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Author Topic: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"  (Read 1069846 times)

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #645 on: September 21, 2006, 01:03:30 AM »
hi,

Before i run ito this website i was doing an experiment to see if it is possible to extraxt some power form a permanent magnet.

i started with something like fig1

then i thought about replacing coil 1 with a permanent magnet like fig2.

or even better fig3.

this couldnt be done because magnets are solid i thougt..........but i read in this forum someone said the were defenitly not.

seems to be something there.

now i also read somebody said if you somehow compress the magnetic field and let it "snap" (just cut the dc power fast) it would preduce a "kick" to about 100 times the power of the magnet.

maybe something there too.

but its just a thougt.......

greetz marco



Hi Marco, I don?t yet see,  how you can extract
more energy.
If you use a magnet with it you must use more electrical energy to
compress the field first. Okay, then it snaps back also more,
but only as much as you compressed it before.

This is the same circuit as Bill Alek?s Intalek Smartpack device.
But he saw now, that he can only get additional
electric charges, when he used 2 sparkgaps in series to
have additional electrons generated in the circuit
via somekind of electron clouds or "cold fusion" effects
at the spark gaps.
Same goes for Newman devices.

This seems to be the only way to get more electrons into the circuit loop
from outside and chargeup the batteries.
Maybe thus it would be best to optimize these spark gaps for
the most extrernal electon flow incoming via
mesh metal parts ectracting electron from electron clouds around the
spark contacts or special graphite surfacecontact points or bigger surfaces...

As Newman uses now 8 and more spark gaps in series for his new motors,
there he gets a lot of external electrons converted to fly into his circuit and
thus charge up his batteries.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #645 on: September 21, 2006, 01:03:30 AM »

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #646 on: September 21, 2006, 01:07:14 AM »
Stefan,

I have performed the test you asked me to.  I realise I should have connect the diode in that mannor in the first place, my error.

The noise is much reduced, but we can still see some positive spikes, and a few of them are at BEGINING of the Pulse.

Also, through all my tests I use a battery powered Fluke 123 Digital Scope, so there is always floating ground.



Regards,


Dave

Dave, what kind of mechanical switch are you using ?
What contact material does it have ?
Can you change it to copper and graphite ?

Maybe just use a graphite pencil tip and some copper wire and see any differences ?

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #647 on: September 21, 2006, 01:12:59 AM »
hi,

i do find it funny that they all seem to have that so called "optic illusion"

greets marco



Hi Marco,you are right !
Looks a bit strange !
Maybe it will indeed function best, if there is a small angle between
the coils ?
Maybe it is best for the local earth magnet field at Steven?s location to
extract the most power ?

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #647 on: September 21, 2006, 01:12:59 AM »
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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #648 on: September 21, 2006, 01:14:46 AM »
For now we can only have theories about Steven Mark's device. Regardless where it gets the energy from there will always be heat generated by the current in the wires.

If I had but one request for legitimate "free energy" device inventors it would be the following ->

Please, could you please just get a simple 50 cent thermistor. All you need is connect the thermistor to a scope or multimeter. I have a $10 digital multimeter and a cheap thermistor that can measure temperate changes of just 10mW in a 3" iron toroid. In other words, if there is just 10 mW of energy being removed/added from/to the 3" iron toroid then I can sense it.

The thermistor only needs to make contact with the magnetic material. You can test both the PM or core in any experiment.

Hey, this request is on my Christmas list. :)

Paul Lowrance

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #649 on: September 21, 2006, 01:20:39 AM »
Ok, may questions to answer.


Hi Dave, do you get with your nice 4 coils on the toroid setup
now also this  rotating magnet field ?

http://overunity.com/stevenmark/toroid_gen.gif

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The coils are bifilar, with to layers, I did not detect any movement with a compass so I do not think the field comes out of the core.  I have tried from 100hz, to 6khz, with single field, and counter rotating field with intereference signal.  Nor can I feel any vibration.


Please try at around 1 Hz only and see, if you can get the field to rotate inside the center as this:

http://overunity.com/stevenmark/toroid_gen.gif

Why are you using bifilar coils?

