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Title: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on March 28, 2009, 09:21:55 PM
Hi.I saw a video on utube recently off a Bedini motor that only used 1 magnet and found it interesting so here is my version.
It is a standard Bedini circuit with a bifilar coil and core.The coil sits upright and i place a platic lid from a coffee jar on top.For a rotor i use one off those crazy magnets which are usually sold in pairs and make a loud noise when they attract each other.I have had the motor running today on 3 depleated 1,5v batteries which gave me 4.2v and once its going you can knock it down to 2 batteries.The combined voltage off my 2 batteries was 2.6v and it will start on 2 good ones.It will use 30mA on 3 batteries and and 17mA on 2.
This motor spins really fast at this low voltage and i have also run it off my joule thief and small solar panel and i even tried it on a 12v car battery and it sounded like a jet engine so i am going to stay with low voltage for the moment.
It will charge batteries but i have no imformation for you on this yet as i have been playing with it all day and having fun,it would make a really neat toy. ;D
Here are some pictures off it and a video. Regards jonnydavro.
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZitkVFG6Qj8
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: powercat on March 28, 2009, 09:57:21 PM
Never seen a dancing Bedini, very cool thinking ;D

cat
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on April 03, 2009, 06:23:44 PM
Hi, just an update.I have added a couple off pickup coils to recover some energy.I have some more coils so i will try adding them aswell.I just wanted to see if the spinning magnet would maintain it steady position in the presence off the pickup coils and it does.One other thing. Some thing i found interesting is i have quite a few off these crazy magnets and most off them have a slightly angular rotation around the vertical but i have one which spins completly upright.Out off the two,the angular rotation ones seem better for use with the pickup coils also this motor will run on a 1.5v battery at 6mA.This seems very low consumption.Does any one know off a really small solar cell that would power this?I have a 2.4 watt but that is overkill,there must be tiny ones which i could use hopefully. Anyway here is a vid off my motor with pickup's.Regards jonnydavro. ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glBlOTDxn44
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: lostcauses10x on April 03, 2009, 06:30:07 PM
now that is just fun. Great video.
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Michelinho on April 03, 2009, 06:34:22 PM
Hi jonnydavro,

It reminds me of Tesla's Columbus egg more than Bedini's motor. Nicely done, thanks for sharing.

Take care,

Michel

Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on April 11, 2009, 10:46:05 AM
Hi.Here is a replication from Xenomorph.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s18_kZBIOp0
I took some pics which show the crazy magnets pole orientation and a test i was doing with 8 pickup core's and a concave nonmagnetic lid.
@michelinho.Hi. ;DThe similarities between this and tesla's egg are only visual.The tesla egg is using 4 coils and lots off ac current.This uses 1 coil and dc.
                                                                          Regards Jonnydavro
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: brownsville on April 11, 2009, 09:23:03 PM
Great find Johnny!

Have you tried the same set up over your joule thief coil yet?

Really interested to find out the generated current and voltage coming from the pickup coils.

How many winds are in your Bidini Coil?

Would a coil like Lidmotors coil that went into self ossilation work as well?

I really have enjoyed all of your videos and am looking forward to more.

I happen to have an extra 2" ferrite torroid core and was wondering if using that as the core for a Bidini type wound coil would produce the same effect?

Great work.
Brownsville
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Lakes on April 11, 2009, 10:23:37 PM
I have some of those magnets, can we have some circuit and coil details please?

I`d build one just because it would look cool...

Thanks.

Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on April 12, 2009, 10:53:00 PM
@Brownsville.Hi and thanks.The pickup coils seem to be working quite well.In the small tests i have done so far each pickup coil should pickup at least 1v and i am planning on using 8.If i use one individualy it can pickup 3v,more if the magnet bumps into it.I am just deciding which type off magnet will produce the most consistent output..I don't know if you are aware i have one magnet which spins vertically like a balerina and another which spins at a slight angle to the verticle.The verticle one ,moves about a bit and the later one is very stable.I will have to do some more tests later in the week to see which way i am going to go.
My coil is 1:1.It is made from two 250gram spools of 26swg enamel wire.There is 170 meters off wire per 250grams and is wound bifilar.I think lidmotors coil would be fine for this.
Regarding your ferrite.I don't know is the answer.I would try it and see.
Thanks for your interest regards jonnydavro
 @Lakes.This motor is very easy to build.If you build a standard bedini circuit  and coil and add a 10k variable resistor and a  6v or 12v relay coil to the trigger circuit next to the 1k pot and then upend your coil.put a lid on it and give your magnet a spin.If you are not clear with out a circuit diagram,i will put one up later in the week if you need it.Regards jonnydavro
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Lakes on April 13, 2009, 12:39:36 AM
Thanks Jonny, I`ve not built one of these before, so a circuit diagram and details on the Bifilar winding would be appreciated.
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on April 14, 2009, 12:27:28 AM
Hi.Here is the circuit i am using.The relay i am using can be seen in the picture 2 posts above this one and if you look closely i am only using the relays coil.The way i made my coil was i bought two rolls of 26swg wire.each one had 250grams off wire on and was 170 meters long.I wound these onto a spool i got which had speaker wire on it.I made it like this as it is easy if you start off with the same lengh off wire for each winding and it seems to work good.The standard Bedini coil and lidmotors coil should work just as well as other people have replicated with different coils.It is important to put both variable resistors in.I have the 1k one turned right up to 1k and i just leave it alone and adjust the speed with the 10k pot so i could replace that with afixed resistor but your circuits may behave differently so you want this as a tuning option.Another benefit of adding the relay coil apart from reducing the amp draw is that you can recover bemf from it with a diode and cap.Hope this helps regards jonnydavro.
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on April 15, 2009, 11:29:45 PM
Hi.I forgot to put the bemf recovery from the relay coil in so here is the updated circuit.
                                                                                                             regards jonnydavro.
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: brownsville on April 16, 2009, 04:38:55 AM
@Xenomorph  what is going on in your last vid?

is the magnet needed at all or is the generation coming from the Bedini coil????

@jonnydavro thank you for the skematics and data....I am making an MK jt and will see if this coil can do the same thing with these magnets.
on the first video you picked up the top with the magnet spinning can the system be expanded vertically?

maybe a glass with another magnet above the first.
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on April 16, 2009, 09:52:10 AM
@Brownsville.That is an interesting idea.I will try it and let you know.Keep us posted if you have some results with the mkjt coil.
I don,t know if Xenomorph is a member off this forum.I will ask him or you could ask your questions on his utube vids.He is doing lots of  great work on this and his latest video's are very impressive.Here is are links to his latest video,s.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvALVL_Zjlk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuHzbRhkKIQ
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Lakes on April 16, 2009, 10:23:54 AM
Thanks for the diagram, whats the value of the relay coil caps?
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on April 16, 2009, 11:21:22 AM
@Lakes.No problem.The caps i used were 1000uf.Regards jonnydavro
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Pirate88179 on April 16, 2009, 12:31:15 PM
Jonny:

I really think you are on to something here.  My magnets have arrived and I will be attempting to replicate your device.  I have wound another lidmotor transformer coil identical to the one I am using on my Bedini.  Thanks for posting your schematics as I am sure that will help me.  As you know, I am also going to attempt the levitation experiment once/if I replicate your set-up.  Keep up your good work and experiments, you are an inspiration to a lot of us here.

Bill
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: xenomorphlabs on April 16, 2009, 02:35:10 PM
Hello,
nice to see that some more people are expressing interest in this stunning experiment that jonnydavro has come up with.

@brownsville:

Quote
What is going on in the video?

Well i originally tried to restrict the movement by putting a cardboard-ring of approx 4cm diameter around the magnet. Then i came to the idea to slam some wire onto that ring to make use of the magnet´s motion like jonny has been trying with his pickup-coils.

So i have made an aircore coil using a 3,8 cm diameter cardboard-ring of some isolation tape and put
700-800 turns of AWG #32 copper wire on there (about 14 Layers, with each layer the number of turns you can put on there diminishes a bit, well and i suck at making coils hehe)

Then i connected the coil to a bridge rectifier and a 10uF/35V cap and measured the voltage.
First i put the ring around the magnet and got a reading of 5 Volts which was good already.
Then i put the aircore coil orthogonally next to the magnet and the reading went up to 20-22V !

Quote
is the magnet needed at all or is the generation coming from the Bedini coil?

The magnet IS needed, the voltage reading in the video is mainly the induced voltage as a consequence of the magnet´s movement in the aircore-coil.
This setup has two purposes.
The first would be the normal Bedini application, where you charge a battery off the transistor´s collector with the radiant.
The second is to use the magnet´s motion to generate additional electricty and capture that.

Here i explain the way the aircore coil was made, if someone wants to replicate it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQdBIAR38_Q

Good Luck,
Xenomorph
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on April 16, 2009, 11:44:07 PM
Hi.I have today tested the bemf recovery from the relay coil and also Xenomorph's aircore coil and can confirm his findings.I tested with both the angular spinning magnet and the verticle spinner and think the verticle spinner is the better of the two.The verticle spinner seems uneffected by the coil but the angular spinner slows down.Here is a video off the test.
Regards jonnydavro
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ywz0T8JNrs0
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Pirate88179 on April 17, 2009, 12:03:09 AM
Jonny:

Fantastic!  In theory, could you not add 1 or 2 more air core pick-up coils?  This is a lot of output man, good going. Xenomorph's coil idea is incredible.  I wonder if John Bedini has seen any of this yet?

Bill
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on April 17, 2009, 12:20:00 AM
Hi Bill.I think you can add more pickup's quite easily and i will be doing exactly that to see.I was thinking about four in a square to start with.
Your right,The output of Xenomorph's aircore's is amazingly high and easy to make.I think this is the way to go with this setup.Regards  jonnydavro
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: xenomorphlabs on April 18, 2009, 06:45:09 PM
I have just finished a 2nd air-core pickup coil and it works great together with the first one.
Looks like the energy capturing of this setup is only limited by how many you coils can get close to the magnet  ;)

Video of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaY2Yalhris
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: gyulasun on April 18, 2009, 10:34:41 PM
I have just finished a 2nd air-core pickup coil and it works great together with the first one.
Looks like the energy capturing of this setup is only limited by how many you coils can get close to the magnet  ;)

Video of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaY2Yalhris


Hi,

Thanks for this nice video and would like you to put a relatively heavy load (like a 3V or a 6V or a 12V incandescent lamp of a few watts onto the pick up coils to see any Lenz law effect to develop or not?  I mean is there any input current increase when you put the loads onto the pickup coils.

Thanks,  Gyula

PS: Recently I wrote a suggestion to your Relay Switch Capacitor Experiment video because I think that setup still has some inherent secrets...  so whenever you have the time later please consider it.

Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: xenomorphlabs on April 19, 2009, 01:30:07 PM
@gyulasun :

Thanks for your input. You have been telepathically present with what i just tried to do.

I have connected a 1.5 V rechargable battery to see if it would charge and it does charge, BUT
like you assumed the magnet slows down, so i had to adjust the transistor input resistance.
I will test it with another load (lamp) like you said later.

I think the best way to make use of the pickup coils is to integrate them into a timed capacitor
discharge circuit, so the magnets movement wont be affected constantly but only for a short time frame when the cap is being discharged.
As long as the energy is being just put into capacitors without further loads, the magnet still spins fast.

I have responded to your comment concerning the relay switch capacitor experiment on the respective youtube page
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: gyulasun on April 19, 2009, 01:56:41 PM
@gyulasun :
....
I have connected a 1.5 V rechargable battery to see if it would charge and it does charge, BUT
like you assumed the magnet slows down, so i had to adjust the transistor input resistance.
I will test it with another load (lamp) like you said later.
...

Hi,

Thanks for the infos,   you mean on adjusting the transistor input resistance as allowing a higher collector current to flow?
This would mean some more input power than was taken in the unloaded pick up coils case, you mean this, right?

Thanks for the comments also on your relay switch caapacitor video, will go there later.

Regards, Gyula
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Pirate88179 on April 19, 2009, 08:25:31 PM
Jonny:

I have not been able to successfully replicate your device as of yet.  I wired it up twice and still can not get or maintain rotation.  I am using an iron core now made up of nails (same as my Bedini) and Lidmotor's coil design (same as my Bedini).  Maybe I have to much resistance to the base?  I am using a 330 ohm base resistor and on my other Bedini I used 460.  I have a 5k pot in series with the base resistor.  I have tried moving my core from the top down in small increments to no avail.  My coil sings when I try to get the magnet to rotate but....no dice.  Any thoughts?  I am using 2 rechargeable 9v nicads so i should have enough juice.  Thanks.

Bill
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: xenomorphlabs on April 19, 2009, 08:47:24 PM
I have connected the 3rd aircore coil and put it into a cap that itself powers a 555 timing circuit.
The circuit runs unstable and keeps resetting itself probably due to the varying input voltage.
Once any of the coils is under load then the magnet slows down and the 10k pot resistance at the transistor base needs to be lowered allowing a higher base current to push the magnet harder.

So i conclude that putting a constant load behind the pickup coils is inefficient due to the increase in power consumption of the primary circuit.

Tapping off the energy from the caps once every 2 seconds or so with a timing cap discharge circuit will hopefully keep the magnets rotational speed up and still allow decent pickup-coil battery charging.

Now i need to find such a circuit that works with this application.

I am trying to get this to work (attachment):
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: xenomorphlabs on April 19, 2009, 08:50:49 PM
Bill: I have the same trouble starting the rotation. What helps me is to lower the 10k pot resistance to nearly zero, then there is enough power in the coil to kick the magnet. Once it is stable, turn the resistance up again or it will lift off  ;D
Hope that helps you
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on April 19, 2009, 09:03:40 PM
@pirate.Hi Bill.Try Xenomorph's sugestion as mine is exactly the same and if no luck Can you try swapping the 380 for a 100ohm and use 2 variable resistors,a 1k and a 10k.Try this and we will go from there but we will get you going.
@Xenomorph.Those load tests show that mr lenz is alive and well so we will have to give some thought to the best way to utilise the coil outputs and i see you have already made a start.Nice.Regards jonnydavro
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: gyulasun on April 20, 2009, 12:17:14 AM
I have connected the 3rd aircore coil and put it into a cap that itself powers a 555 timing circuit.
The circuit runs unstable and keeps resetting itself probably due to the varying input voltage.
Once any of the coils is under load then the magnet slows down and the 10k pot resistance at the transistor base needs to be lowered allowing a higher base current to push the magnet harder.

So i conclude that putting a constant load behind the pickup coils is inefficient due to the increase in power consumption of the primary circuit.

Tapping off the energy from the caps once every 2 seconds or so with a timing cap discharge circuit will hopefully keep the magnets rotational speed up and still allow decent pickup-coil battery charging.

Now i need to find such a circuit that works with this application.

I am trying to get this to work (attachment):

Hi,

Thanks for the update.  I agree with a periodic discharge of a puffer capacitor, this method surely presents a much less load to the main energy source: the battery feeding the transistor.

If you could obtain the CMOS version of the 555 timer like LMC555CN ( National Semiconductor) or TLC555 (Texas Instr.) then the current consumption of your above proposed circuit would drop from 8-9mA of the NE555 to under 1mA, this may also count. Also the resistor R3 (you show it as 100 Ohm) could be raised in value into a few  kOhm range, usually the opto diodes work with 5-10mA forward current, now the 100 Ohm forces about 100mA peaks from 12V. 
I mention these simply to economize on input power whereever it is possible.

rgds,  Gyula
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: xenomorphlabs on April 20, 2009, 03:07:16 AM
@gyulasun :

Your input is very valuable, always good to see circuits analysed by someone with a profound electrotechnical background.

I have just quickly drawn the circuit also forgetting about more proper timing resitor values.
Your kOhm suggestion for R3 is the way to go to properly limit the current into the diode. Should i limit the voltage across the diode too (with a zener or voltage divider) ? With a 12v supply current, pin 3 would probably carry around 10 Volt to that opto-diode and right now i am not sure if that is too much for the diode.

I have just chained the 3 capacitors going to each coil together in series and with a 4th coil, i am just getting considerate of maybe even attempting to neon pulse the whole thing since this would easily reach the ignition voltage of a neon.

I will try both variants for sure.

Thanks again!

EDIT: 4 coils in action, up to 75 Volt, neon doesnt fire yet, guess i will have to go above 85 volt or so.
video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vi31N8h7DkA
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on April 20, 2009, 09:44:45 AM
@Xenomorph.Your work on this project has been amazing.Keep going your on a roll.
Regarding your idea about neon pulsing,maybe you could add a voltage doubling rectifier.This may take you above the discharge voltage.Regards jonnydavro
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: gyulasun on April 20, 2009, 09:50:44 AM
@xenomorphlabs

Hi,

No need for limiting the 555 output voltage at pin 3 for the opto diode,  yes it is about 10V pulse that drives the diode and peak current is determined by R3, (10V/R3).   (I did not check the timing resistor value... lol  :) )

Well,  if the goal is finding any extra output, i.e higher than input power,  then I would suggest connecting the output DC voltages of the 4 puffer capacitors in parallel via low voltage drop diodes to enhance current load capacity and build or use a DC-DC converter which receives the parallel outputs and converts them into a 10 or 12V stabilized DC, with ground independence, to replace the presently used main 12V battery.  If such a setup would be able to supply 70-80mA @ 10-12V continuously from (the chopped) 4 (or more?) puffer capacitors then you could loop it back for a self runner setup.  (A good DC-DC converter has a higher than 90% efficiency, so it would not be a big waste.)

When you use a neon for a load then it will draw current above its ON voltage, below it nothing, so most of the stored energy of the capacitors will remain inside them...   I mean what do you learn when a neon is ON in this setup? It cannot show overunity...?

With this 'rambling' I do not wish to get you sidetracked from what you really wish to do, of course.  The bottom line is you reach your goal.

rgds,  Gyula
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: xenomorphlabs on April 20, 2009, 02:45:01 PM
@Gyula:

Would the DC/DC converter beat Lenz law? I mean the timed discharge only affects the magnets motion
during the short time that the cap is connected to the battery.

By low voltage drop diodes, do you mean germanium diodes with 0.3 volt?

I will give it a try for sure. Your suggestion sounds interesting !

Concerning the neon. If i am not mistaken, people have been using neons to send short pulses of energy to batteries due to the fact that at the ignition voltage the neon conducts for a short time while dropping in voltage until the ignition voltage is reached again. I understand that as a simple timed discharge tool.

There is many possibilities here, which is good.
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: brownsville on April 20, 2009, 03:19:14 PM
Jonny,

I had the same problem as Bill, I redid the entire coil once and rewired everything twice and still couldn't get it up! Thought it was a size problem ;D.

The coil is again torn down - it was the lidmotor version. I tried AA - 2 AA and a 12 volt source with a voltage regulator. Although the lowest it goes is 3.5 volt.

I guess I got too frustrated and am going to rebuild. Need to wait and see if Bill can get one going.

Brownsville
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: gyulasun on April 20, 2009, 03:20:33 PM

Would the DC/DC converter beat Lenz law? I mean the timed discharge only affects the magnets motion
during the short time that the cap is connected to the battery.   

No, of course not, a DC-DC converter cannot beat Lenz at the input, nor anywhere.
I agree with what you mean on the timed discharge but a timed discharge of the parallel caps (whose positive input wires include a series diode each) may reduce the continuous load that otherwise would be normally present. The timed discharge of the parallel capacitors could be done with one further switch (a MOSFET) just during the time when the charge phase of the capacitors is just off (simply inverse the same pulse to control this 2nd switch)

Quote
By low voltage drop diodes, do you mean germanium diodes with 0.3 volt?

Yes, but Ge has 0.1-0.2V drop, Schottky has 0.2-0.3V drop,  this diode question would be important only if you have to fight for the last few milliWatts to save for to get a selfrunner, lol...   use normal Si diodes here if you wish.

Quote
Concerning the neon. If i am not mistaken, people have been using neons to send short pulses of energy to batteries due to the fact that at the ignition voltage the neon conducts for a short time while dropping in voltage until the ignition voltage is reached again. I understand that as a simple timed discharge tool.


Yes, ok I misunderstood you.  I thought you want to use a neon for lighting indications as a load and not for triggering, sorry.

rgds,  Gyula
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on April 21, 2009, 01:03:39 AM
@Brownsville.Hi.Are you using a 1k pot and a 10k pot and a 100ohm resistor in your trigger circuit?
Are you using a core?
This is my starting procedure.
1. turn 1k pot to 1000 ohms and then leave alone
2.Turn 10k pot to 0 ohms.
3.Spin the magnet.when it is up to speed all speed adjustments are made with the 10k pot
Also i would try running on straight 12v until you get it going.Let me know how you get on.

@All I have tonight done a test on the 40swg pickup coil at 12v so it will be comparable with the output off Xenomorphs pickup coil and the results were quite surprising.The verticle Magnet is spinning so fast and zooming about at 12v and the output was over 47v and still climbing.At one stage it was over 50v and climbing.There seems to be no effect on the magnets speed from the pickup coil.
I did the same test with the angular spinning magnet at that goes up to 48v but the coil has an effect on this magnet and slows it so i think the verticle is the way to go.
Here is a pic off the test.Regards jonnydavro
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: xenomorphlabs on April 21, 2009, 01:55:28 AM
The optocoupler circuit works nicely to discharge the puffer capacitors.
I connected two pairs in parallel. The timing of the 555 needs to be improved still.

Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6qGvHUPbsY

@gyulasun : Good idea, that way the battery is never connected to the pickup-coils and lenz effects are minimized. I will go ahead and make a MOSFET circuit.

Jonnydavros aircore coils seem to reach higher voltages than mine.
For comparison, i have used 900 turns of 0,2mm copper wire on a 3,6cm diameter spool

The voltage is measured across a 10uF/35 V capacitor.

Can anyone here make a statement about detrimental effects of a too high turncount?
Generally more turns result in higher voltages, but where is the limit at which the resistance of the wire becomes too big (3000+ turns ?)

We want to optimize the aircore coils to pickup the maximal amount of energy
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Pirate88179 on April 21, 2009, 06:40:48 AM
Jonny,

I had the same problem as Bill, I redid the entire coil once and rewired everything twice and still couldn't get it up! Thought it was a size problem ;D.

The coil is again torn down - it was the lidmotor version. I tried AA - 2 AA and a 12 volt source with a voltage regulator. Although the lowest it goes is 3.5 volt.

I guess I got too frustrated and am going to rebuild. Need to wait and see if Bill can get one going.

Brownsville

@ All:

Good news!  I have rotation!  I am using the standard Bedini SSG circuit and Lidmotor's transformer coil.  I swapped my 330 ohm resistor for a 100 ohm base resistor (Thanks Jonny!!!) and kept the 5k ohm pot. (single)  I also experimented by moving my core up and down and when I got to about .250" below the surface (1/4") that sucker took off and stood up like you would not believe.  You guys are correct in that you have to reduce resistance right away or that thing takes off for parts unknown!!!!

I am now working on making a better surface for it to rotate on.  I have already destroyed several tupperware bowls in this effort.  I am heating them with a mirco torch and pushing a softball in the to the bottm while it is suspended over another ceramic concave bowl.  This has not worked so far.  I will think of something.  Once I get a better surface, I will produce a video.  It spins....and very, very fast and when it stands up, it is wandering to much and God only knows what happens a minute or so after that.

But, the good news is that Lidmotor's coil and the other stuff works just fine to get this thing running.  Thanks to everyone for all of their help especially Jonny.  Once I get it stabilized, I will enter into other experiments.

Thank you,

Bill
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: gyulasun on April 21, 2009, 11:09:31 AM
@xenomorphlabs

Here is a link on multilayer air core coil calculation: http://www.circuits.dk/calculator_multi_layer_aircore.htm

It also deals with the problem of choosing the optimum geometry to get the highest self inductance from a given length of wire, see the Brooks coil text at the bottom of the link.  An online calculator for Brooks coils is here:
http://www.nessengr.com/techdata/brooks/brooks.html

Others also studied this problem before Brooks and the conclusion was: "There is indeed a “magic value” of coil length to coil radius, which, for a given length of wire, results in maximum inductance. The resulting value of maximum inductance depends upon the wire length, but the ratio is independent of it. The ratio determined from Wheeler’s simple formula is exactly 0.9, that from his more complicated formula approximately 0.814. The maxima is broad."

( quoted from this link: http://www.phy.auckland.ac.nz/Staff/geb/Inductance%20Problem.pdf )   So I think the second link on Brooks calculator is enough for this problem,  by the way your coils seen in the videos may already near to the optimal shape?


Jonnydavros seems to use thinner wire for his coils so his number of turns hence self inductance is higher this explains his received higher induced voltage. 

If a thin wire diameter is used, the induced voltage increases for sure but the copper loss also increases. The strange thing to notice is that the higher copper resistance seems to reduce the Lenz effect but in reality the loading current gets limited by the higher coil resistance, this reducing loading effect makes you believe Lenz is getting defeated....

rgds,  Gyula
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: xenomorphlabs on April 21, 2009, 02:37:20 PM
@Gyula: Your info is EXACTLY what we need to know ! Thanks so much for your input here !!!

I agree that the shape of my coils might be close to ideal. I will just make some with more turns now.

With the helpful calculator i could verify that jonnydavro reaches a 364 % higher inductance with his coil setup than the ones i made. (I had to guesstimate his coil specs though, because he has no data of it)

6313.06 uH as opposed to 23022.46 uH

Well i will stick to SWG 40 (AWG 36-38) for now. Everything thinner is too much of a hazzle hehe.

I once made a 4000 turn JT-toroid with AWG 43 wire and it didnt work, too easy to rupture it i guess.

It seems that we have to find out experimentally what the maximum affordable copper losses are trying out different coils.


Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: brownsville on April 21, 2009, 04:19:00 PM
@JonnyDavro - Thanks for the help and info...will rebuild tonight...coil anyway. BTW are you a Doctor Who fan?

Now that Bill has done it with the Lidmotor coil I will git-r-done...I hope. ;D

Thanks again.

