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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #210 on: June 23, 2009, 07:36:21 PM »
Al:

Here is where I got mine:

http://www.magnet4less.com/index.php?cPath=13&osCsid=a868f027ba7724ab79125c2c77ca7a49

$4.40 ea.  Watch the minimum order as I was going to get 3 but was able to get 5 for just a dollar or two more.  These, as all of them probably are, are so strong, if 2 get stuck together, it is very hard to get them apart.  I am still pretty strong and I am telling you it took me 5 minutes last night to get 2 of them apart.

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #210 on: June 23, 2009, 07:36:21 PM »

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #211 on: June 23, 2009, 08:07:53 PM »
@Xenomorph.Nice work with the levitating satelite.I wonder if you could introduce rotation by bringing in a slave coil?
Regarding your feedback to source circuit.You may be able to use optocouplers as these will isolate the coils.
Have you seen comwarriors vids on feed back to source?
He is using optocouplers and this may give you some more options and idea's.
@Pirate.Hi Bill.Your setup should be great for spinning the cylinder and satellites now you have removed the core.Is what you need to do to get the satellites going is first drop your voltage right down.I would try two AA batteries first and you can always add more later.The satellites are spinning in the rotating magnetic field and if it is rotating to fast the satellites can't react to it.
What kind of containers are you using for the satellites?I use small plastic containers with a slight taper for the orbiting satellites.If these are paced upside down with the taper facing down,the 6mm sphere rotates in a nice flat orbit.You just give these a quick flick with your wrist and these start.This type of satellite is not as good for induction as the stable satellite.
The stable satellite is easy to do.You just need to contain the sphere in a very small container.I have been using tops of washing up liquid bottles,the type which has a push pull plunger.I posted a pic earlier of this type.I have used ice cube trays but you need to tilt the tray so the spheres are resting against the front wall.
Now the trick to starting the stable one's is this.Place your satellites about 6"  away from your rotor and then give your cylinder rotor a slow WOBBLY spin.It's the intial wobblyness of the rotor which starts them up.You should here a crackling noise like rain on a tin roof.You can start more by holding them close to the rotor until you here them crackling and then move them away and they will keep going.
You can use a pick up coil to light a led to show you they are generating.I would makeone using 40 swg mag wire as i seem to be able to recover quite high voltages with mine.A coil from a relay is even better if you can find one where you can fit the sphere inside the hole where the core used to be.
So to sum up Bill.Drop your voltage and a nice wobbly initial spin should get you going.
@Gadget.Hi Al.Sounds like you are having some fun now ay.I think the cyinders are more economical than the snake eggs so you may see a further reduction on your already miniscule current draw.Happy experimenting.
@Brownsville.Hi and thanks.I am glad you are still with us and quietly working away.Nice job with the six satellites of a snake egg.Try and get a cylinder if you can and thanks for the info

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #212 on: June 23, 2009, 11:55:14 PM »
Thanks Jonny . your on to something here . I am Now an Affiliate for the BIG FAT TUBE Diametrical Magnetized MAGNETS . they are in two sizes  the largest is 1 inch X 1 inch and very Strong and Cheap . If interested Click on the picture of them on My Site and you will be redirected to the Applied Magnetic s  . Many Thanks if you do get them from that link www.sunpowerwindpower.com . Thanks and Happy Experimenting !!I'm having fun !
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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #213 on: June 24, 2009, 12:28:32 AM »
A made a test with a reed switch to isolate the circuit while discharging a tertiary winding into the source but it does not work as expected.
Since the school boy motor runs at very low RPM too, i even tried it with zero base resistance and low voltage because i also found out that the reed switch would not let enough radiant energy pass through it at high RPMs even though there is sparks in the reed tube.
I verified this using a 3rd battery and it charged at low RPM but not at high RPM.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a306xylLNx0

Next i will try hall transducers with MOSFETs, which switch faster than reeds but dont isolate completely.

@Jonnydavro: I will look into the opto-coupler variant of the guy, i used a photovoltaic MOSFET driver that also isolates the gate.

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #214 on: June 24, 2009, 04:27:34 AM »
@Gadgetmall:

Are you actually using different components than those in Jonnydavros circuit?
I just had the idea you might be using a germanium transistor or something like that to have the magnet spinning at 1mA. Or some kind of tank circuit.
You see my lowest amperage under which the magnet stops rotating is like 3 mA and that is with all resistances set to zero, or maybe your coil is indeed somehow different.
I d like to find a way to speed the magnet up and still run at low amperage and you said you even consider the rotation to be extremely fast.


