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Offline kames

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #90 on: February 21, 2006, 06:18:10 AM »
Before saying anything else I would like to direct my question to Steven Mark. And here is my question:

In at least one of you devices, does the OUTPUT AC component frequency increase PROPORTIONALLY with INCREASING the number of turns in the output coil?

This is not a funny question, this has been achieved in one of my experiments. I would really appreciate and respect any answer from Steven, even no answer at all. The answer would definitely help me to verify if I am going in the right direction.
And here is some more info.
I am a new in this forum as a registered member but I am not new in this field and in tracing this forum, at all. I have set up one (after a year of experimenting) experiment where I have managed to multiply electrical ?kicks? that Steven Mark was talking about. I have not managed to naturally generate initial ?kick?, at least yet. The electrical ?kick? that I was using was generated artificially but it did got multiplied. I am not yet ready to reveal everything. I might post more info after I get a stable and easily reproducible results but PLEASE don?t be disappointed if I don?t. As Steven said, I don?t like ?Monkey see, monkey do? approach. Unfortunately the things are not moving fast enough.
Some info, only based on my own experience AND after looking at Steven?s videos again and again and some experiments:
1)No magnetic core CAN be used, at least in the simplest set up. In some videos it looks like that the magnetic core IS being used but I think that was some technical improvement vs. general approach.
2)Magnet is a mandatory part but not the best solution, just the simplest solution
3)Look very carefully at the videos and/or some screenshots. There are at least two pictures that do reveal too much. (I don?t want to say that I am absolutely right, I might be wrong)
4)Some of the postings is this forum do really have very interesting stuff

Thanks a lot to Steven


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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #90 on: February 21, 2006, 06:18:10 AM »

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« Reply #91 on: February 21, 2006, 09:57:25 AM »
Lindsay and Steven.
Many thanks for the infos so far, but I am also pretty busy with other things right now,
so I have no time to do these tests. Also I have tried to look up the effect
of the kick current with Google, but did not find any experiment,
which can prove this.
ALso the tube valve book is not available over here in the libraries
and I hoped, somebody would scan it it from their local library or
somebody, who has this book in his posession...
Just keep the info flowing. This year there will
also be many more interesting new devices come up, I can not yet
speak of, cause I have signed NDA.
Regards, Stefan.


Hallo Stefan,

Mit "first kick" ist offensichtlich der Einschaltstrom gemeint.

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einschaltstrom

Wie das jetzt aber mit dem Erdmagnetfeld zusammenpasst und ob die Begr?ndung wie sie bei Wikipedia steht so stimmt kann ich nicht sagen.

MfG
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« Reply #92 on: February 21, 2006, 10:33:56 AM »
Hallo Steven Mark and Linday Mannix,

first of all, many thanks that you are willing to give us some lesson, otherwise we must again invent the wheel.

My english is not perfect, so i want to know if the "first kick" you mention is the same as "startup current" or "starting current" in german "Einschaltstrom" or "Anlaufstrom".

regards from Germany
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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #93 on: February 21, 2006, 03:59:18 PM »
After rereading, I'm obviously getting tired.  I thought the idea was to take an unknown induced voltage and jolt a dead battery(Bendini styple o/u).....obviously brain dead again.  The actual idea is to see the copper movement with a sudden jolt of power, and the true quest is what the copper is reacting against to move which is apparently the earths field since the low gauge copper cannot be heated fast enough to cause a physical jump. 

Sorry, I'll try to pay more attention in the future....

Rich

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« Reply #94 on: February 21, 2006, 07:13:39 PM »
Hallo Lindsay,

ok, next question!

steve said it would be in common sens, but you said it is new education. I'm now irritated.

I was somewhere reading that every electron has a spin and a north and a South Pole (http://www.physorg.com/news9125.html) and "when first electrons are caused to flow in a wire" the adjustment of this poles or spin is changing and this gives the kick.

regards
Norbert K??ner


Rennseak,

Good question

You are looking for prescribed terminology I am sorry your training does not include this .....it still doesn't

I quote from Steven directly here ..."when first electrons are caused to flow in a wire"
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This is the first gold nugget ....do not try and fit it into your education this is a new education

Every body has been looking for back emf

The kick is physical...it shows that there is ENERGY!!!

It is to prove to you that it is there

It is to remove your doubt

It is the foundation of you knowing that it exists

I sincerely hope this helps with the context and action of the KICK!

Does any body else think that one kick amounts to any thing?

Perhaps we need more than one kick ...who knows? ...

What if we had a switch that could turn off the moment after we turned it on?

