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Title: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: AhuraMazda on March 19, 2009, 04:33:27 PM
Ok guys I am just thinking aloud.

Some of you like me have been around the block several times so you can  identify the pictures for yourself.
The pictures all point to the same phenomena.

 hope we can join the dots in the correct order.

I start by:

Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: AhuraMazda on March 19, 2009, 04:38:08 PM

@Wattsup

Your idea needs to be worked on.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=2535.msg163084#msg163084
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: AhuraMazda on March 19, 2009, 05:33:57 PM
It took me a long time to find this picture.

Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: EMdevices on March 19, 2009, 08:35:22 PM
great find AhuraMazda, thank you.  I've been very much interested in Lester Hendershot's work.  

Do you know why his coils have pegs in them?  I do  :)   

Regardless of what you might have heard,  it's a technique to increase the Q of the coil,  less capacitance between adjacent windings, that can rob the performance of the coil at high frequency.   But what do I know....

great picture,

EM
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Mannix on March 19, 2009, 09:58:34 PM
3 coils , one on top of the other, not interleaved
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: AhuraMazda on March 19, 2009, 11:00:10 PM
@Mannix
Think of all the man hours that we have collectively poured in to this and with no result.
If there was a TPU design in what has been said, Otto would have found it by now.
It is time for new thinking.
There is more than one way to skin the cat.
I will say that I don't have an answer now but things have been cooking in my head for a long time.
I got tired of sitting on the side lines and hoping someone else so, watch out overunity here I come!
I am trying to establish patterns to exsisting knowledge and what I recognise as relavant and let the reader be the judge.

At the moment my hunches are there is a connection between smith coil, Hendershot and the TPU ( and several other such devices where resonance at the cross sections of the wires play an important role.
Further symmetry seems to play an important role.

One thing that we may have overlooked is the presence of any redioactive material. Hendershot used to work in the nuclear industry for him would have been like any of us bringing home some solder from work!
In US Patent Application # 2007/0007844, Background section there is some pertinent information.

If anyone has any of these, please forward me a copy:

1) "Violation Of The Reciprocity Theorem In Linear Passive Electromechanical Systems" by Edwin McMillan, J. Acous. Soc. Am. (18), 344 (1946)

"Coordinates And The Reciprocity Theorem In Electromechanical Systems" by John W. Miles, J. Acous. Soc. Am. (19), 910 (1947)

2) "Reciprocal Relations In Irreversible Processes I, II" by Lars Onsager, Phys. Rev. (37) , pp. 405-426 (1931)

Some Aspects Of Onsager's Theory Of Reciprocal Relations In Irreversible Process" by H.B.G. Casimir, Nuovo Cimento Suppl. (6), pp. 227-231 (1949)

3) Electrolytic Condensers, by Philip Coursey, Chapman and Hall, 1937



Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: BEP on March 19, 2009, 11:11:03 PM
Do you know why his coils have pegs in them?  I do  :)   

Same reason the turns are each reversed on the outside coil on the small toroid?

Not only does it increase Q, if wound around a perpendicular wire core it will lower the resonance point of that core by a factor of outside turns / 2.... But only at the right frequency and with the correct spacing of the outer winds.

<Edit>Didn't Hendershot use copper strapping as the core?</Edit> Forget this. I was thinking of another power converter.


Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: EMdevices on March 19, 2009, 11:14:41 PM
all right,  glad to see you all exicted and fired up Ahura,  I'll be checking out ref #1, very interesting.


Also, here's something, an excerpt about the Hendershot "motor" or generator:

The second model is built around a ring magnet, the outside diameter of which is seven inches and the inside diameter six inches.

sounds like SMs TPUs doesn't it?

It can be found at this link:  http://fuel-efficient-vehicles.org/FEV-dark-energy-generators-2.php


You are so right, most of these devices do seem to be related.  I hope they are but I always try to be cautious and treat each one differently.  Hendershot's picture above is perhaps another form of his invention.

another invention that seems to not require tunning but is along the same lines of magnetic energy capture (or involves magnets) is the invention of Roy Meyers, very interesting but a bit different in construction, but could be tapping the same energies perhaps.  http://www.rexresearch.com/meyers/meyers.htm

Nobody doubts there's energy in all forms and shapes all around us, We don't need lenghty books on cosmic energy, etc..., it's accepted there's energy  in all frequencies spaning the spectrum, the trick is to realy design the receiver.

EM

Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: AhuraMazda on March 19, 2009, 11:58:35 PM

.......t can be found at this link:  http://fuel-efficient-vehicles.org/FEV-dark-energy-generators-2.php


@EM
Thanks for the link. This comment should make mannix happy "Works On Principle Of Compass"!