Just 4 normal coils will do it.
You have to setup each coil pair, so that
coil at 12 and 6 o?clock repell and
also coils at 3 and 9 o?clock repell,
but coils at 3 and 9 o?clock must be additionally
90 degrees out of phase to coils at 12 and 6 o?clock.

Then set a compass into the center and watch it spin at 1 Hz.

Instead of the compass you can then place an output coil into the center
and see, if you draw power from it, if the input power will rise ?
Try to orient the output coil in the center at 0 and at 90 degrees to the
other coils and see, what will happen.
Many thanks.

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #649 on: September 21, 2006, 01:20:39 AM »
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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #650 on: September 21, 2006, 01:24:31 AM »
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Okay,  please let us discuss in this thread just the Mark devices.

OK Stefan, I understand. I only wanted to know where all of us could verify this "Barkhausen effect resonance" that you have made reference to on numerous occasions. And also just wanted to know if you were stating a theory or was it an unverified claim or is there an actual experiment that we can build that shows this 180 KHz Barkhausen effect resonance.

You made this statement in reference to Mark's device and thought it was appropriate to ask. Isn't that the scientific method to ask for references? This is 3rd time to ask you, lol, so I'll just sit back and enjoy this thread regardless if no answer. :)


Thanks,
Paul Lowrance

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #651 on: September 21, 2006, 01:29:48 AM »
By the way, Chris Arnold, who replicated the Newman machine
more for plasma lightning between the commutator contacts of a Newman machine,
also reported a while back, that when he has big disruptive currents at his commutator,
the coil then sends out huge amounts of "radiation" energy.

Maybe this is this radiant energy which Tesla told has killed some
workers nearby ?

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #652 on: September 21, 2006, 01:38:45 AM »
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Okay,  please let us discuss in this thread just the Mark devices.

OK Stefan, I understand. I only wanted to know where all of us could verify this "Barkhausen effect resonance" that you have made reference to on numerous occasions. And also just wanted to know if you were stating a theory or was it an unverified claim or is there an actual experiment that we can build that shows this 180 KHz Barkhausen effect resonance.

You made this statement in reference to Mark's device and thought it was appropriate to ask. Isn't that the scientific method to ask for references? This is 3rd time to ask you, lol, so I'll just sit back and enjoy this thread regardless if no answer. :)


Thanks,
Paul Lowrance


Hi Paul,
in one video or one thread over here Steven Mark did claim, that he made his first prototype
out of bailing wire, which is to my understanding just garden iron wire ?

You can see e.g. at Jean Louis Naudin site, that he has researched Barkhausen jumps
in iron material and saw also these avalance spikes, which have a basic
frequency of around 180 Khz.
So if you bring a permanent magnet close to an iron rod and have around the iron
rod an parallel LC tank circuit of 180 Khz with High Q ( low losses)
you can probably keep this LC circuit oscillating as Bob Shannon
did report, that also a static , not moving magnet near the iron material will keep
some domains flipping back and forth due to temperature fluctuations
or incoming scalar waves... He actually used it as a scalar wave receiver...

Look it up at Bill Beaty?s site  www.amasci.com

So have the magnet in the right distance, so the iron rod is at the most steep
BH curve at the right working point and the domains will flip back and forth inside
the iron rod and induce the 180 Khz pulses into the LC tank circuit.
But this must be build pretty big to etract any useful power, as
there are not many domains fliipping and the voltages are only in the Millivolt range.

But maybe Steven Mark is using something like this to start his process and
then feeds back the oscillations to other LC circuits and thus builds up a positive feedback loop
and thus the oscillations get bigger and bigger ?

This was my first basic understandingof how the Mark devices
work, but as TAO now found the quote that there seem to be
only  copper coils in the recent MARK devices, I wonder
if my theory with the Barkhause resonance was wrong...
Then why did he use "bailing" wire at all ?
Regards, Stefan.

