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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #195 on: June 08, 2006, 05:07:40 PM »
Having read ALL of these post (boy did that take a long time) it struck me that we need to know the parameters to achieving the largest 'kick'. Another member of the forum pointed out that Tesla had also observed these 'kicks'. From Tesla we know that:

a. The higher the voltage applied across a wire the larger the kick.
b. The faster the voltage is made to appear on the wire the larger the kick.

So high voltage needs to be applied to the wire as a square wave with as fast a ramp up time as possible.
I'm assuming that the levels would be 0V and say 1000V as opposed to 1000V and -1000V inorder to achieve a DC output.

What I don't know is what parameters of the 'wire' will give the largest kick.
Is it:

1. Diameter of the wire.
2. Length of the wire.
3. Insulation around the wire.
4. How tighly the wire is bundled together.
5. What wire material, copper, iron, steel, or copper coated steel which is good for high frequencies.

My gut feeling is that the following would give an excellent kick:

1. Cut enamelled copper wire into 2 inch lengths - say 200 of them.
2. Strip the enamel from the ends of each wire.
3. Bundle the wires together to form a cylinder and tie with a non metallic tie. e.g. cotton
4. Solder all the wires at one end of the cylinder together and attach a thick wire - wire A.
5. Solder all the wires at the other end of the cylinder together and attach another wire - wire B.
6. This will then look like a large resistor.
7. Coat the whole cylinder with large amounts of epoxy resin (or melted acrylic) so that the cylinder is very well insulated. Perhaps as much as 0.5 inch all round ?

Why use the epoxy resin ?
Another member mentioned the problems that on connecting a high dc voltage, sparks would fly out of an insulated conductor at right angles to the wire. We want to keep the energy in the conductor so the more insulation around the conductor the better.

To test I'm thinking of applying a high voltage 0-1000V fast ramp square wave to 'wire A' and just observing. I'm hoping there will be an adundance of 'charge' in 'wire B'. I'll observe what I get! Or if anyone else thinks this has merits please try and give your observations too.

The second part would be to try and capture some of the energy. Perhaps a simple two coil transformer  attached to part B.

Alternatively:

a.  I was thinking of doing away with all the epoxy around the cylinder and simply wrap a secondary around the cylinder and just observe the voltage obtained.

or

b. Putting the whole unepoxied cylinder inside a copper pipe, and then putting epoxy around the copper pipe. The copper pipe would act as the collector of energy from the wires inside.


I'm throwing this out as an idea, for brainstorming, the main point being to understand what parameters give the biggest kick.

Also Patrick Flanagen's Electric Field Generator ( see http://homepage.ntlworld.com/ufophysics/efg.htm) appears to share some attributes with what we are doing. It would be interesting to see what would happen if his device was place inside a copper pipe and a high voltage positive offset square wave applied.I bet you would get a large current flowing through the pipe if you connect a wire to each end of the pipe. As far as I can tell he uses high voltage AC sine waves without any DC offset. i.e. +5000v to -5000V as opposed to a DC offset sinewave of +10000 to 0 volts.





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« Reply #195 on: June 08, 2006, 05:07:40 PM »

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« Reply #196 on: June 09, 2006, 02:36:01 AM »
Consider this hypothetical case. If you look at the still surface of a dam of water and you paddle your feet in the dam, there does not appear to be any energy in the dam. Now imagine that you have no idea what a dam is. Now imagine your education system teaches you that to use the water from the dam you have to 'scoop' the water from the top of the dam. Over time there is a concrete set of laws on scooping water. The larger the bucket the more water you scoop etc.

Now imagine that one day you are messing around at the bottom of the dam on the outside and decide to stick in a pipe into the dam a few feet down. All of sudden there is this huge rush of water through the pipe!! How can this be ? Your scoop 'laws' clearly tell you that you cannot scoop more water than the size of the scoop. Yet if you measure the amount of water pouring out of the pipe. It is clearly much more than the size of the pipe!! IMPOSSIBLE! But the people who know the rules believe this is a trick. They tell you connect this so called 'pipe' to the top of the dam and show us your 'scoop-pipe' scooping water back into the dam. (Everyone knows that an immutible law of scooping is that if you scoop water you can pour back into the dam). Low and behold when you connect the pipe to the top of the dam, the water stops pouring. Everyone laughs having PROVED that you are a fraud.....

Now clearly if you have no knowledge of what a dam is and how it works, the above differences in taking water out of the dam appear to 'magical' and go against all known laws! If you try and analyse how the pipe is getting the water, using the 'scoop' laws you are bound to fail to understand how the pipe is working. 'Scooping' is not the principle being used on the dam.