Heres a potentially stupid term"foward emf"... no sparks ay? ...




I hope this makes sense to you, it is a slow process.

If I could down load my brain here it may help ..I feel like I already have


Im sorry but I keep repeating "read the thread again"


But yes a good question!

Lindsay Mannix



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Offline Elvis Oswald

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« Reply #95 on: February 22, 2006, 12:15:57 AM »
Whatever the source of input this device has... and it has been implied that the source is the "kick" that comes for "free" when a circuit is closed... so we have a source that is not really used - only for the initial "kick", over and over and over...
Then perhaps this is a series LC circuit resonating at the same frequency as the input so that impedance is zero and the output is amplified 100-1000 times - over and over and over?

see this reference...

http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_6/3.html


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« Reply #96 on: February 22, 2006, 02:17:27 AM »
Good idea ! This could be, that he has the coil of the LC circuit then on a toroidal core
and the resonating will induce into the secondary also pulses.

The question would then be, why the magnet field would spin up
in frequency ( the compass spinup) ? This would not fit with a fixed
LC resonance circuit....

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« Reply #97 on: February 22, 2006, 02:29:27 AM »
ty.  :)

I would have no idea how this power is then transformed or delivered to a secondary circuit.  But... it's possible that the physical arrangment of the coils... whether multiple LC circuits or a combination with secondary coils... that the alternating current is rotating around a concentric axis.... thus creating a gyroscopic effect.

Also... don't forget that the power input is said to be small... and so the device is constantly adding that small input to the residual (input minus loss) at each cycle.  This would cause the coils to produce more and more (flux?) and if they are arranged so that it is a roatating field... it would cause the perceived gyroscopic affect to get stronger and stronger until it reached maximum.

The time to stop this motion... the "spin down" also points to an oscillation like in an LC circuit.

Maybe you can answer this - I have heard that you cannot couple a secondary coil to the coil in a LC or "tank" circuit.  Is this true? If it is, then we are still way behind the curve on how this device works.

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« Reply #98 on: February 22, 2006, 02:50:49 AM »
P.S: I have searched back and forth GOOGLE for any reference of the earth magnet field
for instant bigger current when switching on ( Einschaltstrom)
but have not yet found anything related to the earth magnetic field.
So until someone can scan these valve book pages we will be still
in the dark how this effect is working and how it can be seen in an experiment.
P.S: the experiment with the cable and the battery:
There you probably just see, that coil loops repell each self against
each other...
So if you lay a longer wire into a coil onto the floor and energize this cable
the loops will just repell each other, but just only due to their
own magnet fields repelling each other loop...

Stefan.

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« Reply #99 on: February 22, 2006, 03:33:50 AM »
parallel wires with current flowing in the same direction will attract.... reverse the current in one of the wires and they repell.

I'm not sure where the "kick" comes from... but flip the switch on a big DC generator and you will see the glow.

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« Reply #100 on: February 22, 2006, 03:54:21 AM »
Yes,sure they will attract, sorry I mixed this up.
Anyway the wire will move because it is attractic each other.
This is probably what Lindsay meant, am I right ?
Or did he say the whole coil jumps off the ground, because it
is repelled by the earth magnet field ?

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« Reply #101 on: February 22, 2006, 04:14:36 AM »
I don't want to put words in his mouth... but he said they would jump.  And they will... I think he meant from the "kick" though.

I'll try to find reference to the kick - it's what made flipping the switch  on old DC distribution systems dangerous.

I think his reference to the earth's magnectic field was to explain where the kick was coming from.... I think...  :)  Tesla noticed it - and that's what led to the tesla coil.
By using a spark gap... he generated a disruptive discharge... he was (I assume) trying to find the kick... and what it was.
What he did was - by quenching the spark... and holding the discharge time down to under 100ms... was to generate a voltage that would step up 10,000 times per foot of coil (secondary) - this is the spark-gap tesal coil.

This is - I assume - like a streamer of ionized air.  It rolled up the outside of the coil.  He also noticed a cooling affect.  More like a thunderstorm rolling in, eh??  This is why I say it was ionized air - like the streamers that lightning discharges in.

So - assuming Tesla was able to get a true current out of this - with the proper receiver... I can only assume that creating the streamer "made lightning."

So this is why I say that mannix must be alluding to the kick coming from the earth's magnetic field.

