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Offline gadgetmall

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #270 on: July 03, 2009, 09:16:40 PM »
@Gadgetmall.Hi Al.I have found also that no two snake eggs are the same.I have some which refuse to spin on low volts also so it really is a lottery with these.With your three sets you may get a vertical spinner but if you don't,let me know and i will send you some.Regards jonny
P.S If you get the chance Al,pop over to the energetic forum as there is also a thread on this motor over there and i am sure everyone there will be interested in your experiments.Many thanks Jonny
Well the Snake eggs came in / NONE OF THEM WILL SPIN AT ALL ??? out of 8 snake eggs only the one shown will spin at all . that is strange but the new magnets will not even wobble or try to wobble spin . Well i got balls with them also its sets of two snake eggs and two one inch balls . Lots of magnets . I also got the Cylinder magnets . they wont spin either ?? I have did a few more test . The Current Draw is 1 .1 milliamps at 5.5 volts and the secondary looped feedback to source is outputting 5-6 milliamp back to the battery . Its a Sure thing that this one is producing more current out than it takes to run it . only thing is one magnet works out of 15 magnets  :(  Hey i don't care . Cap test next i promise , i juts cant leave it alone and wanted to do a few more volts amps test before i go to ultra cap .. here we go !! Ok Just Started the Ultra cap test . I have TWO 650 farad 2.7 volt caps . the total on the two start voltage is 4.32 @3:30 pm est 7/3/2009 . i'll check in in one hour . This will give the story as caps done lie .  .. Ok its 4:30 . the caps are still at 4.32. I'll check back in one hour.Ok its 6:36 volts still unchanged at 4.32 . I'll let it run until wither i see it drop or rise . If Neither its a selfrunner as these caps take a lot of power to charge .i need a meter with 5 digits instead of 4
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« Last Edit: July 04, 2009, 12:38:26 AM by gadgetmall »

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #271 on: July 03, 2009, 11:42:24 PM »
Hi.I decided to extend the twin magnet rotor and add a third magnet at one end to see if i could extend the magnetic field by interlocking the fields off the top and bottom magnets and i tested the field with an orbiting satellite as it is quite good at showing the extent off the field and the satellite would spin all the way from the bottom magnets to a height above the top magnet.Here is a pic of the rotor and a vid off the test.Regards jonny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwRwZYarBHc

@Pirate.Hi Bill.There is a dead spot at the centre of the coil when the magnet is dead centred as it won't trigger the transistor so this is why the magnets run of centre over the windings best.I came up with the twin magnet rotor to try and negate this dead spot and utilise opposite sides of the coil at 180 degrees.The suspended idea is something that Xenomorph and El-tigre have been working on.The negative amp draw is interesting.It only happens for a second or two when i move the rotor sharply towards the coil but it is quite a high negative pulse and i have not seen this before.When i do this the rotor slows (maybe Lenz)but doesn't stop so its as if it is inducing a voltage in the bifilar coil but i am a bit puzzled by it.Regards jonny

p.s. Thats a great new thread you have started on the Georgian earth battery Bill.I must admit i can't keep away from it.Nice one.

@Gadget.Hi Al.I was thinking about your motor today and wondering how it was doing and i am glad to here it is still going good.I think you have got something special there Al as to get a snake egg going on that kind off draw is pretty amazing in itself.The best i have done is 1.34v at 4mA.I can run a cylinder at less than 1mA @1.5V so i was kind off hoping these would work for you.
Like you say,the cap test will tell the real picture but if its outputting 6mA,its got a chance.
Keep us informed Al and good luck.Regards jonny.



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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #272 on: July 04, 2009, 11:40:50 PM »
@Gadgetmall-The lutec generator reports a nearly identical COP of over 5. They fire the magnet rotor pulse at the fulcrum point and switch the pulse coil to an output coil after 20% of the cleat shaped magnet rotor passes, by commutator. I believe your snake egg version can be explained well by using their operating theory.

