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Author Topic: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor  (Read 176863 times)

Offline jonnydavro

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #240 on: June 26, 2009, 01:39:32 PM »
@Gadgetmall.WOW Al.This is exactly why i was so pleased that you never gave up on the build and i was hoping you would try your mods.I have just looked at your vid and it is looking good and the way the battery climbs up when you connect the feedback is quite remarkable.To go from 5.99v to 6.56v shows you have something here so feel free to post your circuit as i think there will be a few who wish to replicate,including myself.
Please include all details and tips you feel are needed for a successful rep.
Thanks for sharing your success with us Al and let us know how your further tests go.Regards jonny

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #240 on: June 26, 2009, 01:39:32 PM »

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #241 on: June 26, 2009, 04:10:41 PM »
I agree with Jonny, Gadget always comes up with things that defy the restrictions of other people´s setups hehe.
I have for instance tried a wobbling x spinner in my setup and could not get it to spin under 60 mA !!!
But this made me understand that what we do with the cylindrical magnet is actually a very weird thing. I believe that it runs on such low amperage because it actually MINIMALLY induces currents/voltages in the coils. What i mean is that the whole magnetic axis orientation is really wrong from the perspective of wanting to induce the highest current/coltage as it only permeates the coil area with the bent-away outside magnetic flux lines and not with the full magnetic force.
So the wobbler (since it is in an angle to the coils) creates much more induction and logically draws more current as the transistor is more open. Increasing the resistance even slightly stops the magnet.


Made a vid of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOwuyfwkUmo


EDIT: I had totally overlooked that when i first saw it, Gadgetmall`s magnet is not a typical wobbler, it is even much more angular than that. It doesnt fight to stand straight but more alternatingly lifts up with one end from a more or less lying position. That is interesting, the bowl he uses contributes to that too, it wouldnt work on a totally flat surface.
« Last Edit: June 26, 2009, 04:46:07 PM by xenomorphlabs »

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #242 on: June 26, 2009, 04:17:41 PM »
hereis a rough schematic . Maybe jesus can clean it up . Its My selfcharger /runner Modification of the Jonnydavro circuit . for test only but mine appears to be WORKING !!!!!!Im a little delayed with caps making some measurments and junk . I noticed that ther is an ac component and it reads 13 volts on the ac scale so its still pulsed dc hitting the battery . I accdently shorted the battery and it dropped to 5 . 8 volts but recovered slightly . as soon as i gave it a spin its back up to 6 . 65  .. more test . i have to disconnect those ultracaps from my Earthbattery setup and have to make measurements and stuff on them first . doing research for Advanced Research systems in the Black mountains for Greg On Earth Batteries . As far as tips . the BOWL i use was a Yellowed Garden solar panel cover for one of those stick in the ground landscape solar lights . I found a few in the junk yard and used the panels and circuits and almost threw this piece of plastic away . in fact i did throw away the other on e.Just goes to show that you need to keep everything . The new Cone of silence was a piece of trash that the lady at big lots gave me . i found it in the trashcan and asked her if i could have it . she put it in the bag with my prucheses :) The Coil IS the reason i get LOw Ma draw . Its the Limited trigger area along withthe very slow wobble . It stopped a few minuits ago . I tried starting it and noticed it was digging in and some black marks were in the wobble path on the bowl . it was digging in and shooting the magnet up the bowl off the trigger path . i cleaned it with window cleaner and she it good to go again . It must have been a little oil left on it and as the mag wobbled some of the dirt stuck and make it sticky . It likes clean surfaces . .
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« Last Edit: June 26, 2009, 04:52:50 PM by gadgetmall »