Brownsville
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on April 21, 2009, 11:29:46 PM
@pirate.Thats good news Bill.Try putting the relay in when you get a moment and don't forget to recover the bemf.Your core is in about the same position as mine.Can't wait to see that beast spinning. ;)
@Brownsville.Thats the spirit,never give up.You will get it going and yes i like dr who. ;)
@Gyulasun.Thanks for posting that link.It may help me bring a more scientific approach to the way i make my pickups.Regards jonnydavro
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: xenomorphlabs on April 21, 2009, 11:45:12 PM
Little update:

I use bigger puffer capacitors now to dump into the battery.
Also a different lid that allows a more stable rotation of the magnet.

Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFqayiEQpGs

I am wondering if it is wiser to just use one big cap and connect the 4 bridge rectifiers to it ?

Gyula, what would you think is a parallel or serial connection of the rectifiers charging the cap more efficiently?

Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Pirate88179 on April 23, 2009, 04:41:04 AM
@ Jonny and all:

Here is a short video of my replication attempt: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxiMZAuRJJM


I still have a stability problem, as you can see in the video.  I am using a 103ohm base resistor and one pot is 5k and the other is 2k.  I crank the resistance up to start it and then quickly turn it down.  In this video I have it down all the way and it still gets too wild to control.  Once in a while, it will settle in to a stable spin but then, it begins the wobble that you see.  In a day or two, I will go out and get the pots that Jonny used and go from there.

Thanks again for the help, there is more to do but at least I have rotation and it stands up...just not straight.

Bill
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: xenomorphlabs on April 23, 2009, 04:54:49 AM
Bill: Nice that you get the rotation going. Its a good start.

In my opinion the rotation is much too slow. It will actually stabilizeand stay in the center with a faster rotation, that i usually get with the 10k pot all the way down. But you are saying that you have used a low resistance.
Hmm, have your tried a higher battery voltage? What are you running at? if you are not doing so already, i think at 12 V it should run much faster i am sure.
What is your core material?

Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Pirate88179 on April 23, 2009, 05:08:53 AM
@ xenomorphlabs:

My core material is a group of iron nails cut to fit inside and I made a mold out of another empty core and poured epoxy inside.  (I used vaseline for a mold release) Once it cured, I can now slide this core into any other coil as needed and it can be easily adjusted . In this set-up, the core is recessed about .250" from the top surface. I am using 9 volts to power it.  I was thinking of borrowing one of my large 12 volt bats from my other Bedini project just to see if it would crank it up straighter.  I was getting very high speed when just using a flat surface but it wandered around too much and now it sits on a coffee can lid that is glued to the bottom of a wine glass to give it a slight conical (concave) shape. (The white foam plate around the edge is just for saving the magnet when it falls off, it does not touch the spinning area at all)  I may be better off just going back to the flat surface.  It actually stood up a lot straighter and made a high pitch as it was really turning.  I will play with it and see.  Thanks for your help.

Bill
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Pirate88179 on April 23, 2009, 06:27:07 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgO3503GIxc

Above is my 2nd attempt.  I switched to a flat platform again and, since my 9 volts need recharging, I used a 12 volt battery.  This time it was spinning very fast and I had it tuned so it would be as slow as possible but it was still flying.  I still had the "X" wobble even when I cranked it up.  This is much better and I will get the right components (pots) and work on it some more.  Thanks.  (This magnet spinning was very loud and you can barely hear me in the video)

Bill
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: xenomorphlabs on April 23, 2009, 01:47:19 PM
Bill: It is impossible to see from this video, but you can check if the edge of your magnet is round or if maybe part of it is broken off. Jonnydavro and myself had a pair of magnets where one of them had the side slightly unrounded and that results in the tumbling "X" movement.
I explain that in my first vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s18_kZBIOp0

Maybe try another one of these "snake eggs".

The rotation speed is good now, you can go from there nicely !

Regards,
Xenomorph


Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on April 23, 2009, 08:04:34 PM
Hi.Today i tried adding a slave coil to see what would happen if i pulsed the magnet from both ends.The results were the rpm's seem to be higher and the pitch/sound off the motor increased but this would need checking with a tachometer.Here is a pic and a vid.Regards jonnydavro
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jx-atFOp2Ds
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Pirate88179 on April 23, 2009, 08:32:05 PM
Bill: It is impossible to see from this video, but you can check if the edge of your magnet is round or if maybe part of it is broken off. Jonnydavro and myself had a pair of magnets where one of them had the side slightly unrounded and that results in the tumbling "X" movement.
I explain that in my first vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s18_kZBIOp0

Maybe try another one of these "snake eggs".

The rotation speed is good now, you can go from there nicely !

Regards,
Xenomorph


Thank you.  Jonny mentioned this to me in a youtube message.  I am going to look for some locally today.  My ends are very blunt and, upon very close examination, are not entirely symmetrical.  No chips or damage.....yet but with these speeds it is only a matter of time, ha ha.  I think I fixed most of my problem by removing the concave surface that, due to the wineglass bottom form, put the surface about a half inch above the top of my coil.  Now with this plate, it is only about .050" above it.  That, and the 12 volts, gave me my speed back.  Thanks for the tips and the help.

Really stupid question here:  Has anyone attempted (you might have to be stupid to try this) to get 2 of these running on the same surface at the same time?  You would think they would just cling together but....their poles are moving so fast...they might not.  of course, this might cause a catastrophic accident but....I may have to try this later.

@ Jonny:

Great idea for the top slave coil man.  I am assuming this operates from the same transistor and circuit as the original coil? (Otherwise, I don't see how it could be synchronized.)  You keep coming up with these ideas...I can't keep up with you.  keep it up.

Bill


Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: xenomorphlabs on April 23, 2009, 09:01:08 PM
@Bill: I had the same insane idea. I guess someone needs to build a 2nd unit and speed the magnet up with 2nd unit and then carefully drop it onto the other dancefloor and then observe if its love at first sight  ;D

I envisioned a catastrophic result too. It can be either boosting the experiment enormously or make them sing like never heard before :D

It seems like all a matter of phase, if two opposing pole sides get close then they will attract, in other case they will push each other away. But there is the circular movement still, so this might push them into a faster rotation or whirl them away from each other.

I am sure some nut will try this one day  ;)

Edit: I am just thinking that Jonny could try this with his slave coil to speed a 2nd magnet up and then somehow drop it to the first magnets lid ? But please make a video of it! :D

EDIT2: I had to do it. I made a little test. When one magnet is rotating the attraction seems to be not that strong. However they were in a 90 degress axial offset.

Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6BIsW_5G60

EDIT3: This is a possible way to separate the magnets from sticking together . All in case there is a potential advantage in using 2 magnets at all. I feel it could just double the amp-draw if it works at all.
But who knows hehe
 Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW8Op6qVAOo
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: gyulasun on April 24, 2009, 12:01:03 AM
Little update:

I use bigger puffer capacitors now to dump into the battery.
Also a different lid that allows a more stable rotation of the magnet.

Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFqayiEQpGs

I am wondering if it is wiser to just use one big cap and connect the 4 bridge rectifiers to it ?

Gyula, what would you think is a parallel or serial connection of the rectifiers charging the cap more efficiently?



Hi,

I think you will have less forward voltage drop (hence less loss in the output) if you use the bridges in parallel.
( In case of the series connection, the diode voltage drops would be three times as much I think. )

If you wish to increase the output voltage by summing up the 4 voltages, then you would have to use 4 separate puffer capacitors at each diode bridge's output and connect these capacitors in series.

rgds,  Gyula
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on April 25, 2009, 01:40:59 PM
@Bill.The "X"magnet thing is definitely a geometry thing.Some of my magnets are misshaped and not entirely symetrical.These are the "X "spinners but they are very stable so you want both types really to test different things.You just have to buy lots or be very choosy when you go to buy them.
I was looking at your last vid and if you get a good magnet it will stand up for sure as your coil seems to be working fine.One thing i would do though is i would try running on plastic.I use a coffee jar Lid and on top of that i put a thin clear plastic lid.The results are the magnet spins really fast and just makes a whine like a jet engine.You will find it a more pleasant experience and performance may increase as you get a bouncing effect from the hard glass surface as well as the noise.You may have to use two hands to start it as you may not be able to with one hand.You can see the lid i am refering to in the attached vid.
Regarding my slave coil.I am using the standard Bedini master and slave setup so the slave triggers at exactly the same time as the master so there is no conflict there regarding sync. ;)
@ All.Today i tested Comwarrior69's idea of using a darlington transistor instead of an npn and the results were quite interesting.I could get the magnet to maintain rotation on 3mA at 2.9V which is the lowest current draw i have had on a bedini to date.I also found that i could not get as high rpms as i can with an npn so i have asked Comwarrior if he has any suggestions on that.
The transistor i used for this test was a TIP 120.
Here is a vid of the test.Regards jonnydavro.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp9dWb-XeYc

Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Pirate88179 on April 25, 2009, 11:40:50 PM
@ Jonny:

Thanks for the info on the X wobble.  I have not been able to find any local supplier here in town.  These thing used to be all over the place, but I went to like 10 stores and no one had them.  I may have to order more from online which is where I got the first 2.

I am using plastic for my surface.  That is a plastic dinner plate.  It has a very flat (for plastic anyway) and smooth almost polished surface without any defects.  I can find a way to quiet it down once I get it where I want to be.  In my second video, I have everything turned down...I started to open it up a little just to see if it straightened out with higher rpm and it did not, but it really, really got faster and even though I turned the pots back, it just kept going.  I was afraid in that X spinning mode, it can't take this really high rpm so I had to quickly unplug the battery.  My cat, of course, thought we were under attack from some unknown enemy and ran to hide under the bed.  It is hard to get good lab assistants these days, ha ha.

I think you are exactly right about the symmetry, or lack thereof, as being the defining factor in how these will spin.  Later, I will try errout's advice and mark my ends so I can try the other ends of each mag.  He said he has one that spins exactly like mine on one end, but perfectly straight on the other.  That one sounds like the ideal experimental magnet.  Thanks Jonny.

Bill
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Pirate88179 on April 26, 2009, 05:46:38 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGcCX0ufZxQ

Above is a link to a youtube video I did just to see if I could get a cylindrical neo magnet to spin on this device.  As you will see, it spins very well.

Bill
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: xenomorphlabs on April 26, 2009, 06:05:58 PM
@Bill: I dont know if this was mentioned here before, but have you tried toy stores to find the snake eggs?
I have run around the city too to find them until i had the idea to ask in a toy store that has all kinds of weird souvenirs and stuff like this. Maybe you can find them there.

Cool idea with the cylindrical neos. Lol i am even sure one could get a squared magnet also to rotate  ;)

Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: gyulasun on April 26, 2009, 11:54:33 PM
Hi Folks,

Maybe you could embed a cube or indeed a cylinder magnet into the inside bottom of a half sphere like a half ping-pong ball?

This way the noise could also be reduced.

rgds,  Gyula
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Pirate88179 on April 27, 2009, 01:34:01 AM
gyulasun:


Interesting idea.  I was trying to come up with something similar but not exactly.  Last night, I ordered some neo spheres of different sizes just to see how fast I can get them going.  They may not, probably won't be, very stable but....what the heck.

Xenomorphlabs:

That is a good idea about the toy stores.  I have already checked every one in town including Toys R Us.  I am sure there are some here somewhere in a drug store or some such place.  these used to be all over the place but, now that I want them....you know, Murphy's law and all.  Thanks for the idea.

Bill
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: brownsville on April 28, 2009, 01:22:52 AM
Jonnydavro - I finally got the magnet spinning and checked a 30 guage off the shelf 200 foot spool to see what kind of generation I could get - .7 volt AC up to 2.1 volt depending on if the magnet was stationary in the middle or if it was moving out around the perimeter. The highest readings came when the magnet contacted the edge of the spool.

I tried to add a second tier and get another magnet spinning - did not make it but the first magnet increased speed to where it ended up breaking the glass jar I used. Today I tried a smaller - all plastic - jar - got the same increase in speed as soon as the second magnet was removed. I think this can be done but the top of the next layer needs to very close to the top of the first magnet. The jar I tried today was still too much higher. The upper mag seemed really close to taking off a number of times.

Here is a video of the first try. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y60gRRh3jaM   SORRY ABOUT THE CAMERA ANGLE. First time.

I need to find out where to put the probes to check my power consumption on the Bedini circuit. Please help.

The second plastic jar was a bullion container and it worked really well. I was able to make a number of changes that made it quieter. When the mag picked up speed and bumped into the side it actually accelerated even more...I am not sure that the jar helps at all though as far as the pick-up coils were concerned. It placed the coils too far away from the magnet most of the time.

Thanks for all of the suggestions to get this one going. If I can do it I am pretty sure just about anyone can.

Brownsville 
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Pirate88179 on April 28, 2009, 04:46:40 AM
brownsville:

Good for you for not giving up.  Way to go!  Not knowing any better, I would say that the place to check the power consumption on your circuit, is to put you test leads in the circuit (series) at the point it goes to the coil.  Please don't quote me on this but, I do believe the part about the meter being "in the circuit" is correct.  It feels good once you get something spinning does it not?  Good job!

Bill
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: brownsville on April 28, 2009, 03:37:10 PM
Bill, It certainly does feel good. The wife was really giving me a hard time about the time and money, etc... :-*

I took the 200 foot spool of 30 guage and since there was a portion of the core hanging below the drive coil I put the coil on top and inserted the extra core. I checked the voltage and was getting a steady 0.1 volts.

Thanks for the advice on the probe placement.

I had gotten 10 of the snake mags and have tried most of them. Each one spins up differently. I also found that the small lid is much harder to get the mag up and spinning.

BTW I am using the Lidmotor coil.

Brownsville
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on April 28, 2009, 11:03:50 PM
@ Brownsville.Glad to hear you got it going and can join in the fun.Nice video,some strange camera angles but nice just the same.I would stay clear of glass though.
I know what you mean about the snake eggs having different spin characteristics but you want to have both a verical spinner and a good X spinner so you can do different things.
Keep us posted on your experiments as i see you have done a few interesting things already.
                                                                                                                          Regards jonnydavro
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: brownsville on April 29, 2009, 03:00:46 AM
@jonnydavro,

I got a second magnet to stan d up and spin. I held a lid about 3 feet away from the coil and spinning magnet and about 2 feet higher than the top of the spinning magnet. No iron core - tried a bolt but it didn't seem to make any difference. It was very unsteady (me) and it only spun in an upright position for 10 or 15 seconds but I think this is the same type of effect that Jon Depew shows in a recent video posted.

Going to make a stand and give it another try soon.

Brownsville
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on April 29, 2009, 09:38:55 AM
@Brownsville.WOW! If you have got another one spinning as you say,you have made a  major discovery.Please can you make a video if you get it going again so we can all see how you did it.Many thanks for your continuing experiments regards jonnydavro
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Pirate88179 on April 29, 2009, 09:59:17 AM
Yes, I agree.  If this can be replicated with, as brownsville said, using stands of some kind, there may be a way to have several magnets spinning.  Put a few pick-up coils on each spinner and.....who knows?  This could get even more interesting very quickly.

Bill
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: brownsville on April 29, 2009, 03:10:20 PM
@all - this was posted on the Energetic Forum - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8Gt3ED0zLw&feature=channel_page

I had experimented with Mr. DePew"s Equilibrius Grid but did not have the bearings that he used. I think this can be replicated and with an already "powered" up spinner it should be a lot easier.

Have a big construction project to work on for the next few days but will try to get this accomplished and a video up by Sunday.

Brownsville
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: brownsville on April 29, 2009, 03:26:10 PM
@Pirate88179 - Hey Bill here is one for you, I haven't gotten my jt rebuilt yet, but this looks like the same thing jonnydavro has done but a different twist on the magnets.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr1q1t8GXZ8&feature=channel

This looks llike a much simpler way to get the mags spinning and cylinder mags in a top type setup should work.

Brownsville
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Pirate88179 on April 30, 2009, 06:52:27 AM
Brownsville:

Thank you.  That is pretty cool how he did that.  It is evident that we have a lot of options here.  Take care.

Bill
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on May 01, 2009, 12:13:56 AM
Hi.Today i got a new laser tachometer to try and find out how fast the snake egg is spinning.I was using 7.5v(5x1.5v batteries) for the test and the vertical spinning egg.I found that the egg would go over 17000rpm at this voltage and 15mA.I chose this voltage as i can stabilise the egg a lot easier than when at 12v but 12v is a lot faster for sure.Here is a pic of it doing 16800rpm.
                                      Regards jonnydavro
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 01, 2009, 12:43:57 AM
Jonny:

Man, that is a nice tach.  Holy Crap!  17,000 rpm is really turning!  That is a lot faster than I would have guessed.  This is good information to have.

Bill
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on May 01, 2009, 11:50:34 AM
Hi.Today i did an experiment to see how economical this motor is and it will run quite happily on a 1.5v watch battery at 4mA.Here is a vid.
                            Regards jonnydavro
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7G1D4OaUao
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: WilbyInebriated on May 01, 2009, 12:04:20 PM
sweet!
i just found some of these 'snake eggs' at harbor freight, 2 for a buck, i'll be spinning soon.

what's the 9 volt in the vid clip for?
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on May 01, 2009, 01:24:03 PM
Hi Wilby.The 9v battery is the charge battery.Im glad your going to join in the fun.I would get quite a few magnets at that price to ensure you get a nice choice of magnets to use as they each seem to have there own personality.Some spin vertical,some spin angular,you want both types to test.Regards jonnydavro
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: WilbyInebriated on May 01, 2009, 04:12:43 PM
thanks jonny. i'll grab a few more next time i'm out there.
here is the link for the magnets, i was reading through the thread to get caught up and noticed pirate was having trouble locating some.
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=95942
my bad, they were 3 bucks, you get two snake eggs and two spheres.
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 01, 2009, 04:24:42 PM
@ Wilby:

Thanks.  I have several places I found online but I was looking for a local supplier so I could "hand-pick" some of these.  This device is so cool.  I can't wait to see your replication.

@ Jonny:

My neo spheres arrived yesterday.  I did a few quick tests and, even the 1/4" spheres spin too fast!  (I got .750, 5/8" and 1/4" dia.)  Even with all of the resistance off, it stays in the center and really winds up and then........look out!  I had one fly off and hit my fridge across the room and it put a small dent in the door!  It was like a bullit.   For the small spheres, I may have to lower my base resistor value from 100 to something lower.

Great video!  I can't believe it runs on som low a mA number.  Great job.

Bill
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: gyulasun on May 01, 2009, 08:48:06 PM
....
  For the small spheres, I may have to lower my base resistor value from 100 to something lower.
....

Hi Bill,

I think just the other direction:  you would have to increase your base resistor to reduce the collector current so that the sphere magnet should rotate with less speed, hence they would not launch... 

Or you mean the small spheres need more collector current to spin faster?   I miss something?

Thanks, Gyula
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 02, 2009, 12:20:55 AM
Gyula:

I may have that backwards.  I will have to put my meter on the pots to check it.  I know I have these pots wired backwards from my Bedini so I may be confused.  Thanks.

Bill
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 03, 2009, 09:21:04 AM
Here is my latest video on this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RsFMyZbj1I

I am using smaller, bench tested magnets supplied to me from a good friend from overseas.  These spin really well.  The fun begins.....


Bill
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: WilbyInebriated on May 03, 2009, 06:25:56 PM
took a break from winding a new tesla secondary and tossed together a quick testbed to see what 'type' of spinners i had. it looks like i got lucky, i have one that runs close to perfect vertical, and one x wobbler. i used a really small coil, no adjustment pot, and ran it at 9v input. it spins, but nowhere near the revs you guys are getting. will post a pic after i pretty it up a bit.
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 04, 2009, 06:02:32 AM
Wilby:

Glad to see you are replicating this.  This is one of the coolest things to have running right in front of you.  As I found out, the magnets make a huge difference in running attitude...lucky for you have have one that goes vertical in a steady way.  If not for Jonny, I would be stuck with my X wobble.  I did a pretty nice job tonight on mounting a computer fan (turbine) onto one of the eggs.  It was well centered and well balanced but....there is a metal ring on the ID of those fans, (after you remove the magnet) and I decided to leave it as I might have damaged the fan by removing it.  Well, big mistake.  I got everything else ok but the metal messes with the field and it spins, but does not even go near the center and when it does....it flops over.  I tried every setting I have but it has to be that metal in the core.  I will try removing it for next time.

There are so many things we can do with these.  I am taking Jonny's suggestion and after modding my circuit like his, I will try to run it on the earth battery....which is now up to 12 mA's as of just a little while ago. (@1.96 volts)

I hate it when an experiment does not work as planned but, that's the way it goes.

Bill
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: WilbyInebriated on May 04, 2009, 05:10:30 PM
thanks pirate. yeah it was pretty sweet to see it spin right away. i used one of those 'perpetual motion' toys. has a little kicker coil in the base, no adjustments. now i need to do a proper build. your fan sounds interesting. you might discover a 'new' kind of magnet 'lift' with that  ;)

@ all
do you guys think a u shaped core, with enough separation between the two poles, would spin two magnets?
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: xenomorphlabs on May 05, 2009, 07:21:08 PM
@WilbyInebriated:

The 2nd magnet would have to be brought in at the exact speed and phase of the first magnet onto the 2nd core-end
or it would interfere the first magnet's push from the transistor.
I guess that is close to impossible.
Even if you would manage somehow to do that, the amp-draw would simply double, no real benefit in using two magnets hypothetically.
To understand that, i recommend watching this MIT professor explain how this magnet motor works:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGaSeSP0tCM&feature=player_embedded

The magnet and the transistor work together in sync.




Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: brownsville on May 06, 2009, 01:15:42 AM
I had to play a little last Sunday. I wound a 26 guage coil around the plastic jar to check on electric generation. The coil was only about 60 feet of wire - did not count the winds. The coil produced a small voltage when surrounding the magnet and also when held outside of the magnet at a 90 degree position. The interesting part was the jump it took when held at about a 15 degree angle as you can see in the video.

Perhaps Xenomorph or someone else could see if holding the coils similarly to the vid increases the volts. Mine went from .2 to almost 4 volts AC.

Here is the link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqO9WNnb0Gc

Brownsville
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 06, 2009, 01:59:24 AM
@ brownsville:

Great vid man.  I don't know why this could be.  I too will try this.  I have tried a roll of 30 ga. mag wire and could not get much at all out of it.  I will post my results.  Great job.

Bill
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: xenomorphlabs on May 06, 2009, 03:19:20 AM
As Gyula has pointed out earlier in this thread by providing helpful links, the pickup-coils need to have a very high turn count, very thin wire, a comparatively big area  and a small coil length to maximize their output.
Just a few turns wont give you a significant output unfortunately.

I have just experimentally concluded that even 2000 turns is not enough ! (depending on what you wanna do of course)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVCKIWey420

I want to remind people again that Lenz law is in effect when inducing currents in pickup coils and powering something with that current.

Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Goat on May 08, 2009, 12:15:13 AM
@All

Saw this video today which is somewhat relevant as its a no bearing one magnet:

"Fast Motor 150.000RPM no rotor neodimio magnet"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1WkxHr0G6o&feature=related

This thing really spins fast using a round neo inside the coil  :o

Regards,
Paul
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 08, 2009, 01:32:04 AM
Goat:

Yes, I saw that.  That thing is really spinning!  That video is the reason I purchased my 5 different sized neo spheres but, I can't control them once they really start speeding up.  They fly across the room like a bullet.  I think he mentioned he is using 2 coils.  I can't figure out what he meant by that.  Also, I noticed he didn't have to spin it up by hand like we do with our set-ups.  Maybe his second coil helps with that?

Bill
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Goat on May 08, 2009, 02:00:37 AM
Goat:

Yes, I saw that.  That thing is really spinning!  That video is the reason I purchased my 5 different sized neo spheres but, I can't control them once they really start speeding up.  They fly across the room like a bullet.  I think he mentioned he is using 2 coils.  I can't figure out what he meant by that.  Also, I noticed he didn't have to spin it up by hand like we do with our set-ups.  Maybe his second coil helps with that?

Bill

Pirate, I've looked at the video several times now and it's very hard to make out because he mentions having two coils (in what configuration we don't know) and also mentions "Similar Bedini" circuit at the end of the video as well as the information section.

The English translation seems a little different than the spanish one....

"150,000 Rpm Motor fast without a rotor made of Neodymium magnet ball 2 reels of 8 mm (as a trigger and as a promoter) and a Bedini circuit similar."

PS: I don't see why one couldn't add a clear plexi at both ends of the air core to prevent the ball from coming out and flying across the room  :o

Regards,
Paul

Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 08, 2009, 03:31:21 AM
@ Goat:

Your idea would work with his set-up but on mine, it is just spinning on a flat plate.  Before I glue my plate on, I tried his way inside the coil and it would not spin.  Even with me hand starting it. He must have done something different, I don't know.  I love the sound though.

Bill
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: WilbyInebriated on May 09, 2009, 07:53:26 AM
@WilbyInebriated:

The 2nd magnet would have to be brought in at the exact speed and phase of the first magnet onto the 2nd core-end
or it would interfere the first magnet's push from the transistor.
I guess that is close to impossible.
Even if you would manage somehow to do that, the amp-draw would simply double, no real benefit in using two magnets hypothetically.
To understand that, i recommend watching this MIT professor explain how this magnet motor works:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGaSeSP0tCM&feature=player_embedded

The magnet and the transistor work together in sync.
hi, thanks for the reply. magnet two wouldn't be brought in. it would already be in place.
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: xenomorphlabs on May 11, 2009, 12:13:53 AM
Quote
hi, thanks for the reply. magnet two wouldn't be brought in. it would already be in place.