Similarly with the Steven Mark's device we are trying to understand what is happening based on an incomplete model of how electricity is generated and what electricity really is and for that matter what magnetism really is. We are thinking in terms of transformers (the scoops in the dam example) where we really need to start thinking in terms of the 'pipe' and trying to think what the 'dam' is really like.

This is what lead me to the basics concerning the 'kick' in the previous email - and of course mannix insistence that this is where we should start.

Now some further thoughts on how to proceed. The Steven Mark device clearly has complex timings involved - to do with frequencies, magnets etc. How much of this complexity is due to wanting to feedback some of the output back into the input - but at the right frequencies ? My gut feeling is - most of it.

After all you don't just decide to wrap a few coils with magnets and happen across the exact number of windings, gauge of wire, core, capacitance etc. No way. Everything starts with a little of the 'umm that is strange'. Then replicating the effect. Then determining what makes the effect bigger. Then once you can achieve an output greater than your input - you then look to feedback some of the output into the input. Ahh, but if the effect is dependant on frequencies, tying outputs to inputs can play havoc with all those things that affect frequecies and oscillation in electronics. So you come up with a clever scheme to make it all work which indirectly (and obviously unintentionally) MASKS what is really happening.

I'm sure the 'ahha' moment is due to the kick. Understand how we can make this kick bigger and how we can collect some useful energy from the kick and we will be on the way to understanding what is happening.

This is my guess on what is happening. Magnetism obviously plays a large part in this device. Let's disregard what we think we know about magnetic fields and instead make an assumption that there are north and south magnetic particles. (Scientist have long sought to determine the existance of a  magnetic monopole and I can't see how this could be possible unless magnetism was caused by particles which undermost circumstances appeared in pair and thus the appearance of a field.) So let's go along with the assumption for now. The kick somehow brings these particles into existence for a brief period of time. The two magnets are used to cause the particles to flow in opposite directions down a wire. The interaction of the particles causes electrons to flow to create electricity but not in the same manner as a true magnetic field. This is why the output is DC rather than the expected AC when dealing with conductors being exposed to a changing magnetic field. It is the coming together of magnetic particles that causes the electron flow. This is why you don't want an iron core! The iron core would be very attractive to the particles and thus they wouldn't combine where you want them to.

So Mannix/ Steven Mark am I close ?





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« Reply #197 on: June 09, 2006, 08:03:07 PM »
Tesla/Sweet/Gray/Wootan et al, all found independently that the resonant frequency for magnetic fields was somewhere in the 180Khz Range. With the MRA, they found that it seemed to be precicely 174.926. I don't know if this applies here, but the MRA was found to be resonating with the earth's magnetic field when not being introduced to specific local magnetic fields. The "Kicks" are probably the highs and lows of the square wave itself. I don't know if this will help with the Marks device or not, but it seems relevant.

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« Reply #198 on: June 09, 2006, 08:55:02 PM »
Monsieur gnostic that is very interesting. I wonder what would happen if you had a coil whose natural resonant frequency was the 175khz ? Is that possible, how do you calculate the resonant freq of a coil of wire without any capacitors - I will look this up. Then apply a square wave at this frequency, perhaps adding permanent magnet as part of the electric circuit but not in the traditional sense but as if it is a conductor. Are neos conductive to electricity ? Will check this too.

I'm certain this device is for real. Take a look at the adams motor. Same mode of operation. Applying a pulse into a coil, disconnect of return path, other pickup coils near by, magnetic fields from permanent magnets near by. Optimum settings at resonant freq of the coils. Rotating magnetic field due to actual rotation of the permanent magnet. There are common concepts here.

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« Reply #199 on: June 09, 2006, 09:27:16 PM »
Monsieur gnostic that is very interesting. I wonder what would happen if you had a coil whose natural resonant frequency was the 175khz ? Is that possible, how do you calculate the resonant freq of a coil of wire without any capacitors - I will look this up. Then apply a square wave at this frequency, perhaps adding permanent magnet as part of the electric circuit but not in the traditional sense but as if it is a conductor. Are neos conductive to electricity ? Will check this too.

I'm certain this device is for real. Take a look at the adams motor. Same mode of operation. Applying a pulse into a coil, disconnect of return path, other pickup coils near by, magnetic fields from permanent magnets near by. Optimum settings at resonant freq of the coils. Rotating magnetic field due to actual rotation of the permanent magnet. There are common concepts here.

Neos are conductive.. They are composed of mostly iron Nd(FE)b, and most are nickel coated. Now if you read the info on the MRA here: http://www.rexresearch.com/mra/2mra.htm, you will find that there are other aspects that are similar to the TPU. It has what they call "virtual rotation". The principal is that they rotate the energy via resonance, instead of mechanically rotating anything. I have a feeling that something similar is happening in the TPU, albeit MUCH more effectively, and efficiently. After which the inductance in one coil cascades to the next creating power (and a magnetic field). This may be, in part,  what creates the gyroscopic effect. Rotating energy via resonance, and hence a rotating magnetic field via inductance.