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #242 on: June 26, 2009, 04:17:41 PM »
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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #243 on: June 26, 2009, 05:00:46 PM »
hereis a rough schematic . Maybe jesus can clean it up . Its My selfcharger /runner Modification of the Jonnydavro circuit . for test only but mine appears to be WORKING !!!!!!Im a little delayed with caps making some measurments and junk . I noticed that ther is an ac component and it reads 13 volts on the ac scale so its still pulsed dc hitting the battery . I accdently shorted the battery and it dropped to 5 . 8 volts but recovered slightly . as soon as i gave it a spin its back up to 6 . 65  .. more test . i have to disconnect those ultracaps from my Earthbattery setup and have to make measurements and stuff on them first . doing research for Advanced Research systems in the Black mountains for Greg On Earth Batteries . As far as tips . the BOWL i use was a Yellowed Garden solar panel cover for one of those stick in the ground landscape solar lights . I found a few in the junk yard and used the panels and circuits and almost threw this piece of plastic away . in fact i did throw away the other on e.Just goes to show that you need to keep everything . The new Cone of silence was a piece of trash that the lady at big lots gave me . i found it in the trashcan and asked her if i could have it . she put it in the bag with my prucheses :) The Coil IS the reason i get LOw Ma draw . Its the Limited trigger area along withthe very slow wobble . It stopped a few minuits ago . I tried starting it and noticed it was digging in and some black marks were in the wobble path on the bowl . it was digging in and shooting the magnet up the bowl off the trigger path . i cleaned it with window cleaner and she it good to go again . It must have been a little oil left on it and as the mag wobbled some of the dirt stuck and make it sticky . It likes clean surfaces . .
Gadget

I will try to straighten it up.

Jesus

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #244 on: June 26, 2009, 06:03:37 PM »
@all

Here is the graphic for your consideration.

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« Last Edit: June 27, 2009, 02:02:40 AM by nievesoliveras »

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #245 on: June 26, 2009, 08:18:19 PM »
@Jesus:

Gadget will confirm it maybe but i believe the capacitors have to be poled the other way around like you edited it (just like the charge battery which has ben removed by him completely).
Also there is only 1 10k pot, if i interpret Gadget`s drawing correctly.
But more resistance control can never be bad hehe.

I went out shopping and had a real hard time to find that perfect curvature bowl, they are either too big or too steep. I will check the garden dept. for that solar stuff.

Cant wait to find out if Gadget will be able to do this also with the cylindrical magnet.

I am currently running one at no noticable current (analogue meter :/) and 4.5 V.



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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #246 on: June 27, 2009, 02:08:31 AM »
@Jesus:

Gadget will confirm it maybe but i believe the capacitors have to be poled the other way around like you edited it (just like the charge battery which has ben removed by him completely).
Also there is only 1 10k pot, if i interpret Gadget`s drawing correctly.
But more resistance control can never be bad hehe.

I went out shopping and had a real hard time to find that perfect curvature bowl, they are either too big or too steep. I will check the garden dept. for that solar stuff.

Cant wait to find out if Gadget will be able to do this also with the cylindrical magnet.

I am currently running one at no noticable current (analogue meter :/) and 4.5 V.

I repaired the extra 10k pot. The caps suppose to be in series and that is in series. The battery can be left there and charge it at the same time or if @gadget say so I will eliminate it.
I can see it on the changes he made. It is not eliminated.

I hope it is okay. I also eliminated the neon bulb.

Jesus

Edit:
I think you are right about the capacitors direction. They should go as the charging battery.
« Last Edit: June 27, 2009, 01:23:40 PM by nievesoliveras »

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #247 on: June 27, 2009, 09:29:49 AM »
Hello,
I'm new to this forum and very excited to find it.
I have a question that is not related to this subject exactly but I hope you will help me anyway.
I have built a few VERY simple magnetic devices from some of the drawings JB has posted and would like to do more. But I don't know how to read the schematics or what courses to take to understand more about this. Electricity, Electronics, Physics?
Would it be best to enroll for electrical engineering or something?
We have a few very good tech schools and universities in my home town my problem is with direction. Mr. Bedini has said several times that they don't teach this stuff in college but I need some kind of starting/reference point.
Any advice you could give would be very much appreciated.
Best regards,
Eric

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #248 on: June 27, 2009, 09:46:57 AM »
eric:

Welcome.  You will enjoy this forum.  I have an engineering background and had a good working knowledge of electricity when I arrived here about 2 years ago.  I had basically no knowledge of electronics until I got here.  I did a lot of reading both here, and in books.  I also watched a lot of great instructional lectures on youtube given by Dr. Walter Lewin from MIT.  There are about 50 lectures that contain a lot of great information.

