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Author Topic: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor  (Read 152204 times)

Offline jonnydavro

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2009, 11:21:22 AM »
@Lakes.No problem.The caps i used were 1000uf.Regards jonnydavro

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #16 on: April 16, 2009, 12:31:15 PM »
Jonny:

I really think you are on to something here.  My magnets have arrived and I will be attempting to replicate your device.  I have wound another lidmotor transformer coil identical to the one I am using on my Bedini.  Thanks for posting your schematics as I am sure that will help me.  As you know, I am also going to attempt the levitation experiment once/if I replicate your set-up.  Keep up your good work and experiments, you are an inspiration to a lot of us here.

Bill

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #17 on: April 16, 2009, 02:35:10 PM »
Hello,
nice to see that some more people are expressing interest in this stunning experiment that jonnydavro has come up with.

@brownsville:

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What is going on in the video?

Well i originally tried to restrict the movement by putting a cardboard-ring of approx 4cm diameter around the magnet. Then i came to the idea to slam some wire onto that ring to make use of the magnet´s motion like jonny has been trying with his pickup-coils.

So i have made an aircore coil using a 3,8 cm diameter cardboard-ring of some isolation tape and put
700-800 turns of AWG #32 copper wire on there (about 14 Layers, with each layer the number of turns you can put on there diminishes a bit, well and i suck at making coils hehe)

Then i connected the coil to a bridge rectifier and a 10uF/35V cap and measured the voltage.
First i put the ring around the magnet and got a reading of 5 Volts which was good already.
Then i put the aircore coil orthogonally next to the magnet and the reading went up to 20-22V !

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is the magnet needed at all or is the generation coming from the Bedini coil?

The magnet IS needed, the voltage reading in the video is mainly the induced voltage as a consequence of the magnet´s movement in the aircore-coil.
This setup has two purposes.
The first would be the normal Bedini application, where you charge a battery off the transistor´s collector with the radiant.
The second is to use the magnet´s motion to generate additional electricty and capture that.

Here i explain the way the aircore coil was made, if someone wants to replicate it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQdBIAR38_Q

Good Luck,
Xenomorph

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2009, 11:44:07 PM »
Hi.I have today tested the bemf recovery from the relay coil and also Xenomorph's aircore coil and can confirm his findings.I tested with both the angular spinning magnet and the verticle spinner and think the verticle spinner is the better of the two.The verticle spinner seems uneffected by the coil but the angular spinner slows down.Here is a video off the test.
Regards jonnydavro
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ywz0T8JNrs0

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #19 on: April 17, 2009, 12:03:09 AM »
Jonny:

Fantastic!  In theory, could you not add 1 or 2 more air core pick-up coils?  This is a lot of output man, good going. Xenomorph's coil idea is incredible.  I wonder if John Bedini has seen any of this yet?

Bill

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #20 on: April 17, 2009, 12:20:00 AM »
Hi Bill.I think you can add more pickup's quite easily and i will be doing exactly that to see.I was thinking about four in a square to start with.
Your right,The output of Xenomorph's aircore's is amazingly high and easy to make.I think this is the way to go with this setup.Regards  jonnydavro

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #21 on: April 18, 2009, 06:45:09 PM »
I have just finished a 2nd air-core pickup coil and it works great together with the first one.
Looks like the energy capturing of this setup is only limited by how many you coils can get close to the magnet  ;)

Video of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaY2Yalhris

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #22 on: April 18, 2009, 10:34:41 PM »
I have just finished a 2nd air-core pickup coil and it works great together with the first one.
Looks like the energy capturing of this setup is only limited by how many you coils can get close to the magnet  ;)

Video of it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaY2Yalhris


Hi,

Thanks for this nice video and would like you to put a relatively heavy load (like a 3V or a 6V or a 12V incandescent lamp of a few watts onto the pick up coils to see any Lenz law effect to develop or not?  I mean is there any input current increase when you put the loads onto the pickup coils.

Thanks,  Gyula

PS: Recently I wrote a suggestion to your Relay Switch Capacitor Experiment video because I think that setup still has some inherent secrets...  so whenever you have the time later please consider it.


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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #23 on: April 19, 2009, 01:30:07 PM »
@gyulasun :

Thanks for your input. You have been telepathically present with what i just tried to do.

I have connected a 1.5 V rechargable battery to see if it would charge and it does charge, BUT
like you assumed the magnet slows down, so i had to adjust the transistor input resistance.
I will test it with another load (lamp) like you said later.