Just a thought.

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« Reply #200 on: June 10, 2006, 02:28:57 AM »
Thanks gnostic for the info., much appreciated.

Having had a closer look at one of the earlier Steven Mark's videos where the TPU is not wrapped up. It appears not to have windings all the way around the toroid but rather 4 'blocks' of somethings 90 degrees around the toroid.

My immediate questions are what is the framework of the toroid made of specifically:

a.  What are the upper and lower rings made of
b.  What material is used to connect the upper and lower rings.

Another interesting observation is that the different size TPU's are not scaled proportionally. The difference between the inside and outside radius of each toroid looks to be approximately the same. You might expect the large toroid to have a larger difference between the inside and the outside.
Is this relevant; I don't know.


Material Choices for the rings (as in a. above)


Possible material characteristics are

Conductor/Non-conductor
Attractive to magnetic field/Not attractive to magnetic fields
Insulator/Dielectric Insulator

I'm going to plump for the 'Not attractive to magnetic fields' and 'Conductor'. Firstly because it looks like metal. Secondly non attractive to magnetic fields because I think we want something that doesn't act like a transformer. So I would plump for either aluminium or copper. Probably aluminium because it's easier to machine and cheaper than copper.

What material to connect the upper ring to the lower ring.


This is much more difficult without knowing the purpose of the rings. I'm going to go for insulator because there appears to be as part of the input/feedback electronics two small transformer style toroids, and two large capacitors which suggests feeding into two electrically isolated structures i.e. the two rings.

So an interesting experiment comes to mind, what happens if we apply a different frequency of square wave to each ring ? The two small transformer toroids and capacitors could certainly achieve this. On the top ring the wires for the square wave would be connected 180 degress apart. Similarly on the bottom ring the wires would be 180 degrees apart. I think both rings would be oriented so that the connections to each ring were above each other but obviously electrically isolated from each other.

So you bang a high voltage square wave into the ring and you get a 'kick'. OK what happens to this kick ? What is this 'kick' made of ? Magnetic particles ? Ummm. Let's assume that different frequencies of square wave relative to the circumferance of the rings cause the position of the 'kicks' to move round in a circle around the ring. If we apply the same frequency to the top and bottom rings the kicks to the top and bottom are going to be synchronised. Differ the frequencies slightly between top and bottom (say by 7.5 hertz - shumann resonance ?) and you have relative movement of kicks of 7.5 hertz applied on top of a much higher frequency. Perhaps one of the rings is set to the resonant frequency of ferrite (174.9Khz) whilst the other ring is set 7.5 Hz higher or lower.

This rotational motion of kicks somehow sets up a rotation of magentic particles which by some unknown mechanism couples with the earth's magnetic field and/or the ionesphere causing more particles to be pulled into the 'whirlwind'. All we have to do is direct the particles to the right place. This is where the magnets come in. Standard style output coils are placed between the two rings 90 degrees from the outputs. The coils would have iron cores. Place magnets above the coils ? North up on one coil and south up on the other and you would attract the appropriate magnetic particle ? The particles interact with the coil causing the current ?

Or perhaps the magnets are only necessary to prime the pump. Yes this sounds more likely. The permanent magnets provide a continuous replenishment of magnetic particles which are whirled in a circle by the kicks; followed by coupling with the earth's magnetic field; which causes large amounts of current caused by the particles to appear in the output coils. Remove the magnets and the source of particles drys up hence the wind down effect that is observed in the generated voltage.

Lots of guess work, conjecture and imagination! Perhaps some clues from Mannix/Steven can point us in the right direction to limit the experiments required.

Or perhaps the toroid structure is a total smoke screen...







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« Reply #201 on: June 10, 2006, 09:28:57 AM »
Hi gnOstik and bob.diroto and all,

I am glad to see more discussion like this on this topic.
Here are some of my observations:

There is a difference between the early single magnet design and the later two magnet design.  Just as the case of the testika device.  The early testika had only one "windmill"  and the later two.  The single design gives you a half wave rectified pulsating DC.  The two element design gives you a full wave rectified  pulsating DC output.  Notice the testika counter rotates and I feel the Mark device electrodynamically counter rotates.
The colliding force fields gives you much more engergy than just adding the two halves together.

Steven Mark hints at this in point17 of one of his letters.