Then i dont understand your set-up.
What would start the 2nd magnet then ?
Do you expect the coil field to start up the 2nd magnet?
That might work or not, i am not sure if the 2nd magnet
would really start to move without kicking it manually a bit.
Would be worth trying it out.
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: WilbyInebriated on May 11, 2009, 12:24:43 AM
Then i dont understand your set-up.
What would start the 2nd magnet then ?
Do you expect the coil field to start up the 2nd magnet?
That might work or not, i am not sure if the 2nd magnet
would really start to move without kicking it manually a bit.
Would be worth trying it out.
yup, that's pretty much what i was thinking. i am not sure if the second magnet will start either. i'll probably try it out when i get some time, just to see. feel free to beat me to it.  ;D
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on May 11, 2009, 01:08:16 AM
Hi all.Some great things going on here with the  pick up coil tests.I have been busy also, exploring alternative ways off powering the motor and can run it quite happily of a solar garden led light which will charge two 2.7v 20f supercaps in 10 minutes.I can also charge a supercap via a dynamo torch i have modified in a about one minute.The motor will run for hours on this charge.I have made a vid so you can see what i mean.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3sWfhtvgAU
@wilby.I have been experimenting with a slave coil, i have a vid posted of that experiment but i also set it up next to the master coil and put a lid on it and span a magnet up on the master and moved the top over to the slave and then span another magnet up on the master to supply the trigger and it showed signs of life but i think the magnets would have to be identical as they would have to syncronise and i have built quite a few multi rotored Bedini's and i know if they  are not the same,they won't sync so you may have to make custom rotors.Regards jonnydavro
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: WilbyInebriated on May 11, 2009, 02:54:15 AM
Hi all.Some great things going on here with the  pick up coil tests.I have been busy also, exploring alternative ways off powering the motor and can run it quite happily of a solar garden led light which will charge two 2.7v 20f supercaps in 10 minutes.I can also charge a supercap via a dynamo torch i have modified in a about one minute.The motor will run for hours on this charge.I have made a vid so you can see what i mean.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3sWfhtvgAU
@wilby.I have been experimenting with a slave coil, i have a vid posted of that experiment but i also set it up next to the master coil and put a lid on it and span a magnet up on the master and moved the top over to the slave and then span another magnet up on the master to supply the trigger and it showed signs of life but i think the magnets would have to be identical as they would have to syncronise and i have built quite a few multi rotored Bedini's and i know if they  are not the same,they won't sync so you may have to make custom rotors.Regards jonnydavro
thanks jonny, it was your multi rotor setups that made me think of it.
maybe spherical magnets would be easier to match?
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on May 11, 2009, 09:39:02 AM
@wilby.For it to work,i think both magnets would have to remain in a fixed positions on the lids or they would de-sync.This is a problem with the snake egg as it likes to wander and with the more stable X spinner you would have to find two with the same rotational axis so that would not be easy.Sphere's are certainly worth a try.I think if you made spinning tops you could run them in sockets on the lids so that may keep them fixed in position and you could make two the same.EL-tigre has a  spinning top version at the one magnet bedini thread on energetic forum which might give you some idea'sHope this helps but i like your thinking with the u shaped core/coil.
There is another pole there to exploit so what else can we do with it?
Title: New Rotor Test
Post by: jonnydavro on May 14, 2009, 03:30:19 PM
Hi.I have some N42 20mm x 20mm with 6mm hole  Diametricly magnetised cylinder magnets which i have got for another motor i am working on and i wondered if i could adapt them to work on the one mag bedini and i have and it spins fast.Is what i did was i placed an 8mm ball bearing in the hole as a pivot and it is very easy to start and it triggers the transistor from 8 inches above the coil but it gets even better.I can run multiple rotors at the same time and current draw does not seem to be affected.In the video i am running a snake egg and the N42 cylinder at the same time.I have another N42 and will try and get the 2 N42's going but i thought i would let you know what i have for now.Here are some pics and a vid.Regards Jonnydavro

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTG2U8e6Mdo

Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Goat on May 15, 2009, 02:19:45 AM
Hi all

A new video of the ball magnet reaching high speeds

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQzpdcQf-Wk&feature=channel_page

Translation of alfacentauro1111 info from video

"Motor magnetico funcionando sin rotor , doble bobina una de señal de trigger y otra de pulso para impulsar el iman bola en su polo creando asi una aceleración, el circuito que se utilizo es el conocido bedini"

"Motor function without magnetic rotor, a double coil trigger signal and a pulse to drive the ball into his magnet pole creating an acceleration, the circuit used is known Bedini"

Regards,
Paul

Title: Re: New Rotor Test
Post by: WilbyInebriated on May 15, 2009, 02:21:42 AM
Hi.I have some N42 20mm x 20mm with 6mm hole  Diametricly magnetised cylinder magnets which i have got for another motor i am working on and i wondered if i could adapt them to work on the one mag bedini and i have and it spins fast.Is what i did was i placed an 8mm ball bearing in the hole as a pivot and it is very easy to start and it triggers the transistor from 8 inches above the coil but it gets even better.I can run multiple rotors at the same time and current draw does not seem to be affected.In the video i am running a snake egg and the N42 cylinder at the same time.I have another N42 and will try and get the 2 N42's going but i thought i would let you know what i have for now.Here are some pics and a vid.Regards Jonnydavro

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTG2U8e6Mdo

very clever jonny, 5 stars
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: brownsville on May 15, 2009, 03:57:39 PM
Great job Jonnydavro,

I haven't had time to try to get multiple spinners yet. I did try the eggs and can get really close.

I did try a round mag with a top type setup but could not get it to spin up to speed. Will give it a go again soon.

Brownsville
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 15, 2009, 06:33:37 PM
Jonny:

Great new video you posted today!!!  I don't understand how those are running that far off to the side of the coil but, it is really cool.  It looks like you have enough space to run 2 more set-ups for a total of 4 rotors from one coil!!!!  This just keeps getting better and better!  Fantastic work!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXWYKgTh1_k&feature=channel_page

Bill
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on May 15, 2009, 07:11:38 PM
@Brownsville.Thanks.Stick at it and you will get them going.
@Pirate.Thanks Bill.The setup i am using here is an air core power coil and these magnets are so strong that they trigger the transistor from miles away.This also means that they can be effected by the coils magnetic field from a distance so this is why i can run them like that.Regarding adding another two.you read my mind. ;)DRegards jonny
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXWYKgTh1_k
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on May 16, 2009, 12:05:26 AM
Hi.I subscibe to smw1998a on utube and thought you may be interested in his work.He makes some great bedini motors amongst other things and he has replicated the snake egg Bedini and put it on a scope.In his first vid he clocks it at 24000rpm and in his second 33600rpm.Here are links to his vids.Regards jonny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tLhlQIZ70o&feature=channel_page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra1vPU1F6zI&feature=channel_page
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on May 16, 2009, 10:13:26 AM
Hi.Some people who want to try the cylinder rotor are finding it hard to find diametricaly magnetised N42 cylinder mags with a hole so this is where i get mine from and i think they ship international.

http://www.first4magnets.com/
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 16, 2009, 10:47:06 AM
Jonny:

Thanks for posting that link.  How did you know I was going to ask you that?

Bill
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on May 16, 2009, 06:36:34 PM
Hi.Today i did some coil orientation tests and the  aircore coil seems to power the rotor in any postion and from positions which won't work with a standard Bedini.I made a vid so you can see what i mean.Regards jonny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Y62-5aSiKo

@Pirate. Hi Bill.Most N42 cylinder mags are not diametricaly magnetised and you also need a hole so they may be hard to find but this site i know to be reliable so it just helps anyone who is working on this motor.Cheers jonny.
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 17, 2009, 01:23:55 AM
Jonny:

Great video and great discovery you have made.  I didn't think this was possible to have all those different orientations work, but obviously (now, thanks to you) they do.  Incredible discovery.

I was going to ask what size magnets you ordered from that link you posted but now I see they only offer the one size in the diametrically magnetized line.  I am getting some of these.  This is excellent!

Bill
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on May 18, 2009, 12:11:09 AM
Hi Bill.I cannot believe it myself.The coil seems to be in the centre of a magnetic bubble and the rotor will spin if it is inside that bubble in any position.With an aircore bifilar, the bubble is about 12 inches in diameter.I am quite excited about this as i have never seen such behaviour in a Bedini motor before.Regards Jonny
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: brownsville on May 19, 2009, 09:00:52 PM
@ all - here is a link to K & J Magnetics and these magnets.
http://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=RC4CDIA

I have gotten quite a few different magnets from them and they are quite reasonably priced and their service is great.

Hope this helps.

@Jonnydavro when I was experimenting with the Equilibrius grid it seems as though setting the mags at a distance of multiples of a square with the area equal to Pi gave the best results. To simplify at a distance of about 6" per rotor seemed to work best. I believe that in one of Jon Depews Equilibrius grid videos he mentions the magnetic "bubble" and that it increases as more mags are added.

Brownsville
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on May 21, 2009, 06:18:55 PM
Hi Today i have done a test and have managed to link magnets together as a magnetic cog.The first magnet is span by the air core coil and the second by the first's magnetic field.The 2nd magnet is miles away from the coil and i can do it with the coil orientated in any position as long as the first magnet is spinning.You can see the interaction between the magnets as there field merge as the powered magnet visibly vibrates but this is not shown in the vid.I have taken some pics and made a vid so you can see.Regards jonny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jplGJ_cH6pQ

@ Brownsville.Thanks for the info
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 21, 2009, 07:17:29 PM
Jonny:

So that is like a totally separate slave coil and magnet set-up run off the field generated by the first spinning magnet?  Unbelievable!  I wonder how many of these you could have in a circle around your primary coil and mag.?

Great job Jonny!  I don't ever even remember reading about anything remotely like this stuff you are doing here.  Great work.

Bill
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on May 21, 2009, 10:26:29 PM
Hi Bill.There is no slave coil here.It is my original setup with justthe bifilar aircore.If i run into triggering problems when i add more magnets i will probably have to go to the slave coil and have the master seperate supplying the pulse like you say.I would say though the rpm's are much reduced as the first magnet is supplying energy to the second but i have done a quick test with my pickup coil and both magnets light the LED no problem but its early days with this setup but i am learning all the time and i will see where this goes.Regards jonny
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on May 21, 2009, 11:52:44 PM
Hi.Here's a couple of pics of a quick pickup coil test.Regards jonny
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: PYRODIN123321 on May 22, 2009, 06:20:07 PM
I have never heard of anything like this! neato!
a eternal spinning top!

any body ever see those floating magnetic tops? could you use this to power the spin of the top? it would make a cool toy!

gotta build one of these

seems like there will be a lot of nifty aplications for this
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 29, 2009, 08:40:21 AM
I just ordered five 1" od x 1" long diametrically magnetized tubes.  I tried ordering from the link posted but, they said they do not ship the the US due to the VAT.  These are rated at 42 so, I guess they will work ok.  This will be fun!!!

Bill
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: PYRODIN123321 on May 29, 2009, 03:07:27 PM
can't seem to get mine to work, the coil is way too small I think...they only sell little spools of wire at radioshack....have to order on-line.....sigh....
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: nievesoliveras on May 29, 2009, 06:17:00 PM
@jonnydavro

Why dont you use the invention as a normal motor like this:

Jesus
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 29, 2009, 06:26:48 PM
can't seem to get mine to work, the coil is way too small I think...they only sell little spools of wire at radioshack....have to order on-line.....sigh....

I used those same Radio Shack rolls of wire for my replication and they work fine.  I used Lidmotor's "transformer" style coil. (He uses RS wire spools too)  All you do is to take the 2 smaller wire diameters in the 3 pack, (30 and 26 ga. I think they are) and wind a bifilar coil.  The trick is that you will run out of the 26 ga. first as there is a lot less of it.  Keep track of the end of that wire by putting it out through one of the drilled holes on the top or bottom, then just continue winding all of the thinner wire until gone.  This coil is very efficient and I run my Bedini replication using this design also.  I think Lidmotor also has wound a trifilar coil using all three spools of wire until they are gone.

If I have not explained this properly, feel free to pm me and I will try to do a better job of it.  This is a great coil.



@ Jeasus:

Interesting idea.

Bill
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on May 29, 2009, 06:26:52 PM
@Pirate.Hi Bill.Those magnets that you have ordered will work fine.Mine are N42 grade too.I would start winding a pickup coil while you are waiting for them to turn up as you will be smiling when you test that.Also are you any closer to trying the one mag bedini on your earth battery and have you modded your circuit? Can't wait to see what you have planned.Regards jonny.
@Pyrodini.Don't be to hasty.Your coil may be fine.Post some details off your setup(any pics) and we might spot something that you haven't.Regards jonny
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 29, 2009, 06:32:35 PM
Jonny:

I have been in a holding pattern waiting for my 650 Farad supercap to arrive.  It is due in next week!!!  Yes, good idea, I will get some wire today (Radio Shack) and start another coil.

Once this big cap gets here, I do believe I can run this motor from the EB.  No, I have not made any of the mods to lower the amp draw yet.  Do you have a page reference where these are described in detail?  I guess I should look back on this topic for them.  I will probably need a little help with the mods.  I will let you know.

Thanks.

Bill
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: nievesoliveras on May 29, 2009, 06:38:57 PM
...
@ Jesus:

Interesting idea.

Bill

Thank @pirate !

Jesus
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: PYRODIN123321 on May 29, 2009, 08:51:03 PM
I bought 2 packs of the 3 spools and just used the thickest I am gona rewind the thicker wire with the smaller wire bifilar, def could be the problem also i am kinda using stolen parts from things.. I have a really neat old relay from bell labs i got at a garage sale....
exact parts would be nice but cash is short, so I'll mess with it tonight and post some pics..
thanks for the help yall, I really appreciate the info.

peace
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on May 29, 2009, 10:09:51 PM
@Nievesoliveras.Hi.Jesus.I have already tried what you suggest and it works great.The thing is the rpm's are not as high as with the bearingless rotor due to the increased friction of the bearings and the ability off the bearingless rotor to choose where it wants to rotate increases its efficiency so for now that is what i am playing with but the fixed one magnet Bedini is a motor that wants further study for sure and is on my evaluation list.Thankyou for your suggestions,they are much appreciated.
On a sidenote on a  subject close to your heart,here is a vid from Mopozco where he is trying feedback to source with the one magnet no bearing Bedini motor which you may find off interest.Regards jonny
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvDlJh37gZ8
@pirate Hi Bill.That cap could be the key to running all kinds of things.If you need any help,let me know but you want to try to get your motor running on 1.5v and 10mA or less to give yourself a chance.You may have to change your lid to get this low as i found  like Lidmotor that it likes to run at the edge off the coil and you can position it easily with the plastic coffee lid.Keep up your great work with the earth battery Bill regards jonny
 
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: nievesoliveras on May 30, 2009, 02:18:12 AM
I am ashamed now and I want to apologize for my second failure. It seems that the whole thing was a lose connection. I will post no more.
I will not resist a third failure.

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6362.msg183583#msg183583

Jesus
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: PYRODIN123321 on May 30, 2009, 04:44:44 AM
I can't see the first ten pages when im logged in, but I can see it as a guest.
am I blocked from seeing that?
anyways
heres pics
only one battery no relay will add that later
trying to just build the bedini then Ill do the spinny thing
but all it will do is make some sqealing feedback....might have burned it up playing around? ???
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on May 30, 2009, 01:03:21 PM
Hi Pyrodini.I think there are a few things to try first and if no luck follow pirate's instructions for the coil as it is a proven design and vital part off a Bedini motor and if you already have the wire it should not take to long to rewind.That said from your pics and what you say,i would say your circuit is working ok but it is in self oscillation mode. i noticed three pots?For this type of Bedini with a multimagnet rotor you want a 100ohm resistor and a 1kpot.For the one magnet Bedini you want 100ohm+1kpot+10kpot+relay coil.You can just turn the 10k pot down to zero if it is included in your build but the fact that your coil is squeeling means you have to back off on the resistance.
I could not see a core in your coil,is there one?if not and you don't have any welding rods handy,for a quick core just wedge an old 1.5v battery in there,they seem to work very well.
Also i think you may have to many magnets on your rotor.Sometimes more is not better.I found on a rotor that size that it worked with 3,better with 4 and not very well with 5 or more so i use four magnets on cd sized rotors and they fly.
Also does your neon light and just use any old 9v battery as your charge battery.So to sum up i would
1 turn all pots to zero apart from one-the 1k.use your multimeter to check.
2 put a core in if not already there
3 add a 9v charge battery
4 make another rotor with just 4 magnets, don't destroy the one you have so you can compare the two when you get it going
5 Try the snake egg rotor
6 rewind coil if no joy as pirate mentioned in a previous post.Pirate can help with that.
Hope this helps regards jonny


Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Paul-R on May 30, 2009, 03:52:42 PM
@jonnydavro

Why dont you use the invention as a normal motor like this:

Jesus
Is there a benefit to getting the magnet actually inside the volume of the coil?
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: PYRODIN123321 on May 30, 2009, 04:02:13 PM
Thanks Jonny! Will do, I'll be messing with it some more today and will let ya know when I get it working.
I already wound the coil last night and the reason for the pots is that when I was messing with it the transitor was getting pretty warm and I didn't want to "let the smoke out of the wires" so I cranked the resistance and I just left them in there, I can just turn them all the way down like ya said...

I have a core but I might try a battery, the one I got is a irregular shaped old piece of core from a flyback out of a computer monitor.
also the neon doesn't light up and I will try the rotor with 4 mags instead of so many as well as adding a rechargeable 9v batt.
Thanks again for all your help!

Peace
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: nievesoliveras on June 01, 2009, 07:22:42 PM
Is there a benefit to getting the magnet actually inside the volume of the coil?

I am here again. I will not quit. I gatthered my thoughts again. I am ready to work!

I made a test long ago with a coil and a small magnet, I put the magnet inside the air core coil of a self oscillating circuit I found on the energetic forum.
The LEDs I was using and a small 3v dc motor were running real good and the magnet was making a steady rattle inside the coil.
But it did not lasted too long, the coil began to get hot and stop working and still I have not unwinded it to see what happened.

The answer is yes, there is a benefit on getting a magnet actually inside the volume of the coil.

What we need to know is how to wind it so it does not get too hot and stop working and broken.

Jesus
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on June 01, 2009, 07:52:40 PM
Hi Jesus and Paul.I think it would be a good experiment to spin a neo sphere inside an aircore trifilar coil with the third winding as a generator coil .The generator coil may be in the perfect position.It would be interesting to see what voltages are generated by a motor like alfacentauro's 150000 rpm job with a third winding.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1WkxHr0G6o
p.s glad your not leaving us just yet Jesus.I for one would miss you and your great idea's.Regards jonny
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: nievesoliveras on June 01, 2009, 11:22:32 PM
Hi Jesus and Paul.I think it would be a good experiment to spin a neo sphere inside an aircore trifilar coil with the third winding as a generator coil .The generator coil may be in the perfect position.It would be interesting to see what voltages are generated by a motor like alfacentauro's 150000 rpm job with a third winding.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1WkxHr0G6o
p.s glad your not leaving us just yet Jesus.I for one would miss you and your great idea's.Regards jonny

Thank you @jonnydavro !

That would be a great idea. That is the point, we need to get useful energy or useful rotation from the inversion on this kind of circuits.
For example if the power goes down. It would be marvelous to just turn on one of those no bearing motors and have enough light to at least have a fan, a light bulb and a tv set working.
Because of the high speeds of this motors it would be almost easy to charge two 12 volts batteries and add an inverter to get the ac voltage needed to do the job.

Good idea!

Jesus
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Pirate88179 on June 03, 2009, 04:30:34 AM
Here is a video of me running a One Magnet No Bearing Bedini Motor from my earth battery and a 650 Farad 2.7 volt supercap:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rauOlhNK0iY

Bill
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: PYRODIN123321 on June 03, 2009, 05:09:30 PM
Hello all, I still can't get mine to work  ??? but i did get the motor spinning with a magnetic switch from a doorbell held close to the rotor, but that's cheating, at least my coil is good...
also I am having difficulty understanding the bedini circuit, it seems to me that the magnets when they pass over the coils make very little voltage just enough in the secondary to turn on the transistor .
the main voltage generated on the secondary winding is caused by the initial charge from the first and once inductance kicks in the secondary no longer has a pos voltage and turns off the coil
Does the breakdown of the field causes a spike in the secondary to turn on the cycle again or would that be an opposite charge to go to charging the other battery then the mags turn on the cycle again?

My setup will not spin the rotors or the snake eggs and even with no resistance to the base it will only squeal in what i think is a feed back loop....but that's the point right...is there a way to lower the frequency of the feedback loop? a larger inductive coil maybe instead of the relay coil? I also have the wrong diodes in there and I'm powering it using a 6 volt batt. so maybe i can replace those and it will work..
Thanks for the help!
I'll keep trying until I get it or it explodes and I loose my hands...

Peace



Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Pirate88179 on June 03, 2009, 07:37:49 PM
Pyrodin:

Forgive me for asking this but, I saw on a Bedini page where a guy could not get his motor to work no matter what he did.  Then, some other guy asked him "You do realize this motor is not self-starting?"  The fellow did not.  He was thinking that the rotor would begin to spin up when powered and did not know you have to give it a good spin to start the circuit.  I am sure you knew this already, but just in case you did not, it might save you some time.

Bill
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: PYRODIN123321 on June 03, 2009, 08:53:40 PM
 ;D while we are on silly questions the poles of the mag are all the same direction right? I have tried a lot of stuff including spinning the thing by hand to see if i could light a led or something...no go....

I think I'm gonna hook this up to an old oscilloscope I have and maybe I can see whats going on a little better

maybe I should use different magnets the neomags are really strong or maybe take out the core
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Pirate88179 on June 03, 2009, 09:06:22 PM
;D while we are on silly questions the poles of the mag are all the same direction right? I have tried a lot of stuff including spinning the thing by hand to see if i could light a led or something...no go....

I think I'm gonna hook this up to an old oscilloscope I have and maybe I can see whats going on a little better

maybe I should use different magnets the neomags are really strong or maybe take out the core

I used 1/2" dia. x 1/4" thick neos on my bench model Bedini rotor set-up and they work fine.  i read you are supposed to have all of the north poles facing out but, I had already glued mine 8 ways from Sunday with the south poles facing out and it still works fine.  But yes, all are supposed to be the same.  Go on youtube and find user Introvertabrate.  he has some very good tutorial videos on how to make the Bedini sg as well as detailed circuit diagrams.  This is the circuit I have used for both of my bedinis and they work.  It call for the 3055 transistor and one n4001 and one n4007 diodes, a neon, and a 400 ohm resistor and one variable resistor of 5k.  I used Lidmotor's transformer coil design and my core is cut off nails (high iron content, you can check various nails with a magnet) epoxied in the coil.

All of this was very confusing to me until I got it to work and then the 2nd one, for Jonny's replication was way easier to build.

I hope this helps.

Bill
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on June 03, 2009, 11:47:28 PM
@Pirate.Congrats on your latest EB experiment and getting the Bedini to spin.Real nice Bill.Whats that saying?Oh yeah from little acorns a big tree grows.I've got the feeling this might apply here and that energy looks pretty free to me.I was thinking today that you may be able to combine this with solar cells.If you have a small solar cell,an interesting experiment might be to charge a cap up and try to link it to your big mama cap.Just thinking.
@pyrodini.Something is wrong if your coil is squeeling with no resistance in the trigger circuit.Thinking about it,your build maybe a bit over complicated if this is your first stab at making a Bedini.Pirate gives good advice regarding introvertebrates video as i think his  step by step vid has resulted in hundreds of successful builds or even downloading thedaftmans bedini diagram which is a dead cert for a working motor.(search thedaftman on utube)So is what i would do is try introvertebrate's step by step and when you have a working motor,then start adding and changing things about.This way you will make progress a lot quicker as you will get a good understanding of the circuit and be able to solve problems as they occur.Don't give up pyrodini as you have done the hard bit winding the coil.Keep us informed off your progress and we will do all we can to help.Regards jonny
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: PYRODIN123321 on June 04, 2009, 02:56:45 AM
Hey yall, thanks for the help, I got it going this evening.... used a bigger coil from an old ac motor instead of the relay I was using.... think the squealing was indeed the resistance being too high....the neon doesn't flash, but its not a very good one for this, need a smaller one.....
@pirate & jonnydavro
thanks again for all your great advice, makes things a lot easier ;D
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: PYRODIN123321 on June 04, 2009, 02:58:05 AM
One of these off a ground batt is pretty cool!
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: retrod on June 04, 2009, 04:16:25 AM
What fun! I had to video my first attempt at replication tonight. I was tired but happy it was working, even using some incorrect materials. Here is the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck5sbR7u2q0
Thanks Jonny!

Dave
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Pirate88179 on June 04, 2009, 06:00:03 AM
Retrod:

Nice job on your replication!  Very quiet too.  I didn't know we could use twisted pairs spools of wire for out Bedini's.  A lot easier to wind than the way I have been doing it.

Great work.

