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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #2235 on: November 28, 2006, 04:22:56 PM »
Steven or atleast the guy in the video says the unit is 12 Oz. How much wire is 12 OZ's? Not Much.

The patent application is the Gunderson device.
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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #2236 on: November 28, 2006, 05:06:35 PM »
Hi all
Since I began to read this thread, I often think about the words/hints "... like squeezing a hose...".
Have you ever heard about the skin-effekt caused by alternating current?

Quote from Wikipedia:
The skin effect is the tendency of an alternating electric current (AC) to distribute itself within a conductor so that the current density near the surface of the conductor is greater than that at its core. That is, the electric current tends to flow at the "skin" of the conductor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skin_effect

The skin effekt increase the resistance of an alternating current conducting wire by increasing the current desity on the skin of the wire.

So if the current density near the surface of the conductor is greater than that at its core and high current means more electrons in a certain space, what is in the core of the wire, no electrons? Nevertheless it becomes high ohmic. But what is highohmic? Does it mean that there are less electrons to create current flow?  
I don?t know, but let me assume that.
Now imagine a multistranded, non insulated litz wire, send high alternating current through it. The current density on ther outer litzes will increase, and the inner ones are "empty/ less or no electrons" -> high ohmic.
 
Connect now a DC current on the inner litzes for a very, very short time, perhaps microsenconds. In the same time switch off the alternating current
My assumtion is now that all the electrons that where collected on the outer litzes by the skin-effect will collide with the "few" electrons you put in the inner litzes by connecting the DC current.
Cann this collision be the kick we?re looking for?

Well rereading this reply I have to admit, that it is a poor theory. But I have also to admit, that I have no other idea, how this device could work.

kr
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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #2237 on: November 28, 2006, 05:31:10 PM »
RE:  Magnetic Fields

Quote from SM via Mannix:
<<The meter measures anything powerful in regard to electron flow based on the strength of magnetic field.
So the meter displays that there is OBVIOUSLY a LARGE magnetic field inside the coil!!!!!
If the meter says five amps just from a contact high, that means there is one helava lot of power spinning around inside there>>


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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #2238 on: November 28, 2006, 07:26:17 PM »
2tiger,

 At this point your theory is as good as anyones. I suggest you expand your theory and build a experimental test setup. See how many of the observed characteristics of the SM devices can conform to your theory.

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #2239 on: November 29, 2006, 10:30:59 AM »
Hi All,

You might find this very interesting:-

http://mrsec.wisc.edu/Edetc/cineplex/NMR/index.html

Nuclear Magnetic Resonance

Oscillation frequencies of the compass needles decrease with increasing distance from the magnets on the left.

Gives you ideas doesn't it

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #2240 on: November 29, 2006, 03:59:36 PM »
EMDevices - where fore art thou?

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« Reply #2241 on: November 29, 2006, 05:00:36 PM »
Now that I have learned how to drive a tank circuit and make sure I see it oscillate on the scope. I connected it up to one coil on my TPU. Brought it to resonance and connected channel 2 of the scope to the second coil on the tpu. Here is a large pic that shows a definite oscillation of a different frequency in the second coil. Same in the other 2 coils. Relevant, who knows, I need to understand why it is doing this.
http://www.cmnet.ca/projects/sm/smc2.jpg
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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #2242 on: November 29, 2006, 08:44:35 PM »
Now that I have learned how to drive a tank circuit and make sure I see it oscillate on the scope. I connected it up to one coil on my TPU. Brought it to resonance and connected channel 2 of the scope to the second coil on the tpu. Here is a large pic that shows a definite oscillation of a different frequency in the second coil. Same in the other 2 coils. Relevant, who knows, I need to understand why it is doing this.
http://www.cmnet.ca/projects/sm/smc2.jpg
C

Cam,

That is the coil ringing from the pulse. (transmission line effect of bouncing pulse). It degrades due to the signal losing strength due to wire resistance.

This is the effect the coil/inductance testers use to check for shorts in coils. But a mor eintersting question is, is this an effect that SM uses?

If your scope has a delta time function you can use that to determine the period of the first cycle (the strongest pulse) and use the 1/T to determine the frequency. I believe this should be the resonant frequency of the coil or pretty close.

Have you determined the natural resonance of the coils yet? If so this could/should match the ringing signal frequency from above I believe.

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #2243 on: November 29, 2006, 08:52:47 PM »
Hi,

I personally do not have the time to follow the SM threads, but I just wanted to thank everyone working on such a globally and vitally important great cause.

The technology required to make a "free energy" machine is old and has no threat to security what so ever.  The governments would be amongst the last people I would trust as far as the well being of this planet.  They would have billions of people burning polluting gasoline, which is destroying this planet.