 "17    Rotation of field. . . How many people think about that. If you could have a field that you could think of as a big ball. And you could rotate it in two directions what would the ramifications be?  I hope some of you will appreciate this info, my direct response and the spirit in which it is given.
Sincerely,
SM "

I don't recall this point being discussed here.

Anyway, back to the design of the Mark device as I see it.

Any coil has a natural resonant frequency because of capacitance between the windings.  The higher frequencies are easier to construct because the components are smaller.  I am guessing enough fine windings will give you the resonant frequency of 175K hertz.  If the first coil is wound to have a resonant freq of 178k and the reverse direction coil is wound to have a resonant frequency of 172k hertz, than we have a beat frequency difference of 6k hertz, our design output.  This 6k freqency will need bigger components to have a resonant freq of 6k.  Therefore the upper and lower plates are the capacitor plates of the 6k resonanant coil.
By placing all the coils within the plates, all the coils are closely coupled with 6k hertz.  The voltage will get very high between these plates.  The open air device is just that, using air as the dialectic between the plates.  The higher voltage devices need additional insulation in the middle to keep the two halves from arcing across the coils in between.  As I recall when a demo torus was cut into pieces, there was a cork-like material in the middle.(?)   See the engineering report somewhere in this thread.

The open air design shows a few windings around one of the plates to reduce the voltage for output.
The coils and capacitors in the middle of the big unit, I feel are just a filter network to change the pulsating DC to more pure DC for the inverter shown in the video running the TV.

Hope this helps,

Tishatang

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« Reply #202 on: June 10, 2006, 11:09:34 AM »
Hi all,

Links to Henry Moray speeches:

http://www.rexresearch.com/moray3/speech.htm

http://www.rexresearch.com/moray3/beyond.htm

Good reading for all.

Tishatang

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« Reply #203 on: June 10, 2006, 12:01:33 PM »
tishatang,

I for one hopes that Steven Mark via Mannix continues to post. The essnce of the information appears to be correct even if the delivery is somewhat original. Let's just see where this goes! Of course I haven't endured several months of drip-feed and have the advantage? of reading all the posts in one sitting.

I hand't thought of the plates being capacitor plates... interesting. I have though had other thoughts about whether the plates are actually metal. On the open model of the mark device he seems happy to touch the toroid framework when the device is working. Conductors or capacitor plates, I certainly wouldn't be touching anything metal in this device! I'm now thinking along the lines that the framework is made of some sort of insulated material - plastic, acylic, epoxy etc.

 "17    Rotation of field. . . How many people think about that. If you could have a field that you could think of as a big ball. And you could rotate it in two directions what would the ramifications be?  I hope some of you will appreciate this info, my direct response and the spirit in which it is given.
Sincerely,
SM "

This statement has intrigued me from the time I first read it on the original posting. The key is understanding what is meant by "rotate in two directions". Is this two directions through the same axis or is it axis at right angles to each other ? Or is it top half rotates one way, the bottom half rotates the other way ?

Given other hints that there is a whirlwind/turbine/jet engine of magnetic field then I guess rotate in two directions will give a vortex if rotated around the same axis ?

Or perhaps if rotated about two different axis you'd get standing waves ? Or pulsating vortexes arranged in a grid around the sphere. Or perhaps you'd get a grid of field lines ?


Baling Wire Reference

When he says that the first device was made of baling wire. Is this a literal term that actual baling wire was used, which to my understanding is not insulated, or is it a generic term, meaning odds-ends of wire he had laying around, which may well have been insulated wire ?


Control Circuit


I think the electronics in the center of the large toroid are the input and feedback control electronics. He specifically mentions in the video turning on one frequency and then turning on the next.


Frequencies

I have a gut feeling that the main frequency will be a multiple of the resonant frequency of ferrite. e.g. 695Khz or something around this frequency. Perhaps the trick is to pulse at two different multiples of the ferrite frequency ?


I think I need to start more experiments on the kicks...

Tishatang, I'll check out those moray links now, cheers.

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« Reply #204 on: June 10, 2006, 05:22:23 PM »
http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/new/tesla.htm - gets more interesting 2/5/ to 1/2 through the document.

I think the steven Mark device utilises an aspect of this phenomenon documented by Tesla.

"These electrical irritations expanded out of the wire in all directions and filled the room in a mystifying manner. He had never before observed such an effect. He thought that the hot metal vapor might be acting as a "carrier" for the electrical charges. This would explain the strong pressure wave ac?companied by the sensation of electrical shock. He utilized longer wires. When the discharge wire was resistive enough, no explosion could occur.

Wire in place, the dynamo whirred at a slower speed. He threw the switch for a brief instant, and was again caught off guard by the stinging pressure wave! The effect persisted despite the absence of an explosive conductor. Here was a genuine mystery. Hot vapor was not available to "carry" high voltage charges throughout the room. No charge carriers could be cited in this instance to explain the stinging nature of the pressure wave. So what was happening here?