Bill
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on June 04, 2009, 09:28:31 AM
@Retrod.What a great idea using the twisted pair and the marble.I wonder how your coil design compares with a standard mag wire bifilar?From what i could see,pretty well.I think you have set the new record  for building a Bedini,10 minutes WOW!
I am going to test your coil design as you may have just made everything a lot simpler.Thanks for your innovative replication and i hope you continue to experiment with it.Nice work Dave.Regards jonny
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: retrod on June 04, 2009, 01:27:10 PM
Thanks Bill & Jonny. I posted a follow-up. The coil is simply 500ft 2/c #24 with a twist. I did not re-spool, it's as it was right off the shelf :-). A true 'lazy man's' replication, Lol!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLMTdqd2oj8

Thanks again,
Dave
@Retrod.What a great idea using the twisted pair and the marble.I wonder how your coil design compares with a standard mag wire bifilar?From what i could see,pretty well.I think you have set the new record  for building a Bedini,10 minutes WOW!
I am going to test your coil design as you may have just made everything a lot simpler.Thanks for your innovative replication and i hope you continue to experiment with it.Nice work Dave.Regards jonny
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: PYRODIN123321 on June 04, 2009, 02:40:11 PM
Hey retrod Cool vid, took me a lot longer than ten min though >:( ;D
got mine working good last night  will post vid later, didn't need the relay/ac motor coil after all, i think pirate was right it just needed a good spin, the ac motor coil did help though, it seems to start easier and at a lower rotation speed. the relay/ac motor coil seems like its giving some back emf and slows down everything...

fun stuff... ;D

I used  the sphere shaped snake egg with two steel bbs on the poles so i could get it going the right way (one of the poles kept turning down to the core when i spun it) the bbs at one point flew off the egg and that thing took off almost broke the plate I had it on

anybody ever heard of beyblades.... like to put a magnet in one of those....
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: PYRODIN123321 on June 04, 2009, 02:42:15 PM
might have to put a steel cage around them though......death by spinning top does not sound like a cool way to go....
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on June 04, 2009, 08:28:12 PM
Hi.Today i did a test using an aircore bifilar coil and a 6mm Neo sphere.The motor ran very economicaly on 1.4v@1.75mA and 2mA when lighting the led.I used a pickup coil to light an LED and i was also recovering the bemf from the relay coil and power winding.This was just a quick test to see if you could get such a small magnet to work so it's not pretty and the sphere is hard to see but it is in there spinning away and there are lots of places to make further savings starting with the elimination of the cardboard end stop which the little ball is rubbing against.I made a vid as i was suprised it drew so little current and here is a closeup pic showing the coil and cardboard endstop retaining the sphere.Regards jonny
@Retrod.Real nice job with the twin rotors.Looks like you are having fun.
@Pyrodini.Good job getting your motor going.Feels much better when you solve the problem yourself don't you think.One word of caution though,if you are using the sphere's then you shouldn't need to add small ball bearings,they will spin by themselves and you could end up hurting someone if they part company.Happy experimenting regards jonny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ldg2FuJeB94
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: PYRODIN123321 on June 04, 2009, 11:16:07 PM
The ball bearings are just to keep the orientation of the magnet with the poles east to west instead of up and down, the sphere mag has a tendency to rotate the poles to line up with the core, the bbs fly off at a low speed after the coil picks up the snake egg. the egg was what almost broke the plate, it was spinning so fast it really starts to chatter, I think I will try some oil like Retrods.

It does feel good to have built it and to have a better understanding of the circuit, thanks again for your insight. also its fun to amaze friends......

Does this have a patent or something associated with it? I would hate to see somebody or some corp. reading these threads grab it up, heard an ad the other day on the radio for a "bedini charger", wonder if he gets any of that....
anyways a eternal spinning top would make a good toy and whoever made it first should get some credit ( jonnydavro?). unless this is considered free domain and anybody can use it for whatever?
Personally I don't intend to sell em or anything, just see the possibility.....
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: retrod on June 05, 2009, 12:30:14 PM
First an observation. I noticed if I have a stack (5 or more) of the 'button' style neos anywhere near the operating rotor the magnet stack will produce the same tone as listening with induction microphone & amplifier, only not nearly as loud. If you hold any neo magnet nearby you will feel the intense vibration as well.
Here is my first attempt at loading the circuit with an external coil. I used what was at hand, a very old color TV degaussing coil. Since the video was made I have added additional LED's and can light seven easily.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tyxcY1zV1s
Dave
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: PYRODIN123321 on June 05, 2009, 08:39:29 PM
finally ....here's a vid of my bedini motor, you can hear the kickback from the ac coil, its a lot quieter with the ac coil bypassed but doesn't start as easy.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Dy7-JI-WEU

I'll make one of the snake eggs later too.... ;D
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on June 06, 2009, 03:25:21 PM
Hi.I think i may have made a bit of a breakthrough with this.I have been experimenting with Neo sphere's and i wondered if i could combine the very powerful cylinder magnet with the sphere's and you can.This is what i did.
I used the cylinder magnet as the main rotor and i placed small 6mm N42 sphere neo's into seperate plastic containers with lids.I found i could get a satalite rotor to spin at a distance of 12" from the main rotor so that give's a 24" spin zone around the main rotor.I also found that i could stack them.I think you could spin as many magnets as you can get close to the main rotor.I only had 10 of the 6mm sphere's but after todays test,i have ordered another 40.I can also recover energy from the satalites witha pickup coil and i found that if you place a pickup coil between two pairs,they will share it so thats another bonus.
Here are some pics and a video.regards jonny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuVtKYfSDI8
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Pirate88179 on June 06, 2009, 08:25:43 PM
Jonny:

"A bit of a breakthrough"?  Holy crap!  This is tremendous.  You can run all of those additional magnets with no more power input?  A certain number would have to be getting close to unity and, a few more after that would be overunity I believe.  Spinning a magnet is work, although I have no idea how to calculate how much.  So, if you can spin 1 magnet with x input and then 20 magnets with the same x input, that has to be something very special to have discovered.

Maybe some of the other smart guys on this forum can help with the calculations.  I am just talking about the work done by spinning the magnets, and we have not even accounted for the additional output of your pick-up coils!!

I believe this is a very significant discovery Jonny!  Nice work.

Bill
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: DreamThinkBuild on June 06, 2009, 10:36:58 PM
Quote
I believe this is a very significant discovery Jonny!  Nice work.

WOW! Indeed.

If you put multiple spherical magnets in the same container do they cancel out or do they all ride the same path? Throwing out some other ideas. Place a small amount of water in a container does it still spin? Would it create a vortex?

Do you think it could drive a 2" magnetic sphere to turn a shaft?
http://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=SY0

I did a quick concept in Sketch-up. The white part is on a bearing which will turn the shaft as the magnets spin around. The magnets may need to be isolated better or the coil has to be placed in the middle with the other around the outsides. Think non-contact Searl device.





Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: PYRODIN123321 on June 07, 2009, 07:34:54 PM
here's a vid of the coil all mounted into a cigarbox, the foil just keeps it from wandering too far....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-Bb5KFsPmI
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on June 08, 2009, 01:26:58 AM
Hi.I have managed to get the satellite magnets to self start and completly stable.(I have only tried 4 as i don't have any more plastic eggs but all 4 self started)I noticed yesterday that if i had a stationary satellite on the worktop within 7"of the main rotor,it would vibrate and then i realised it was spinning on the spot so i placed a pickup coil underneath and the Led will light to full brightness.I also tried the 6mm sphere's in toy plastic eggs and it works great.
Here is a vid and some pics.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kI-4DbJH5jU

@Pirate.Thanks Bill.I am pretty excited about this and now i know i can recover energy efficiently,it may get interesting.Regarding amp draw.With just the main rotor spinning,it was drawing 8.5mA and with the 10 satellites,11mA but after tonights test,each satalite is well capable of lighting an Led to full brightness so???
P.S Loved your latest EB vid.400 Leds.Wow.You will be off grid before me the way your going hehe.Cheers Bill. Regards jonny
@Dreamthinkbuild.Nice graphic.I don't think it will work though as i tried to get larger Neo sphere's to spin and had no luck.The 6mm one's are light and can react to the magnetic fields quicker than the larger,heavier sphere's so i think thats why they work.Thanks for taking the time to create that master piece and for your suggestions.They are most welcome.Regards jonny
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: PYRODIN123321 on June 08, 2009, 02:45:16 PM
wow bright led!! I like the compactness of the eggs, could put the coil and the led and the 6mm neo all in the egg and seal it up. that way you have a self contained little gen., I might try that...cool stuff...
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: nievesoliveras on June 08, 2009, 05:49:53 PM
Congratulations @jonnydavro !

You and @pirate are on the lead !

Jesus
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on June 10, 2009, 08:25:08 AM
Hi .Yesterday i tested the output of my pickup coil with one stable satellite rotor and it was 7.54v AC.later i tried with a bridge rectifier and it was 8.05v DC.
@Jesus.I consider the energy pirate is collecting with his Earth battery to be free as he reports no galvanic damage so if he can scale it,he will be off grid before us all hehe.Regards jonny
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: nievesoliveras on June 10, 2009, 02:09:13 PM
@jonnydavro

Try to use that voltage with a cap and a diode as a feedback to the battery to see if it self runs.

Jesus
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Lakes on June 10, 2009, 04:08:50 PM
I think this http://www.windycitynovelties.com/13629p/ufo-light-up-led-spinning-top.html?s_cid=SHO13629 may work in a similar way?

Bits & Pieces sold something similar as well, but I can`t find it on their webpage at the moment.

Btw, love the lazymans twisted pair method  of building a coil!
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: retrod on June 11, 2009, 02:10:47 AM
I think this http://www.windycitynovelties.com/13629p/ufo-light-up-led-spinning-top.html?s_cid=SHO13629 may work in a similar way?

Bits & Pieces sold something similar as well, but I can`t find it on their webpage at the moment.

Btw, love the lazymans twisted pair method  of building a coil!

@Lakes, I have seen those spinners in novelty shops. I am not 100% sure but they appear to be similar. The 'lazy man's' coil is still working. I got the rig generating up to 75 volts while powering 34 LED's in series today  :).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqdLSMPsKx0

Dave
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: gadgetmall on June 11, 2009, 06:56:42 PM
@johnnydavro . that is incredible . I have orders 20 6mm balls today .there cheap http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150350917893&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOIBSA:US:1123  I love the idea of a sealed generator egg. maybe petri  dishes on the top and bottom of the pickup coil ? use both sides . Nice . I am going to replicate this and will probably need your help . Im shootin for your 1 volt input . Congrats !!!
Gadgetmall

Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: xenomorphlabs on June 11, 2009, 08:47:25 PM
Feeding back to the source is a heavy load.
I have tried it and eventually the main rotor will slow down that much that the speed of the satellite rotors becomes insufficient to induce a high enough voltage to charge anything. Lenz is hitting hard here  :-[
But maybe Jonny has more luck with this  ;)
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: gadgetmall on June 11, 2009, 10:00:54 PM
Feeding back to the source is a heavy load.
I have tried it and eventually the main rotor will slow down that much that the speed of the satellite rotors becomes insufficient to induce a high enough voltage to charge anything. Lenz is hitting hard here  :-[
But maybe Jonny has more luck with this  ;)
Lenz law won't have a chance here . imagine 10 to 100 satellites all producing current and the machine runs from 1. 4 volts drawing 10 milliamps . And add more satellite rotors producing  volts and Current for the cost of no more input .
Gadget
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: xenomorphlabs on June 11, 2009, 11:18:35 PM
@Gadgetmall
You will see what i mean when you have your setup going.
You wont be able to spin 100 satellites under load here.
The main rotor slows down as soon as you put a load on any pickup coil.
And it adds up, one satellite slows it down, if you bring in a second one it slows down more etc.
You will have to eventually crank up the input amp draw to increase the main rotor speed which is undesirable of course.
Except if you manage to maximize the satellite rotor top-speed and coil specs, thats the only way to maybe counter that.
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: gadgetmall on June 12, 2009, 03:33:41 AM
@Gadgetmall
You will see what i mean when you have your setup going.
You wont be able to spin 100 satellites under load here.
The main rotor slows down as soon as you put a load on any pickup coil.
And it adds up, one satellite slows it down, if you bring in a second one it slows down more etc.
You will have to eventually crank up the input amp draw to increase the main rotor speed which is undesirable of course.
Except if you manage to maximize the satellite rotor top-speed and coil specs, thats the only way to maybe counter that.
Oh . I did not know that . I assumed they ran with no effect on the main coil (:  Well that sucks however jonny has 10 going at 10 ma .
so what your saying is if i put 10 coils within 12 inches of the main coil and SHORT them the main coil will die ? DOsn't make much since being just one satellite pickup produces more energy than the run battery . an led take 3.2 to 4 volts at least 10 ma for a blue one . Even if its pulsed dc coming from that coil . Jonny can you do a diode test on that pickup coil and check the Millliamps please .Thanks
Gadget
Gadget
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: gadgetmall on June 12, 2009, 06:00:27 AM
Hi.Here is the circuit i am using.The relay i am using can be seen in the picture 2 posts above this one and if you look closely i am only using the relays coil.The way i made my coil was i bought two rolls of 26swg wire.each one had 250grams off wire on and was 170 meters long.I wound these onto a spool i got which had speaker wire on it.I made it like this as it is easy if you start off with the same lengh off wire for each winding and it seems to work good.The standard Bedini coil and lidmotors coil should work just as well as other people have replicated with different coils.It is important to put both variable resistors in.I have the 1k one turned right up to 1k and i just leave it alone and adjust the speed with the 10k pot so i could replace that with afixed resistor but your circuits may behave differently so you want this as a tuning option.Another benefit of adding the relay coil apart from reducing the amp draw is that you can recover bemf from it with a diode and cap.Hope this helps regards jonnydavro.
Jonnydavro you reported why your coil looks so different than a radio shack coil and 170 meters equates to 558 feet per wire . I think this is why you can run it so low on the volts . Do you know of  anyone who build a lidmotor style coil that is running this setup on 1 volt ?

gadget
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Pirate88179 on June 12, 2009, 06:03:52 AM
Al:

I am running mine on the Lidmotor coil and it works fine.  It is very efficient.  I have not added the mods that Jonny has to get my power requirements lower.  I believe he has added a cap and a relay to do this.  This is my next step.  But, mine did run from the EB/maxcap at 2.3 volts so I am not that far away.  PS  I love your cap and I am so glad I purchased it.

Bill
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on June 12, 2009, 12:29:21 PM
Hi.I have done a few tests with a  joule thief circuit and the joule thief will light the Led from 9" away from the main rotor,i have enclosed a pic.For this test i had the satellite running in a top from a washing up liquid bottle,the type with a plunger and it works really well.
Regarding lenz law and this setup.Lenz is alive and well but that does not mean we can't run lots off satellites with loads without stalling the main rotor.From what i have seen from my setup the main rotor can spin many satellites and its just a question of ballancing the loads you place on them.There will be a point when the lenz force from all the satellites will stall the rotor but there is one thing people are forgeting here.We are using a Bedini motor so as rotor speed decreases,so does the amp draw.With the free roaming magnet i am using the ampmeter does not stay still for long but in limotors latest vid,with his stablised Top,he shows this effect with his circuit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1pV-zHUWck

I measured the current in series with an Led today and at
 2" from the magnetitwas 2.6mA
 3 1/2" 1.8mA
 5"  1.3mA
and the current decreases as you move outwards but like i said earlier in the post you can still run a circuit at 9".Regards jonny
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: xenomorphlabs on June 12, 2009, 02:41:54 PM
Cool Jonny !
Thats a good test and satisfying measurements !
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: gadgetmall on June 12, 2009, 03:20:59 PM
@ Pirate . thank you Bill for responding on the lidmotor coil . that is encouraging that it runs from the monster cap :) I am Glad you are finding good uses for it. I also love those ultra caps . theres nothing like them . Have you tried the satellite balls ?

@jonny
 Hey that is Great information and thank you for taking those Measurements . a bigger pickup coil should produce more amps . and 4 more pickups should equal the input . Yes Bedini's are very different "motors" . in that the spin is free . the pick up might not be .I can say without a Doubt that Some Bedinis are OU . and i like the one volt battery setup you have .  AA's are cheap compared to 12 volt sla.s or 9 volt . I wonder what you will think of Next  ???  :D also Concerning your red washing cap  have you tried to put a little soap in it and see if it spins faster ?

Gadget 
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: xenomorphlabs on June 12, 2009, 04:15:50 PM
Thanks to Jonnys tip with the dish soap cap, i have a stable spinning satellite magnet going now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIe2cNCNC3Y

The voltages i can pick up though are far from what Jonny is getting.
It boggles my mind lol.
The only factors that can make the difference are:
His main rotor spins 7 times faster (which is unlikely)
His satellite magnetic field is 7 times stronger (Also not, his is N42, mine is even supposed to be N45)
His pickup coil has 7 times more turns (Mine has 7k, so his would in this case have 50k, very unlikely too hehe)

I use AWG 32 wire (0.2mm), going thinner would not deliver enough current was my thought.

Anyone has another idea?


I also reduced the system voltage to a single AA battery now, so it runs ar 1.2 Volt @ 7mA which is veeery nice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWiZNIoI1vw

Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on June 12, 2009, 08:02:36 PM
@Xenomorph.Great vids mate,nicely done with the single AA @7mA.That is very very little power.
Ok pickup voltage.Wire size is very important for pickup coils,thick gets you more current, thinner gets you more volts.I am using 40swg which is a lot thinner than your 32swg so thats one difference.
My pickup coil spool is from a roll of plumbers PTFE tape,dimentions are 52mm x 20mm with the centre hole being 25mm and is about 3/4 full of wire.
Also try running your pickup and satellite on the surface and not elevated to the same level as the rotor and now thanks to you i rechecked my earlier voltage test and made a chance discovery.
This is what i found.This  test was done  at 2.8v,With the pickup coil conected to a bridge rectifier and then to the meter.
With the satelite 6 1/2" away from the main rotor.If i just place my satellite into the pickup coil it will generate quite high voltage,3.2v.See pic 1.
If i tilt the satellite slightly and move it around against the side you can find a position where the voltage starts increasing(7.31v) so then you wedge it in that position with a piece of cardboard see pics 2 and 3.
So basically efficiency can be increased a lot more by reducing the friction in the satellites but i think its a combination of the things i have mentioned above.The voltage is there,you just have to tease it out.Hope this helps regards jonny.

Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on June 13, 2009, 04:24:01 PM
Hi.El-tigre from the energetic forum suggested and has successfully run an alternative satellite rotor consisting of a testube with a small magnet fixed to the bottom and then you can place a small rod or a bar magnet into the testube and it is levitated by the fixed magnet.I have replicated this.First i tried a 25mm x 5mm rod magnet in a 75mm x 12mm straight sided testube with a small feritte magnet hot glued to the bottom and it span but rotation was rattle and a bit eratic but this may be due to having to much wiggle room.I then tried a diametricaly magnetised bar magnet with similar results but without the small washers that El-tigre used so i will retest that when i can find some small washers.Then this morning i wondered what would happen if i used two 6mm neo spheres and boy was i shocked,this thing spins and not only that it levitates right to the top of the testube.I would be interested in any thoughts on that.I have not done any other tests on this yet but the rpm's are very high so i would expect high induced voltages.Here's some pics and a vid so you can see what i mean.Regards jonny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYJzGMilByM
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: xenomorphlabs on June 13, 2009, 08:23:17 PM
@Jonny:

I had not much luck getting significant voltages induced with the two spheres sticking together.
I believe that is due to the fact that their magnetic orientation is upwards and downwards and not perpendicular to their rotational axis. A diametrically magnetized magnet will solve this i hope.

Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pO0yYEycN4

Keep it coming,
Xenomorph
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on June 14, 2009, 12:25:28 AM
Hi.Here is a vid i did of a test with 12 stable satellites in ice cube trays.They all self started on the initial spin of the main rotor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4NrzeijnuY

@ Xenomorph.Hi.I have done a few tests including induction and at 3" from the main rotor i can induce 9.5v and at 5"-7.6v.This is with the sphere's at the top of the tube with my pickup coil at a 45 degree angle on top of the tube.If i move the testube further than 5",the sphere's stop spinning.I also tried without the magnet and it seems to levitate even better than with the repulsing magnet like you suspected.
To me it looks like the sphere's are rotating faster than the main rotor,i don't think i can get my tacho on it but if you observe it when start it it looks like it is faster to.What do you think?
There is still a lot of friction here as the sphere's are rubbing up against the side of the tube so thats something to think about.
Also i would suggest you use plastic testube's as i had 15 which i got for my small sphere inside the coil motor and i have broke 7 messing with this today.Regards jonny
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: nievesoliveras on June 14, 2009, 05:36:53 AM
@all

Congratulations to all that have attained any magnet replication but more to the ones that have attained the levitating magnets.

The problem of the circuit seeing a feedback to the source as a load and stop can be overcome by using only one leg of the pickup coil with one diode with the white band directed to the positive and connected to the source positive.  Or with the band looking away ot the negative and connected to the source negative.

Maybe I used to much words to explain this.
In other words, using just one cable from the pickup coil either to the positive or the negative, but not both.

Jesus
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: tishatang on June 14, 2009, 11:32:23 AM
Hi Jonnydavro and all,

I have limited internet access and recently looked at your thread.  This is a most awesome discovery!  If I am right, it helps solve problems in another topic, Steven Marks TPU.  Those who are interested can look at my post here:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7611.new#new

I did not want to bring this up here and distract the current direction this group is going.  So, I decided to start a new thread suggesting that ideas being developed here be the basis and the heart of a TPU.  You may not know it, but you all are heading in that direction as you start to experiment with different collectors and frequencies of rotation. 

For those of you placing the magnets inside the coils or tubes I have an idea  that might work?  Try placing sheets of bismuth inside the coils or tubes and also on the bottom.  Bismuth has the unique property of being repelled by a magnetic field.  See here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUoUSz-hD8A

Perhaps the bismuth will repel the magnet inside keeping it centered and prevent hitting the sides?  Maybe also help give it lift?  Just a guess hoping it works.  If one can not find bismuth sheets, I think the lead free shot for shot gun shells are bismuth.  You could melt them down and maybe pound thinner for experiments to center and levitate magnets?

Keep up the good work here and good luck to all.

Tishatang
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: xenomorphlabs on June 14, 2009, 04:47:47 PM
@Jesus:

Tesla One wire-style? So do you think there is no current needed to do that?
After inducing voltages that are 2V above the source battery , my main concern
now is to reach enough current to feed back to the source (7-10 mA in my setup)
But if the one-wire impulses would suffice that would be SPECTACULAR.

I will try your suggestion for sure.

Would a bridge rectifier work too (just connecting one pole of it to the battery) ?
I was figuring that would make use of the full AC wave, but maybe not for the radiant spikes.



@tishatang:

Thanks for the Bismuth tip.
Theoretically that really could help confining the satellite magnet.
The fact that it is repulsing obviously North and South pole equally is perfect.
The satellite would then not rub against the tube wall AT LEAST not due to the attraction of the bottom magnet as we have it now trying to turn around and move towards it and thereby hitting the wall.
I assume the magnet will still rub against the walls more in a random collision manner like in Eroutt´s videos because the main rotor´s field will attract/repulse it towards/away from itself and thus moving it in the XY axis.
I have no idea where to get that Bismuth stuff, will look into it.

EDIT: Coincidentally a youtube subscriber just sent me an AMAZING link.
It is actually EXACTLY what we are looking for with the test tube magnets.
It uses Bismuth plates and it allows true levitation that will prevent the magnet from hitting the tube walls and insane speeds.
The guy in the video just gave it a burst of air through a straw and states that he has measured 100k RPM on his levitated magnets.
Here is the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g135HwcLZE (http://"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g135HwcLZE")

That technology could revolutionize wind generators as well. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: xenomorphlabs on June 14, 2009, 09:08:27 PM
I have just tried Jesus suggestion with the one wire coil technique.
Unfortunately the source battery still runs down.
I first used one coil, the two in which i attached one to the plus and one to the minus of the battery (with diodes directed like he suggested)
In the end i even used 3 coils.
I am not saying that this might not work at all, just a very first attempt to do it.
Maybe Jesus has a suggestion on what to improve to to this succesfully?

I wonder if the battery has to be conditioned for negative charging for this too work?
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: chisel97 on June 14, 2009, 09:55:47 PM
Greetings Group, I'm following your ideas with great interest and I'm trying to make time to experiment as well. I got hematite sphere and "egg" working with one of my SSG coils. I'm still waiting for several components ordered for other projects but I have very curious mind :) Idea with using bismuth may be something! Just found this site - http://www.americanelements.com/bifoil.html  they have a bismuth foil, which would be easier to work with. Just an idea...

Regards

V-tech
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: nievesoliveras on June 15, 2009, 01:47:50 AM
I have just tried Jesus suggestion with the one wire coil technique.
Unfortunately the source battery still runs down.
I first used one coil, the two in which i attached one to the plus and one to the minus of the battery (with diodes directed like he suggested)
In the end i even used 3 coils.
I am not saying that this might not work at all, just a very first attempt to do it.
Maybe Jesus has a suggestion on what to improve to to this succesfully?

I wonder if the battery has to be conditioned for negative charging for this too work?

My suggestion is to use a capacitor and a diode on one of this two ways to see if we can capture that elusive feedback to the source.
This specific two are for the negative pole.

Jesus
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on June 15, 2009, 09:02:30 AM
Hi Jesus.Thanks for posting the diagram,that makes everything a lot clearer.I will try too but i have no free time till later in the week.Thanks again.Jonny
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: xenomorphlabs on June 16, 2009, 12:48:09 AM
A little update:
I have managed to charge a 3rd battery from the generator coil.
I did it like John Bedini showed it in EftV Part 7 by connecting one end of the coil
into a bridge rectifier and connected then both the output pins of the rectifier to the 3rd battery.
So thats charging without Lenz effect, placing the coil too close to the main rotor will kill its rotation though, but thats due to the metallic attraction and the magnetic field of the coil itself of course.
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: xenomorphlabs on June 16, 2009, 11:38:14 PM
I have made some long-term test now.
The first test was feeding back to the source via the potential charge method.
After 17 hours the source battery lost 0.07 Volt. (@5mA curent draw)
Then the 2nd test was without feedback
and the loss of 0.07 Volt was already occuring after 8.5 hours.
It is hard to actually measure the effect of this feedback thing, but i think
it shows a tendency.
I believe that charging an operating battery with a potential charge does not work as
good as if the battery would not operate and just sit there.
After all i charged a 3rd battery in no time with the same set-up.
The reason might be that moving ions could be be harder to potentialize for the radiant spikes.
Most feedback efforts with magnetic motors were using current-based hot charges back to the battery. Never heard of anyone successfully doing it with a radiant charge.
John Bedini has always neglected this possibility too. (Maybe just to keep his life in peace who knows)
Anyway thats my findings so far.
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: nievesoliveras on June 16, 2009, 11:56:15 PM
I have made some long-term test now.
The first test was feeding back to the source via the potential charge method.
After 17 hours the source battery lost 0.07 Volt. (@5mA curent draw)
Then the 2nd test was without feedback
and the loss of 0.07 Volt was already occuring after 8.5 hours.
It is hard to actually measure the effect of this feedback thing, but i think
it shows a tendency.
I believe that charging an operating battery with a potential charge does not work as
good as if the battery would not operate and just sit there.
After all i charged a 3rd battery in no time with the same set-up.
The reason might be that moving ions could be be harder to potentialize for the radiant spikes.
Most feedback efforts with magnetic motors were using current-based hot charges back to the battery. Never heard of anyone successfully doing it with a radiant charge.
John Bedini has always neglected this possibility too. (Maybe just to keep his life in peace who knows)
Anyway thats my findings so far.