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« Reply #102 on: February 22, 2006, 05:45:04 AM »
With all respect for Steven

In my previous posting I have mentioned that there are at least two pictures from Steven?s device that might be revealing ?too? much. I have attached those pictures to this post. We will have a look at them a little later.
In one of the previous postings, not by me, there was a reference to the ?Electrical Soliton Oscillator?. Now, if you go to the link http://people.deas.harvard.edu/~donhee/MTT_2006_Ricketts_Li_Ham.pdf and read that file on page 7 fig. 12 (Measured startup transient), also fig. 11 on page 6. Doesn?t it explain why the compass is rotating in one direction at start up and another direction at shut down?  Now on fig. 14 (Measured stable soliton oscillation?) Doesn?t it explain why the compass is not rotating when the system has stabilized? I want really to emphasize it, it DOES!!! I don?t want to say that Steven is using the same idea, not at all. It is just my wild guess.
I am not a good teacher to explain everything I know, but if you have some knowledge in electronics, you should be able to easily understand the above. The only thing I don?t agree with that article when it says ??.there has not been a robust electrical soliton oscillator reported to date??. That is simply not true. I have developed myself, as a part of my job, more than enough such generators but could never even imagine that I was doing something special. It just was my everyday job. I am very sure that other people were doing even better job.
Now, for the same document, have a look at fig 8. Anything common with a magnet? Yes and no, but more yes. It doesn?t prove any over unity yet but the similarities are very high. In my previous posting, I have said that using a magnet is not the best solution, just the simplest. I think that using a vacuum tube with cold cathode is better but for the reason not having even one (if I only new about it 25 years ago) I cannot prove it.
In my previous posting, I have asked Steven a question, not a trivial one. If he can answer, negative or positive, doesn?t matter, I would be more than satisfied. Based on my question in the previous posting, at some time I was experimenting with some ?free energy? devices. I forgot completely about Steven?s device at that time. But when I found this forum and read everything I was almost ready to go and buy a bottle of brandy. I was looking for generating a standing wave but got something different and very interesting. Despite that, I didn?t know what to do with that all. Having read the entire postings here, the picture is clearer.
Now, about the attached images. Open the attachments and have a look at the type (manner) of windings. Anything strange? Yes, at least for me. I am not yet ready to tell how I managed to multiply the artificially generated ?kicks? but probably at some time I will do it. I just want to recover my previous experiments and reproduce it again with some more stuff in mind.
And again, to prevent any arguing, I might be very wrong.

Regards

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #103 on: February 22, 2006, 10:54:32 PM »
Hi,

I have have viewed the videos and read the helpful patents that have been referenced on this subject (Lindsay yahoo forum). I would now like to express my Opinion about how the toroid device (the model) shown in the first of Steve's videos can be based on one of these patents (ref. US2004/0007932 Jan 15,2004) - There is a lot of educated guess work here!

(Please note I am not saying that this device model is a copy of the patent only the device in the patent probably uses similar science to operate!)


First observation:

The video shows what I beleive to be a black plastic wire spool - (The bit left over when you have used up all the wire!)
The center of the spool has been enlarged to accept a small cylinder.

Now if you read patent and note fig. 12 you will notice a dual pattern of windings - one
set being the primary and the other being the secondary.

Second observation:

If you study the model video footage you will see a that a winding has been threaded from the outside edge of the cheek
of the plastic spool through the center and around to the outside edge of the cheek opposite. The winding connection appear as white around each cheek.  The white being some sort of plastic insulation tape etc. Each winding as it passes over a spool cheek is possibly taped to the spool with black tape (or black epoxy resin not sure..) The pattern of laced white connection has similarity to the patent - See top and bottom of figure 12B. I can only assume that the active part of the winding is that section which would appear vertical within the spool centre if the spool cheek was horizontal.

Third observation:

At first I assumed the winding is an attempt to generate a rotating magnetic field which can be imagined as
rotating (virtual) bar magnet spun perpendicular to the spool axis. But the designs shown in the video footage
do not attempt to make efficent magnetic flux paths across the diameter of the toroid i.e. some toroids are shown empty! -
We therefore have to assume that the design is a multipolar design i.e. N-S loops of flux close to the windings active region i.e. the circumference of the inside of the spool.

Fourth Observation:

Again reference the patent (fig.12B and C). The patent also describes various three phase windings ignore these... If I was building a small test model I would not start with a three phase design I would go for a biphase design as it is easier to construct and drive (i.e. only a single capacitor in series to generate second phase). Note the pattern of windings shown in fig. 12B is a biphase arrangement and is equivalent to a single spinning magnet as described above. In order to make this a multipolar winding you would have to link fourth such windings in series (overlap end to end..). Again if you look at the model the winding is shown in four equal sectors around the cheek of the spool.