I have read R.J Meyers notes and as interesting as they are, they are not in the same category as the ones I have
mentioned.

Hoopers work may also be relavent but I am not sure right now.

I don't want to derail my own thread but here is a link to an interesting document on Hendershots motor from borderland: http://www.scribd.com/doc/95105/The-Hendershot-Motor-Mystery


Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: gyulasun on March 20, 2009, 12:15:14 AM


Do you know why his coils have pegs in them?  I do  :)   


Hi,

Pegs help in the winding process to keep the shape of the basket coils.

Here are some good links:   http://www.vk2zay.net/article/188

                                         http://www.svensons.com/Energy/hendershot2.html

                                         http://www.crystalradio.net/winder/index.shtml

                                         http://www.schmarder.com/radios/crystal/23.htm

rgds,  Gyula                               
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: wattsup on March 20, 2009, 01:24:12 AM
@AhuraMazda

That is a great Hendershot photo and I am surprised to see regular transformers. Could they be specific audio type transformers.

Things are really really crazy. Just last night I was thinking of putting a metal cylinder inside this new build I made a few days ago and started testing. Then I see your photo of Hendershot and look what's inside the rings. It looks like metal cans. Could the metal can reflect the outer pulses back onto the coil to give a double shot. One from the vertical and one from the vertical reflecting back. Could this be the shadow effect?????????

This new build is a 12 vertical on a 12 loop.
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: AhuraMazda on March 20, 2009, 03:45:44 AM
@Wattsup,
I want to do exactly what you have built in your current picture but, with a lot more precission. Basically you join the red wires ( in series / parrallel or combination) then you pulse them. DC pulses? sinosoidal or square pulses? You are trying to setup standing waves corresponding to the gap between the nodes are. If you were to squeeze the water hose, you would not squeeze the same point so, there should be a bit of slip.

I am sorry about my Stan Meyer style technical speech. it is 3 AM here!
I wish you success.
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: otto on March 20, 2009, 06:44:18 AM
Hello all,

guys, dont complicate the TPU!!!

The control coils are ONLY to control the TPU so it cant go out of control!!! Forget the control coils until your TPU is going into a runaway. THEN and only then you need the control coils.

Concentrate more on the collectors and CORES. This is  1 of the important parts of a TPU.

You all should know that when you pulse the collectors you can light a bulb without any problems. So why to f...k with controls? They are wound like oridinary coils, nothing special.

I will give you an idea how the controls are working:

the most of you have cars. Youre driving this car at a certain speed. Now imagine you have to slow down. Look behind the cars wheel. Isnt there a disc? Isnt there a brake? Good enough for a car.

A TPU is a "disc". The controls "wound all around" are the brakes. Why have we to wind our TPU brakes all around?
Because we are working with very high accelerated particles (very fast car) and this is the best solution to slow down this  particles inside a TPU.

And the best solution are controls wound in a classic way, to say so.

Have you ever pulsed only collectors and measured the current from your power supply?
Have you then connected the controls to the collectors and then pulsed them? Measured the current?

Of course, if you pulse controls + collectors, the current from your power supply is bigger. Why??

Not because of the bigger wires resistance. NO! Control coils are extremly short.

Its because you have mixed apples and bananas, ha,ha.

You have mixed the horizontal flow of the particles in the collectors and the vertical fow of them in the controls. They are fighting. This fight causes a dramatically current rise from the power supply. The particles in the controls want to accelerate and you are slowing them down with the vertical particles from the controls. So, the end result is in a dramatical current rise fron the power supply.

Now the question about core or not core.

First give me a patent for a device like a TPU, or a generator or......without a core. Show me 1 of the "big brains" that didnt use a core inside his device. Tesla, Bearden in his MEG,......

Now find the analogy about cores from SM. Didnt he say something about a  iron car motor, that a Aluminium motor is better.....my memory is really not the best.

Heeeey, with a core I have much more energy, to say so, in my coils, a core doesnt slow down my particles, the current from the power supply doesnt rise.......so why not a core??

And not to forget, my core is the connection to the ....hmmmm.....aether or surrounding "aer" or the cosmic rays, or, or....call it how you want.

Do you see that I didnt mention tubes?? Im still waiting for a rectifier tube from Germany. A 5U4 tube.

But tubes are a special story for really bright people. I mean for people who can think outside the "box".

Otto

Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: AhuraMazda on March 20, 2009, 01:02:45 PM
Hello Otto
Thank you for all your information. Do you have a picture or schematic of your latest TPU design?
The point with all this development is to design a device that would generate electricity on it's own.
I know that you have done a lot of work with different configurations of coils and have a lot of fun doing it
but still the big question is outstaning and that is does your coil self sustain and produce additional power?