This world is in DISPARATE need of global "free energy" and I BEG everyone to put forth as much effort as humanly possible to make this a reality.


The SM machine is but method example of "free energy."  The best form of "free energy" is an Energy Mover. IOW, a machine that simply moves the energy in ambient temperature to the device, say a television, and the television in turn gives off heat, which returns the energy back to the environment (ambient temperature). This is an energy loop. No energy created or destroyed.  It is the best form of energy for this planet. The Magnetocaloric Effect is one means of moving ambient temperature energy to usable electricity. Such technology requires Classical physics and is by no means advanced technology or a threat to any national security!!!!!!!

Kind regards,
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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #2244 on: November 29, 2006, 09:20:12 PM »
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Have you determined the natural resonance of the coils yet? If so this could/should match the ringing signal frequency from above I believe.

@starcruiser
You are correct. :)  I checked it on the scope without the cap on the first coil and the oscillations are the same.

tks, now I get it.

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #2245 on: November 29, 2006, 09:58:06 PM »
@c0mster,

Did you find the ringing or natural resonant frequency around the 1.5Mhz area?

I keep finding this frequency range with my collectors (16ga stranded @ 12 turns on a 4.5" form).

I was looking at this website http://tacashi.tripod.com/elctrncs/ssstc/ssstc.htm and was thinking about trying a similar wiring to see what effect the TPU coils provide. What do you think?

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #2246 on: December 03, 2006, 08:08:17 AM »
I want to tell you something important that may help you to understand what is going on inside the collector.
You know what a particle accelerator is... Well you can accelerate electrons to past the speed of light and you know what happens? They disappear. Does that mean that there is no speed of light ? NO, it means that the electrons go out of this dimensional plane. Scientists are not prepared to explain anything beyond this point. Neither am I. However it has been hypothesized that IF the electrons did not leave our dimensional realm, and stayed here, they would rip the fabric of time and space, possibly destroying our universe as we know it. That means that the power released would be unbelievable and totally inconceivable to mankind. But never the less, it is fact.
 
My friend, listen. Think about, no, visualize the following:
Imagine that you have a cannon which fires a projectile at a velocity of 1000 miles an hour.
The amount of energy held in the moving projectile until converted is lets say a figure of ten.
It will never become more then our figure of ten. The energy will slowly dissipate until the projectile slows and begins to fall to the ground and it's finale dissipation will occur when it strikes the earth or the object it was aimed at. Now, we have been told that there will never be more energy available from the projectile other then what was given to it when first fired into the sky, EXCEPT for the following example:
Now, there can be a further dissipation of energy if the projectile was carrying a charge of dynamite to explode on impact as well.
Do you see how the different things all relate here?
Let me expand your mind for a moment....
Suppose that the projectile which you fired was another cannon? Now you have another cannon traveling at 1000 miles an hour... Now, if you could fire the second cannon, the projectile coming from it would be traveling at a velocity of 1000 miles an hour after being fired. However, since the cannon is already traveling at a speed of 1000 miles an hour when you fire it, the speed of the second fired projectile is essentially now 2000 miles per hour and the energy available to convert from the second projectile, is now twice the ten available from the first projectile! You now have energy availability of twenty to convert from the second projectile.
Now, what if the projectile fired from the second cannon were another cannon and you fired it. Since the second cannon is traveling at 2000 miles per hour then the projectile you fire from it would make 3000 miles per hour, and so on and so on....
The energy released from the speed of multiple projectiles increases the energy available to be dissipated upon impact many fold!
The faster the speed of ANYTHING the more energy will be available for conversion.
A long time ago, i said, if you take a bullet and throw it at the side of an automobile;e it will bounce off. However, if you place the bullet into a gun and fire it at the automobile it, with sufficient velocity, go through the metal door and through the other side because of the inertia energy available for conversion.
Speed is energy if you can convert the mass into energy quickly enough!
Anything no matter how small can store enough energy to convert into huge amounts of energy.
Even electrons.....................................
Now, electrons can travel only so fast along the surface of the wire because of magnetic flux. what if you disable the effects of the flux?
Now the electrons float freely without anything holding them back. electrons at the sped of light are now a possibility! How much energy can be converted from a stream of electrons traveling close to the speed of light? Remember the bullet story.
Think of this:
Energy conversion is different when you consider speed. 12 volts at 100 amps is slow and the energy can not dissipate quickly enough to kill you by discharge. But, it is a lot of energy especially if converted to speed. Reduce that 100 amps to 100 mA but increase the voltage (speed) to 100,000 volts and you can electrocute someone!
My unit operates on these principles. Think about all those frequencies traveling inside the collector coil and how they interact.....