The pressure wave was sharp and strong, like a miniature thunderclap. It felt strangely "electrical" when the dynamo voltage was sufficiently high. In fact, it was uncomfortably penetrating when the dynamo voltage was raised beyond certain thresholds. It became clear that these pressure waves might be electrified. Electrified sound waves. Such a phenomenon would not be unexpected when high voltages were used. Perhaps he was fortunate enough to observe the rare phenomenon for the first time.

He asked questions. How and why did the charge jump out of the line in this strange manner? Here was a phenomenon, which was not described in any of the texts with which he was familiar. And he knew every written thing on electricity. Thinking that he was the victim of some subtle, and possibly deadly short circuit, he rigorously examined the circuit design. Though he searched, he could find no electrical leakages. There were simply no paths for any possible corona effects to find their way back into the switching ter?minal, which he held.

Deciding to better insulate the arrangement in order that all possible line leakages could be eradicated, he again attempted the experiment. The knife switch rapidly closed and opened, he again felt the unpleasant shock just as painfully as before. Right through the glass shield! Now he was perplexed. Desiring total distance from the apparatus, he modified the system once more by making it "automatic".

He could freely walk around the room during the test. He could hold the shield or simply walk without it. A small rotary spark switch was arranged in place of the hand-held knife switch. The rotary switch was arranged to inter?rupt the dynamo current in slow, successive intervals. The system was actu?ated, the motor switch cranked it contacts slowly. Snap ... snap ... snap ... each contact produced the very same room-filling irritation.

This time it was most intense. Tesla could not get away from the shocks, regardless of his distance from the apparatus across his considerably large gallery hall. He scarcely could get near enough to deactivate the rotating switch. From what he was able to painfully observe, thin sparks of a bright blue-white color stood straight out of the line with each electrical contact.

The shock effects were felt far beyond the visible spark terminations. This seemed to indicate that their potential was far greater than the voltage ap?plied to the line. A paradox! The dynamo charge was supplied at a tension of fifteen thousand volts, yet the stinging sparks were characteristics of electro?static discharges exceeding some two hundred fifty thousand volts. Some?how this input current was being transformed into a much higher voltage by an unknown process. No natural explanation could be found. No scientific explanation sufficed. There was simply not enough data on the phenomenon for an answer. And Tesla knew that this was no ordinary phenomenon. Somewhere in the heart of this activity was a deep natural secret. Secrets of this kind always opened humanity into new revolutions.......


.......Copper cylinders produced remarkable volumes of white discharges. The discharges from certain sized cylinders were actually larger than those being applied. This inferred that an energy transformation effect was taking place within the cylinder. This reminded him of his initial observation with the shock-excited wires. Those which did not explode gave forth far greater volt?ages than were initially used. He had never understood why this was occur?ring. Here was another instance in which applied energy was seemingly mag?nified by a conductor. Why was this happening?

The key to understanding this bizarre phenomenon might be found here, he thought. He observed the discharges from copper cylinders of various diameters. Each became edged with white brush discharges when held near or actually placed within the conductive copper strap of the impulser. The discharge effect was most pronounced when cylinders were placed within the periphery of the copper strap.

Tesla noticed that white corona sheaths were actually covering the outer cylinder wall at times. These would appear, build in strength, and disappear on sudden discharge with a surprising length. The sheathing action was re?petitive when the cylinder had a critically small volume. Very small cylinders behaved like rods, where discharges only appeared at their edges. The stabil?ity of these strange sheath discharges varied with cylinder diameter and length. Tesla noticed that not every cylinder performed well near the impulser. Only cylinders of specific volume produced stable and continuous white elec?trical sheaths. If the cylinders were too small, then the sheaths were intermit?tent and unstable. There was an obvious connection between the supplied impulse train and the cylinder volume. But what was it?

Tesla surveyed the entire range of his recent discoveries. Impulses produced a radiant electrical effect. Radiant electricity was mysteriously flow?ing through space. As it flowed, it focused over metal conductors as a white fluidic corona. When the shape and volume of the metal conductors were just right, the energy appeared as a stable white corona of far greater voltage than the impulse generator supplied. More questions. More discoveries. "

Now I'm not saying this is exactly what we are looking at but I think the Steven Mark device's mode of operating is more in line with this than traditional electro-magnetics.

