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Author Topic: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor  (Read 176712 times)

Offline nievesoliveras

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #180 on: June 15, 2009, 01:47:50 AM »
I have just tried Jesus suggestion with the one wire coil technique.
Unfortunately the source battery still runs down.
I first used one coil, the two in which i attached one to the plus and one to the minus of the battery (with diodes directed like he suggested)
In the end i even used 3 coils.
I am not saying that this might not work at all, just a very first attempt to do it.
Maybe Jesus has a suggestion on what to improve to to this succesfully?

I wonder if the battery has to be conditioned for negative charging for this too work?

My suggestion is to use a capacitor and a diode on one of this two ways to see if we can capture that elusive feedback to the source.
This specific two are for the negative pole.

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #180 on: June 15, 2009, 01:47:50 AM »

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #181 on: June 15, 2009, 09:02:30 AM »
Hi Jesus.Thanks for posting the diagram,that makes everything a lot clearer.I will try too but i have no free time till later in the week.Thanks again.Jonny

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #182 on: June 16, 2009, 12:48:09 AM »
A little update:
I have managed to charge a 3rd battery from the generator coil.
I did it like John Bedini showed it in EftV Part 7 by connecting one end of the coil
into a bridge rectifier and connected then both the output pins of the rectifier to the 3rd battery.
So thats charging without Lenz effect, placing the coil too close to the main rotor will kill its rotation though, but thats due to the metallic attraction and the magnetic field of the coil itself of course.

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #182 on: June 16, 2009, 12:48:09 AM »
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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #183 on: June 16, 2009, 11:38:14 PM »
I have made some long-term test now.
The first test was feeding back to the source via the potential charge method.
After 17 hours the source battery lost 0.07 Volt. (@5mA curent draw)
Then the 2nd test was without feedback
and the loss of 0.07 Volt was already occuring after 8.5 hours.
It is hard to actually measure the effect of this feedback thing, but i think
it shows a tendency.
I believe that charging an operating battery with a potential charge does not work as
good as if the battery would not operate and just sit there.
After all i charged a 3rd battery in no time with the same set-up.
The reason might be that moving ions could be be harder to potentialize for the radiant spikes.
Most feedback efforts with magnetic motors were using current-based hot charges back to the battery. Never heard of anyone successfully doing it with a radiant charge.
John Bedini has always neglected this possibility too. (Maybe just to keep his life in peace who knows)
Anyway thats my findings so far.

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #184 on: June 16, 2009, 11:56:15 PM »
I have made some long-term test now.
The first test was feeding back to the source via the potential charge method.
After 17 hours the source battery lost 0.07 Volt. (@5mA curent draw)
Then the 2nd test was without feedback
and the loss of 0.07 Volt was already occuring after 8.5 hours.
It is hard to actually measure the effect of this feedback thing, but i think
it shows a tendency.
I believe that charging an operating battery with a potential charge does not work as
good as if the battery would not operate and just sit there.
After all i charged a 3rd battery in no time with the same set-up.
The reason might be that moving ions could be be harder to potentialize for the radiant spikes.
Most feedback efforts with magnetic motors were using current-based hot charges back to the battery. Never heard of anyone successfully doing it with a radiant charge.
John Bedini has always neglected this possibility too. (Maybe just to keep his life in peace who knows)
Anyway thats my findings so far.

That was the motivation for the creation of the battery switcher.
When the battery is switched to the position of the charging battery for the duration of the charging spike, it does not block the charge received.

It is very difficult to attain the switching of the batteries with the minimal operational losses.

It can be done though.

Jesus

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #184 on: June 16, 2009, 11:56:15 PM »
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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #185 on: June 20, 2009, 12:28:42 AM »
Hi.Today i did an experiment which was suggested to me by MoonSpySudio's.This was to fill my testube satellite with water and see if the two 6mm neo sphere's  could overcome the inertia and form a vortex.Here is a vid regards jonny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1m6gGvTbApY

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #186 on: June 20, 2009, 12:56:14 PM »
Hi.Today i did an experiment which was suggested to me by MoonSpySudio's.This was to fill my testube satellite with water and see if the two 6mm neo sphere's  could overcome the inertia and form a vortex.Here is a vid regards jonny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1m6gGvTbApY

Excellent!