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #2247 on: December 03, 2006, 07:32:54 PM »
I truely wish I could just agree more in this forum and not contradict so much and for that I am sorry. But I think clarifying things, based on documented facts adds to our understanding, it challenges us to rationanalize what we think.
And so Mannix
Accelerators move particles towards the speed of light not past it to some mysterious unproven dimension. As far as I know Einsteins speed of light as an absolute still holds true. If any particle should exceed the speed of light(a moving charge) it's matter fields must interact with all matter in it's vicinity with it, hence increasing mass in the particle and energy required.

As well if a cannon shot another cannon as a bullet, the second cannon has nothing to hold it in place therefore as it fired, the recoil takes some of the energy which should have moved the projectile forward. It is a paradox! The cannons get progressively smaller, and the charges required progressively larger because they are losing to recoil effect, it cannot work as explained for more than a few cycles.

I am confused with the electron analogy too, the electron(a moving charge)does not create a magnetic field, it is intrinsic to the moving charge. If two magnetic fields cancel each other this does not change the fact that an ever increasing amount of energy is required to accelerate the charge and this energy interacts with it's surroundings. I am not saying that a system could not pull energy from it's surroundings ,but entropy still apply's here and this ensures a runaway condition remains impossible.

Im sorry I just don't get this at all, too many contradictions.





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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #2248 on: December 03, 2006, 08:56:43 PM »
I truely wish I could just agree more in this forum and not contradict so much and for that I am sorry. But I think clarifying things, based on documented facts adds to our understanding, it challenges us to rationanalize what we think.
And so Mannix
Accelerators move particles towards the speed of light not past it to some mysterious unproven dimension. As far as I know Einsteins speed of light as an absolute still holds true. If any particle should exceed the speed of light(a moving charge) it's matter fields must interact with all matter in it's vicinity with it, hence increasing mass in the particle and energy required.

As well if a cannon shot another cannon as a bullet, the second cannon has nothing to hold it in place therefore as it fired, the recoil takes some of the energy which should have moved the projectile forward. It is a paradox! The cannons get progressively smaller, and the charges required progressively larger because they are losing to recoil effect, it cannot work as explained for more than a few cycles.

I am confused with the electron analogy too, the electron(a moving charge)does not create a magnetic field, it is intrinsic to the moving charge. If two magnetic fields cancel each other this does not change the fact that an ever increasing amount of energy is required to accelerate the charge and this energy interacts with it's surroundings. I am not saying that a system could not pull energy from it's surroundings ,but entropy still apply's here and this ensures a runaway condition remains impossible.

Im sorry I just don't get this at all, too many contradictions.






Actually C is only a limit for particles with mass. And the practical limit is far less than the speed of light.

The problem is, what they have noticed, is that electrons have simply disappeared in colliders, and to explain it, theorists have conjectured that they actually did reach and possibly exceed the speed of light, and either change into another particle, or shift dimensionally, or both.

What really surprises me, is that there is a question that nobody seems to ask. Conventional physics say that an electron has mass. How can it even approach the speed of light in the first place, since relativity says any object with mass would increase in mass, and require more energy to move the closer it gets to C. Once it hits C, it would have infinite mass, and require all the energy stored in all the detectable matter in the known universe to propel it any further.

Yet, scientists do this all the time, or at least they get them very close to C. Are we to assume then that electrons are actually massless?

The point is, don't allow yourself to be blinded by education. Studying anomaly, is the key. No scientists should ever be heard to say, when noticing something anomalous, "But that's impossible!!, it must be something else!"

As to the cannon thing, it was just supposed to be an illustration, a "best shot" at an analogy. Not to be analyzed for it's specific physical credibility. It was just an attempt to explain that there are several points within the device that accelerate the particles, beyond what you would think possible with a normal circuit and extract energy from the increased speed.

I mean if you really wanted to analyze that, you would have noted that the second cannon would add absolutely ZERO or very little speed to the projectile "stack", as the second it fired, it would drop to the ground, due to the force of the blast counteracting it's forward momentum, and the projectile would continue on at a speed determined by the second charge, if the charge was the same, it would travel slightly faster, since the second cannon's mass is smaller, and the resulting projectiles mass smaller still, far LESS energy would be resulting, since mass*velocity = kinetic energy.

Also, speed is not voltage, but current. The fatter the pipe, the lower the resistance the faster the particle. Voltage is the amount or potential for energy, current is the force, and hence speed of which it is moved, however I didn't see you having a problem with that.

We need to read through and find the message that is trying to be conveyed here, not critique every small detail of the analogies. When we do this, we get nothing from it at all.

Regards,
gn0stik.
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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #2249 on: December 03, 2006, 09:16:08 PM »
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