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Author Topic: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor  (Read 177588 times)

Offline jonnydavro

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #195 on: June 22, 2009, 12:47:39 AM »
@Nievesoliveras.Hi Jesus.I am not to sure what you mean with the relay coils.Can you clarify?Regards jonny
@Retrod.Hi Dave.I have been thinking about your last vid with the rotating alu ball and i think you can do something similar to what i have been doing and that is use it as a switch.If you had it running around the edge of your plate in a guide,you could have it run over conductive contacts and maybe switch that way.Regards jonny.

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #196 on: June 22, 2009, 02:49:41 AM »
@Gadgetmall:
I agree with retrod a good spin is really important, I thought it was too weak too but,  for me it was kinda hard to keep the poles perpendicular to the poles of the coil, so when I use it with the spheres I put a couple of BB's on the poles of the mag, they will fly off so watch your eyes....also I don't have a feedback relay or a neon. Hope you get it running...

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anybody know about caps? I bought one of those floaty globes at a garage sale for 5 bucks.
doesn't work and needs a new cap, a 470uf 25v, but I only have a 35v and a 10v 470uf, which one is more likely to work? I think the higher voltage one but I am not sure and I don't want to fry the rest of the circuit....the reason I want to get this fixed is cause I want to try to hook up a bedini type setup and spin the hell out of the floating globe.....any suggestions?

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #197 on: June 22, 2009, 04:05:07 AM »
@Nievesoliveras.Hi Jesus.I am not to sure what you mean with the relay coils.Can you clarify?Regards jonny
@Retrod.Hi Dave.I have been thinking about your last vid with the rotating alu ball and i think you can do something similar to what i have been doing and that is use it as a switch.If you had it running around the edge of your plate in a guide,you could have it run over conductive contacts and maybe switch that way.Regards jonny.

There is one video of a setup that claims self start and 150,000 in speed with a magnet sphere inside an air coil.
Using one self starting magnet sphere and surrounding it with sealed coils with water and spheres as the photo you posted above will make the @jonnydavro One magnet no bearing Bedini motor a good electricity harvester.

Repeat: One self starting coil with a magnet sphere inside, surrounded with pickup coils with self starting spheres inside and collecting all the outputs.

Best wishes!

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #197 on: June 22, 2009, 04:05:07 AM »
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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #198 on: June 22, 2009, 04:26:46 AM »
@Gadgetmall:
I agree with retrod a good spin is really important, I thought it was too weak too but,  for me it was kinda hard to keep the poles perpendicular to the poles of the coil, so when I use it with the spheres I put a couple of BB's on the poles of the mag, they will fly off so watch your eyes....also I don't have a feedback relay or a neon. Hope you get it running...

@all:
anybody know about caps? I bought one of those floaty globes at a garage sale for 5 bucks.
doesn't work and needs a new cap, a 470uf 25v, but I only have a 35v and a 10v 470uf, which one is more likely to work? I think the higher voltage one but I am not sure and I don't want to fry the rest of the circuit....the reason I want to get this fixed is cause I want to try to hook up a bedini type setup and spin the hell out of the floating globe.....any suggestions?
Well being this circuit in the solar cell float globe led  isn't more than 5 volts. 10 is safe 35 is good too .Its just over protected with the 470uf @25v . and thansk for the input . i can spin the hell out of a rattle snake egg magnet and it will stand up on a plate for a second or two . so speed it no the issue here . i have been on dead top of the coil though in all my test . i will try and move it away an inch at a time and see if it takes off . thanks

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #199 on: June 22, 2009, 04:54:36 AM »
Al:

I don't recall if you are using an air coil or not.  If using the iron core like I did (cut-off nails epoxied together) I found to get stable rotation I had to move the core exactly 1/2" below the top surface of the core spool. (My core slides in and out)  As I believe Jonny said, too close to the iron core, especially with this large tube magnets, really has a bad effect on the rotation.  The experiments I did tonight are with the core removed and my little sphere neo really spins up in a plastic tube.  It is not self-starting as I have to give it a little twist before dropping it into the tube but then....it takes off.