Years ago I saw in a laboratory the way they used to mix ingredients on a large glass beak.
They put a magnet inside the glass with the ingredienst mixed with liquid and a motor with a rectangular iron bar was run under the glass beak and the ingredients were stirred and mixed thorougly.
With your setting it is easier and does not need to raise the beak on top of a stand in order to accomodate the motor under it.
Yours work with the coil at the side and no danger of getting caught on the rectangular iron bar of a motor.

Jesus

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #186 on: June 20, 2009, 12:56:14 PM »
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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #187 on: June 20, 2009, 07:21:54 PM »
Hi all . Glad you all are having good success . I on the other hand have given up .I cannot get a single magnet to spin at all . A rotor with 4 magnets spins great . I have tried three  different coils one has 5 wires . a 5 filar . the second was a trifilar and the third is a bifilare . none will spin a magnet by itself. I have tried ball magnets . rattle snake magnets . tube magnets . all diametrically magnetized . I have tried 12 volts all the way down to 1.2 volts .and every transistor from 2n3055 mps06 2n2222a all My germanium's . It wont work ! the only difference is i use a capacitor to store the extra charge and i also monitor that to see when the benini is working . It will produce plenty of voltage as long as the magnets spin on its own force but there is no repulsion upwards to keep it up and spinning .there is when a rotor whit magnets and a bearing wheel ,not with a single magnet .   So i will not be showing it on the earth Battery /Jt demo on th2  2 7th . / Dang . I would have bought one if some one could make one that works on 1.2 volts . Any one ? I now don't have the time to experiment anymore with it . The thing is i have 7 Bedinis . two run constantly OU and the rest are scattered in the PV Battery room and Golf cart and several other battery charging applications . . Bummer.I really wanted a Satellite Bedini . It would have been great exposure of Free energy as i have all the containers and coils and ball magnets . they wont spin either . Can some one wind me a coil that works for a price  ? I have everything else . I have had 0 sucess with a lidmotor coil i wound .I will Buy a COil ,Its proper core and the magnet that you use to spin on top of it . I need it kind of fast if there are any takers.

Gadget
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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #188 on: June 21, 2009, 03:02:50 AM »
Hi all . Glad you all are having good success . I on the other hand have given up .I cannot get a single magnet to spin at all . A rotor with 4 magnets spins great . I have tried three  different coils one has 5 wires . a 5 filar . the second was a trifilar and the third is a bifilare . none will spin a magnet by itself. I have tried ball magnets . rattle snake magnets . tube magnets . all diametrically magnetized . I have tried 12 volts all the way down to 1.2 volts .and every transistor from 2n3055 mps06 2n2222a all My germanium's . It wont work ! the only difference is i use a capacitor to store the extra charge and i also monitor that to see when the benini is working . It will produce plenty of voltage as long as the magnets spin on its own force but there is no repulsion upwards to keep it up and spinning .there is when a rotor whit magnets and a bearing wheel ,not with a single magnet .   So i will not be showing it on the earth Battery /Jt demo on th2  2 7th . / Dang . I would have bought one if some one could make one that works on 1.2 volts . Any one ? I now don't have the time to experiment anymore with it . The thing is i have 7 Bedinis . two run constantly OU and the rest are scattered in the PV Battery room and Golf cart and several other battery charging applications . . Bummer.I really wanted a Satellite Bedini . It would have been great exposure of Free energy as i have all the containers and coils and ball magnets . they wont spin either . Can some one wind me a coil that works for a price  ? I have everything else . I have had 0 sucess with a lidmotor coil i wound .I will Buy a COil ,Its proper core and the magnet that you use to spin on top of it . I need it kind of fast if there are any takers.

