input signal from completely an outside source we can reduce or turn off this signal if things start to get hairy.

At this point in the game, we can use outside power sources, sinewave/function generators, and high voltage pulse generators, in order to prove the concept.

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #218 on: June 13, 2006, 05:56:02 AM »
Has anyone tried to build one of these yet?

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« Reply #218 on: June 13, 2006, 05:56:02 AM »
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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #219 on: June 13, 2006, 10:18:09 PM »
Has anyone tried to build one of these yet?

I doubt it, because we are just forming the complete theory ;), at least I know I am doing this first.

It can't be that difficult to build, after all, look at Steven's first prototype in that video, :). It looks like he used some pieces from CD spindles, some copper wire, some bailing wire, and a magnet. And of course the control electronics, which can't be anything intricate.

The main problem was getting a complete grasp of the concept, and I now feel we have a fairly good grasp of it now, after piecing everything together from the videos, Steven's writings, and that last article I posted.

I agree, we are getting a handle on this. In the SM quote you posted along with the article.. this one:
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I would also like to say that in the video Steven says "these devices take energy from the inherent magnetic field of the earth....there is a frequency pattern setup in here...if you hold the device in your hands it vibrates ever so slightly right around at 7.3 cycles per second".

I wonder if he meant 7.83, which is the strongest of the schumann resonances.

If so, that is a big indicator as well.

I sure would like some confirmations of our ideas, if we're going in the right directions or not.

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #220 on: June 13, 2006, 11:47:04 PM »

Abstract of US5487113
A method and apparatus is disclosed for producing one or more audiospatial effects in an original audio signal. A spatially disorienting signal, typically a modified white noise pattern, is combined with the original audio signal. A spatially reorienting signal is further combined with the original audio signal in order to give a listener the perception, upon hearing the original audio signal played back, that the sound emanates from a predetermined direction.


So, Steven definitely knew his audio processing ;).

Yes, that's one of the reasons I figured he might use something like the crystal radio concept. I was trying to get on the same wavelength he was when he discovered it. Knowing he was an audio engineer, and he spoke of the TPU being like a radio receiver, I asked my self, "what would and audio engineer who was interested in free energy base their device off of?"

Now reading this, I KNOW that he's using ELV/VLF/SCHUMANN resonances. You see the spatial disorientation stuff? Read this...

Here's some examples of the different biological effects amplified schumann resonances can cause. Some beneficial, some.... not so much....

http://www.bwgen.com/presets/desc45.htm

What rang a bell for me was this.

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while using this frequency i felt a wierd buzzing in my head and even though i knew where i was i felt like i was somewhere else. Can some1 tell me what that was?

hmm.... spacial disorientation perhaps?

He was already working with schumann resonances and fell into the TPU concept after noticing the "kicks", while working on this or perhaps another invention related to them. Perhaps he dropped a magnet next to a coil that was hooked up to an oscope or something and saw a cascade of kicks. Who knows.

I can smell this thing now.... It's close.



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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #220 on: June 13, 2006, 11:47:04 PM »
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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #221 on: June 14, 2006, 12:47:19 AM »

He was already working with schumann resonances and fell into the TPU concept after noticing the "kicks", while working on this or perhaps another invention related to them. Perhaps he dropped a magnet next to a coil that was hooked up to an oscope or something and saw a cascade of kicks. Who knows.

I can smell this thing now.... It's close.


We indeed are close.

Steven's theoretical timeline of events:

The idea you laid out above makes perfect sense, he was already using the schumann resonance frequencies in his attempts to make new audio products for his company when he happened upon the concept for the TPU.

So, he grabs what he has around, ie. some bailing wire, some copper wire, some capacitors, some small electronic parts, some crude structure to hold the stuff together, and there is the very device that we see in that first video, the device on which he places only one magnet, the same device that won't operate upside down. This device is turned on by the insertion of a permanent magnet.

A video later, we see his next device, the one in which he inserts two magnets on opposite sides of the device, but as you said, the magnets are in the same orientation around the unit. This unit is also quite crude, but here Steven demonstrates the lighting of resistive loads with this device. Here also, Steven seems to have solved the upside-down-problem, perhaps by using the two magnets? This device is turned on by the insertion of two permanent magnets.

The next videos show three different coil devices, a small, a medium, and the very large one. Each is completed wrapped with electrical tape in a nice ring shape so as to make the presentation of the device more appeasing to the eye and also to hide the device's internals to on-lookers, for the first two devices weren't shown to investors because all the components were in view and they were too crude. The small device is turned on by the insertion of what looks like a small magnet on the inside of the coil, the medium device is turned on by the switching of one toggle switch, and the largest device is turned on by the switching of two toggle switches at over one second apart.

I'd say thats a possible timeline for Steven's development of the TPU.

We are VERY close now...

Put one together and make it produce some power! 

More power to ya! 

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #222 on: June 14, 2006, 07:59:06 AM »
HOLY CRAP!!! Check this out!! From your article. (I haven't read it all yet, but it's like SM wrote the damn thing!) This is incredible.

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How can this stuff be true?! After all, electric and magnetic fields cannot BEND other fields. They cannot affect each other directly. They work by superposition. For the same reason, a light wave cannot deflect another light wave. Ah, but as I said before, the mathematics of the fields around a coil or a capacitor are not the same as the mathematics of freely-propagating EM waves. If we add the field of a bar magnet to the field of a radio wave, and if the bar magnet is in the right place (at a spot where the phase of the b-field of the radio wave is reversing polarity,) then the radio wave becomes distorted in such a way that it momentarily bends towards the bar magnet. And then, as the EM wave progresses, we must flip the magnet over and over in order to keep the field pattern from bending away again during the following half-cycle. The energy flow continues to "funnel in" towards the rotating magnet. Now replace the bar magnet with an AC coil, and vary the coil current so the fields stay locked to the traveling radio wave in the same way. In that case the wave energy will ALWAYS bend towards the coil and be absorbed. Superposition still applies, but this is a COHERENT superposition, so it acts like a static field pattern: as if a permanent magnet can bend a radio wave inwards and absorb its energy rather than simply having the fields sum together without interesting results.

another quote

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The energy doesn't vanish, instead it ends up INSIDE the atom. Half of the energy goes into "kicking" an electron to a higher level, and the other half is re-emitted as "scattered" waves.

I mean, c'mon, this guy has to have thought of this. He's described it to a "t" and he doesn't even know it.

gn0stik

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #223 on: June 14, 2006, 04:15:55 PM »
OK, you're way ahead of me here, I have to read two more articles still. Thing is, I thought I had read almost all of Bill B.'s stuff, science hobbyist is one of my favorite sites re: this kind of stuff. He's a pretty sharp guy. Kind of like a Bill Nye type of dude, he used to have a "ask bill" thing. Cool thing is, he's right in my back yard, so I can ask him if he ever built one. Or if he's heard of SM. I bet they've had a few conversations over the years.

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #224 on: June 14, 2006, 04:34:19 PM »
Sorry if this has been brought up before, but if this TPM is basically an antenna........we need  an expert in coil type antenna tuning or possibly Tesla coil tuning. All Tesla coils and coil type antennas require exactly this type of "tuning" to achieve resonance and amplification. I've been following the Marks stuff for years and this is by far the best info yet! Keep up the good work.

 

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