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #653 on: September 21, 2006, 01:48:17 AM »
Here is the Barkhausen energy output quote:

http://www.amasci.com/freenrg/bark.html


"If the core material is properly biased, the detector should produce a nearly constant rate of background Barkhausen effect domain transition pulses. This rate will not vary substantially over a reasonably wide temperature range for most core materials."

"Perhaps the most interesting variation on this device is known as a Barkhausen Effect Battery. As we have many thousands of Barkhausen effect transition pulses per second in a well constructed detector, it follows that if the detecting coil is tuned to resonance at the background transition rate, we can produce an induced (weak) electromagnetic current in a load placed across the Barkhausen effect coil. With large coils and highly nonlinear magnetic fields, this voltage may be used to drive simple circuits, such as low-powered tunnel diode transmitters. "

And I add up:
 or even work as a free energy device powered by extraction of heat energy from this iron material
this way !



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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #654 on: September 21, 2006, 04:42:32 AM »
Hi Marco,
what does your circuit look like ?
Do you have a picture of your setup ?`

Electrons in wires onlymove at a few Millimeters/sec
or cm/sec, when I remember right.

What moves forward with lightspeedis the EM field.

Think of it like the electron balls pushing each other horizontally
and thus the last ball flies out with not much delay, like
such a toy, where the first and the last steel ball flies up and comes down
when you lift the most right or left ball and let it go...


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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #655 on: September 21, 2006, 05:03:46 AM »
i think of it's kinda frequenty switch

but i could be totally wrong here just "spinning" my mind.

greets marco



maybe there are three coils?

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top and bottom connected in series and middle rapped around at 90 degrees as illustrated previously



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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #656 on: September 21, 2006, 05:08:35 AM »

I was refering to the post by Dave

Guys,

I have noticed something wierd!  I have rapped a collector coil around my original coil so its at 90 degrees.  I am pulsing the control coil with square wave.  I can collect a signal on the collector, but this is the wierd part.  The voltage changes a fair bit depending on if I turn the coil upside down.  Up one way I get about 12mV across a 0.1 ohm load.  Turn it up the other way and I get about 98mV over the same load.  During this I change nothing, I just turn upside down.  NOTICE!  NOT only does the voltage change, but the wave form also changes shape!

Now, because of the winding, the direction of the coil is counter-clockwise whether its upside down or not.  Nothing on the coil changes.  Why should the collector care if its upside down, its still in the same place relative to the control coil, it doesnt know any different!

The only thing it changes relavant to its the earths magnetic field as SM said!  So if it can react to this, perhaps this can also contribute to its power as he said?  But I still do not see how.

IF the SM device has a threshold voltage, say for instance, mine was 20mV, it would not start when upside down, but when I turned it up the other way it would change to 98mV and it would start!

The only the differnt when upside down, is the current flow in the control coil relative to the earths magnetic field?

How can this work?

Note: for reference, North is out the right of the photos.


Regards,


Dave.

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #657 on: September 21, 2006, 07:42:20 AM »
Hello all,
I have yesterday posted a very long post but I don?t know were it is. I have trouble with opening the site.
 
Mr. Mark and Mr. Mannix, I want to say to You both that you are great people and thank You for the TPU.

If somebody can tell me how to make shematics and post them here that would be great (I?am not good with this).

I think my TPU works wery well in this stage of developement and of course I will share my work with you.

Otto

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #658 on: September 21, 2006, 07:46:26 AM »
Hi Otto,
get yourself the free MC8 demopackage
http://www.spectrum-soft.com/download.shtm

 and
with it you can draw easily the circuit diagram !

Please convert the output BMP screen file first to a JPEG
picture via any free BMP to JPEG converter before posting it here.
Many thanks.

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #659 on: September 21, 2006, 11:19:19 AM »
Ok Stefan,

I have tested rotating field with 90 degree shift at 1hz, I cannot see any compass movement, it seems it does not leave the core.

Dave then you have the coil wiring wrong !

If the coils are repelling the flux MUST go out of the core !

What kindof core are you using ?
Just a plastic core or real ferrite or iron core ?

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I have also tested different loads and done some power calculations.  I dont think there is anything wierd going on here:(


For what case was this ?
Please describe the setup.
Thanks.

 

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