If you can't move your core (if you have one) try placing spacers at intervals to move your spin surface above the core/coil.  Again, my Lidmotor coil with the nails needed 1/2" separation to get it to stand up and spin right, and yes, this was with the snake eggs as well.

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #200 on: June 22, 2009, 07:03:19 AM »
I GOT IT GOING !!! SHE AINT GOING FAST BUT ITS GOING ON 2 AA BATTERYS CHARGING A 6 VOLT > Opps soory caps . It might be spinning a snake egg maybe 100 rpm ;) its slow and in an x formation in a plastic dome  but i think my egg magnet is a little out and its not drawing 5 ma  and i have 2 little satellites spinning .I 'm happy . Its late here like 1 am and i am so excited . I will let it spin tonight and play some more tomorrow . thank you guys i think i got it now .. Truly fascinating . this is going to be great !thank you all for your kind suggestions and help . I stuck a tip 3055 on it and removed a pot and it began to spin at about 1000 ohms with a relay coil and tried plates and plastic lids on top of the coil . i found a plastic dome and glued right on top of the coil ,air core and it worked ! cool .  while i wait for some more magnets i am going to miniaturize this baby to a self contained Clear Cube with some small satellite coils . I'll snap pictures tomorrow . EDIT *** ITS MORNING . QUICK Note . Its drawing 1.2 Milliamps . the batterys (2aaa) did not go down even a 10th of a volt and the 6 volts is charged !!  l8r
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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #201 on: June 22, 2009, 10:01:21 AM »
@Gadget.Way to go Albert.That is great news.I know it must have been frustrating with the darn thing not working but i am glad you never gave up and your efforts have been rewarded.
If you can get a cylinder magnet with a small steel ball bearing in the central hole as a pivot spinning,it will generate a much greater rotating magnetic field and you will be able to spin many satellites.
Keep us informed of your progress and thanks for sticking with it.Regards jonny

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #202 on: June 22, 2009, 09:13:12 PM »
Quite stable levitating satellite:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oq1q6BDChx0


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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #203 on: June 23, 2009, 03:15:06 AM »
Some experiments concerning feeding energy back to the source have been made.
Since some things that have been done with bearing-based bedini motors were tried on the one magnet bearingless motor, i have dug up a conceptional idea by Bedini/Cole that has been succesfully modified by Rick Friedrich for his school boy motor.

The fact that the single main rotor magnet has no flywheel makes it difficult to attach commutators to it to do the switching, so i have tried to keep the original solid state idea.

Unfortunately there was not much effect.
I have tried bipolar transistors and MOSFETs to do the switching because i thought that the switching would maybe not happen with either one of them.
The dilemma is that solid state switching never ABSOLUTELY disconnects anything, rather it is controlled by raising the resistance in the transistors and i believe that this is the source of the
missing success of this attempt.
I will further try to find ways to deal with that.
Am no big fan of Reed switches, they have such a limited lifespan and have a limited frequency that they can switch and hall sensors dissipate power which i think is also not good.


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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #204 on: June 23, 2009, 03:32:45 AM »
My Mess . I charged a 6 volt SLA (6.54) with two nimh batterys volts 2.6 milliams 1.1 is the lowest i have so far . You know its easy to run this on practically nothing and generate a heck of a lot more from the pick ups . I will be playing with returning all the outputs and see if they will produce more than 2 milliamps at the primary voltage of 3 volts . I think this can easily be done with the JT on some satellites .  I will wind another super coil sometime soon as i need this to run off one volt . Anyone have a tube magnet and ball Bering they want to sell or swap me for some solar panels and rare germanium high gain transistors ?
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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #205 on: June 23, 2009, 04:21:27 AM »
Some experiments concerning feeding energy back to the source have been made.
Since some things that have been done with bearing-based bedini motors were tried on the one magnet bearingless motor, i have dug up a conceptional idea by Bedini/Cole that has been succesfully modified by Rick Friedrich for his school boy motor.

The fact that the single main rotor magnet has no flywheel makes it difficult to attach commutators to it to do the switching, so i have tried to keep the original solid state idea.