Gadget

@Gadget, did you try reversing one of the coils? Another thing is make sure your diode across the base/emitter junction is correct polarity and a good one. Those two things can be show stoppers. The circuit has to work, I even made it work with tubes!!!
Tonight I made an astounding discovery, ok, it's not astounding  :).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUBXmvCigBg

Dave

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #188 on: June 21, 2009, 03:02:50 AM »
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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #189 on: June 21, 2009, 04:01:41 AM »
@ Gadget:

Yes, I agree with Retrod 100%.  The Lidmotor coil and the basic circuit should be easy for you, considering what you have been able to do.  I have still not modded my circuit like Jonny's with the cap and relay but it works all the time, every time.

Tomorrow, I hope to replicate the plastic tube experiments as I found one.  I have dismantled my plate set-up and have removed my iron core form the coil.  I have a lot of catching up to do but, I want to try the high-speed turning of a single sphere and then the pair like Jonny has been doing.

I would have wound another coil but my local RS is out of mag. wire.  So, I have to make do with what I have.

Gadget, I would ship you one of my coils but, I agree with others that it is probably something simple that has been over-looked.  My first coil, I took painstaking measures to get just right, no overlaps.  It worked.  My second coil, I was in a hurry and it was not very neatly done but, it works as good as the first one.  Possibly you have a bad diode or other component....this does happen as you know.

Bill

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #190 on: June 21, 2009, 09:40:55 AM »
Hi.I was going to convert a solar garden lamp i have to a bedini motor which would just sit in my garden hopefully running for 24 hours a day so instead off winding a small coil i thought i would take a relay apart and use that coil with an extra winding wrapped on,anyway when i took the relay coil out of the relay,it had an 8mm hole where the core had been so i put the garden Bedini on hold and thought i would try it as a satellite.
At first,the 6mm neo sphere was not very stable inside the coil.It would spin around inside the hole but not smoothly and it would stop quite easy but the voltage it generated was high so I then filled the hole with water and plugged both ends.This had the effect of dampening the unwanted oscillations of the sphere in such a small hole and it then ran nice and stable.I had noticed that adding water as a damper to some other satellites i had been testing was benificial.
This satellite relay coil is producing 34volts DC.Here are some pics.
@Retrod.Hi Dave.That is a very interesting experiment you show.We should be able to think of a use for this.
@Pirate.Hi Bill.I am glad you are trying the satellites.You will have fun with these.Let us know how you get on.
@Gadget.I agree with the other guys.It is probably something like they suggest or it could be even something as simple as your pot settings.With the snake egg,I have to have my 10k pot set at zero ohms and my 1k pot at 1000 ohms to start and then all adjustment is with the 10k pot unless your running at real low volts/amps and then the 1k pot is needed.Also try it aircore.Have you got a pic of your setup?
Don't give up.You will get it going.Regards jonny.


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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #190 on: June 21, 2009, 09:40:55 AM »
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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #191 on: June 21, 2009, 02:00:20 PM »
Hi.I was going to convert a solar garden lamp i have to a bedini motor which would just sit in my garden hopefully running for 24 hours a day so instead off winding a small coil i thought i would take a relay apart and use that coil with an extra winding wrapped on,anyway when i took the relay coil out of the relay,it had an 8mm hole where the core had been so i put the garden Bedini on hold and thought i would try it as a satellite.
At first,the 6mm neo sphere was not very stable inside the coil.It would spin around inside the hole but not smoothly and it would stop quite easy but the voltage it generated was high so I then filled the hole with water and plugged both ends.This had the effect of dampening the unwanted oscillations of the sphere in such a small hole and it then ran nice and stable.I had noticed that adding water as a damper to some other satellites i had been testing was benificial.
This satellite relay coil is producing 34volts DC.Here are some pics.
@Retrod.Hi Dave.That is a very interesting experiment you show.We should be able to think of a use for this.
@Pirate.Hi Bill.I am glad you are trying the satellites.You will have fun with these.Let us know how you get on.
@Gadget.I agree with the other guys.It is probably something like they suggest or it could be even something as simple as your pot settings.With the snake egg,I have to have my 10k pot set at zero ohms and my 1k pot at 1000 ohms to start and then all adjustment is with the 10k pot unless your running at real low volts/amps and then the 1k pot is needed.Also try it aircore.Have you got a pic of your setup?
Don't give up.You will get it going.Regards jonny.