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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #214 on: June 24, 2009, 04:27:34 AM »
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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #215 on: June 24, 2009, 05:44:13 AM »
@Gadgetmall:

Are you actually using different components than those in Jonnydavros circuit?
I just had the idea you might be using a germanium transistor or something like that to have the magnet spinning at 1mA. Or some kind of tank circuit.
You see my lowest amperage under which the magnet stops rotating is like 3 mA and that is with all resistances set to zero, or maybe your coil is indeed somehow different.
I d like to find a way to speed the magnet up and still run at low amperage and you said you even consider the rotation to be extremely fast.
I am using two pots one resistor a coil from a 110 volt relay a tip3055 transistor and this particular coil is the secret . i originally wound the coil you see on a 1/4 piece of pvc pipe with two cut out circles of Lucite for the ends of the coil . i only wound one wire . 500 feet of # 24 / i was using this coil as a pickup coil only on a rotor bedini . Well i wound just 350 turns around that coil the other night and used it for a trigger . The egg magnet wobbles and spins SLOW but the output is fed in to two 50 volt caps in series on the output side of the circuit  so it charges up very quick to over 100 volts fast . i t is running on 2 nimh batterys .I have tried 12 volts and did not get the magnet to spin any faster .the reason is there is like only two tiny layers of trigger on that big spool of wire . the distance of the trigger coil is about the length of the egg magnet so it like to wobble right on the edge of that trigger wire . look the green is the original 500 feet and the red is 350 turns . Its a limited trigger area. and its spinning with no noticeable drop running it for over two days and playing with different magnets . i run it all night and day . so far so good . Its spins a few satellite good but slow .I set a pot on each leg of the relay coil and the resistor is at the base .i could only get it to wobble spin on one side of this coil but it is steady and i have a cone of silence on it now :) Now i was playing with that big sphere neo  and it will spin fast on the edge of the red and green but it spins so fast it eventually starts to dig in and run away . i am sure the current draw is high with it spinning so fast .I even tried oil on the bowl but i think i saw smoke and it eventually burns it away and then fires off the bowl like a buck shot from hell ! the Egg on this one is a jewel .It purrrrs with its slow wobble . I am making another one and leaving this one to do its thing . i will probably mount the electronics and coil in a nice container and let it run as is and charge away . I will work on that swapper circuit of mine with the 555 timer and make it flop two sets of batteries . My next coil will be made just for this project . 4 wires litz .
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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #216 on: June 24, 2009, 06:19:03 AM »
Jonny:

Thanks for the tips and the advice.  Once I removed the core, I tried a small neo sphere, about 1/4" dia. and placed it in a plastic test ube like container that closely matched the dia. of the sphere.  I stuck that down inside the coil and, with a little spin (9 volts supplied) that thing took off and sang like a turbine engine!

I tried the same tube later for my satelitte but it did not work.  but, you are correct, my main rotor mag. was spinning very fast.  I will try the lower input power to see what happens.  I may have enough adjustment with my 2 pots to slow it down, but, I doubt it.

There are so many things to try with this device, it makes my head spin.  Just holding a small neo in your hand anywhere near the spinning primary magnet gives off very strong vibrations.  This is so cool.  I wonder what magnetic tape would do?  I wonder if we could capture energy using the mag. tape like that guy that made the wind device with magnetic tape vibrating between 2 coils in a very slow wind?

Again, the possibilities are endless here.

Thanks again.

Bill

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #217 on: June 24, 2009, 06:27:16 AM »
Bill
Thank you for the Source of the tube magnets . i order 4 of the 1 inch and a 3/4 inch one . I am now also an affiliate with them . thank you so much . I am getting lost in the bedini sickness again . i thought i had done it all and now look at this thing . i bet this will be an easy ou device shortly when combined with a Jt . Mine running at 1 millamp and putting out a 100 look s promising !

Albert

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #218 on: June 24, 2009, 06:47:02 AM »
Albert:

Glad to hear that.  They seem to be a good company in that, I placed my order, and they very promptly sent me what I ordered.  I agree that we have just begun to explore what these things can do.  As you know, I already ran one of these tubes and a Bedini circuit from my earth battery and the ultracap I ordered from you.  After seeing what Jonny has been able to do, as well as you, and Retrod, and Xenomorph, Brownsville, and the others, I am going to have trouble keeping up.