Unfortunately there was not much effect.
I have tried bipolar transistors and MOSFETs to do the switching because i thought that the switching would maybe not happen with either one of them.
The dilemma is that solid state switching never ABSOLUTELY disconnects anything, rather it is controlled by raising the resistance in the transistors and i believe that this is the source of the
missing success of this attempt.
I will further try to find ways to deal with that.
Am no big fan of Reed switches, they have such a limited lifespan and have a limited frequency that they can switch and hall sensors dissipate power which i think is also not good.


Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy1dDLQu71Y
a hall effect transducer and a few fets should do it .

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #206 on: June 23, 2009, 10:48:37 AM »
Jonny and all:

I took apart my plate set-up for my one magnet, no bearing replication and removed the core.  My 1" cylinder spins very stable now.  (Man, those things are STRONG!)  It spins very fast but I am unable to get a satellite magnet to spin from it.  When I hold one in my hand anywhere near the spinning one, I can feel very strong pulses at a high frequency...even up to about 24" away.

I am going to do some experiments with some magnet wire wrapped around the spinning magnet to see what happens.  Maybe I can pick-up some output via induction as, even though the coil will be spinning the same speed as the cylinder, it will still be turning very fast relative to the coil which is basically an electro-magnet part of the time.  Maybe nothing, maybe something...who knows?

I also want to replicate Retrod's orbiting aluminum sphere experiments as well.  So much to do.

Bill

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #207 on: June 23, 2009, 04:50:02 PM »
Jonny and all:

I took apart my plate set-up for my one magnet, no bearing replication and removed the core.  My 1" cylinder spins very stable now.  (Man, those things are STRONG!)  It spins very fast but I am unable to get a satellite magnet to spin from it.  When I hold one in my hand anywhere near the spinning one, I can feel very strong pulses at a high frequency...even up to about 24" away.

I am going to do some experiments with some magnet wire wrapped around the spinning magnet to see what happens.  Maybe I can pick-up some output via induction as, even though the coil will be spinning the same speed as the cylinder, it will still be turning very fast relative to the coil which is basically an electro-magnet part of the time.  Maybe nothing, maybe something...who knows?

I also want to replicate Retrod's orbiting aluminum sphere experiments as well.  So much to do.

Bill
Im running core less also Bill . Can you give me a Source of your 1 inch tube . the one jonny has is way too expensive for one magnet . like 18 dollars with the 12.99 gbp shipping  !! I got My 1 inch ball n48 magnet in and that thing spins so fast i cannot figure out a way to keep it still . It flew off like a buck shot and put a hole in the wall :) I have never seen anything spin that fast with 2 little batteries pulling so little current . I estimate 100,000 rpm . i have tried the saturn magnet but cant get it to stop rolling around . i even tried oil in the bowl . it wants to FLY or walk away  !!The only thing i can think of is floating it in a container of mercury ???????

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #208 on: June 23, 2009, 05:23:16 PM »
@Gadgetmall:
Just use a higher base resistance to stabilize the rotation by reducing the speed.
However i think it cant possibly rotate at 100k RPM that would be 100-200 times faster as what
most people are having their magnets rotate at, especially not at 1 -2 mA and with friction.
At 12 Volt i had problems too preventing it to lift off due to the higher current provided by a 12 V battery.

I will experiment with a hall transducer-based circuit now and see if the current consumption of the hall will indeed get compensated by the return.



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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #209 on: June 23, 2009, 06:31:13 PM »
@gadgetmall - try this link for magnets - http://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=RC4CDIA

@JonnyDavro - great work going on - I have been too busy to do anything lately - I did put a compass up to the spinning snake egg and found that the side has very little effect on it but when held above the top of the magnet it spun the compass. Perhaps this helps explain the additional power when the pick up coils are tilted.

@zenomorph - everything that I have read on pickup coils states that the opening size (center) of the coil should be close to the same size as the diameter of the magnet that is being used - a 2" magnet would require a 2" diameter center. This could account for the differences that you and Jonny are having in your coils. If possible could you wind a pickup coil on a much smaller diameter bobbin to see if this makes a big difference?

I did mess around with an aircore (lidmotor coil with the iron core removed) and got a 5/8" round going great. Also got a number (6) satelites (1/8") spinning using an Xwobble snake egg magnet...fun stuff. Really looking forward to getting some of the cylinder mags soon.

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