Why dont you use a sealed relay coil as the main self starter and add relay sealed pickup coils around it to harvest electricity without the need to spin a magnet to get the process started?

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #192 on: June 21, 2009, 04:33:53 PM »
@Gadget, did you try reversing one of the coils? Another thing is make sure your diode across the base/emitter junction is correct polarity and a good one. Those two things can be show stoppers. The circuit has to work, I even made it work with tubes!!!
Tonight I made an astounding discovery, ok, it's not astounding  :).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUBXmvCigBg

Dave
I check it all . I have build over 10 bedini's . these coils and circuits will work fine on a ROTOR  ,they wont work on one magnet . there is not enuff repulsion to hold a magnet up much less keep it spinning ? I want to buy one if someone is willing to make a coil that works .I have 100's of transistors and diodes  and lots of different relay coils and have reversed the trigger and coil wires turned it upside down sideways . three different coils . I give up on it I have wasted 5 straight days trying to do what jonny is doing . There is not enuff magnetic repulsion to stand a magnet up on my coils . even a lidmotor coil . . are you all using iron cores ? i know jonny and some other are not using nothing in the core . this dosnt make any sence as i can't see why the magnetic repulsion is so strong without a core. any core i have feeding 12 volts will just move a magnet a little bit straight 12 volts without a core ??
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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #193 on: June 21, 2009, 05:33:03 PM »
I check it all . I have build over 10 bedini's . these coils and circuits will work fine on a ROTOR  ,they wont work on one magnet . there is not enuff repulsion to hold a magnet up much less keep it spinning ? I want to buy one if someone is willing to make a coil that works .I have 100's of transistors and diodes  and lots of different relay coils and have reversed the trigger and coil wires turned it upside down sideways . three different coils . I give up on it I have wasted 5 straight days trying to do what jonny is doing . There is not enuff magnetic repulsion to stand a magnet up on my coils . even a lidmotor coil . . are you all using iron cores ? i know jonny and some other are not using nothing in the core . this dosnt make any sence as i can't see why the magnetic repulsion is so strong without a core. any core i have feeding 12 volts will just move a magnet a little bit straight 12 volts without a core ??
Gadget
@Gadget,
  Looks to me you've covered the basics. My coil is air core but it is unlike the others as it is a 500 ft spool of twisted pair telco frame hook-up wire (22 tin plated solid copper). Any wire jobber could provide such a coil 'pre made' so to speak. When I use my coil I have to give the magnet a good stong spin in the upright position, and then it builds up speed. My scope is out of service so I 'listen' to the circuit and coil with a small amplifier connected to an induction microphone, this is also good to use for some basic troubleshooting.

Dave

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #194 on: June 21, 2009, 06:26:30 PM »
@Gadgetmall:

I used welding rods at first and then noticed that it even works without them (aircore)

What magnet are you using ? Snake egg? Spheres? Cylinders?

It is key to give it a VERY fast initial spin so your hands are flying away off the strong jerk that you give it. Start with the lowest resistance setting on the pots (i sometimes have it literally to zero)
In my circuit it needs to have enough speed at first, so that the circuit can go sustain from there.
If i spin it too slowly then the ampdraw decreases to zero and the magnet stops.
But with 12 V it was easy to get it going, it will fly off the lid at that voltage once spinning.


What kept me from having an initial success i remember was that the magnet was too close to the core and got too much attraction from the metal to actually rotate. If you increase the distance it will work fine. In fact i got this working 2 feet away from the coil.

 

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