Fifth observation:

With an educated guess - I would say the function of the extra cylinder insert is to support the secondary against the primary described above - Some evidence of this is shown as more white insulation around the intersection of the cylinder and spool but this is more difficult to see on the video.

Whats it all for?

The patent implies that a 'moving' magnetic field is produced by the primary which induces a similar 'moving' magnetic field in the secondary. As well as normal transformer action between the primary and secondary you have an extra effect - Apparently the secondary can be made to electrically drive the primary 'positive feedback' and in doing so produce the electrical equivalent of a spinning mechanical flywheel.

What ever adds energy to the system only occurs if the magnetic travel or spin is in the correct direction in relation to it - The video shows that the system has to be orientated correctly for the generator effect to be observed. It is my guess that the secondary must be rotated physically in relation to the primary by some fixed amount possibly in order to 'tune' the phasing to get it to work correctly and make the device only allow magnetic field spin in one prefered direction.

I must comment here that the source of the extra energy seems to be unclear but I suspect it must be some kind of relativistic field effect do to the extreme spin rate of the magnetic field or perhaps some unknown spinning flow of energy into or out of our planet!

Anyway thanks all for this very interesting forum.

Regards

Conwy

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #104 on: February 23, 2006, 07:08:55 AM »
Conwy,

Can you provide a link to the us patent you have mentioned? I have tried to find it on Google but with no results. Just want to read everything.
Conwy, as I understood (correct me if I am wrong), you are talking about a bigger coil. What about the video that shows a smaller coil? Is there anything inside that coil? There is nothing inside (in the center) in few of the smaller coils and it still works.


I would like to go into more details about Steven?s ?kicks? of energy excess. I am not even sure if I am doing the right thing trying to explain it. I would really ask everybody not to jump into conclusion unless you have a very good picture in your head.

About the ?kicks? that Steven was talking about. Steven said that those ?kicks? represent some kind (please don?t blame for incorrect wording, just the meaning I want to express) of energy excess. I would not call it as ?excess of energy? even in Steven?s case it is absolutely right, I would call it as very short and tiny unbalanced states of energy. Without going into heavy mathematics and physics, here is a very simple example, not directly related to energy, but look at it as a general idea or situation that is always present in any kind of action or interaction and real life.
In any (almost) university book (even in some schools) you can find a very ?strange? thing from the first point of view and it is that in any triangle the sum of all angles is ALWAYS greater that 180. It cannot be even equal to 180, it is always greater. If you don?t know about it, search for it. What it means that there is no ideal situation in real life. The same refers to the energy of any kind. There is always a bit of unbalanced state represented in any given LOCALIZED system (localized doesn?t mean not having connection to outside, just the way we use it). There is always a ?kick? generated by whatever unbalanced means, earth magnetic field or anything else, doesn?t really matter in general but in the exact case interesting to figure out. That very little piece of unbalanced state is what can put the system into the self-oscillation. The funny thing is that you can artificially increase the unbalanced state.
The definition of the balanced state of the system. (forgive me for my English, not my first language). I am not going to read you all the physic laws here, you know them. (There are so many skeptics that you can learn all the physics just based on their articles, no need for university -:)). I want to show you a different view on them. Any system is trying to get into a balanced state by trying (as much as it can if you don?t FORCE it) to spend the LEAST energy from the SOURCE AND ITS own. This is not my theory; this is taken from the pure mathematics and physics I was thought in the university. Looks stupid from the first view. You can say, wait a second; a simple transformer takes more energy from the source if you load it more. Guess what, wrong (may be -:)). In the case of the simple transformer, the magnetic flux generated by the output coil is directed in an opposite way to the magnetic flux generated by the input coil. It means, that the current generated by the output coil in the input coil will be in the same direction as the current from the source. Not yet strange? Okay, the transformer is trying to HELP you by adding the current to the input current AND this is what means the system is trying to get into the balanced state. But unfortunately we are ignoring it and not separating the source current from the generated current. As a result we put the system into the situation where it has no choice as to consume more and more energy from the source. If you can split it or make the interaction non-linear, you can get a really high efficiency but not YET over unity. Why? May be in the next post.

PS. A lot of people are talking about rotating magnetic field. I don?t know if it can generate excess of energy but at least in Steven?s case this is NOT a rotating field. How can you possibly use a rotating field in case of Steven?s BIG coil with the power unit in the center and connected to the main coil with only few wires? You simply don?t have enough number of wires connected to the external coil with no magnetic core to generate any efficient rotating magnetic field.

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