The fellows here are very friendly and have taught me a lot.  I obtained 2 electronics college level text books from a local used book store and that helped me with the basics a lot.  Read all you can on this forum about Bedini, the joule thief, and other electronic devices and you will learn a lot in a short time.

I have amazed myself with what I have been able to accomplish in such a short time but, none of it would have been possible without this forum and the folks on it.  You are in the right place here at Overunity.  Almost all of the really wild and great stuff being done here you will not find in college and most, if not all, books.

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #249 on: June 27, 2009, 10:41:10 AM »
Bill
Thanks so much! I will follow your advice. Especially about staying on Overunity.
Eric

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #250 on: June 27, 2009, 01:47:22 PM »
@eric64

If what you want is to learn electronics from basic to advanced, download the pdf courses offered free at:

http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_1/index.html

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #251 on: June 27, 2009, 03:18:59 PM »
@Eric: Bill is right, Youtube offers a lot of informative lectures and as Jesus said allaboutelectronics too.

If you do the beginner`s courses build a few of the example circuits like hooking up a battery with a switch and resistors/capacitors and measuring voltage/current.
Get yourself a simple multimeter (a device that measures voltages/current/resistance) like this
http://www.radioshack.com/category/index.jsp?categoryId=2032055

an experimental modular circuit board like this : http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2734155  ,

some wires like these http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103801

cables like these (really helpful) http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062236

and the components you find in the courses.
Then when you reach the level of building a single transistor circuit you are actually already in the league to build a simple Bedini (One magnet if your budget is short, or the monopole/schoolgirl circuit if you have a bigger budget {more magnets $}). This will teach you about coils.
Learning by doing is your biggest friend, have fun ;)
You should familiarize yourself also about safe handling of electric devices that can cause shock if you don´t know anything about it yet.
Good luck !

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #252 on: June 27, 2009, 11:46:26 PM »
@all

Here is the graphic for your consideration.

Jesus
Perfect ! Thank you Jesus . You have got One Nice talent Cleaning Peoples Circuits up . Your Great  :)Yes the caps are correct . think of them as a battery. I have been too busy so busy that @ 10 pm I fell asleep at the chair and woke up this morning at 9 ,with a back ache!Busy week no experiments but its still running . i readjusted the 10kpot check the volts and they are at 6 . 59 at 9 .05 am est . Not sure what abattery would do at the secondary . someone try it if they get the time and have a part simular to the sk3606 that allows feedback Ok L8r


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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #253 on: June 28, 2009, 06:48:12 AM »
@gadget:

What part could come close to the SK3606 diode? :)
I have extracted from the spec sheet that the 1N4003 comes close regarding voltages, but there must be something unusual about the Sk-Diode that no other rectifier has.
I am assuming it is non-radioactive, so the switching times must be important or any other parameter of it.


I will run my circuit tomorrow again with the caps being poled like Jesus has drawn it.
I was too certain that the cap polarity would equal the charge battery polarity and obviously i was wrong with that.
Sorry Jesus about that Still having a hard time why the caps are oppositely poled that the charge battery, but unusual results necessitate unusual methods ;)




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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #254 on: June 28, 2009, 08:10:00 PM »
@Gadgetmall and Jesus:
Please forgive me to be so finical about it but i am still not sure about the cap polarity because of gadgetmall`s comment:

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Yes the caps are correct . think of them as a battery.

The original charge battery had its negative pole on the right and was connected to the positive of the source battery. Would it then not be logical to replace the battery with capacitors that have their pole orientation just like that battery?

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the only modification i did was remove the secondary batter install an sk3606 in series with one secondary wire the one that comes from the positive off the secondary cap and anode of the diode and fed it thru the sk3606 to positive where the run connection is

Does that mean that you connected the diode that goes to the battery inbetween the 2 capacitors?

I have attached 4 variants that i actually see now.

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I noticed that ther is an ac component and it reads 13 volts on the ac scale so its still pulsed dc hitting the battery .

Please Gadgetmall could you make a voltage measurement across your caps?
I am quite certain that the charging effect is mostly due to the pulsed DC component, because i have measured 0.6 Volts on my caps.
That is not enough to (hot)charge the battery with current, so it has to be something else.

 

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