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« Reply #205 on: June 11, 2006, 03:18:46 AM »
I think I now have a theory on how the Steven Mark TPU works:

The Theory

My theory is that it's based around a rotating electrostatic field. i.e. a Field of charges. A rotating field of charges by my understanding will generate a rotating magnetic field. Obviously the faster the rotation, the stronger the magnetic field and therefore the higher the voltage and current created in the output wires. I assume there is an output coil which the rotating magnetic field passes over. Given that this high intensity magnetic field could be rotating at 6kHz (360000 rpm!) that would induce a lot of power into the output coil.

A conductor when hit with a relatively high voltage square wave I think will exhibit a 'kick' but I think there is also another way of generating a 'kick'; more on this later.  I think this kick has a large electrostatic component. As per the tesla description this 'kick' has some unique characteristics. This is also supported by the electron field generator patent of Patrick Flanagen. I believe this kick is somehow connected to the ionesphere/earth's magnetic field.

I believe as long as the electrostatic field is maintained, the ionesphere will provide all the necessary electrostatic charge. Subsequent kicks will add to the electrostatic field and thus the magnetic field. Thus the idea of a jet turbine effect or the power winding up and winding down. I've also read some articles suggesting that electrostatic charges have intertia which would also explain the wind down effect.

How to get the electrostatic field rotating ?

I'm going to assume that when a 'kick' occurs in a wire, existing electrostatic charge will be repulsed away from the position in the wire where the 'kick' occurs. If a wire is laid in a circle and you can get the kicks to occur in rotation around the wire then you have rotation of 'kicks' and therefore rotation of the electrostatic fields etc.

I think if you generate two square waves of differing frequency and apply these to either end of the wire, you will have pulses that start at slightly differing times from each end of the wire and will 'slap' together at a certain point in the wire - creating the kick. If you have a 6khz difference in the frequencies then the slap point will move along the wire at 6khz. Since the wire is laid in a circle that gives rotation at 6khz. I also think the 'head' on collision aspect might alleviate the need for a high voltage in this part of the circuit ?

The circular wire should use litz wire. Litz wire is made up of many insulated fine copper wires. Ideal for high frequency applications. Each fine wire can contribute it's own 'kick'. This wire could be tightly coiled and laid in a circle or it could be just the wire laid in a circle. Surrounding this wire would be a dielectric material which allows electrostatic charge to move. Wound as a torroid around the insulating material would be the output coil. And surround the output coil would be another layer of insulator to further keep the electrostatic field within the toroid.

Driving Circuit for the Litz Wire

You'd use some sort of timer chip to generate each square wave frequency. Don't know if 555 timer chips would be suitable. These would drive via some totem pole ? style arrangement some power mosfets rated for 2x the max frequency. You'd want some circuitry to keep two high voltage capacitors charged up. It's these capacitors that are discharged to each end of the litz wire via the mosfets. You'd also need to isolate the two mosfets. The two small toroids would do this. This circuitry would be driven by batteries. A nine volt battery could last days if the square wave voltage doesn't have to be too high.

Sizing of TPU

The diameter of the TPU is probably critical. For the earth's magnetic field/ionesphere to connect up with the TPU probably requires some sort of resonance based on geometric size. Therefore best to use the values given in the video.


Steady State

I'm assuming a steady state will be achieved when electrostatic loses equal the electrostatic input via the kicks. If not, the unit will keep increasing in power and go into melt down. In this case to avoid meltdown a feedback mechanism to reduce the voltage of the pulses would be needed. Or perhaps adjust the voltage of the input square to a voltage that does allow a steady state.


Comment Please

So there you go. A theory which I reckon is worth investigating. Any comments or observations are most appreciated.

Where I really need some help is a specific circuit diagram to drive both ends of the litz wire.


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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #205 on: June 11, 2006, 03:18:46 AM »
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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #206 on: June 11, 2006, 02:36:43 PM »
Please locate a copy of 'The free Energy Secrets of Cold Electricity' (Video tape) a technical lecture by Peter Lindemann,Dsc. (Produced by Clear Tech Inc.)

The video contains some excelent research material on Radiant Energy and describes another invention which utilizes it -The work of E.V. Gray.

(Essentially E.V.Gray used a metal screen surrounding one electrode ('solid wire') of a spark discharger to pick up the radiant 'electrostatic' component.)

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #207 on: June 11, 2006, 07:21:53 PM »
I think I now have a theory on how the Steven Mark TPU works:

The Theory

My theory is that it's based around a rotating electrostatic field. i.e. a Field of charges. A rotating field of charges by my understanding will generate a rotating magnetic field. Obviously the faster the rotation, the stronger the magnetic field and therefore the higher the voltage and current created in the output wires. I assume there is an output coil which the rotating magnetic field passes over. Given that this high intensity magnetic field could be rotating at 6kHz (360000 rpm!) that would induce a lot of power into the output coil.