That was the motivation for the creation of the battery switcher.
When the battery is switched to the position of the charging battery for the duration of the charging spike, it does not block the charge received.

It is very difficult to attain the switching of the batteries with the minimal operational losses.

It can be done though.

Jesus
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on June 20, 2009, 12:28:42 AM
Hi.Today i did an experiment which was suggested to me by MoonSpySudio's.This was to fill my testube satellite with water and see if the two 6mm neo sphere's  could overcome the inertia and form a vortex.Here is a vid regards jonny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1m6gGvTbApY
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: nievesoliveras on June 20, 2009, 12:56:14 PM
Hi.Today i did an experiment which was suggested to me by MoonSpySudio's.This was to fill my testube satellite with water and see if the two 6mm neo sphere's  could overcome the inertia and form a vortex.Here is a vid regards jonny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1m6gGvTbApY

Excellent!

Years ago I saw in a laboratory the way they used to mix ingredients on a large glass beak.
They put a magnet inside the glass with the ingredienst mixed with liquid and a motor with a rectangular iron bar was run under the glass beak and the ingredients were stirred and mixed thorougly.
With your setting it is easier and does not need to raise the beak on top of a stand in order to accomodate the motor under it.
Yours work with the coil at the side and no danger of getting caught on the rectangular iron bar of a motor.

Jesus
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: gadgetmall on June 20, 2009, 07:21:54 PM
Hi all . Glad you all are having good success . I on the other hand have given up .I cannot get a single magnet to spin at all . A rotor with 4 magnets spins great . I have tried three  different coils one has 5 wires . a 5 filar . the second was a trifilar and the third is a bifilare . none will spin a magnet by itself. I have tried ball magnets . rattle snake magnets . tube magnets . all diametrically magnetized . I have tried 12 volts all the way down to 1.2 volts .and every transistor from 2n3055 mps06 2n2222a all My germanium's . It wont work ! the only difference is i use a capacitor to store the extra charge and i also monitor that to see when the benini is working . It will produce plenty of voltage as long as the magnets spin on its own force but there is no repulsion upwards to keep it up and spinning .there is when a rotor whit magnets and a bearing wheel ,not with a single magnet .   So i will not be showing it on the earth Battery /Jt demo on th2  2 7th . / Dang . I would have bought one if some one could make one that works on 1.2 volts . Any one ? I now don't have the time to experiment anymore with it . The thing is i have 7 Bedinis . two run constantly OU and the rest are scattered in the PV Battery room and Golf cart and several other battery charging applications . . Bummer.I really wanted a Satellite Bedini . It would have been great exposure of Free energy as i have all the containers and coils and ball magnets . they wont spin either . Can some one wind me a coil that works for a price  ? I have everything else . I have had 0 sucess with a lidmotor coil i wound .I will Buy a COil ,Its proper core and the magnet that you use to spin on top of it . I need it kind of fast if there are any takers.

Gadget
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: retrod on June 21, 2009, 03:02:50 AM
Hi all . Glad you all are having good success . I on the other hand have given up .I cannot get a single magnet to spin at all . A rotor with 4 magnets spins great . I have tried three  different coils one has 5 wires . a 5 filar . the second was a trifilar and the third is a bifilare . none will spin a magnet by itself. I have tried ball magnets . rattle snake magnets . tube magnets . all diametrically magnetized . I have tried 12 volts all the way down to 1.2 volts .and every transistor from 2n3055 mps06 2n2222a all My germanium's . It wont work ! the only difference is i use a capacitor to store the extra charge and i also monitor that to see when the benini is working . It will produce plenty of voltage as long as the magnets spin on its own force but there is no repulsion upwards to keep it up and spinning .there is when a rotor whit magnets and a bearing wheel ,not with a single magnet .   So i will not be showing it on the earth Battery /Jt demo on th2  2 7th . / Dang . I would have bought one if some one could make one that works on 1.2 volts . Any one ? I now don't have the time to experiment anymore with it . The thing is i have 7 Bedinis . two run constantly OU and the rest are scattered in the PV Battery room and Golf cart and several other battery charging applications . . Bummer.I really wanted a Satellite Bedini . It would have been great exposure of Free energy as i have all the containers and coils and ball magnets . they wont spin either . Can some one wind me a coil that works for a price  ? I have everything else . I have had 0 sucess with a lidmotor coil i wound .I will Buy a COil ,Its proper core and the magnet that you use to spin on top of it . I need it kind of fast if there are any takers.

Gadget

@Gadget, did you try reversing one of the coils? Another thing is make sure your diode across the base/emitter junction is correct polarity and a good one. Those two things can be show stoppers. The circuit has to work, I even made it work with tubes!!!
Tonight I made an astounding discovery, ok, it's not astounding  :).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUBXmvCigBg

Dave
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Pirate88179 on June 21, 2009, 04:01:41 AM
@ Gadget:

Yes, I agree with Retrod 100%.  The Lidmotor coil and the basic circuit should be easy for you, considering what you have been able to do.  I have still not modded my circuit like Jonny's with the cap and relay but it works all the time, every time.

Tomorrow, I hope to replicate the plastic tube experiments as I found one.  I have dismantled my plate set-up and have removed my iron core form the coil.  I have a lot of catching up to do but, I want to try the high-speed turning of a single sphere and then the pair like Jonny has been doing.

I would have wound another coil but my local RS is out of mag. wire.  So, I have to make do with what I have.

Gadget, I would ship you one of my coils but, I agree with others that it is probably something simple that has been over-looked.  My first coil, I took painstaking measures to get just right, no overlaps.  It worked.  My second coil, I was in a hurry and it was not very neatly done but, it works as good as the first one.  Possibly you have a bad diode or other component....this does happen as you know.

Bill
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on June 21, 2009, 09:40:55 AM
Hi.I was going to convert a solar garden lamp i have to a bedini motor which would just sit in my garden hopefully running for 24 hours a day so instead off winding a small coil i thought i would take a relay apart and use that coil with an extra winding wrapped on,anyway when i took the relay coil out of the relay,it had an 8mm hole where the core had been so i put the garden Bedini on hold and thought i would try it as a satellite.
At first,the 6mm neo sphere was not very stable inside the coil.It would spin around inside the hole but not smoothly and it would stop quite easy but the voltage it generated was high so I then filled the hole with water and plugged both ends.This had the effect of dampening the unwanted oscillations of the sphere in such a small hole and it then ran nice and stable.I had noticed that adding water as a damper to some other satellites i had been testing was benificial.
This satellite relay coil is producing 34volts DC.Here are some pics.
@Retrod.Hi Dave.That is a very interesting experiment you show.We should be able to think of a use for this.
@Pirate.Hi Bill.I am glad you are trying the satellites.You will have fun with these.Let us know how you get on.
@Gadget.I agree with the other guys.It is probably something like they suggest or it could be even something as simple as your pot settings.With the snake egg,I have to have my 10k pot set at zero ohms and my 1k pot at 1000 ohms to start and then all adjustment is with the 10k pot unless your running at real low volts/amps and then the 1k pot is needed.Also try it aircore.Have you got a pic of your setup?
Don't give up.You will get it going.Regards jonny.

Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: nievesoliveras on June 21, 2009, 02:00:20 PM
Hi.I was going to convert a solar garden lamp i have to a bedini motor which would just sit in my garden hopefully running for 24 hours a day so instead off winding a small coil i thought i would take a relay apart and use that coil with an extra winding wrapped on,anyway when i took the relay coil out of the relay,it had an 8mm hole where the core had been so i put the garden Bedini on hold and thought i would try it as a satellite.
At first,the 6mm neo sphere was not very stable inside the coil.It would spin around inside the hole but not smoothly and it would stop quite easy but the voltage it generated was high so I then filled the hole with water and plugged both ends.This had the effect of dampening the unwanted oscillations of the sphere in such a small hole and it then ran nice and stable.I had noticed that adding water as a damper to some other satellites i had been testing was benificial.
This satellite relay coil is producing 34volts DC.Here are some pics.
@Retrod.Hi Dave.That is a very interesting experiment you show.We should be able to think of a use for this.
@Pirate.Hi Bill.I am glad you are trying the satellites.You will have fun with these.Let us know how you get on.
@Gadget.I agree with the other guys.It is probably something like they suggest or it could be even something as simple as your pot settings.With the snake egg,I have to have my 10k pot set at zero ohms and my 1k pot at 1000 ohms to start and then all adjustment is with the 10k pot unless your running at real low volts/amps and then the 1k pot is needed.Also try it aircore.Have you got a pic of your setup?
Don't give up.You will get it going.Regards jonny.

Why dont you use a sealed relay coil as the main self starter and add relay sealed pickup coils around it to harvest electricity without the need to spin a magnet to get the process started?

Jesus
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: gadgetmall on June 21, 2009, 04:33:53 PM
@Gadget, did you try reversing one of the coils? Another thing is make sure your diode across the base/emitter junction is correct polarity and a good one. Those two things can be show stoppers. The circuit has to work, I even made it work with tubes!!!
Tonight I made an astounding discovery, ok, it's not astounding  :).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUBXmvCigBg

Dave
I check it all . I have build over 10 bedini's . these coils and circuits will work fine on a ROTOR  ,they wont work on one magnet . there is not enuff repulsion to hold a magnet up much less keep it spinning ? I want to buy one if someone is willing to make a coil that works .I have 100's of transistors and diodes  and lots of different relay coils and have reversed the trigger and coil wires turned it upside down sideways . three different coils . I give up on it I have wasted 5 straight days trying to do what jonny is doing . There is not enuff magnetic repulsion to stand a magnet up on my coils . even a lidmotor coil . . are you all using iron cores ? i know jonny and some other are not using nothing in the core . this dosnt make any sence as i can't see why the magnetic repulsion is so strong without a core. any core i have feeding 12 volts will just move a magnet a little bit straight 12 volts without a core ??
Gadget
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: retrod on June 21, 2009, 05:33:03 PM
I check it all . I have build over 10 bedini's . these coils and circuits will work fine on a ROTOR  ,they wont work on one magnet . there is not enuff repulsion to hold a magnet up much less keep it spinning ? I want to buy one if someone is willing to make a coil that works .I have 100's of transistors and diodes  and lots of different relay coils and have reversed the trigger and coil wires turned it upside down sideways . three different coils . I give up on it I have wasted 5 straight days trying to do what jonny is doing . There is not enuff magnetic repulsion to stand a magnet up on my coils . even a lidmotor coil . . are you all using iron cores ? i know jonny and some other are not using nothing in the core . this dosnt make any sence as i can't see why the magnetic repulsion is so strong without a core. any core i have feeding 12 volts will just move a magnet a little bit straight 12 volts without a core ??
Gadget
@Gadget,
  Looks to me you've covered the basics. My coil is air core but it is unlike the others as it is a 500 ft spool of twisted pair telco frame hook-up wire (22 tin plated solid copper). Any wire jobber could provide such a coil 'pre made' so to speak. When I use my coil I have to give the magnet a good stong spin in the upright position, and then it builds up speed. My scope is out of service so I 'listen' to the circuit and coil with a small amplifier connected to an induction microphone, this is also good to use for some basic troubleshooting.

Dave
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: xenomorphlabs on June 21, 2009, 06:26:30 PM
@Gadgetmall:

I used welding rods at first and then noticed that it even works without them (aircore)

What magnet are you using ? Snake egg? Spheres? Cylinders?

It is key to give it a VERY fast initial spin so your hands are flying away off the strong jerk that you give it. Start with the lowest resistance setting on the pots (i sometimes have it literally to zero)
In my circuit it needs to have enough speed at first, so that the circuit can go sustain from there.
If i spin it too slowly then the ampdraw decreases to zero and the magnet stops.
But with 12 V it was easy to get it going, it will fly off the lid at that voltage once spinning.


What kept me from having an initial success i remember was that the magnet was too close to the core and got too much attraction from the metal to actually rotate. If you increase the distance it will work fine. In fact i got this working 2 feet away from the coil.
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on June 22, 2009, 12:47:39 AM
@Nievesoliveras.Hi Jesus.I am not to sure what you mean with the relay coils.Can you clarify?Regards jonny
@Retrod.Hi Dave.I have been thinking about your last vid with the rotating alu ball and i think you can do something similar to what i have been doing and that is use it as a switch.If you had it running around the edge of your plate in a guide,you could have it run over conductive contacts and maybe switch that way.Regards jonny.
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: PYRODIN123321 on June 22, 2009, 02:49:41 AM
@Gadgetmall:
I agree with retrod a good spin is really important, I thought it was too weak too but,  for me it was kinda hard to keep the poles perpendicular to the poles of the coil, so when I use it with the spheres I put a couple of BB's on the poles of the mag, they will fly off so watch your eyes....also I don't have a feedback relay or a neon. Hope you get it running...

@all:
anybody know about caps? I bought one of those floaty globes at a garage sale for 5 bucks.
doesn't work and needs a new cap, a 470uf 25v, but I only have a 35v and a 10v 470uf, which one is more likely to work? I think the higher voltage one but I am not sure and I don't want to fry the rest of the circuit....the reason I want to get this fixed is cause I want to try to hook up a bedini type setup and spin the hell out of the floating globe.....any suggestions?
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: nievesoliveras on June 22, 2009, 04:05:07 AM
@Nievesoliveras.Hi Jesus.I am not to sure what you mean with the relay coils.Can you clarify?Regards jonny
@Retrod.Hi Dave.I have been thinking about your last vid with the rotating alu ball and i think you can do something similar to what i have been doing and that is use it as a switch.If you had it running around the edge of your plate in a guide,you could have it run over conductive contacts and maybe switch that way.Regards jonny.

There is one video of a setup that claims self start and 150,000 in speed with a magnet sphere inside an air coil.
Using one self starting magnet sphere and surrounding it with sealed coils with water and spheres as the photo you posted above will make the @jonnydavro One magnet no bearing Bedini motor a good electricity harvester.

Repeat: One self starting coil with a magnet sphere inside, surrounded with pickup coils with self starting spheres inside and collecting all the outputs.

Best wishes!

Jesus
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: gadgetmall on June 22, 2009, 04:26:46 AM
@Gadgetmall:
I agree with retrod a good spin is really important, I thought it was too weak too but,  for me it was kinda hard to keep the poles perpendicular to the poles of the coil, so when I use it with the spheres I put a couple of BB's on the poles of the mag, they will fly off so watch your eyes....also I don't have a feedback relay or a neon. Hope you get it running...

@all:
anybody know about caps? I bought one of those floaty globes at a garage sale for 5 bucks.
doesn't work and needs a new cap, a 470uf 25v, but I only have a 35v and a 10v 470uf, which one is more likely to work? I think the higher voltage one but I am not sure and I don't want to fry the rest of the circuit....the reason I want to get this fixed is cause I want to try to hook up a bedini type setup and spin the hell out of the floating globe.....any suggestions?
Well being this circuit in the solar cell float globe led  isn't more than 5 volts. 10 is safe 35 is good too .Its just over protected with the 470uf @25v . and thansk for the input . i can spin the hell out of a rattle snake egg magnet and it will stand up on a plate for a second or two . so speed it no the issue here . i have been on dead top of the coil though in all my test . i will try and move it away an inch at a time and see if it takes off . thanks

Gadget
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Pirate88179 on June 22, 2009, 04:54:36 AM
Al:

I don't recall if you are using an air coil or not.  If using the iron core like I did (cut-off nails epoxied together) I found to get stable rotation I had to move the core exactly 1/2" below the top surface of the core spool. (My core slides in and out)  As I believe Jonny said, too close to the iron core, especially with this large tube magnets, really has a bad effect on the rotation.  The experiments I did tonight are with the core removed and my little sphere neo really spins up in a plastic tube.  It is not self-starting as I have to give it a little twist before dropping it into the tube but then....it takes off.

If you can't move your core (if you have one) try placing spacers at intervals to move your spin surface above the core/coil.  Again, my Lidmotor coil with the nails needed 1/2" separation to get it to stand up and spin right, and yes, this was with the snake eggs as well.

Bill
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: gadgetmall on June 22, 2009, 07:03:19 AM
I GOT IT GOING !!! SHE AINT GOING FAST BUT ITS GOING ON 2 AA BATTERYS CHARGING A 6 VOLT > Opps soory caps . It might be spinning a snake egg maybe 100 rpm ;) its slow and in an x formation in a plastic dome  but i think my egg magnet is a little out and its not drawing 5 ma  and i have 2 little satellites spinning .I 'm happy . Its late here like 1 am and i am so excited . I will let it spin tonight and play some more tomorrow . thank you guys i think i got it now .. Truly fascinating . this is going to be great !thank you all for your kind suggestions and help . I stuck a tip 3055 on it and removed a pot and it began to spin at about 1000 ohms with a relay coil and tried plates and plastic lids on top of the coil . i found a plastic dome and glued right on top of the coil ,air core and it worked ! cool .  while i wait for some more magnets i am going to miniaturize this baby to a self contained Clear Cube with some small satellite coils . I'll snap pictures tomorrow . EDIT *** ITS MORNING . QUICK Note . Its drawing 1.2 Milliamps . the batterys (2aaa) did not go down even a 10th of a volt and the 6 volts is charged !!  l8r
Gadget
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on June 22, 2009, 10:01:21 AM
@Gadget.Way to go Albert.That is great news.I know it must have been frustrating with the darn thing not working but i am glad you never gave up and your efforts have been rewarded.
If you can get a cylinder magnet with a small steel ball bearing in the central hole as a pivot spinning,it will generate a much greater rotating magnetic field and you will be able to spin many satellites.
Keep us informed of your progress and thanks for sticking with it.Regards jonny
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: xenomorphlabs on June 22, 2009, 09:13:12 PM
Quite stable levitating satellite:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oq1q6BDChx0

Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: xenomorphlabs on June 23, 2009, 03:15:06 AM
Some experiments concerning feeding energy back to the source have been made.
Since some things that have been done with bearing-based bedini motors were tried on the one magnet bearingless motor, i have dug up a conceptional idea by Bedini/Cole that has been succesfully modified by Rick Friedrich for his school boy motor.

The fact that the single main rotor magnet has no flywheel makes it difficult to attach commutators to it to do the switching, so i have tried to keep the original solid state idea.

Unfortunately there was not much effect.
I have tried bipolar transistors and MOSFETs to do the switching because i thought that the switching would maybe not happen with either one of them.
The dilemma is that solid state switching never ABSOLUTELY disconnects anything, rather it is controlled by raising the resistance in the transistors and i believe that this is the source of the
missing success of this attempt.
I will further try to find ways to deal with that.
Am no big fan of Reed switches, they have such a limited lifespan and have a limited frequency that they can switch and hall sensors dissipate power which i think is also not good.


Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy1dDLQu71Y
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: gadgetmall on June 23, 2009, 03:32:45 AM
My Mess . I charged a 6 volt SLA (6.54) with two nimh batterys volts 2.6 milliams 1.1 is the lowest i have so far . You know its easy to run this on practically nothing and generate a heck of a lot more from the pick ups . I will be playing with returning all the outputs and see if they will produce more than 2 milliamps at the primary voltage of 3 volts . I think this can easily be done with the JT on some satellites .  I will wind another super coil sometime soon as i need this to run off one volt . Anyone have a tube magnet and ball Bering they want to sell or swap me for some solar panels and rare germanium high gain transistors ?
Gadget
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: gadgetmall on June 23, 2009, 04:21:27 AM
Some experiments concerning feeding energy back to the source have been made.
Since some things that have been done with bearing-based bedini motors were tried on the one magnet bearingless motor, i have dug up a conceptional idea by Bedini/Cole that has been succesfully modified by Rick Friedrich for his school boy motor.

The fact that the single main rotor magnet has no flywheel makes it difficult to attach commutators to it to do the switching, so i have tried to keep the original solid state idea.

Unfortunately there was not much effect.
I have tried bipolar transistors and MOSFETs to do the switching because i thought that the switching would maybe not happen with either one of them.
The dilemma is that solid state switching never ABSOLUTELY disconnects anything, rather it is controlled by raising the resistance in the transistors and i believe that this is the source of the
missing success of this attempt.
I will further try to find ways to deal with that.
Am no big fan of Reed switches, they have such a limited lifespan and have a limited frequency that they can switch and hall sensors dissipate power which i think is also not good.


Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy1dDLQu71Y
a hall effect transducer and a few fets should do it .
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Pirate88179 on June 23, 2009, 10:48:37 AM
Jonny and all:

I took apart my plate set-up for my one magnet, no bearing replication and removed the core.  My 1" cylinder spins very stable now.  (Man, those things are STRONG!)  It spins very fast but I am unable to get a satellite magnet to spin from it.  When I hold one in my hand anywhere near the spinning one, I can feel very strong pulses at a high frequency...even up to about 24" away.

I am going to do some experiments with some magnet wire wrapped around the spinning magnet to see what happens.  Maybe I can pick-up some output via induction as, even though the coil will be spinning the same speed as the cylinder, it will still be turning very fast relative to the coil which is basically an electro-magnet part of the time.  Maybe nothing, maybe something...who knows?

I also want to replicate Retrod's orbiting aluminum sphere experiments as well.  So much to do.

Bill
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: gadgetmall on June 23, 2009, 04:50:02 PM
Jonny and all:

I took apart my plate set-up for my one magnet, no bearing replication and removed the core.  My 1" cylinder spins very stable now.  (Man, those things are STRONG!)  It spins very fast but I am unable to get a satellite magnet to spin from it.  When I hold one in my hand anywhere near the spinning one, I can feel very strong pulses at a high frequency...even up to about 24" away.

I am going to do some experiments with some magnet wire wrapped around the spinning magnet to see what happens.  Maybe I can pick-up some output via induction as, even though the coil will be spinning the same speed as the cylinder, it will still be turning very fast relative to the coil which is basically an electro-magnet part of the time.  Maybe nothing, maybe something...who knows?

I also want to replicate Retrod's orbiting aluminum sphere experiments as well.  So much to do.

Bill
Im running core less also Bill . Can you give me a Source of your 1 inch tube . the one jonny has is way too expensive for one magnet . like 18 dollars with the 12.99 gbp shipping  !! I got My 1 inch ball n48 magnet in and that thing spins so fast i cannot figure out a way to keep it still . It flew off like a buck shot and put a hole in the wall :) I have never seen anything spin that fast with 2 little batteries pulling so little current . I estimate 100,000 rpm . i have tried the saturn magnet but cant get it to stop rolling around . i even tried oil in the bowl . it wants to FLY or walk away  !!The only thing i can think of is floating it in a container of mercury ???????

Gadget
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: xenomorphlabs on June 23, 2009, 05:23:16 PM
@Gadgetmall:
Just use a higher base resistance to stabilize the rotation by reducing the speed.
However i think it cant possibly rotate at 100k RPM that would be 100-200 times faster as what
most people are having their magnets rotate at, especially not at 1 -2 mA and with friction.
At 12 Volt i had problems too preventing it to lift off due to the higher current provided by a 12 V battery.

I will experiment with a hall transducer-based circuit now and see if the current consumption of the hall will indeed get compensated by the return.


Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: brownsville on June 23, 2009, 06:31:13 PM
@gadgetmall - try this link for magnets - http://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=RC4CDIA

@JonnyDavro - great work going on - I have been too busy to do anything lately - I did put a compass up to the spinning snake egg and found that the side has very little effect on it but when held above the top of the magnet it spun the compass. Perhaps this helps explain the additional power when the pick up coils are tilted.

@zenomorph - everything that I have read on pickup coils states that the opening size (center) of the coil should be close to the same size as the diameter of the magnet that is being used - a 2" magnet would require a 2" diameter center. This could account for the differences that you and Jonny are having in your coils. If possible could you wind a pickup coil on a much smaller diameter bobbin to see if this makes a big difference?

I did mess around with an aircore (lidmotor coil with the iron core removed) and got a 5/8" round going great. Also got a number (6) satelites (1/8") spinning using an Xwobble snake egg magnet...fun stuff. Really looking forward to getting some of the cylinder mags soon.

Brownsville
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Pirate88179 on June 23, 2009, 07:36:21 PM
Al:

Here is where I got mine:

http://www.magnet4less.com/index.php?cPath=13&osCsid=a868f027ba7724ab79125c2c77ca7a49

$4.40 ea.  Watch the minimum order as I was going to get 3 but was able to get 5 for just a dollar or two more.  These, as all of them probably are, are so strong, if 2 get stuck together, it is very hard to get them apart.  I am still pretty strong and I am telling you it took me 5 minutes last night to get 2 of them apart.