Great job on the low amp draw.  I am sure you could run this from one of your EB's easily.

Bill

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #219 on: June 24, 2009, 06:48:07 AM »
@Gadgetmall- You're progress is awesome! Here's a simple example that may help. Imagine a simple solenoid, a tube with a handful of windings. and a magnet plunger that we propel with a pulse. If we increase the field strength of the plunger, it will travel further in the tube with the same pulse current, right? So the greater the magnet strength, the more the spinning magnet is going to turn on the pulse coil.

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #220 on: June 24, 2009, 01:37:56 PM »
@Gadgetmall- You're progress is awesome! Here's a simple example that may help. Imagine a simple solenoid, a tube with a handful of windings. and a magnet plunger that we propel with a pulse. If we increase the field strength of the plunger, it will travel further in the tube with the same pulse current, right? So the greater the magnet strength, the more the spinning magnet is going to turn on the pulse coil.
Hi . and Welcome on behalf of jonnydavro me and the others testing . . Your first post is flattering  :P :P Thanks a bunch . I am not sure what you are trying to describe:) I know that because the magnet egg spins on mine slow that the transistor ON time which turn on the power coil to keep the rotation wobble going is very slow compared to something that spins at light speed which turns on the transistor 100's of time a  second . mine maybe 5 times a second .the voltage required looks to be about 2 volts so far on this coil at 1 Ma  to keep the magnet wobble spin .I have seen it dip lower to 0.83 milliamps . In this case more voltage (12)did nothing but raise the current draw after adjustment to 2 and 3 milliamps . it did not go faster because of the area of my trigger coil is limited . once the edges of the magnet hit the trigger area it stays there .the edges of my magnet ride on the red . that is how much it will stand up . now if i did this coil litz then it would stand up straight and spin like crazy .. I have a 5 strand litz i will also try again now that i got the circuit working and know what to look for . this run the heavy 1 inch tube magnet very fast i am sure . i will play with tank s on the base pots to reduce the current draw . one thing is the relay coil indeed reduced the draw dramatically ! i have not even tried to capture that energy yet . i forgot jonny is doing that . You need to make one and join in the Fun .this is what i do for fun :)  once you see what it does its addictive . i am so amazed at John Bedini's stuff as you know the rotation of the magnet is free and an extra source of power . He uses opto coupler in in his book of circuits . I bought it for 50 dollars and it contains some interesting information not available on the net .
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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #221 on: June 24, 2009, 02:28:28 PM »
@Gadgetmall:

Thanks for the photos and the detailed description.
It becomes apparent that you have made a main coil with quite different dimensions from what Jonny, myself and others use for their main coil. Seems like the diameter is even smaller than the length of the snake egg. Also the fact that you dont use an actual bifilar coil, but limited to trigger winding to the upper quarter of the coil winding it on top of the power winding is interesting.
Is it wound the same direction as the power winding (i mean clockwise or anticlockwise?)
Is it also the same gauge than the power winding (AWG 24) ?
That opens room for a lot of speculations.
If i am not mistaken the trigger coil is then actually only exposed to one magnetic polarity of the power coil becoming an electromagnet during the induction. Maybe that offers a big advantage?
Also commwarrior has found out that windings on top of main coils can have only a minimal Lenz effect on the magnet/power coil when wound in a certain direction in regards to how the power coil is wound (not sure which)
Possible capacitive effects between the trigger and power winding are also reduced.

Very interesting really.

110 V relay coil ? Ahh one of them magic ones, okay that will be impossible for me to find anywhere hehe.

Keep it up,
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« Reply #222 on: June 24, 2009, 04:00:28 PM »
@Gadgetmall:

Thanks for the photos and the detailed description.
It becomes apparent that you have made a main coil with quite different dimensions from what Jonny, myself and others use for their main coil. Seems like the diameter is even smaller than the length of the snake egg. Also the fact that you dont use an actual bifilar coil, but limited to trigger winding to the upper quarter of the coil winding it on top of the power winding is interesting.
Is it wound the same direction as the power winding (i mean clockwise or anticlockwise?)
Is it also the same gauge than the power winding (AWG 24) ?
That opens room for a lot of speculations.
If i am not mistaken the trigger coil is then actually only exposed to one magnetic polarity of the power coil becoming an electromagnet during the induction. Maybe that offers a big advantage?
Also commwarrior has found out that windings on top of main coils can have only a minimal Lenz effect on the magnet/power coil when wound in a certain direction in regards to how the power coil is wound (not sure which)
Possible capacitive effects between the trigger and power winding are also reduced.