A conductor when hit with a relatively high voltage square wave I think will exhibit a 'kick' but I think there is also another way of generating a 'kick'; more on this later.  I think this kick has a large electrostatic component. As per the tesla description this 'kick' has some unique characteristics. This is also supported by the electron field generator patent of Patrick Flanagen. I believe this kick is somehow connected to the ionesphere/earth's magnetic field.

I believe as long as the electrostatic field is maintained, the ionesphere will provide all the necessary electrostatic charge. Subsequent kicks will add to the electrostatic field and thus the magnetic field. Thus the idea of a jet turbine effect or the power winding up and winding down. I've also read some articles suggesting that electrostatic charges have intertia which would also explain the wind down effect.

How to get the electrostatic field rotating ?

I'm going to assume that when a 'kick' occurs in a wire, existing electrostatic charge will be repulsed away from the position in the wire where the 'kick' occurs. If a wire is laid in a circle and you can get the kicks to occur in rotation around the wire then you have rotation of 'kicks' and therefore rotation of the electrostatic fields etc.

I think if you generate two square waves of differing frequency and apply these to either end of the wire, you will have pulses that start at slightly differing times from each end of the wire and will 'slap' together at a certain point in the wire - creating the kick. If you have a 6khz difference in the frequencies then the slap point will move along the wire at 6khz. Since the wire is laid in a circle that gives rotation at 6khz. I also think the 'head' on collision aspect might alleviate the need for a high voltage in this part of the circuit ?

The circular wire should use litz wire. Litz wire is made up of many insulated fine copper wires. Ideal for high frequency applications. Each fine wire can contribute it's own 'kick'. This wire could be tightly coiled and laid in a circle or it could be just the wire laid in a circle. Surrounding this wire would be a dielectric material which allows electrostatic charge to move. Wound as a torroid around the insulating material would be the output coil. And surround the output coil would be another layer of insulator to further keep the electrostatic field within the toroid.

Driving Circuit for the Litz Wire

You'd use some sort of timer chip to generate each square wave frequency. Don't know if 555 timer chips would be suitable. These would drive via some totem pole ? style arrangement some power mosfets rated for 2x the max frequency. You'd want some circuitry to keep two high voltage capacitors charged up. It's these capacitors that are discharged to each end of the litz wire via the mosfets. You'd also need to isolate the two mosfets. The two small toroids would do this. This circuitry would be driven by batteries. A nine volt battery could last days if the square wave voltage doesn't have to be too high.

Sizing of TPU

The diameter of the TPU is probably critical. For the earth's magnetic field/ionesphere to connect up with the TPU probably requires some sort of resonance based on geometric size. Therefore best to use the values given in the video.


Steady State

I'm assuming a steady state will be achieved when electrostatic loses equal the electrostatic input via the kicks. If not, the unit will keep increasing in power and go into melt down. In this case to avoid meltdown a feedback mechanism to reduce the voltage of the pulses would be needed. Or perhaps adjust the voltage of the input square to a voltage that does allow a steady state.


Comment Please

So there you go. A theory which I reckon is worth investigating. Any comments or observations are most appreciated.

Where I really need some help is a specific circuit diagram to drive both ends of the litz wire.



Hallo bob.diroto,

nice theory. But what about when he said that his device behaves similar to a radio reveiver?

Quote from: Steven Mark
OK let us compare this story of the common radio.
Think of the power unit as a device similar to a radio receiver. No I do not want to hear
feed back informing me that I am trying to convince the world my unit works on radio waves!!!.
But it behaves very much like a simple radio receiver except for the fact that radio waves need to
be amplified before
they can be of any use to us.
My units behave as though they are variable tuning devices, and we are tuning them to a frequency just
like a radio. The closer you get to the center frequency the more power you permit the collector to
dissipate into a load.
the important difference here is that in the case of the radio, you tune into the frequency and amplify it
for use. In the case of my power unit, you create several frequencies within a space of the collector coil's
circumference. The frequencies are directly related to the circumference of the collector coil. You can begin
to collect the current and dissipate it with no need for amplification because the signal source also becomes
the feed for the power source and has the natural tendency to run with gain.  It is important that you note
that you can never tune too closely to the exact frequencies of power conversion because the power received
by the collector will instantly destroy it. We instead must deliberately tune off the frequencies of
conversion in order to make the thing properly work. Remember that it is like a furnace which feeds itself.
The hotter it gets the more fuel it gives itself to burn. that is why the control units are so very important.
Without the control unit constantly monitoring the frequencies of operation and making the necessary changes
to keep the whole thing off exact conversion frequency, then the unit would very quickly destroy it's self.

Could it be that the two rings behaves like an antenna which are at the same time send and receive? But then is still the question how it comes to the rotating magnetic field.