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #273 on: July 05, 2009, 07:34:25 AM »
@Gadgetmall-The lutec generator reports a nearly identical COP of over 5. They fire the magnet rotor pulse at the fulcrum point and switch the pulse coil to an output coil after 20% of the cleat shaped magnet rotor passes, by commutator. I believe your snake egg version can be explained well by using their operating theory.
My Test is Done .I am Happy to say its a self runner With Caps . Ultra caps . It has not Dropped nor gained a tenth of a volt since i started this test . 4. 32 is where she stays . and with a battery it indeed does see a charge . I think with a smaller super cap it would charge faster . I believe its charging but the ultra cap is like a dead short to a charger so its going to take along time to see a 10th of a volt increase . My Next little venturse with this one is encase it's electronics and build a capture circuit for the the relay coil like jonny did and then proceed with a satellite coil and try to increase the amount of charge to the ultra caps . . Such a Simple Circuit . Just winding the coil different and a rectifier sk3606 is the only changes i made .. Problem is all the magnets are different in there magnetization somehow and one wobble spins . the other don't do nothing on this coil design . . .l8r Guys . It can be done as i have again proved it to myself and that all that counts . I think its replication with the right magnet . The one i am using i got years ago when they first came out . I have no idea why its magnetized different . I'll get some magnetic viewer film and see if i can tell  later on . I'm curious .
PS . I got me a Digital Storage Scope cumming 200 mzh hatichi . More Fun ! i stole it with a sniper on ebay for 89 shipping included .
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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #274 on: July 06, 2009, 04:52:20 PM »
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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #275 on: July 11, 2009, 09:10:40 PM »
Hi.Here is a vid of a test i did with my 6mm Neo sphere motor.I tested single and twin sphere rotors and i think with the addition off a pickup coil to each end of the bifilar so the sphere's are inside,it would generate well.The rpm's are insane too and if i up the voltage and add a lubricant, i might here a sonic boom lol.Regards jonny
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHKcWHn3GnE

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #276 on: July 15, 2009, 03:26:25 PM »
@JonnyDavro, great video, been way too busy on a construction project, hope to start a real build asap. :-\

@all - did any of you see this in the JT thread....have you tried it JonnyDavro? :o

@ All,
Carnot play catch up just yet, got to make this post, then pack for the weekend, then be back on Monday.

I needed a break from here as I wasn't getting satisfaction with the JT work I was doing, sometimes a complete break and fresh ideas are needed, I stumbled onto a couple of things in the other forums and fealt these are what I needed, and lo and behold, some complete surprises.
 
OK I mentioned I had managed to run my bedini on its own output, this is how I went about it.

If you take just the output from the secondary coil after rectifying it, and place the Pos to power in and Neg to Neg in, it will not work.

The trick is to insert 3 12v batteries (in my case I had 3 long thin gel cells), connect them in series making a total of 36v. My Bedini can put out 40v rectified.

No I took the power from the middle of the 3 batteries (Batt 2) fed the Pos to Pos input and the Neg to Neg input and it kept running.
Next I disconnected the original battery which started and ran the bedini.

How does this happen, well I think the small amount of energy cripples itself, (it sees it as a short circuit) but, if the full output voltage is applied right across a much bigger battery, then if you take from the center battery, it seems to be "sampling" the energy.
When the Transistor turns off, the pulse hits the battery, the battery supplies just a small er energy to feed back to the Bedini circuit.

There seems to be a rebound wave of energy that is created, much like a spring effect at the battery. Difficult to explain this.

OK now how to make a JT run on its own energy?

Do the same as I did with the Bedini, but use 3 "extra" Batteries on the output, make sure you bridge it first.

I think (I haven't tried this) if you get 3 identical capacitors (electrolytics) and connect them in series, then connect them the same as the 3 batteries, this should also do the same thing.