Very interesting really.

110 V relay coil ? Ahh one of them magic ones, okay that will be impossible for me to find anywhere hehe.

Keep it up,
Xenomorph
The second trigger was wound the same direction of the power coil . Actually the trigger coil is a little smaller than the width but when the magnet wobbles its edges stay on the trigger coil so you can get an idea of the height of the wobble spin . I go this relay from an old militarist power distributions box . i am lucky in that i have a 10 acre surplus yard 7 miles from me and i can look all day long and get a bucket full of neat old military stuff for a few dollars ,including meters coils transformers switches ,and they have barrels of magnite and iron filings and chromium powders and yea its great .they have all the old univac computers and neat stuff with lights ,relays switches . In fact i unwound a transformer to get that 500 feet of green wire for this coil .  secondary WIRE is #26  I GUESSED at the primary wire  I DON'T THINK IT MATTERS . the coil and spool i made is three inches long .As far as relay coils gos you got one . just find an old barber shop hair clipper (the one that buzzes)and get the coil out of it .I this 220 volt coil will be even better i pick them up at the flea market for a buck and they make NICE picups !!!lots of windings . Other common Sources of relay coils are on washing machines water control valves and ice making refrigerators water controller solenoids and most Tvs that are thrown away have a few relays in them for a delay / also remember the yoke on a tv tube is full of wire . As far as the trigger goes  it takes two magnetic polarities to make the transistor do its thing . Of Coarse the power coil is also producing two Voltage polarities , one to repell and the other bemf to charge the secondary . I am sure the trigger is absorbing some of that energy but not much. now if i wind one more coild aroung this setup i will have a way to pull the induced voltage from the power coil threw the trigger coil  i think . ? anyways . its a done deal on this first one here . i am happy with it and am already making the second one . I have 6 strong magnets so im making 6 rotor s/coils / Why stop at the 10 or 11 bedinis i all ready made . this is fun  . I want to give one to my dad and my brothers . i can run a Jt off the secondary battery and light 30 and 40 white leds with a tiny 2 milliamp drew on a germanium transistor tanked Joule thief . this is Very interesting .
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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #223 on: June 25, 2009, 12:44:38 AM »
Bill
Thank you for the Source of the tube magnets . i order 4 of the 1 inch and a 3/4 inch one . I am now also an affiliate with them . thank you so much . I am getting lost in the bedini sickness again . i thought i had done it all and now look at this thing . i bet this will be an easy ou device shortly when combined with a Jt . Mine running at 1 millamp and putting out a 100 look s promising !

Albert

I'm stuck in Ecuador right now a long way from my shop. I'm really itching to get back and tinker. In the mean time, it looks as though you simply wrapped an output coil around your power coil. There's no way the additional 100 ma can be attributed to back emf right? I am completely flabbergasted by your claim! I don't see how anyone could improve over your wobbly low amp draw high output ratio. I can't see how anyone could improve over 100x COP. This makes any other form of power generation obsolete. Seems like a good place to stop.     

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« Reply #224 on: June 25, 2009, 01:06:48 AM »
I'm stuck in Ecuador right now a long way from my shop. I'm really itching to get back and tinker. In the mean time, it looks as though you simply wrapped an output coil around your power coil. There's no way the additional 100 ma can be attributed to back emf right? I am completely flabbergasted by your claim! I don't see how anyone could improve over your wobbly low amp draw high output ratio. I can't see how anyone could improve over 100x COP. This makes any other form of power generation obsolete. Seems like a good place to stop.   
Well Its nothing for a bedini to produce high volts but its cool to see one do it on 1 milliamp and 2 small batteries . . i have built more than i can count on one hand and they all fire neons on the out put . The coil i wound over the power coil is called a TRIGGER . We can help you build one .
I Don't Claim anything that hasn't been proved already by someone however 1 milliamp is really nothing . Its due to the Slow Wobble spin , I'm making a Video of it the week as soon as i can tidy it up a bit .

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