Bill
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on June 23, 2009, 08:07:53 PM
@Xenomorph.Nice work with the levitating satelite.I wonder if you could introduce rotation by bringing in a slave coil?
Regarding your feedback to source circuit.You may be able to use optocouplers as these will isolate the coils.
Have you seen comwarriors vids on feed back to source?
He is using optocouplers and this may give you some more options and idea's.
@Pirate.Hi Bill.Your setup should be great for spinning the cylinder and satellites now you have removed the core.Is what you need to do to get the satellites going is first drop your voltage right down.I would try two AA batteries first and you can always add more later.The satellites are spinning in the rotating magnetic field and if it is rotating to fast the satellites can't react to it.
What kind of containers are you using for the satellites?I use small plastic containers with a slight taper for the orbiting satellites.If these are paced upside down with the taper facing down,the 6mm sphere rotates in a nice flat orbit.You just give these a quick flick with your wrist and these start.This type of satellite is not as good for induction as the stable satellite.
The stable satellite is easy to do.You just need to contain the sphere in a very small container.I have been using tops of washing up liquid bottles,the type which has a push pull plunger.I posted a pic earlier of this type.I have used ice cube trays but you need to tilt the tray so the spheres are resting against the front wall.
Now the trick to starting the stable one's is this.Place your satellites about 6"  away from your rotor and then give your cylinder rotor a slow WOBBLY spin.It's the intial wobblyness of the rotor which starts them up.You should here a crackling noise like rain on a tin roof.You can start more by holding them close to the rotor until you here them crackling and then move them away and they will keep going.
You can use a pick up coil to light a led to show you they are generating.I would makeone using 40 swg mag wire as i seem to be able to recover quite high voltages with mine.A coil from a relay is even better if you can find one where you can fit the sphere inside the hole where the core used to be.
So to sum up Bill.Drop your voltage and a nice wobbly initial spin should get you going.
@Gadget.Hi Al.Sounds like you are having some fun now ay.I think the cyinders are more economical than the snake eggs so you may see a further reduction on your already miniscule current draw.Happy experimenting.
@Brownsville.Hi and thanks.I am glad you are still with us and quietly working away.Nice job with the six satellites of a snake egg.Try and get a cylinder if you can and thanks for the info
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: gadgetmall on June 23, 2009, 11:55:14 PM
Thanks Jonny . your on to something here . I am Now an Affiliate for the BIG FAT TUBE Diametrical Magnetized MAGNETS . they are in two sizes  the largest is 1 inch X 1 inch and very Strong and Cheap . If interested Click on the picture of them on My Site and you will be redirected to the Applied Magnetic s  . Many Thanks if you do get them from that link www.sunpowerwindpower.com . Thanks and Happy Experimenting !!I'm having fun !
Gadget
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: xenomorphlabs on June 24, 2009, 12:28:32 AM
A made a test with a reed switch to isolate the circuit while discharging a tertiary winding into the source but it does not work as expected.
Since the school boy motor runs at very low RPM too, i even tried it with zero base resistance and low voltage because i also found out that the reed switch would not let enough radiant energy pass through it at high RPMs even though there is sparks in the reed tube.
I verified this using a 3rd battery and it charged at low RPM but not at high RPM.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a306xylLNx0

Next i will try hall transducers with MOSFETs, which switch faster than reeds but dont isolate completely.

@Jonnydavro: I will look into the opto-coupler variant of the guy, i used a photovoltaic MOSFET driver that also isolates the gate.
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: xenomorphlabs on June 24, 2009, 04:27:34 AM
@Gadgetmall:

Are you actually using different components than those in Jonnydavros circuit?
I just had the idea you might be using a germanium transistor or something like that to have the magnet spinning at 1mA. Or some kind of tank circuit.
You see my lowest amperage under which the magnet stops rotating is like 3 mA and that is with all resistances set to zero, or maybe your coil is indeed somehow different.
I d like to find a way to speed the magnet up and still run at low amperage and you said you even consider the rotation to be extremely fast.

Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: gadgetmall on June 24, 2009, 05:44:13 AM
@Gadgetmall:

Are you actually using different components than those in Jonnydavros circuit?
I just had the idea you might be using a germanium transistor or something like that to have the magnet spinning at 1mA. Or some kind of tank circuit.
You see my lowest amperage under which the magnet stops rotating is like 3 mA and that is with all resistances set to zero, or maybe your coil is indeed somehow different.
I d like to find a way to speed the magnet up and still run at low amperage and you said you even consider the rotation to be extremely fast.
I am using two pots one resistor a coil from a 110 volt relay a tip3055 transistor and this particular coil is the secret . i originally wound the coil you see on a 1/4 piece of pvc pipe with two cut out circles of Lucite for the ends of the coil . i only wound one wire . 500 feet of # 24 / i was using this coil as a pickup coil only on a rotor bedini . Well i wound just 350 turns around that coil the other night and used it for a trigger . The egg magnet wobbles and spins SLOW but the output is fed in to two 50 volt caps in series on the output side of the circuit  so it charges up very quick to over 100 volts fast . i t is running on 2 nimh batterys .I have tried 12 volts and did not get the magnet to spin any faster .the reason is there is like only two tiny layers of trigger on that big spool of wire . the distance of the trigger coil is about the length of the egg magnet so it like to wobble right on the edge of that trigger wire . look the green is the original 500 feet and the red is 350 turns . Its a limited trigger area. and its spinning with no noticeable drop running it for over two days and playing with different magnets . i run it all night and day . so far so good . Its spins a few satellite good but slow .I set a pot on each leg of the relay coil and the resistor is at the base .i could only get it to wobble spin on one side of this coil but it is steady and i have a cone of silence on it now :) Now i was playing with that big sphere neo  and it will spin fast on the edge of the red and green but it spins so fast it eventually starts to dig in and run away . i am sure the current draw is high with it spinning so fast .I even tried oil on the bowl but i think i saw smoke and it eventually burns it away and then fires off the bowl like a buck shot from hell ! the Egg on this one is a jewel .It purrrrs with its slow wobble . I am making another one and leaving this one to do its thing . i will probably mount the electronics and coil in a nice container and let it run as is and charge away . I will work on that swapper circuit of mine with the 555 timer and make it flop two sets of batteries . My next coil will be made just for this project . 4 wires litz .
Gadget
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Pirate88179 on June 24, 2009, 06:19:03 AM
Jonny:

Thanks for the tips and the advice.  Once I removed the core, I tried a small neo sphere, about 1/4" dia. and placed it in a plastic test ube like container that closely matched the dia. of the sphere.  I stuck that down inside the coil and, with a little spin (9 volts supplied) that thing took off and sang like a turbine engine!

I tried the same tube later for my satelitte but it did not work.  but, you are correct, my main rotor mag. was spinning very fast.  I will try the lower input power to see what happens.  I may have enough adjustment with my 2 pots to slow it down, but, I doubt it.

There are so many things to try with this device, it makes my head spin.  Just holding a small neo in your hand anywhere near the spinning primary magnet gives off very strong vibrations.  This is so cool.  I wonder what magnetic tape would do?  I wonder if we could capture energy using the mag. tape like that guy that made the wind device with magnetic tape vibrating between 2 coils in a very slow wind?

Again, the possibilities are endless here.

Thanks again.

Bill
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: gadgetmall on June 24, 2009, 06:27:16 AM
Bill
Thank you for the Source of the tube magnets . i order 4 of the 1 inch and a 3/4 inch one . I am now also an affiliate with them . thank you so much . I am getting lost in the bedini sickness again . i thought i had done it all and now look at this thing . i bet this will be an easy ou device shortly when combined with a Jt . Mine running at 1 millamp and putting out a 100 look s promising !

Albert
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Pirate88179 on June 24, 2009, 06:47:02 AM
Albert:

Glad to hear that.  They seem to be a good company in that, I placed my order, and they very promptly sent me what I ordered.  I agree that we have just begun to explore what these things can do.  As you know, I already ran one of these tubes and a Bedini circuit from my earth battery and the ultracap I ordered from you.  After seeing what Jonny has been able to do, as well as you, and Retrod, and Xenomorph, Brownsville, and the others, I am going to have trouble keeping up.

Great job on the low amp draw.  I am sure you could run this from one of your EB's easily.

Bill
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: synchro1 on June 24, 2009, 06:48:07 AM
@Gadgetmall- You're progress is awesome! Here's a simple example that may help. Imagine a simple solenoid, a tube with a handful of windings. and a magnet plunger that we propel with a pulse. If we increase the field strength of the plunger, it will travel further in the tube with the same pulse current, right? So the greater the magnet strength, the more the spinning magnet is going to turn on the pulse coil.
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: gadgetmall on June 24, 2009, 01:37:56 PM
@Gadgetmall- You're progress is awesome! Here's a simple example that may help. Imagine a simple solenoid, a tube with a handful of windings. and a magnet plunger that we propel with a pulse. If we increase the field strength of the plunger, it will travel further in the tube with the same pulse current, right? So the greater the magnet strength, the more the spinning magnet is going to turn on the pulse coil.
Hi . and Welcome on behalf of jonnydavro me and the others testing . . Your first post is flattering  :P :P Thanks a bunch . I am not sure what you are trying to describe:) I know that because the magnet egg spins on mine slow that the transistor ON time which turn on the power coil to keep the rotation wobble going is very slow compared to something that spins at light speed which turns on the transistor 100's of time a  second . mine maybe 5 times a second .the voltage required looks to be about 2 volts so far on this coil at 1 Ma  to keep the magnet wobble spin .I have seen it dip lower to 0.83 milliamps . In this case more voltage (12)did nothing but raise the current draw after adjustment to 2 and 3 milliamps . it did not go faster because of the area of my trigger coil is limited . once the edges of the magnet hit the trigger area it stays there .the edges of my magnet ride on the red . that is how much it will stand up . now if i did this coil litz then it would stand up straight and spin like crazy .. I have a 5 strand litz i will also try again now that i got the circuit working and know what to look for . this run the heavy 1 inch tube magnet very fast i am sure . i will play with tank s on the base pots to reduce the current draw . one thing is the relay coil indeed reduced the draw dramatically ! i have not even tried to capture that energy yet . i forgot jonny is doing that . You need to make one and join in the Fun .this is what i do for fun :)  once you see what it does its addictive . i am so amazed at John Bedini's stuff as you know the rotation of the magnet is free and an extra source of power . He uses opto coupler in in his book of circuits . I bought it for 50 dollars and it contains some interesting information not available on the net .
Gadget
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: xenomorphlabs on June 24, 2009, 02:28:28 PM
@Gadgetmall:

Thanks for the photos and the detailed description.
It becomes apparent that you have made a main coil with quite different dimensions from what Jonny, myself and others use for their main coil. Seems like the diameter is even smaller than the length of the snake egg. Also the fact that you dont use an actual bifilar coil, but limited to trigger winding to the upper quarter of the coil winding it on top of the power winding is interesting.
Is it wound the same direction as the power winding (i mean clockwise or anticlockwise?)
Is it also the same gauge than the power winding (AWG 24) ?
That opens room for a lot of speculations.
If i am not mistaken the trigger coil is then actually only exposed to one magnetic polarity of the power coil becoming an electromagnet during the induction. Maybe that offers a big advantage?
Also commwarrior has found out that windings on top of main coils can have only a minimal Lenz effect on the magnet/power coil when wound in a certain direction in regards to how the power coil is wound (not sure which)
Possible capacitive effects between the trigger and power winding are also reduced.

Very interesting really.

110 V relay coil ? Ahh one of them magic ones, okay that will be impossible for me to find anywhere hehe.

Keep it up,
Xenomorph
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: gadgetmall on June 24, 2009, 04:00:28 PM
@Gadgetmall:

Thanks for the photos and the detailed description.
It becomes apparent that you have made a main coil with quite different dimensions from what Jonny, myself and others use for their main coil. Seems like the diameter is even smaller than the length of the snake egg. Also the fact that you dont use an actual bifilar coil, but limited to trigger winding to the upper quarter of the coil winding it on top of the power winding is interesting.
Is it wound the same direction as the power winding (i mean clockwise or anticlockwise?)
Is it also the same gauge than the power winding (AWG 24) ?
That opens room for a lot of speculations.
If i am not mistaken the trigger coil is then actually only exposed to one magnetic polarity of the power coil becoming an electromagnet during the induction. Maybe that offers a big advantage?
Also commwarrior has found out that windings on top of main coils can have only a minimal Lenz effect on the magnet/power coil when wound in a certain direction in regards to how the power coil is wound (not sure which)
Possible capacitive effects between the trigger and power winding are also reduced.

Very interesting really.

110 V relay coil ? Ahh one of them magic ones, okay that will be impossible for me to find anywhere hehe.

Keep it up,
Xenomorph
The second trigger was wound the same direction of the power coil . Actually the trigger coil is a little smaller than the width but when the magnet wobbles its edges stay on the trigger coil so you can get an idea of the height of the wobble spin . I go this relay from an old militarist power distributions box . i am lucky in that i have a 10 acre surplus yard 7 miles from me and i can look all day long and get a bucket full of neat old military stuff for a few dollars ,including meters coils transformers switches ,and they have barrels of magnite and iron filings and chromium powders and yea its great .they have all the old univac computers and neat stuff with lights ,relays switches . In fact i unwound a transformer to get that 500 feet of green wire for this coil .  secondary WIRE is #26  I GUESSED at the primary wire  I DON'T THINK IT MATTERS . the coil and spool i made is three inches long .As far as relay coils gos you got one . just find an old barber shop hair clipper (the one that buzzes)and get the coil out of it .I this 220 volt coil will be even better i pick them up at the flea market for a buck and they make NICE picups !!!lots of windings . Other common Sources of relay coils are on washing machines water control valves and ice making refrigerators water controller solenoids and most Tvs that are thrown away have a few relays in them for a delay / also remember the yoke on a tv tube is full of wire . As far as the trigger goes  it takes two magnetic polarities to make the transistor do its thing . Of Coarse the power coil is also producing two Voltage polarities , one to repell and the other bemf to charge the secondary . I am sure the trigger is absorbing some of that energy but not much. now if i wind one more coild aroung this setup i will have a way to pull the induced voltage from the power coil threw the trigger coil  i think . ? anyways . its a done deal on this first one here . i am happy with it and am already making the second one . I have 6 strong magnets so im making 6 rotor s/coils / Why stop at the 10 or 11 bedinis i all ready made . this is fun  . I want to give one to my dad and my brothers . i can run a Jt off the secondary battery and light 30 and 40 white leds with a tiny 2 milliamp drew on a germanium transistor tanked Joule thief . this is Very interesting .
gadget
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: synchro1 on June 25, 2009, 12:44:38 AM
Bill
Thank you for the Source of the tube magnets . i order 4 of the 1 inch and a 3/4 inch one . I am now also an affiliate with them . thank you so much . I am getting lost in the bedini sickness again . i thought i had done it all and now look at this thing . i bet this will be an easy ou device shortly when combined with a Jt . Mine running at 1 millamp and putting out a 100 look s promising !

Albert

I'm stuck in Ecuador right now a long way from my shop. I'm really itching to get back and tinker. In the mean time, it looks as though you simply wrapped an output coil around your power coil. There's no way the additional 100 ma can be attributed to back emf right? I am completely flabbergasted by your claim! I don't see how anyone could improve over your wobbly low amp draw high output ratio. I can't see how anyone could improve over 100x COP. This makes any other form of power generation obsolete. Seems like a good place to stop.     
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: gadgetmall on June 25, 2009, 01:06:48 AM
I'm stuck in Ecuador right now a long way from my shop. I'm really itching to get back and tinker. In the mean time, it looks as though you simply wrapped an output coil around your power coil. There's no way the additional 100 ma can be attributed to back emf right? I am completely flabbergasted by your claim! I don't see how anyone could improve over your wobbly low amp draw high output ratio. I can't see how anyone could improve over 100x COP. This makes any other form of power generation obsolete. Seems like a good place to stop.   
Well Its nothing for a bedini to produce high volts but its cool to see one do it on 1 milliamp and 2 small batteries . . i have built more than i can count on one hand and they all fire neons on the out put . The coil i wound over the power coil is called a TRIGGER . We can help you build one .
I Don't Claim anything that hasn't been proved already by someone however 1 milliamp is really nothing . Its due to the Slow Wobble spin , I'm making a Video of it the week as soon as i can tidy it up a bit .

gadget
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on June 25, 2009, 02:58:49 AM
@Gadget.Hi Al.You are definatly in the groove with this one.The lowest i can sustain rotation with a snake egg is 1.34v at 4mA and that was on a watch battery so you have worked some magic on this as 1mA  is amazing and i can only think it is down to your coil as it is radically different as Xenomorph mentioned to what we are using.
I can run the cylinder magnets on less than 4mA so they are more economical on my setup than the snake egg so if this is the same for you it may go under 1mA.
I was wondering if you have any snake eggs which stand completly upright as i found that the vertical spinners were more efficient than the "X" spinner so you may find further savings there.
I like what you are doing with this Al and if you can use some of your JT tricks to optimise the circuit,it would be great.Many thanks jonny.
@Synchro.Hi.Glad you made it over here.It must be frustrating for you to be such a big part of this project but not have access to you workshop.
Your questions and idea's are most welcome and we can't wait to see your first spinner.Regards jonny
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: gadgetmall on June 25, 2009, 03:49:57 AM
@Gadget.Hi Al.You are definatly in the groove with this one.The lowest i can sustain rotation with a snake egg is 1.34v at 4mA and that was on a watch battery so you have worked some magic on this as 1mA  is amazing and i can only think it is down to your coil as it is radically different as Xenomorph mentioned to what we are using.
I can run the cylinder magnets on less than 4mA so they are more economical on my setup than the snake egg so if this is the same for you it may go under 1mA.
I was wondering if you have any snake eggs which stand completly upright as i found that the vertical spinners were more efficient than the "X" spinner so you may find further savings there.
I like what you are doing with this Al and if you can use some of your JT tricks to optimise the circuit,it would be great.Many thanks jonny.
@Synchro.Hi.Glad you made it over here.It must be frustrating for you to be such a big part of this project but not have access to you workshop.
Your questions and idea's are most welcome and we can't wait to see your first spinner.Regards jonny
I have three sets coming from harbor freight . not yet . one of the two i have will not even wobble . that was the first one i was messing with and all most gave up and just happened to change magnets and get the right resistance . After i did i put the second pot back on and then hooked My amp meter up . I Think the best way to measure current is with a one ohm resistor in series with your battery then you can measure the circuit without putting your meter in series and just across the resistor . the first measurement i did was in series . Its the same .
Gadget
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on June 25, 2009, 10:25:06 AM
@Gadgetmall.Hi Al.I have found also that no two snake eggs are the same.I have some which refuse to spin on low volts also so it really is a lottery with these.With your three sets you may get a vertical spinner but if you don't,let me know and i will send you some.Regards jonny
P.S If you get the chance Al,pop over to the energetic forum as there is also a thread on this motor over there and i am sure everyone there will be interested in your experiments.Many thanks Jonny
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: gadgetmall on June 25, 2009, 10:54:05 PM
@all . i know you all will not believe this but i have got that unit to selfchagre and run feeding back the secondary to the primary and the primary is climbing .I kid you not . This  is the third self running bedini it looks like . Ok i ditched th e2.6 volts this morning and hooked up the 6 volt sla battery as the primary and 2.6 volt as the secondary . the 6 volt was a bad battery and read 5.99 volts . I decided to try My feedback method that works on My other 48 volt fan bedini . the only modification i did was remove the secondary batter install an sk3606 in series with one secondary wire the one that comes from the positive off the secondary cap and anode of the diode and fed it thru the sk3606 to positive where the run connection is . now the primary battery is reading 6.52 and climbing as it is running the egg. WOW . i'lll let you know more later after  9 est as i have to take my daughter to bible school .I had to do a wuick test before i go . i stopped the magnet and the volts are reading 5.38 just as soon as i start the magnet it jumps to over 6.65 and then settled to 6.52 -6.53 Amazing stuff.
Gadget
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: nievesoliveras on June 25, 2009, 11:43:46 PM
@all . i know you all will not believe this but i have got that unit to selfchagre and run feeding back the secondary to the primary and the primary is climbing .I kid you not . This  is the third self running bedini it looks like . Ok i ditched th e2.6 volts this morning and hooked up the 6 volt sla battery as the primary and 2.6 volt as the secondary . the 6 volt was a bad battery and read 5.99 volts . I decided to try My feedback method that works on My other 48 volt fan bedini . the only modification i did was remove the secondary batter install an sk3606 in series with one secondary wire the one that comes from the positive off the secondary cap and anode of the diode and fed it thru the sk3606 to positive where the run connection is . now the primary battery is reading 6.52 and climbing as it is running the egg. WOW . i'lll let you know more later after  9 est as i have to take my daughter to bible school .I had to do a wuick test before i go . i stopped the magnet and the volts are reading 5.38 just as soon as i start the magnet it jumps to over 5 .65 and then settled to 6. 52 -53 Amazing stuff.
Gadget

Congratulations @gadget!

My self charger quit on me by burning the diodes the first time and by burning the coil this time.
I have to check which connection wire is at fault (the base or the collector wire) by unwinding the bar ferrite coil and when I find out the guilty wire it will be rewired three times the original amount of turns.

Jesus
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: gadgetmall on June 26, 2009, 01:11:27 AM
@all heres a video showing this replication with the addition and showing you what i mean . Its not a trick and i'm not showing you anything tricky as i never do . It does what it does all day today .It now up a few more volts .
@Jesus . thank you . you can make this one  . i am sure .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIrOYOXLuvQ
Gadget
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: synchro1 on June 26, 2009, 01:18:27 AM
You're reporting the starting voltage of the 6 volt battery at 5.99, and the voltage at the end of the run at 5.38. Perhaps there's nothing significant going on.
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: gadgetmall on June 26, 2009, 01:26:24 AM
You're reporting the starting voltage of the 6 volt battery at 5.99, and the voltage at the end of the run at 5.38. Perhaps there's nothing significant going on.
Mistake  end volts 6.52 today . check my video and you will see what i'm talking about . i was in a rush earler > it might be empty voltage but i dont care cause it run on empty voltage  :) Its charging the primary either way
Gadget
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: synchro1 on June 26, 2009, 01:38:27 AM
I just looked at your video. I got a Bedini to run and charge like that, so I'm already a big believer. Perhaps it's time to pop the corks after all. Congratulations for going over the top again!
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: gadgetmall on June 26, 2009, 01:59:26 AM
This was a dead Sla three days ago .this is the one iwas using as a secondary and trying to recondition as it would not charge up over 3 volts with a NOrmal Charger . After 3 days this battery settled this morning (6am) at 5.99 steady so ooo. after all day long selfcharging it got HIGHER AND HIGHER and still ran . I'll give it a few more days before i pop the cork . I want to capture the relay coil power and charge another battery OR run a JT Led circuit . Damn I just cant quit :)

Gadget
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Mk1 on June 26, 2009, 02:04:15 AM
@gadget

Nice video ! keep the good work, tell me witch mk would you like 1,2,3,8,hv ...

Also do you have any idea on how to make relay triggered jt at 6 or 12 volts ?

Mark
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: nievesoliveras on June 26, 2009, 04:21:21 AM
@all heres a video showing this replication with the addition and showing you what i mean . Its not a trick and i'm not showing you anything tricky as i never do . It does what it does all day today .It now up a few more volts .
@Jesus . thank you . you can make this one  . i am sure .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIrOYOXLuvQ
Gadget

To make a replication of your excellent work I will need a detailed schematic.
Are you going to share with the public that information?

Jesus
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: gadgetmall on June 26, 2009, 04:48:08 AM
@gadget

Nice video ! keep the good work, tell me witch mk would you like 1,2,3,8,hv ...

Also do you have any idea on how to make relay triggered jt at 6 or 12 volts ?

Mark
Hi Mk1 . thanks for dropping in and checking out that thing i did . Yes the one we talked about 800 HV ,, and yea you buzz the relay and interrupt the primary .Right ..I know how . You know i am or want to deal strictly with 1 volt stuff . this bedini is nice but not tuned to my liking However if it runs all week long on My dead sla i will have to let it ride !!!!
@jonny i am going to mod you schematic components to match mine if you don't mind . ok ? Really the only difference is the two caps on the secondary output . i took one wire from the positive connection there and ran it thru My monster sk3606 rectifier/diode to the positive terminiam . the other secondary wire (neg)is not needed ,,

Gadget
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Mk1 on June 26, 2009, 04:56:01 AM
Hi Mk1 . thanks for dropping in and checking out that thing i did . Yes the one we talked about 800 HV ,, and yea you buzz the relay and interrupt the primary .Right ..I know how . You know i am or want to deal strictly with 1 volt stuff . this bedini is nice but not tuned to my liking However if it runs all week long on My dead sla i will have to let it ride !!!!
@jonny i am going to mod you schematic components to match mine if you don't mind . ok ? Really the only difference is the two caps on the secondary output . i took one wire from the positive connection there and ran it thru My monster sk3606 rectifier/diode to the positive terminiam . the other secondary wire (neg)is not needed ,,

Gadget


Do not worry i will use a 6 volt relay jt at 60hz powered by a 1.5 volt jt at 40mhz

You get the picture ?

Mark

i will need to buy some wire to fill that order , i will asap.

But think about relay thing !


 
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: gadgetmall on June 26, 2009, 05:23:30 AM
One more think . you have to remember that this voltage i am feeding back is not true STATIC VOLTAGE ANYMORE because i run it thru caps which make that BEMF voltage have Current . So caps do store AMPS before it hits the run battery . they are getting some push !!remember this battery was 3 volts trashcan material 6 or 7 days ago . i just decided to run it for the davro seup cause it was handy and had wires on it:) it did charge up to 5.99 steady . we will see . tomorrow is the cap test ,that is ULTRA CAP test /
Gadget
Nite nite
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on June 26, 2009, 01:39:32 PM
@Gadgetmall.WOW Al.This is exactly why i was so pleased that you never gave up on the build and i was hoping you would try your mods.I have just looked at your vid and it is looking good and the way the battery climbs up when you connect the feedback is quite remarkable.To go from 5.99v to 6.56v shows you have something here so feel free to post your circuit as i think there will be a few who wish to replicate,including myself.
Please include all details and tips you feel are needed for a successful rep.
Thanks for sharing your success with us Al and let us know how your further tests go.Regards jonny
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: xenomorphlabs on June 26, 2009, 04:10:41 PM
I agree with Jonny, Gadget always comes up with things that defy the restrictions of other people´s setups hehe.
I have for instance tried a wobbling x spinner in my setup and could not get it to spin under 60 mA !!!
But this made me understand that what we do with the cylindrical magnet is actually a very weird thing. I believe that it runs on such low amperage because it actually MINIMALLY induces currents/voltages in the coils. What i mean is that the whole magnetic axis orientation is really wrong from the perspective of wanting to induce the highest current/coltage as it only permeates the coil area with the bent-away outside magnetic flux lines and not with the full magnetic force.
So the wobbler (since it is in an angle to the coils) creates much more induction and logically draws more current as the transistor is more open. Increasing the resistance even slightly stops the magnet.