I think the best way to make use of the pickup coils is to integrate them into a timed capacitor
discharge circuit, so the magnets movement wont be affected constantly but only for a short time frame when the cap is being discharged.
As long as the energy is being just put into capacitors without further loads, the magnet still spins fast.

I have responded to your comment concerning the relay switch capacitor experiment on the respective youtube page

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #24 on: April 19, 2009, 01:56:41 PM »
@gyulasun :
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I have connected a 1.5 V rechargable battery to see if it would charge and it does charge, BUT
like you assumed the magnet slows down, so i had to adjust the transistor input resistance.
I will test it with another load (lamp) like you said later.
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Hi,

Thanks for the infos,   you mean on adjusting the transistor input resistance as allowing a higher collector current to flow?
This would mean some more input power than was taken in the unloaded pick up coils case, you mean this, right?

Thanks for the comments also on your relay switch caapacitor video, will go there later.

Regards, Gyula

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #25 on: April 19, 2009, 08:25:31 PM »
Jonny:

I have not been able to successfully replicate your device as of yet.  I wired it up twice and still can not get or maintain rotation.  I am using an iron core now made up of nails (same as my Bedini) and Lidmotor's coil design (same as my Bedini).  Maybe I have to much resistance to the base?  I am using a 330 ohm base resistor and on my other Bedini I used 460.  I have a 5k pot in series with the base resistor.  I have tried moving my core from the top down in small increments to no avail.  My coil sings when I try to get the magnet to rotate but....no dice.  Any thoughts?  I am using 2 rechargeable 9v nicads so i should have enough juice.  Thanks.

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« Reply #26 on: April 19, 2009, 08:47:24 PM »
I have connected the 3rd aircore coil and put it into a cap that itself powers a 555 timing circuit.
The circuit runs unstable and keeps resetting itself probably due to the varying input voltage.
Once any of the coils is under load then the magnet slows down and the 10k pot resistance at the transistor base needs to be lowered allowing a higher base current to push the magnet harder.

So i conclude that putting a constant load behind the pickup coils is inefficient due to the increase in power consumption of the primary circuit.

Tapping off the energy from the caps once every 2 seconds or so with a timing cap discharge circuit will hopefully keep the magnets rotational speed up and still allow decent pickup-coil battery charging.

Now i need to find such a circuit that works with this application.

I am trying to get this to work (attachment):

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #27 on: April 19, 2009, 08:50:49 PM »
Bill: I have the same trouble starting the rotation. What helps me is to lower the 10k pot resistance to nearly zero, then there is enough power in the coil to kick the magnet. Once it is stable, turn the resistance up again or it will lift off  ;D
Hope that helps you

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #28 on: April 19, 2009, 09:03:40 PM »
@pirate.Hi Bill.Try Xenomorph's sugestion as mine is exactly the same and if no luck Can you try swapping the 380 for a 100ohm and use 2 variable resistors,a 1k and a 10k.Try this and we will go from there but we will get you going.
@Xenomorph.Those load tests show that mr lenz is alive and well so we will have to give some thought to the best way to utilise the coil outputs and i see you have already made a start.Nice.Regards jonnydavro

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Re: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor
« Reply #29 on: April 20, 2009, 12:17:14 AM »
I have connected the 3rd aircore coil and put it into a cap that itself powers a 555 timing circuit.
The circuit runs unstable and keeps resetting itself probably due to the varying input voltage.
Once any of the coils is under load then the magnet slows down and the 10k pot resistance at the transistor base needs to be lowered allowing a higher base current to push the magnet harder.

So i conclude that putting a constant load behind the pickup coils is inefficient due to the increase in power consumption of the primary circuit.

Tapping off the energy from the caps once every 2 seconds or so with a timing cap discharge circuit will hopefully keep the magnets rotational speed up and still allow decent pickup-coil battery charging.

Now i need to find such a circuit that works with this application.

I am trying to get this to work (attachment):

Hi,

Thanks for the update.  I agree with a periodic discharge of a puffer capacitor, this method surely presents a much less load to the main energy source: the battery feeding the transistor.

If you could obtain the CMOS version of the 555 timer like LMC555CN ( National Semiconductor) or TLC555 (Texas Instr.) then the current consumption of your above proposed circuit would drop from 8-9mA of the NE555 to under 1mA, this may also count. Also the resistor R3 (you show it as 100 Ohm) could be raised in value into a few  kOhm range, usually the opto diodes work with 5-10mA forward current, now the 100 Ohm forces about 100mA peaks from 12V. 
I mention these simply to economize on input power whereever it is possible.

rgds,  Gyula

 

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