Here's a few circuits  have fun.

jim
 

Got to get another couple of batteries. ;D

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #277 on: July 16, 2009, 10:41:29 AM »
Hi.I have been investigating the negative amp draw i was getting in the video on page 15 with my twin magnet rotor and it works with a single magnet rotor too and i think i am understanding what might be going on.This is what i think.
First of the voltage is coming from the coil and the return path is via the transistor's emitter.I know this as i placed a forward facing diode after the coil's primary winding connecting to the collector and it blocked the negative pulse.
I also put a diode in reverse accross(white stripe towards the collector) the transistor and the negetive pulse still occurs so the induced voltage is comming out of the coil,through the run battery and back to the coil via the transistors emmitter.
This is what i think may be happening.When i place the magnet sharply in front of the coil,nearly touching,the magnet is inducing a high voltage in both power and trigger coils.The transistor turns on but as the voltage induced in the primary is high,the voltage in the trigger coil is high due to transformer action and not just a spike so the transistor stays on and this slows the magnet but as the magnet has a lot of kenetic energy it is still inducing voltages in the coils and this voltage goes around,through the run battery,through the transistor's emmitter and back to the coil.I am not sure what the reverse breakdown voltage is of the TIP 3055 and 2N2222 as these are two i have used but it goes through a diode placed accross the transistor as well.
This is a real negative current as i have placed two diodes after the ampmeter.One forward and an LED backwards.When the meter goes negative,the LED lights.
One other thing.My bifilar coil is 1:1 , 26swg for both trigger and power winding of equal lengh.
I have designed a circuit to show and capture this negative pulse which i enclose.It may be better to use low voltage drop diodes but i just used what i had and it works.Switch S1 just turns the motor off and the cap still charges as the rotor spins down so i think this should work with most coils and the important thing is the strong cylinder magnet and high speed for inducing the voltage.
I think the interesting thing about all this is that there is a return path through the battery and back to the coil through the transistors emmiter.
@Brownsville.That is very interesting.I will look into Jims discovery.Many thanks jonny.

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #278 on: July 29, 2009, 02:53:33 PM »
Haha...anybody seen this?

http://fascinations.com/unique-toys-gifts/top-secret.htm

opened up one of these all it has is a transistor and the coil and the batt.

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #279 on: July 30, 2009, 03:49:42 AM »
Pyrodin:

Nice find!!!  Any idea how old this device is?  I mean, is it a brand new product or one that has been around a bit?  Hmmmm, maybe someone saw Jonny's device and said "Hey, I can make money with that!!!"

Very interesting.  But, they still can't do what Jonny and some others have done, ha ha.

Thanks for posting this.

Bill

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #280 on: July 30, 2009, 12:19:07 PM »
Around 3 years ago someone on the youtube had something similar and was asking if anyone wanted to pay him a large sum to buy his design.

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #281 on: July 30, 2009, 02:50:26 PM »
there is a "copyright 2005" and "made in china" on the box no patent number or any technical data of any kind on the box or the base/top

the 2005 copyright could just be for the name "Top Secret"

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #282 on: July 30, 2009, 03:05:49 PM »
"The "Top Secret" consists of a spinning top with a ----radially oriented -----magnetic field and an associated base that houses a conductive coil. "

The top is "radially oriented" so I guess that means from the center out  like a bullseye with north in the center and south along the outside or vice versa?
has anybody tried with a radially oriented magnet?

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #283 on: July 30, 2009, 06:04:03 PM »
Pyrodin:

Thanks for the info.  I think that that is the same as diametrically opposed magnetic tubes that we are using, same with the snake eggs.  Instead of the top and bottom being the poles, they are on the sides, radially.  I may be incorrect but this is my understanding.

Bill

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #284 on: July 30, 2009, 10:39:12 PM »
I thought radial was like a speaker magnet.....with the north or south in the center and the opposite on the outer edges.....and I think somebody commented about this kind of top earlier in the thread, but I've slept since then so.......

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