Made a vid of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOwuyfwkUmo


EDIT: I had totally overlooked that when i first saw it, Gadgetmall`s magnet is not a typical wobbler, it is even much more angular than that. It doesnt fight to stand straight but more alternatingly lifts up with one end from a more or less lying position. That is interesting, the bowl he uses contributes to that too, it wouldnt work on a totally flat surface.
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: gadgetmall on June 26, 2009, 04:17:41 PM
hereis a rough schematic . Maybe jesus can clean it up . Its My selfcharger /runner Modification of the Jonnydavro circuit . for test only but mine appears to be WORKING !!!!!!Im a little delayed with caps making some measurments and junk . I noticed that ther is an ac component and it reads 13 volts on the ac scale so its still pulsed dc hitting the battery . I accdently shorted the battery and it dropped to 5 . 8 volts but recovered slightly . as soon as i gave it a spin its back up to 6 . 65  .. more test . i have to disconnect those ultracaps from my Earthbattery setup and have to make measurements and stuff on them first . doing research for Advanced Research systems in the Black mountains for Greg On Earth Batteries . As far as tips . the BOWL i use was a Yellowed Garden solar panel cover for one of those stick in the ground landscape solar lights . I found a few in the junk yard and used the panels and circuits and almost threw this piece of plastic away . in fact i did throw away the other on e.Just goes to show that you need to keep everything . The new Cone of silence was a piece of trash that the lady at big lots gave me . i found it in the trashcan and asked her if i could have it . she put it in the bag with my prucheses :) The Coil IS the reason i get LOw Ma draw . Its the Limited trigger area along withthe very slow wobble . It stopped a few minuits ago . I tried starting it and noticed it was digging in and some black marks were in the wobble path on the bowl . it was digging in and shooting the magnet up the bowl off the trigger path . i cleaned it with window cleaner and she it good to go again . It must have been a little oil left on it and as the mag wobbled some of the dirt stuck and make it sticky . It likes clean surfaces . .
Gadget
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: nievesoliveras on June 26, 2009, 05:00:46 PM
hereis a rough schematic . Maybe jesus can clean it up . Its My selfcharger /runner Modification of the Jonnydavro circuit . for test only but mine appears to be WORKING !!!!!!Im a little delayed with caps making some measurments and junk . I noticed that ther is an ac component and it reads 13 volts on the ac scale so its still pulsed dc hitting the battery . I accdently shorted the battery and it dropped to 5 . 8 volts but recovered slightly . as soon as i gave it a spin its back up to 6 . 65  .. more test . i have to disconnect those ultracaps from my Earthbattery setup and have to make measurements and stuff on them first . doing research for Advanced Research systems in the Black mountains for Greg On Earth Batteries . As far as tips . the BOWL i use was a Yellowed Garden solar panel cover for one of those stick in the ground landscape solar lights . I found a few in the junk yard and used the panels and circuits and almost threw this piece of plastic away . in fact i did throw away the other on e.Just goes to show that you need to keep everything . The new Cone of silence was a piece of trash that the lady at big lots gave me . i found it in the trashcan and asked her if i could have it . she put it in the bag with my prucheses :) The Coil IS the reason i get LOw Ma draw . Its the Limited trigger area along withthe very slow wobble . It stopped a few minuits ago . I tried starting it and noticed it was digging in and some black marks were in the wobble path on the bowl . it was digging in and shooting the magnet up the bowl off the trigger path . i cleaned it with window cleaner and she it good to go again . It must have been a little oil left on it and as the mag wobbled some of the dirt stuck and make it sticky . It likes clean surfaces . .
Gadget

I will try to straighten it up.

Jesus
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: nievesoliveras on June 26, 2009, 06:03:37 PM
@all

Here is the graphic for your consideration.

Jesus
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: xenomorphlabs on June 26, 2009, 08:18:19 PM
@Jesus:

Gadget will confirm it maybe but i believe the capacitors have to be poled the other way around like you edited it (just like the charge battery which has ben removed by him completely).
Also there is only 1 10k pot, if i interpret Gadget`s drawing correctly.
But more resistance control can never be bad hehe.

I went out shopping and had a real hard time to find that perfect curvature bowl, they are either too big or too steep. I will check the garden dept. for that solar stuff.

Cant wait to find out if Gadget will be able to do this also with the cylindrical magnet.

I am currently running one at no noticable current (analogue meter :/) and 4.5 V.


Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: nievesoliveras on June 27, 2009, 02:08:31 AM
@Jesus:

Gadget will confirm it maybe but i believe the capacitors have to be poled the other way around like you edited it (just like the charge battery which has ben removed by him completely).
Also there is only 1 10k pot, if i interpret Gadget`s drawing correctly.
But more resistance control can never be bad hehe.

I went out shopping and had a real hard time to find that perfect curvature bowl, they are either too big or too steep. I will check the garden dept. for that solar stuff.

Cant wait to find out if Gadget will be able to do this also with the cylindrical magnet.

I am currently running one at no noticable current (analogue meter :/) and 4.5 V.

I repaired the extra 10k pot. The caps suppose to be in series and that is in series. The battery can be left there and charge it at the same time or if @gadget say so I will eliminate it.
I can see it on the changes he made. It is not eliminated.

I hope it is okay. I also eliminated the neon bulb.

Jesus

Edit:
I think you are right about the capacitors direction. They should go as the charging battery.
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: eric64 on June 27, 2009, 09:29:49 AM
Hello,
I'm new to this forum and very excited to find it.
I have a question that is not related to this subject exactly but I hope you will help me anyway.
I have built a few VERY simple magnetic devices from some of the drawings JB has posted and would like to do more. But I don't know how to read the schematics or what courses to take to understand more about this. Electricity, Electronics, Physics?
Would it be best to enroll for electrical engineering or something?
We have a few very good tech schools and universities in my home town my problem is with direction. Mr. Bedini has said several times that they don't teach this stuff in college but I need some kind of starting/reference point.
Any advice you could give would be very much appreciated.
Best regards,
Eric
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Pirate88179 on June 27, 2009, 09:46:57 AM
eric:

Welcome.  You will enjoy this forum.  I have an engineering background and had a good working knowledge of electricity when I arrived here about 2 years ago.  I had basically no knowledge of electronics until I got here.  I did a lot of reading both here, and in books.  I also watched a lot of great instructional lectures on youtube given by Dr. Walter Lewin from MIT.  There are about 50 lectures that contain a lot of great information.

The fellows here are very friendly and have taught me a lot.  I obtained 2 electronics college level text books from a local used book store and that helped me with the basics a lot.  Read all you can on this forum about Bedini, the joule thief, and other electronic devices and you will learn a lot in a short time.

I have amazed myself with what I have been able to accomplish in such a short time but, none of it would have been possible without this forum and the folks on it.  You are in the right place here at Overunity.  Almost all of the really wild and great stuff being done here you will not find in college and most, if not all, books.

Bill
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: eric64 on June 27, 2009, 10:41:10 AM
Bill
Thanks so much! I will follow your advice. Especially about staying on Overunity.
Eric
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: nievesoliveras on June 27, 2009, 01:47:22 PM
@eric64

If what you want is to learn electronics from basic to advanced, download the pdf courses offered free at:

http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_1/index.html

Jesus
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: xenomorphlabs on June 27, 2009, 03:18:59 PM
@Eric: Bill is right, Youtube offers a lot of informative lectures and as Jesus said allaboutelectronics too.

If you do the beginner`s courses build a few of the example circuits like hooking up a battery with a switch and resistors/capacitors and measuring voltage/current.
Get yourself a simple multimeter (a device that measures voltages/current/resistance) like this
http://www.radioshack.com/category/index.jsp?categoryId=2032055

an experimental modular circuit board like this : http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2734155  ,

some wires like these http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103801

cables like these (really helpful) http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062236

and the components you find in the courses.
Then when you reach the level of building a single transistor circuit you are actually already in the league to build a simple Bedini (One magnet if your budget is short, or the monopole/schoolgirl circuit if you have a bigger budget {more magnets $}). This will teach you about coils.
Learning by doing is your biggest friend, have fun ;)
You should familiarize yourself also about safe handling of electric devices that can cause shock if you don´t know anything about it yet.
Good luck !
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: gadgetmall on June 27, 2009, 11:46:26 PM
@all

Here is the graphic for your consideration.

Jesus
Perfect ! Thank you Jesus . You have got One Nice talent Cleaning Peoples Circuits up . Your Great  :)Yes the caps are correct . think of them as a battery. I have been too busy so busy that @ 10 pm I fell asleep at the chair and woke up this morning at 9 ,with a back ache!Busy week no experiments but its still running . i readjusted the 10kpot check the volts and they are at 6 . 59 at 9 .05 am est . Not sure what abattery would do at the secondary . someone try it if they get the time and have a part simular to the sk3606 that allows feedback Ok L8r


Gadget
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: xenomorphlabs on June 28, 2009, 06:48:12 AM
@gadget:

What part could come close to the SK3606 diode? :)
I have extracted from the spec sheet that the 1N4003 comes close regarding voltages, but there must be something unusual about the Sk-Diode that no other rectifier has.
I am assuming it is non-radioactive, so the switching times must be important or any other parameter of it.


I will run my circuit tomorrow again with the caps being poled like Jesus has drawn it.
I was too certain that the cap polarity would equal the charge battery polarity and obviously i was wrong with that.
Sorry Jesus about that Still having a hard time why the caps are oppositely poled that the charge battery, but unusual results necessitate unusual methods ;)



Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: xenomorphlabs on June 28, 2009, 08:10:00 PM
@Gadgetmall and Jesus:
Please forgive me to be so finical about it but i am still not sure about the cap polarity because of gadgetmall`s comment:

Quote
Yes the caps are correct . think of them as a battery.

The original charge battery had its negative pole on the right and was connected to the positive of the source battery. Would it then not be logical to replace the battery with capacitors that have their pole orientation just like that battery?

Quote
the only modification i did was remove the secondary batter install an sk3606 in series with one secondary wire the one that comes from the positive off the secondary cap and anode of the diode and fed it thru the sk3606 to positive where the run connection is

Does that mean that you connected the diode that goes to the battery inbetween the 2 capacitors?

I have attached 4 variants that i actually see now.

Quote
Quote
I noticed that ther is an ac component and it reads 13 volts on the ac scale so its still pulsed dc hitting the battery .

Please Gadgetmall could you make a voltage measurement across your caps?
I am quite certain that the charging effect is mostly due to the pulsed DC component, because i have measured 0.6 Volts on my caps.
That is not enough to (hot)charge the battery with current, so it has to be something else.
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: gadgetmall on June 28, 2009, 09:03:38 PM
@Gadgetmall and Jesus:
Please forgive me to be so finical about it but i am still not sure about the cap polarity because of gadgetmall`s comment:

The original charge battery had its negative pole on the right and was connected to the positive of the source battery. Would it then not be logical to replace the battery with capacitors that have their pole orientation just like that battery?

Does that mean that you connected the diode that goes to the battery inbetween the 2 capacitors?

I have attached 4 variants that i actually see now.


Please Gadgetmall could you make a voltage measurement across your caps?
I am quite certain that the charging effect is mostly due to the pulsed DC component, because i have measured 0.6 Volts on my caps.
That is not enough to (hot)charge the battery with current, so it has to be something else.
Well the schematic i posted is correct and so is you number varant 1 .> i mus be going nuts because i thought the one jesus fixed did not have abattery on it ,now it does .
you are correct . i replaced the battery with the caps on the secondary , same polarity as the battery . anode positive and negitive connected directly to the positive on the run battery . Sheesss.. :) Still Ruunig but i adjusted it last night nad the volts are now showing 5.33 . I mess somthing up on the adjustment . Also not that the 10k pot is a CARBON audio pot on th eother side of the relay coil . thats all for now . i 'll try to get more time to study this running from ultra caps next week . i did try the 2.6 volts and got the same effect the volts went up  to 3.03 on that good battery .. On the diode i cannot replacate my replication with any other diode i have . sorry ..

Gadget
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: xenomorphlabs on June 28, 2009, 10:18:54 PM
@Gadgetmall: Thanks for taking the time to verify this.
Okay i have tried Variant 1 already and the source voltage dropped.
So it really must be a material attribute of the diode that makes your results possible.
Would be really interesting to give one to a lab to analyze it for something unusual hehe.
I can only find these diodes online in distributor-websites that seem to require you to be
an electronics dealer sending them target prices and requesting quotes or insane minimal ordering quantities or would not ship internationally to europe.

EDIT:
I just made a voltage measurement across the diode connecting to the battery and it reads 0.55 Volt.
So theoretically the diode would not be letting significant amounts of current through (<0.6 Volt).
How could i increase that voltage?
The the other hand i have tried it with germanium 1N60 diodes and it did also not work.

Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: gadgetmall on June 28, 2009, 11:08:00 PM
@Gadgetmall: Thanks for taking the time to verify this.
Okay i have tried Variant 1 already and the source voltage dropped.
So it really must be a material attribute of the diode that makes your results possible.
Would be really interesting to give one to a lab to analyze it for something unusual hehe.
I can only find these diodes online in distributor-websites that seem to require you to be
an electronics dealer sending them target prices and requesting quotes or insane minimal ordering quantities or would not ship internationally to europe.

EDIT:
I just made a voltage measurement across the diode connecting to the battery and it reads 0.55 Volt.
So theoretically the diode would not be letting any current through (<0.6 Volt).
How could i increase that voltage?
If i had a Spare i would let you get it . I come up with some rare stuff at that Milatary junk yard. I even got radioactive magnitite for the core material . theres like 10  55 gallon drums of the stuff . i got a little bucket full but have not tried to fill acore with it yet . scarry . I think the reason this one is doing this is MAINLY the Coil and the position of the trigger . Get them to run off 1 to 2 milliamps and then you wont have to generate much BEMF to power it or replenish it . I think . You asked me to check the volts across the caps . its0.98 and i am measuring the battery showing the results in the video . Fausto tried a different diode before he got some from me and was getting some feedback . you might ask him . He is great . He replicated My 48volt fan to the tee . Had it working great and bumped it and knocked it out of kilter .He proved i am am telling the truth and that all that matters . . I love my self runners . Its like an Alien Powersupply and once you get one running you will get Chills and a weird Feeling cause its cool and scarry  and then you realize that the government has this technology and we could have been powering for free all these years but the Oil biz would supposedly shatter the economy . BS .

Gadget .
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: brownsville on June 29, 2009, 01:02:14 AM
I tried to hook a power supply from an Epson printer to the output from the one magnet (5/8 neo inside aircore) and it worked for a while. It actually started generating dc power and I watched the voltage climb on the caps to just over 16 volts when I shorted it out. :-[ The wild thing is that in trying to do it again I took a reading from the input side and got a steady 123 vac coming from the coil while it was in resonance - I stopped the magnet from spinning and the coil started singing - I did a video of the process and show the voltage climbing until it gets to about 95 volts ac and then stop the magnet - in the vid you can hear the coil singing and the volts shoot right up to 123 volts and stays there. ???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfMqea8NC6U

After watching the vid I may be wrong in thinking that I had fried something, I am going to try it again to see if I just wasn't waiting long enough for the ac power to get up to the 123v to start charging the rest of the circuit.

The whole idea is probably stupid and if anyone knows this won't work I won't waste any more time on this...there are some really nice parts in this power supply that I can try in other adaptations. I was trying to get the dc and run it back to the source battery like Gadgetmall for a self runner and perhaps charger as well.

Brownsville
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: brownsville on June 29, 2009, 01:22:13 AM
Having trouble with the vid download and m youtube account....will post link as soon as it shows up.  >:(
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: 1quasar1 on June 29, 2009, 01:24:33 AM
Your Youtube account is private
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: xenomorphlabs on June 29, 2009, 03:22:36 AM
If i had a Spare i would let you get it . I come up with some rare stuff at that Milatary junk yard. I even got radioactive magnitite for the core material . theres like 10  55 gallon drums of the stuff . i got a little bucket full but have not tried to fill acore with it yet . scarry . I think the reason this one is doing this is MAINLY the Coil and the position of the trigger . Get them to run off 1 to 2 milliamps and then you wont have to generate much BEMF to power it or replenish it . I think . You asked me to check the volts across the caps . its0.98 and i am measuring the battery showing the results in the video . Fausto tried a different diode before he got some from me and was getting some feedback . you might ask him . He is great . He replicated My 48volt fan to the tee . Had it working great and bumped it and knocked it out of kilter .He proved i am am telling the truth and that all that matters . . I love my self runners . Its like an Alien Powersupply and once you get one running you will get Chills and a weird Feeling cause its cool and scarry  and then you realize that the government has this technology and we could have been powering for free all these years but the Oil biz would supposedly shatter the economy . BS .

Gadget .

@Gadgetmall:
I will just try out a couple of old diodes (vintage soviet stuff and so on) just like you had the creativity to try out old military stuff.
Like really slow ones ,really fast ones and maybe notice a difference.
I will also not give up to find Sk3606s online.

Another difference between our setups is that i am using 4 NimH batteries in series and you use a lead-acid battery. NimH were reported if i am not mistaken to not accept radiant that well, however i can one wire charge them (as a 2nd charge battery).

How did you condition the battery that you said was unusable before?
Maybe i can make my batteries more "willing" to accept the radiant that way hehe.

Thanks for the voltage measurement across the caps.
Your voltage is higher, probably due to the difference that you actually use a pickup coil as the secondary. I have guesstimated that you might have around 4700 turns of wire on that coil where mine only has 800 turns. That increases also the radiant spikes.
I will make a new coil this week with more secondary turns.

Regards,
Xenomorph

Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: gadgetmall on June 29, 2009, 04:56:11 AM
@Gadgetmall:
I will just try out a couple of old diodes (vintage soviet stuff and so on) just like you had the creativity to try out old military stuff.
Like really slow ones ,really fast ones and maybe notice a difference.
I will also not give up to find Sk3606s online.

Another difference between our setups is that i am using 4 NimH batteries in series and you use a lead-acid battery. NimH were reported if i am not mistaken to not accept radiant that well, however i can one wire charge them (as a 2nd charge battery).

 I also recharge Ni mh and nicad and non rechargable alklines with my bedinies . it works .thats all i care about not the science of it just the usability of it . The recharge/selfrun is working on My 2.6 volt pack also . start volts 2.55 and just as soon as i spin it up 3.03 steady .

[How did you condition the battery that you said was unusable before?

I used this setup to bring it up from 3 volts to where is is now . Using a 2.6volt nimh battery as the primary and the dead 6 volt as the secondary for about three days .
Maybe i can make my batteries more "willing" to accept the radiant that way hehe.

Thanks for the voltage measurement across the caps.
Your voltage is higher, probably due to the difference that you actually use a pickup coil as the secondary. I have guesstimated that you might have around 4700 turns of wire on that coil where mine only has 800 turns. That increases also the radiant spikes.
I will make a new coil this week with more secondary turns.

Regards,
Xenomorph
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: brownsville on June 30, 2009, 04:35:21 AM
here is the video link for the Lidmotor coil in self oscillation. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfMqea8NC6U

I did try to get the printer power supply thing working but only had a reading of .2 volt dc. The first few time I tried this the thing was putting out up to 14 volts and the mm was still climbing. I did plug it into a regular 110v outlet in the house and the voltage climbed right to 36.4 vdc - so I did not fry anything (yet) ;D
The voltage reading on the video is on the input side of the power supply and is coming directly from the secondary of the Lidmotor coil.
The printer power supply takes 110 ac and converts to to dc - why did this work a few times and now doesn't???? ::)
Brownsville
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Pirate88179 on June 30, 2009, 05:36:44 AM
Brownsville:

It says your video is private.

Bill
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: brownsville on June 30, 2009, 02:58:57 PM
Sorry Bill, I will try to fix that this morning - as usual OPERATOR ERROR -

I had to try again this morning while I was having coffee. In looking at the set up I realized that I did not have the (-) wire from the pickup coil hooked to the printer power supply but was still attached to the circuit board. I changed this and my multimeter showed a reading of 13.9 to 16.4 volt dc on the back side of the power supply unit. I also played with the angle of the coil related to the magnet and if I got the angle just right it raised the dc voltage. Again it was a 15 to 20 degree angle that produced the right voltage to charge the caps in the power supply unit. I could hear the frequency change as the angle changes.

I am going to try a three year dead battery that has been sitting outside on a barrel to see if it can - start the coil / magnet and get it to self oscillate and then try hooking the positive from the power supply unit to the battery to see if it will charge it up.

Brownsville
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: brownsville on June 30, 2009, 03:31:37 PM
Here is a new link to the video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpX32rM5Zy8 - I deleted the higher quality vid and this one it is really hard to see the multimeter reading - OPERATOR ERROR AGAIN.

The vid only shows the input side to the power supply. I will try to make a new vid of the dc output once I get it figured out.

Brownsville
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: xenomorphlabs on June 30, 2009, 04:21:02 PM
@Brownsville:
What is the amp-draw while it is resonating?
And why are you letting it resonate? Are you specifically and intentionally researching the resonance effect?
Usually circuits in resonance draw a lot of current and might not be a perfect
pre-condition for feeding back.

Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on July 03, 2009, 01:54:59 PM
Hi.I have been thinking about the dead spot on the coils and i thought that the suspended rotor idea could be adapted to negate the dead spot.
I have done a few tests and this is what i came up with.It is a twin magnet rotor with both north poles facing in the same direction.The magnets are mounted on a shaft so as to align with the coil windings and miss the centre and it seems to work quite well and is very stable.The speed is fast and amp draw low and i can run satellites at a greater distance than with the single magnet.
Another interesting thing was that when the rotor is going fast and i move it towards the coil,the amp draw goes negative for a couple of seconds.You can see this on the vid and i have taken a pic of this which i enclose.
I know this rotor is using two magnets but it is somthing else to try.Regards jonny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZbscMyotJg
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Pirate88179 on July 03, 2009, 08:15:34 PM
Jonny:

Very smart idea!!!  That is excellent man.  How did you come up with this?  Hey, negative amp draw sounds like free energy to me..even if only for that short duration.  Maybe we can find a way to increase the length of time that it does that?

I will go have a look at your video.  Excellent work Jonny.

Bill
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: gadgetmall on July 03, 2009, 09:16:40 PM
@Gadgetmall.Hi Al.I have found also that no two snake eggs are the same.I have some which refuse to spin on low volts also so it really is a lottery with these.With your three sets you may get a vertical spinner but if you don't,let me know and i will send you some.Regards jonny
P.S If you get the chance Al,pop over to the energetic forum as there is also a thread on this motor over there and i am sure everyone there will be interested in your experiments.Many thanks Jonny
Well the Snake eggs came in / NONE OF THEM WILL SPIN AT ALL ??? out of 8 snake eggs only the one shown will spin at all . that is strange but the new magnets will not even wobble or try to wobble spin . Well i got balls with them also its sets of two snake eggs and two one inch balls . Lots of magnets . I also got the Cylinder magnets . they wont spin either ?? I have did a few more test . The Current Draw is 1 .1 milliamps at 5.5 volts and the secondary looped feedback to source is outputting 5-6 milliamp back to the battery . Its a Sure thing that this one is producing more current out than it takes to run it . only thing is one magnet works out of 15 magnets  :(  Hey i don't care . Cap test next i promise , i juts cant leave it alone and wanted to do a few more volts amps test before i go to ultra cap .. here we go !! Ok Just Started the Ultra cap test . I have TWO 650 farad 2.7 volt caps . the total on the two start voltage is 4.32 @3:30 pm est 7/3/2009 . i'll check in in one hour . This will give the story as caps done lie .  .. Ok its 4:30 . the caps are still at 4.32. I'll check back in one hour.Ok its 6:36 volts still unchanged at 4.32 . I'll let it run until wither i see it drop or rise . If Neither its a selfrunner as these caps take a lot of power to charge .i need a meter with 5 digits instead of 4
Gadget
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on July 03, 2009, 11:42:24 PM
Hi.I decided to extend the twin magnet rotor and add a third magnet at one end to see if i could extend the magnetic field by interlocking the fields off the top and bottom magnets and i tested the field with an orbiting satellite as it is quite good at showing the extent off the field and the satellite would spin all the way from the bottom magnets to a height above the top magnet.Here is a pic of the rotor and a vid off the test.Regards jonny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwRwZYarBHc

@Pirate.Hi Bill.There is a dead spot at the centre of the coil when the magnet is dead centred as it won't trigger the transistor so this is why the magnets run of centre over the windings best.I came up with the twin magnet rotor to try and negate this dead spot and utilise opposite sides of the coil at 180 degrees.The suspended idea is something that Xenomorph and El-tigre have been working on.The negative amp draw is interesting.It only happens for a second or two when i move the rotor sharply towards the coil but it is quite a high negative pulse and i have not seen this before.When i do this the rotor slows (maybe Lenz)but doesn't stop so its as if it is inducing a voltage in the bifilar coil but i am a bit puzzled by it.Regards jonny

p.s. Thats a great new thread you have started on the Georgian earth battery Bill.I must admit i can't keep away from it.Nice one.

@Gadget.Hi Al.I was thinking about your motor today and wondering how it was doing and i am glad to here it is still going good.I think you have got something special there Al as to get a snake egg going on that kind off draw is pretty amazing in itself.The best i have done is 1.34v at 4mA.I can run a cylinder at less than 1mA @1.5V so i was kind off hoping these would work for you.
Like you say,the cap test will tell the real picture but if its outputting 6mA,its got a chance.
Keep us informed Al and good luck.Regards jonny.


Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: synchro1 on July 04, 2009, 11:40:50 PM
@Gadgetmall-The lutec generator reports a nearly identical COP of over 5. They fire the magnet rotor pulse at the fulcrum point and switch the pulse coil to an output coil after 20% of the cleat shaped magnet rotor passes, by commutator. I believe your snake egg version can be explained well by using their operating theory.
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: gadgetmall on July 05, 2009, 07:34:25 AM
@Gadgetmall-The lutec generator reports a nearly identical COP of over 5. They fire the magnet rotor pulse at the fulcrum point and switch the pulse coil to an output coil after 20% of the cleat shaped magnet rotor passes, by commutator. I believe your snake egg version can be explained well by using their operating theory.
My Test is Done .I am Happy to say its a self runner With Caps . Ultra caps . It has not Dropped nor gained a tenth of a volt since i started this test . 4. 32 is where she stays . and with a battery it indeed does see a charge . I think with a smaller super cap it would charge faster . I believe its charging but the ultra cap is like a dead short to a charger so its going to take along time to see a 10th of a volt increase . My Next little venturse with this one is encase it's electronics and build a capture circuit for the the relay coil like jonny did and then proceed with a satellite coil and try to increase the amount of charge to the ultra caps . . Such a Simple Circuit . Just winding the coil different and a rectifier sk3606 is the only changes i made .. Problem is all the magnets are different in there magnetization somehow and one wobble spins . the other don't do nothing on this coil design . . .l8r Guys . It can be done as i have again proved it to myself and that all that counts . I think its replication with the right magnet . The one i am using i got years ago when they first came out . I have no idea why its magnetized different . I'll get some magnetic viewer film and see if i can tell  later on . I'm curious .
PS . I got me a Digital Storage Scope cumming 200 mzh hatichi . More Fun ! i stole it with a sniper on ebay for 89 shipping included .
Gadget




Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: PYRODIN123321 on July 06, 2009, 04:52:20 PM
with a sniper?
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on July 11, 2009, 09:10:40 PM
Hi.Here is a vid of a test i did with my 6mm Neo sphere motor.I tested single and twin sphere rotors and i think with the addition off a pickup coil to each end of the bifilar so the sphere's are inside,it would generate well.The rpm's are insane too and if i up the voltage and add a lubricant, i might here a sonic boom lol.Regards jonny
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHKcWHn3GnE
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: brownsville on July 15, 2009, 03:26:25 PM
@JonnyDavro, great video, been way too busy on a construction project, hope to start a real build asap. :-\

@all - did any of you see this in the JT thread....have you tried it JonnyDavro? :o

@ All,
Carnot play catch up just yet, got to make this post, then pack for the weekend, then be back on Monday.

I needed a break from here as I wasn't getting satisfaction with the JT work I was doing, sometimes a complete break and fresh ideas are needed, I stumbled onto a couple of things in the other forums and fealt these are what I needed, and lo and behold, some complete surprises.
 
OK I mentioned I had managed to run my bedini on its own output, this is how I went about it.

If you take just the output from the secondary coil after rectifying it, and place the Pos to power in and Neg to Neg in, it will not work.

The trick is to insert 3 12v batteries (in my case I had 3 long thin gel cells), connect them in series making a total of 36v. My Bedini can put out 40v rectified.

No I took the power from the middle of the 3 batteries (Batt 2) fed the Pos to Pos input and the Neg to Neg input and it kept running.
Next I disconnected the original battery which started and ran the bedini.

How does this happen, well I think the small amount of energy cripples itself, (it sees it as a short circuit) but, if the full output voltage is applied right across a much bigger battery, then if you take from the center battery, it seems to be "sampling" the energy.
When the Transistor turns off, the pulse hits the battery, the battery supplies just a small er energy to feed back to the Bedini circuit.

There seems to be a rebound wave of energy that is created, much like a spring effect at the battery. Difficult to explain this.

OK now how to make a JT run on its own energy?

Do the same as I did with the Bedini, but use 3 "extra" Batteries on the output, make sure you bridge it first.

I think (I haven't tried this) if you get 3 identical capacitors (electrolytics) and connect them in series, then connect them the same as the 3 batteries, this should also do the same thing.


Here's a few circuits  have fun.

jim
 

Got to get another couple of batteries. ;D

Brownsville
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on July 16, 2009, 10:41:29 AM
Hi.I have been investigating the negative amp draw i was getting in the video on page 15 with my twin magnet rotor and it works with a single magnet rotor too and i think i am understanding what might be going on.This is what i think.
First of the voltage is coming from the coil and the return path is via the transistor's emitter.I know this as i placed a forward facing diode after the coil's primary winding connecting to the collector and it blocked the negative pulse.
I also put a diode in reverse accross(white stripe towards the collector) the transistor and the negetive pulse still occurs so the induced voltage is comming out of the coil,through the run battery and back to the coil via the transistors emmitter.
This is what i think may be happening.When i place the magnet sharply in front of the coil,nearly touching,the magnet is inducing a high voltage in both power and trigger coils.The transistor turns on but as the voltage induced in the primary is high,the voltage in the trigger coil is high due to transformer action and not just a spike so the transistor stays on and this slows the magnet but as the magnet has a lot of kenetic energy it is still inducing voltages in the coils and this voltage goes around,through the run battery,through the transistor's emmitter and back to the coil.I am not sure what the reverse breakdown voltage is of the TIP 3055 and 2N2222 as these are two i have used but it goes through a diode placed accross the transistor as well.
This is a real negative current as i have placed two diodes after the ampmeter.One forward and an LED backwards.When the meter goes negative,the LED lights.
One other thing.My bifilar coil is 1:1 , 26swg for both trigger and power winding of equal lengh.
I have designed a circuit to show and capture this negative pulse which i enclose.It may be better to use low voltage drop diodes but i just used what i had and it works.Switch S1 just turns the motor off and the cap still charges as the rotor spins down so i think this should work with most coils and the important thing is the strong cylinder magnet and high speed for inducing the voltage.
I think the interesting thing about all this is that there is a return path through the battery and back to the coil through the transistors emmiter.
@Brownsville.That is very interesting.I will look into Jims discovery.Many thanks jonny.
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: PYRODIN123321 on July 29, 2009, 02:53:33 PM
Haha...anybody seen this?

http://fascinations.com/unique-toys-gifts/top-secret.htm

opened up one of these all it has is a transistor and the coil and the batt.
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Pirate88179 on July 30, 2009, 03:49:42 AM
Pyrodin:

Nice find!!!  Any idea how old this device is?  I mean, is it a brand new product or one that has been around a bit?  Hmmmm, maybe someone saw Jonny's device and said "Hey, I can make money with that!!!"

Very interesting.  But, they still can't do what Jonny and some others have done, ha ha.

Thanks for posting this.

Bill
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: MasterPlaster on July 30, 2009, 12:19:07 PM
Around 3 years ago someone on the youtube had something similar and was asking if anyone wanted to pay him a large sum to buy his design.
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: PYRODIN123321 on July 30, 2009, 02:50:26 PM
there is a "copyright 2005" and "made in china" on the box no patent number or any technical data of any kind on the box or the base/top

the 2005 copyright could just be for the name "Top Secret"

peace
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: PYRODIN123321 on July 30, 2009, 03:05:49 PM
"The "Top Secret" consists of a spinning top with a ----radially oriented -----magnetic field and an associated base that houses a conductive coil. "

The top is "radially oriented" so I guess that means from the center out  like a bullseye with north in the center and south along the outside or vice versa?
has anybody tried with a radially oriented magnet?
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Pirate88179 on July 30, 2009, 06:04:03 PM
Pyrodin:

Thanks for the info.  I think that that is the same as diametrically opposed magnetic tubes that we are using, same with the snake eggs.  Instead of the top and bottom being the poles, they are on the sides, radially.  I may be incorrect but this is my understanding.

Bill
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: PYRODIN123321 on July 30, 2009, 10:39:12 PM
I thought radial was like a speaker magnet.....with the north or south in the center and the opposite on the outer edges.....and I think somebody commented about this kind of top earlier in the thread, but I've slept since then so.......

peace
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: eroutt on August 10, 2009, 07:06:21 AM
wow! i never figured it made it to overunity.com its nice to know that i at least started something! from all the failures i have made in the past:) if you have not seen my latest video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdoCgKIRiK0 i have got this neo ball to levitate under a bedini coil. i would like to see this perfected, its very strange how it spins and levitates the way it does!
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on August 22, 2009, 11:38:04 PM
Hi.After watching Lidmotors latest vid showing his motor running wirelessly,using his version of Dr Stifflers SEC,i thought i would try but using a different approach.I have long been fascinated by plasma globes and i am convinced that there is a lot more to these than it just being a fancy capasitor with the centre ball being one plate and the glass being the other and i have seen some strange sec like effects using plasma globes and i have not quite got my head round Dr Stifflers sec but I am slowly aquiring the parts as it looks great,anyway i found out that you can harvest quite a lot of energy from the air around a plasma globe and i tried it on the one magnet Bedini and it spins great.
This is how i did it.I placed some aluminium trays and a bit of tin foil as i ran out of trays around the plasma globe and fed the energy collected from the air,through a coil in series and then into a bridge rectifier ac input.I had a wire from my earthed kitchen sink going to the rectifiers other ac input.I also had a large cap attached to one of the trays which simulates me holding the tray which increases the voltage on the 1000uf run cap which is charged from the rectifier.The omnbb is then conected to the cap and of it goes.
I first ran the plasma globe from a 12v adapter and it worked great.I then removed that and used a 12v car battery and the results were the same.
I think this could be refined and someone with some knowledge of ariels may be able to help here.Here is a vid of it running.Regards jonny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VarsVTB_ZEg
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 25, 2009, 08:25:34 AM
Jonny:

I have already replied on youtube (as you know) but this is the most creative experiment I have ever seen.  There is no way in a million years I would have ever come up with trying this.  Excellent job and I take my hat off to you for your creativity.

This is one excellent video Jonny.  Very nice work.

Bill
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on August 28, 2009, 11:57:06 AM
Hi.This is my first prototype of a levitating one magnet Bedini motor.I have used 4 N38 25mm x 6mm disc magnets to levitate the rotor.All the magnets north poles face towards the left including the rotor and the only point of friction is where the rotor is in contact with the headstock.I think it may be possible to levitate it at this point by using a pepulsing magnet setup or some form of magnetic bearing but i will look into this.
I have taken this approach instead of powered coil setups as it is seems a shame to use power to levitate a magnet when we can do it for free using repulsion.Here is a vid of it running.Regards jonny:thumbsup:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eggfplU7Abw

@Pirate.Many thanks Bill for your kind coments.Hope you like this as much as this has got a chance of going frictionless with a bit of development.Kind Regards jonny
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Lakes on August 28, 2009, 12:53:15 PM
Very nice build.

Any thoughts/comments on this tread? http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7988.0
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jeanna on October 30, 2009, 04:19:05 AM
Well well well, I finally did it.
I have a magnet spinning and the speed (= pitch of noise  :D ) is staying the same. no less, no more.

I will just leave it for a while.
I guess if the 9 volt goes down a lot the magnet will slow down??
I am just gonna let it go.

I was about to give up on the new stronger magnets and rebuild it all when I remembered I had not tried all the magnets I bought.

I sure am glad I bought a bunch of different ones.!

I will try to send a pic.

jeanna
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Pirate88179 on October 30, 2009, 04:37:38 AM
Jeanna:

Way to go!  Isn't is cool?  I knew you would be able to do it.  Make a video for the tube.

Bill
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jeanna on October 30, 2009, 04:44:05 AM
It is cool indeed.
I did make a video no talk just the singing of the dishes.
I added another at about 10" distance and it is singing away too.
I think I will just take a pic for now. (I can't yet make a video and compress it on this ubu and I will wait to turn on my mac.)

I hope I don't fry the charging battery before I am ready to turn it off.

So, can I use this with the charging battery off?
or will I fry my transistor if I do that?
I do have the neon in place and it shows no signs.

yeay!!

jeanna
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jeanna on October 30, 2009, 04:57:15 AM
oooo bad quality but it is here.
This motor has been running for 1 1/2 hours so far!!


Thank you to jonny
lidmotor
xenomorphlabs and pirate and everybody else who encouraged me

 :D,
j
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Pirate88179 on October 30, 2009, 07:02:55 AM
Jeanna:

Yes, to my understanding you can run it without the charging bat.  That is what the neon is for.  I was upset when I first got my #1 Bedini motor going because the neon did not light up.  I thought I did something wrong.  I was told later that, when running normally, it should not light up.  Then, when I was swapping bats and disconnected the charging bat. the neon lit up as bright as you please.  It also lights a little now and then while I am adjusting the pots to extremes.

So, it sounds like you have it right.  you can try to up hook the charging battery for a brief moment and watch the neon and see what happens.  That should be ok to do.

Bill
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on October 30, 2009, 12:04:25 PM
Hi Jeanna.I am so glad you got it going and hope you get as much enjoyment from this simple motor as i have and still am.I look forward to see where you go with this and will be following your exploits.Regards jonny.
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jeanna on October 30, 2009, 10:11:17 PM
Thanks Bill. I am glad to hear that the neon won't go on when it is running properly.

Thanks jonny.

Next is to make a proper core.
To that end, I am cutting up some welding rods. 9 cuts on one rod is about 1/3 or 1/4 filling the core. I hope my big wire cutter holds out!

After that I will exchange the coil for a "proper" one that I already made the other day before the magnets arrived.

I hope either one of these improvements will allow the cylinder to spin on the small sphere.

Here is a 45 second video.
It shows the alignment etc.
I did not raise the sound, well cuz...

Thanks again everybody who helped.

jeanna

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXALKcR1ORM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXALKcR1ORM)
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jeanna on October 31, 2009, 04:41:15 AM
So, tonight I tried a heftier cylinder.
I got it to spin well and it almost spins upright... sort of like the X type dragon egg. BUT I could not get the saturn satellite to keep going. It would go for a while but eventually it would spin down.

Now, I changed to the configuration I had last night with the smaller cylinder and now the satellite spins ok.

Interesting, but I don't understand why a larger magnet would have less power to influence the satellite.

But then I checked the batteries and the charging battery is above 7v now.
Maybe this is related, and maybe not, but I am glad to see the recharge effect is working today.

It is easy to get lost in time spinning and restarting a magnet, and I just do not know how long I have been doing this tonight.

jeanna
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Pirate88179 on October 31, 2009, 06:58:11 AM
Jeanna:

I knew you would like this device.  It can be addicting for sure.  If you made your core removable the way I did, you might try sliding it down inside the coil a little.  Try different depths by pushing it down.  On my first one, about 1/4-1/2" down from the top really made the magnet (snake egg) spin vertical and straight.  You can set the coil on a ring so the core has room underneath where it will stick out a little. On my larger, more powerful cylinder type magnet set-up, I don't have a core at all and it spins straight up and very fast.  I used 9volts batteries too on most of my experiments.

Just some ideas.

Bill
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: boku on August 28, 2010, 10:30:30 AM
hi@all hi@jonny
i just want to build my first bedini
and saw ur levitating one

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7113.0;attach=37469;image

and also these:

http://www.youtube.com/v/5S0NkIjQDrg

http://www.youtube.com/v/0r7nEGrjTh4

maybe also with the starship coil..

but im a bit confused about latest shematics, can u help me with that?
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on August 28, 2010, 12:57:32 PM
Hi boku.The circuit I use is on page 1 of this thread.You can also use the basic Bedini circuit which can be found here and add the extra pot and relay coil at a later date.These additions cut the amp draw considerably and also increase rpm's.
http://www.freeenergynews.com/Directory/Inventors/JohnBedini/SG/RickFriedrich_SSG/Schematic2.jpg
Also watch this vid by the daftman who makes it easy to build a working circuit and you can just use a diametrically magnetised magnet for your rotor.There are three vids in the series.
To get the high rpm's shown in the other levitating vids you referenced,you will need to have a well balanced shaft/rotor and then you should be able to replicate sucessfully.
Good luck.Jonny
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJillO
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 28, 2010, 01:01:22 PM
Jonny:

Good to see your post.  I am glad that many others are interested in your innovations.  You really brought the Bedini to another level with your work.

I hope you are well.  Please keep up your excellent work.

Bill
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: boku on August 30, 2010, 01:04:34 PM
hi jonny, hi bill,
thank for ur fast reply.

yeah, u 2 r awesome, i also saw the piratelike joule thief box ;)
i will build that too, but later..

as im a little newbie to eletronics :o, i unfortunatly bought the wrong resistor wich is 5w 47k but i dont find the right one at our local(german) radioshack named "conrad"

i came from the peswiki site, where its a 680 ohm resistor:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Bedini_SG:Materials

and only found this one:
http://www.order.conrad.com/cgi-perl/lshop.cgi?action=showdetail&wkid=1265117911&ls=d&nc=&rubnum=e20.aa30.v97.ae72.q16&artnum=417580&file=&gesamt_zeilen=Tshowrub--e20.aa30.v97.ae72.q16&shop=

is this the right one?

and i have to order the wire now, but i see a large variety of wire gauges,
wich do u recomend?

@jonny
did u used 26awg at the third coil, too? and how many windings?

i like the constructions from skycollection:
http://www.youtube.com/user/skycollection#p/a/u/2/t4yOD7AZF80
as he throws always some acrilic to his machines,
in this one i dont know wich circuit he uses (hall device)
but he always uses thicker wires, like known from building generators, i guess.
whats ur opinion? -> circuit and gauges/wires

as so much specs r spread over many forums and is quiet difficult to gather the informations especially for those not very well english speaking, i suggest to build some tutorials,
like
http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=186596
(is about hacking apple drivers for standard pc)
 there are mods and updates always kept in the very first post, incl all specs (hopefully), so many ppl can add various comments and post nonworking testing results

is this:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/3609-big-joule-theif-15.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtgyyNk5GEQ
a solid state charger? that would be interesting, too
i didnt see any rotor, exept of the fan, or am i wrong?

sry, ma bad english ::)
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: gyulasun on August 30, 2010, 02:21:33 PM
...
i came from the peswiki site, where its a 680 ohm resistor:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Bedini_SG:Materials

and only found this one:
http://www.order.conrad.com/cgi-perl/lshop.cgi?action=showdetail&wkid=1265117911&ls=d&nc=&rubnum=e20.aa30.v97.ae72.q16&artnum=417580&file=&gesamt_zeilen=Tshowrub--e20.aa30.v97.ae72.q16&shop=

is this the right one?
....

Hello boku,

Your above link shows a 0.91 Ohm resistor, 0.6W power rated, here is a link to a 680 Ohm resistor (0.5W power rated):

http://www.order.conrad.com/cgi-perl/lshop.cgi?action=showdetail&wkid=1283646942&ls=d&nc=&rubnum=e20.aa30.v97.bb94.p84&artnum=405230&file=&gesamt_zeilen=20Tshowrub--e20.aa30.v97.bb94.p84&shop=

Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: boku on August 30, 2010, 02:42:36 PM
uh nice, ty
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: boku on August 31, 2010, 11:54:12 AM
 :o
can u point me to
10k and
1k 10% resistors
and 1n4937 diode?

cant find any

found the diode on http://www.reichelt.de
but the resistors not
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on September 01, 2010, 10:04:02 AM
@Pirate.Thanks Bill.I saw this vid the other day by gatewurm.He makes some nice motors but when i saw this i thought of you as it was something you wanted to try a while back.He has two snake eggs,dualing in an "arena".It is quite amazing to see the interaction between the two magnets and the effect a high spin rate has on attraction.Jonny
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClnFucGh3NM&feature=sub
@Boku.Hi.regarding coils.I use 26swg mag wire.I use two 250 gram spools and just wind them both onto a third,slightly larger empty spool.This coil works well and has a 1:1 transformer action which allows you to load the trigger side of the circuit but thats for later.The third coil i use is not one i wind but a 6v or 12v relay.I just put the coil from the relay in series with the resitors in the trigger circuit.
Regarding components.You may find it easier to buy a resitor pack which should have a wide selection of resitors and will probably work out cheaper for you and if you are going to have electronics as a hobby,it will be a good investment.You may also be able to get get transistor and variable resistor lucky bags from your local electronics shop and having a wide selection of components on hand will lessen the frustration of going back and forward to the shops.Happy experimenting.Jonny
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Lakes on September 01, 2010, 11:04:48 AM

Also watch this vid by the daftman who makes it easy to build a working circuit and you can just use a diametrically magnetised magnet for your rotor.There are three vids in the series.
To get the high rpm's shown in the other levitating vids you referenced,you will need to have a well balanced shaft/rotor and then you should be able to replicate sucessfully.
Good luck.Jonny
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJillO
Youtube says link is malformed....
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: gyulasun on September 01, 2010, 03:58:30 PM
:o
can u point me to
10k and
1k 10% resistors
and 1n4937 diode?

cant find any

found the diode on http://www.reichelt.de
but the resistors not

Hello,

here is a list, the 1 kOhm is marked as 1K  Artikel-Nr. 405256 -62   
http://www.order.conrad.com/cgi-perl/lshop.cgi?action=showrub&wkid=1265200006&ls=d&nc=&rubnum=e20.aa30.v97.bb94.p84&artnum=&file=&gesamt_zeilen=20&shop= 

for the 10K:  Artikel-Nr. 405370 -62

These are 5% not 10% it is better perhaps.
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: jonnydavro on September 01, 2010, 11:58:04 PM
@Lakes and boku.Here is the correct link to thedaftmans step by step bedini build.Very useful for people just getting started with electronics as he makes it easy to get a working circuit by downloading his circuit diagram and you just place the parts on it.
I would go this route boku and i know you are not an electronics novice Lakes but the vids are worth a look anyway.Hope this helps.Jonny
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJillOTsmrM
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: boku on September 17, 2010, 07:09:14 AM
i dont get that: "The third coil i use is not one i wind but a 6v or 12v relay.I just put the coil from the relay in series with the resitors in the trigger circuit."
Where does the relay coil come from?
this is kinda difficult for not very well english speaking people..
maybe a picture would clear things up...
can i wind the relaycoil by myself?
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: boku on September 17, 2010, 07:53:21 AM
lol ok, got one
http://www.conrad.de/ce/de/product/503983/RELAIS-12V-5A-G2R-2/SHOP_AREA_17401&promotionareaSearchDetail=005
beware of the noob  ::)
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: twinbeard on October 15, 2010, 01:18:09 PM
Hi All,

Some new FlowerPower Device videos are posted, showing solid state operation and a few other fun things.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S4XyN76FbE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKsfp-tI74o

Cheers,
Twinbeard
Title: New videos.
Post by: synchro1 on November 18, 2010, 02:09:50 AM
Here's the youtube link to my Spiral Knot spinner:

http://www.youtube.com/user/zebok3
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: twinbeard on November 27, 2010, 06:35:05 AM
Hi All,

New flowerpower video posted. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZr_yXyLghc

Cheers,
Twinbeard
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: synchro1 on November 27, 2010, 07:24:46 PM
@Twinbeard,

1MA at 25KV will levitate a foil lifter. Very hi voltage can be converted directly into usable horsepower this way. How close are you to 25 Kilovolts?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibW_x8lWWFM
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: nievesoliveras on November 27, 2010, 11:52:19 PM
Good work!
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: twinbeard on November 28, 2010, 12:12:24 AM
@Twinbeard,

1MA at 25KV will levitate a foil lifter. Very hi voltage can be converted directly into usable horsepower this way. How close are you to 25 Kilovolts?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibW_x8lWWFM

just the other side of a flyback transformer, if i have to be.

nice kite.  hahaha.
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: twinbeard on December 28, 2010, 02:24:07 AM
Hi All,

New FlowerPower device video and info here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrN0w4HnQN4

Cheers,
Twinbeard
Title: Has anyone or can anyone truly BUILD a continuous MAGNET GENERATOR?
Post by: possible on December 28, 2010, 03:48:00 AM
Can anyone here actually build a magnet Generator?
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: twinbeard on March 01, 2011, 10:08:33 AM
Hi Everyone,

I have built a new revision of the FlowerPower device.  Video, along with other topics, here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_t6K9xxxqU

Cheers,
Twinbeard
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: synchro1 on May 07, 2011, 09:08:26 PM
Skycollection just posted a very interesting new video entitled "Rodin Z44N". He places a closed loop pickup coil connected to a rectifier inside the air core of a Rodin Torus Power coil and generates a COP> 2.5 by induction under his mag lev spinner. This video validates my "Lenz Propulsion" theory. Have a look at it:

http://www.youtube.com/user/skycollection#p/u/0/FfxxidCNguo
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: eroutt on October 22, 2011, 11:13:09 PM
wow this looked like a dead topic. but its got more reply's over the years:)

i don't post on youtube anymore its not my thing! so i am underground now!
but its nice to see others still working on this!
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: twinbeard on March 03, 2012, 05:41:54 AM
Hi All,

New video with many new features on this style device:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoiXHnlbijE

Cheers,
Twinbeard
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: Low-Q on March 05, 2012, 12:22:34 AM
@Twinbeard,

1MA at 25KV will levitate a foil lifter. Very hi voltage can be converted directly into usable horsepower this way. How close are you to 25 Kilovolts?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibW_x8lWWFM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibW_x8lWWFM)
What is the thin thread used to do in the video. Is the whole thing "levitating" because of the threads, or high voltage?
Vidar
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: raadel on June 30, 2012, 09:23:49 PM
This is my small contribution:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2C4p4ai54wo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2C4p4ai54wo)



Thanks jonnydavro
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: NerzhDishual on July 01, 2012, 04:52:15 AM
Amazing!

The creativity of some individuals is just puzzling and enjoying me!

Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: bugler on July 01, 2012, 05:02:03 PM
Skycollection just posted a very interesting new video entitled "Rodin Z44N". He places a closed loop pickup coil connected to a rectifier inside the air core of a Rodin Torus Power coil and generates a COP> 2.5 by induction under his mag lev spinner. This video validates my "Lenz Propulsion" theory. Have a look at it:

http://www.youtube.com/user/skycollection#p/u/0/FfxxidCNguo (http://www.youtube.com/user/skycollection#p/u/0/FfxxidCNguo)
Video removed. Why is that?
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: tagor on July 01, 2012, 05:46:46 PM
Video removed. Why is that?

this is a very old one !
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: synchro1 on July 23, 2018, 05:42:09 PM
Flyback from this single magnet no bearing pulse motor is illuminating these two 9 watt fluorescent bulbs with 150 volts of kickback power:
Title: Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
Post by: synchro1 on July 23, 2018, 06:19:09 PM
Here's a video of the unique "Spring Coil Reed Switch". This copper wire coil switch has a magnetic pin in the core. I believe the coil generates a magnetic field and generates power in resonance between the pulse coil and neo sphere spinner:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJ3fSDf3RHM