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Norbert

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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #208 on: June 12, 2006, 05:31:02 AM »
Hi Norbert,

This turned out to be a bit of a brain dump/brain storming sessions and I've just put ideas down as they occured to me...

I take your point when Steven Mark says it acts like a radio receiver and I also think it is interesting that he said "several" which in normal use means more than 2 but not many.

Quote from Steven Mark
"In the case of my power unit, you create several frequencies within a space of the collector coil's
circumference. The frequencies are directly related to the circumference of the collector coil. You can begin to collect the current and dissipate it with no need for amplification because the signal source also becomes the feed for the power source and has the natural tendency to run with gain."

A simple model of a radio receiver is that you have a resonant LCR circuit which is set to resonate at the frequency you want to tune in to. The incoming radio waves resonate with the LCR circuit. You then extract the modulated signal from the incoming radio waves.

It is the 'kick' that extracts the excess 'electrostatic' energy. Tesla is very clear about this. The bigger the kick the more energy you get out. The more energy you put into creating the kick the more energy you get out. So this aspect satisfies the 'running with gain'.

Perhaps there is an optimum number of 'kicks' per second. The 'kick' causes the earth's Magnetic Field/Ionesphere (MF/I) to respond. If the MF/I pulsates or has a frequency then for optimum energy transfer you'd need to pulse at this frequency. Obvious contenders are schumanne resonance approx. 7.6Hz and ferrite resonance 173.75KHz.

Tesla also observed that certain metal solid shapes and volume optimised the energy transfer. To me this suggests some sort of standing wave in the solid. Which in turn suggests that this 'electrostatic' energy has a specific frequency. So perhaps we have an Ionesphere that pulses which in turn delivers electrostatic energy which pulses at it's own frequency as well. Hence the need for multiple frequencies. The number of 'kicks' per second must be correct but to collect you need another frequency set up as well ?

Now Steven Mark says "the frequencies are directly related to the circumference of the coil". What are the implications of this statement. If there is a wave which goes around the coil then for a standing wave you need the circumference to be a whole multiple of the wavelength of the frequency. So what comes first the frequency or the circumference ?!!

Working backwards from what we do know about the TPU. We know it suffers from eddy currents and excessive heat which in turn implies large moving magnetic fields (but not necessarily alternating). Given that Steven Mark has said the output is mainly DC with a small 6Khz A/C component this suggests the magnetic fields are not alternating but rotating in one direction over a toroidal wound conductor giving the main DC output.

For the 6KHz AC to be a small component of a large DC component this MUST have come from another source producing an alternating magnetic field that intersected the output coil.  I was originally thinking that you had to rotate the actual position where the  'kicks' are generated. But now I think Steven Mark's generates a small 6Khz rotating magnetic field which is used to rotate the electrostatic field. Rotating charges cause a rotating magnetic field. Correctly timed 'kicks' will cause the electrostatic field to build up, which in turn increases the rotating magnetic field and hence the output. Use some of the output to provide higher voltage 'kicks' and you have a positive gain situation happening.

So the 6Khz input magnetic field is like the LCR circuit of the radio which allows the conversions of the electrostatic energy into a much larger magnetic field which fits in with Steven Mark's idea that the principle is 'like a radio receiver'.

If we don't try to do any feedback of the energy then we can avoid the positive gain runaway situation that destroys equipment. It'll also be a much simpler design. This is now looking a lot more doable from an experimental point of view.


Proof of Concept


1. Get some equipment to generate some high voltage pulses which in turn fed into some litz wire will generate the kicks. I'm initially thinking ignition coil type of set up where we can alter the rate of 'kicks'.

2. Four normal coils with ferrite core to generate the small input rotating magnetic field. Input sine wave into 1 pair of coils, other coil driven via a parallel (or is it series ?) capacitor to give 90 degrees out of phase for the other pair. i.e. a simple two phase setup. As we're not trying to prove overunity in this proof of concept but just to prove that 'kicks' will increase a small rotating magnetic field into a larger rotating magnetic field we can rectify mains voltage down to 6-12volts AC sinewave and use this as the input sinewave.

3. Torroid coil around the circumference to collect the output.

Safety: Can we turn it off if unexpected excess energy appears ?
Answer: Yes, turn off the mains and the circuit doing the kicks.

I'm going to give this a whirl. Might take some time though.

Any comments appreciated.










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Re: The Master Of Magnetics "Steven Mark"
« Reply #209 on: June 12, 2006, 07:44:36 AM »
Perhaps we need to look smaller(in principal). What is the most widely accessible, and reproducable free energy device? We've all probably built and used several, and have them around the house.

A crystal radio. Expand the concept out to what we know about the marks device.

He was an audio engineer before this after all.

 

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