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Author Topic: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor  (Read 177560 times)

Offline Pirate88179

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #150 on: June 06, 2009, 08:25:43 PM »
Jonny:

"A bit of a breakthrough"?  Holy crap!  This is tremendous.  You can run all of those additional magnets with no more power input?  A certain number would have to be getting close to unity and, a few more after that would be overunity I believe.  Spinning a magnet is work, although I have no idea how to calculate how much.  So, if you can spin 1 magnet with x input and then 20 magnets with the same x input, that has to be something very special to have discovered.

Maybe some of the other smart guys on this forum can help with the calculations.  I am just talking about the work done by spinning the magnets, and we have not even accounted for the additional output of your pick-up coils!!

I believe this is a very significant discovery Jonny!  Nice work.

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #151 on: June 06, 2009, 10:36:58 PM »
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I believe this is a very significant discovery Jonny!  Nice work.

WOW! Indeed.

If you put multiple spherical magnets in the same container do they cancel out or do they all ride the same path? Throwing out some other ideas. Place a small amount of water in a container does it still spin? Would it create a vortex?

Do you think it could drive a 2" magnetic sphere to turn a shaft?
http://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=SY0

I did a quick concept in Sketch-up. The white part is on a bearing which will turn the shaft as the magnets spin around. The magnets may need to be isolated better or the coil has to be placed in the middle with the other around the outsides. Think non-contact Searl device.






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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #152 on: June 07, 2009, 07:34:54 PM »
here's a vid of the coil all mounted into a cigarbox, the foil just keeps it from wandering too far....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-Bb5KFsPmI

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #152 on: June 07, 2009, 07:34:54 PM »
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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #153 on: June 08, 2009, 01:26:58 AM »
Hi.I have managed to get the satellite magnets to self start and completly stable.(I have only tried 4 as i don't have any more plastic eggs but all 4 self started)I noticed yesterday that if i had a stationary satellite on the worktop within 7"of the main rotor,it would vibrate and then i realised it was spinning on the spot so i placed a pickup coil underneath and the Led will light to full brightness.I also tried the 6mm sphere's in toy plastic eggs and it works great.
Here is a vid and some pics.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kI-4DbJH5jU

@Pirate.Thanks Bill.I am pretty excited about this and now i know i can recover energy efficiently,it may get interesting.Regarding amp draw.With just the main rotor spinning,it was drawing 8.5mA and with the 10 satellites,11mA but after tonights test,each satalite is well capable of lighting an Led to full brightness so???
P.S Loved your latest EB vid.400 Leds.Wow.You will be off grid before me the way your going hehe.Cheers Bill. Regards jonny
@Dreamthinkbuild.Nice graphic.I don't think it will work though as i tried to get larger Neo sphere's to spin and had no luck.The 6mm one's are light and can react to the magnetic fields quicker than the larger,heavier sphere's so i think thats why they work.Thanks for taking the time to create that master piece and for your suggestions.They are most welcome.Regards jonny

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #154 on: June 08, 2009, 02:45:16 PM »
wow bright led!! I like the compactness of the eggs, could put the coil and the led and the 6mm neo all in the egg and seal it up. that way you have a self contained little gen., I might try that...cool stuff...

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #155 on: June 08, 2009, 05:49:53 PM »
Congratulations @jonnydavro !

You and @pirate are on the lead !

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #156 on: June 10, 2009, 08:25:08 AM »
Hi .Yesterday i tested the output of my pickup coil with one stable satellite rotor and it was 7.54v AC.later i tried with a bridge rectifier and it was 8.05v DC.
@Jesus.I consider the energy pirate is collecting with his Earth battery to be free as he reports no galvanic damage so if he can scale it,he will be off grid before us all hehe.Regards jonny

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #157 on: June 10, 2009, 02:09:13 PM »
@jonnydavro

Try to use that voltage with a cap and a diode as a feedback to the battery to see if it self runs.

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #158 on: June 10, 2009, 04:08:50 PM »
I think this http://www.windycitynovelties.com/13629p/ufo-light-up-led-spinning-top.html?s_cid=SHO13629 may work in a similar way?

Bits & Pieces sold something similar as well, but I can`t find it on their webpage at the moment.

Btw, love the lazymans twisted pair method  of building a coil!

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #159 on: June 11, 2009, 02:10:47 AM »
I think this http://www.windycitynovelties.com/13629p/ufo-light-up-led-spinning-top.html?s_cid=SHO13629 may work in a similar way?

Bits & Pieces sold something similar as well, but I can`t find it on their webpage at the moment.

Btw, love the lazymans twisted pair method  of building a coil!

@Lakes, I have seen those spinners in novelty shops. I am not 100% sure but they appear to be similar. The 'lazy man's' coil is still working. I got the rig generating up to 75 volts while powering 34 LED's in series today  :).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqdLSMPsKx0

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #160 on: June 11, 2009, 06:56:42 PM »
@johnnydavro . that is incredible . I have orders 20 6mm balls today .there cheap http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150350917893&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOIBSA:US:1123  I love the idea of a sealed generator egg. maybe petri  dishes on the top and bottom of the pickup coil ? use both sides . Nice . I am going to replicate this and will probably need your help . Im shootin for your 1 volt input . Congrats !!!
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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #161 on: June 11, 2009, 08:47:25 PM »
Feeding back to the source is a heavy load.
I have tried it and eventually the main rotor will slow down that much that the speed of the satellite rotors becomes insufficient to induce a high enough voltage to charge anything. Lenz is hitting hard here  :-[
But maybe Jonny has more luck with this  ;)

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #162 on: June 11, 2009, 10:00:54 PM »
Feeding back to the source is a heavy load.
I have tried it and eventually the main rotor will slow down that much that the speed of the satellite rotors becomes insufficient to induce a high enough voltage to charge anything. Lenz is hitting hard here  :-[
But maybe Jonny has more luck with this  ;)
Lenz law won't have a chance here . imagine 10 to 100 satellites all producing current and the machine runs from 1. 4 volts drawing 10 milliamps . And add more satellite rotors producing  volts and Current for the cost of no more input .
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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #163 on: June 11, 2009, 11:18:35 PM »
@Gadgetmall
You will see what i mean when you have your setup going.
You wont be able to spin 100 satellites under load here.
The main rotor slows down as soon as you put a load on any pickup coil.
And it adds up, one satellite slows it down, if you bring in a second one it slows down more etc.
You will have to eventually crank up the input amp draw to increase the main rotor speed which is undesirable of course.
Except if you manage to maximize the satellite rotor top-speed and coil specs, thats the only way to maybe counter that.

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #164 on: June 12, 2009, 03:33:41 AM »
@Gadgetmall
You will see what i mean when you have your setup going.
You wont be able to spin 100 satellites under load here.
The main rotor slows down as soon as you put a load on any pickup coil.
And it adds up, one satellite slows it down, if you bring in a second one it slows down more etc.
You will have to eventually crank up the input amp draw to increase the main rotor speed which is undesirable of course.
Except if you manage to maximize the satellite rotor top-speed and coil specs, thats the only way to maybe counter that.
Oh . I did not know that . I assumed they ran with no effect on the main coil (:  Well that sucks however jonny has 10 going at 10 ma .
so what your saying is if i put 10 coils within 12 inches of the main coil and SHORT them the main coil will die ? DOsn't make much since being just one satellite pickup produces more energy than the run battery . an led take 3.2 to 4 volts at least 10 ma for a blue one . Even if its pulsed dc coming from that coil . Jonny can you do a diode test on that pickup coil and check the Millliamps please .Thanks
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