There are many 5U4 tubes if your German supplier fails.

Regards

AM

Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: otto on March 20, 2009, 01:48:21 PM
Hello all,

@AM

I have a lot of informations but I dont think the people here are open minded enough ....never mind.

no, I dont have a self runner, not in this moment. A self running TPU would mean that such a device is working near a runaway point and we have the knowledge to control it. Its no a problem to get into a runaway. Its not a problem to blow the equipment. Its a biiiig problem to control the beast!!! 

As Im waiting for my 5U4 tube Im playing with my TPU and my life. The recitifier 5U4 tube is needed to get a DC high voltage mixed with an AC voltage mixed inside this tube. Then this voltage stepped up to maybe 20kV. How else to ger such a voltage??

Yes, a little step up transformer......I know it but......tubes are in this moment a MUST. Not because of fine and clean signals. F..k them. I have now perfect clean signals without tubes. Made just with SS!! The vacuum tube is the best known "connection device" between the aether, the surrounding energy, the.....and a TPU!!!

Not so easy for me to explain. A tube is like an antenna for radiant energy. Somehow it recieves the high frequency particles from the outside and then converts them to a lower frequency, higher energy .....

The same is doing a "CORE" in a TPU. It recieves particles from the surrounding and when you have luck or knowledge to vibrate this surrounding....

Sounds like an idiot is out of control....

No, I dont drink. Have a nice weekend.

Otto





Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: wattsup on March 20, 2009, 02:16:26 PM
@otto

I only have one long question.

1. You know that when I talk about any of the TPU's I will always refer specifically to parts of the device itself. So my question is if we take the FTPU as an example what do you mean when you say the word "core".

Mutiple choices.
A. The top and bottom outer coil
B. The top and bottom outer ring
C. The center toroid
D. Something else in the FTPU? What?
E. None of the above. You are referring to the later donut type TPUs (STPU, 6TPU, MTPU, LTPU) and the core is the material used as the soft filling in the outer ring.

That's the only question because everything else I understand "very well". lol

Keep well.
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: otto on March 20, 2009, 02:24:33 PM
Hello all,

@wattsup

I made a 15" TPU.

The core is a copper pipe 12mm = 1/2" in diameter and the diameter of the core is exactly 15". I have 2 cores stacked.

On 1 core is a collector made with lamp wire tuned to 245kHz and the other core has also a lamp wire tuned to 35kHz. Both collectors connected in a Mobius way. No need for controls as I alreday posted today.

Otto

PS. More if needed on Monday. Its TPU time. Ciao.
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: MACEDONIA CD on March 20, 2009, 03:51:43 PM
HELOO TO ALL 

I LIKE TO SAY
  FOR DONIG AND MAKE   TPU

I THING IS IMPORTANT HOW IS MAKE COLECTORS COILS OR <RECIVERS COILS  <<

otto is  has raid to say that control coil is not very important  <only pick up coils> ;)
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: EMdevices on March 20, 2009, 04:29:26 PM
I understand the need for most people to trust in what SM has said through his correspondence to Lindsay,  But.........


He is not disclosing much as he promised, and he just puts out ideas to get people experimenting etc.., but there are a few quite reavealing statements from him, if you know what he knows.


The simplest truths about the TPU come from the video where he simply says,   to tune into a frequency that exists in the magnetic field,  NOT the electric, the magnetic. 

-right away a smart person realizes the fact that that's why his devices look like loops of coil and not dipole antennas,

-right away a smart person realizes that larger TPU areas, or diameters, allow capture of more current from a oscillating magnetic field, which is what we see in the videos,

some of you might not like to hear this, and I can understand, but the reality is, most are taking out of context what SM has said !!

Yes we can play with tubes, kicks, PC boards, transformers, etc.., but these were just stories from SM on how he came to think, and where he arived,  and where did he arrive?   

you guessed it,  AT TUNNING INTO A MAGNETIC FREQUENCY !.

So how do we tune?

Well that's the whole trick of the TPUs.  Here's some of my educated ideas:

How you tune might range from the simple concepts to the more complex ones, for example, a modern radio might use the superheterodyne principle, where one has to have a stable local oscillator and a nonlinear device for mixing the received signal, from the antenna or loop, with the local oscillator signal, and perhaps SMs device, like he says, does just that, where his antenna element is the basic loop and it's driven by low frequency (kHz range) magnetic induction.

The best solutions for the TPU in my mind are the following:

1)  parametric oscillation where the driving signal is the oscillating magnetic field that modulates the inductance of a magnetic core, much like the magnetic amplifyers used in specialty high power equipment, the energy comes from the driving magnetic force at twice the frequency of the tank resonance.

2)  high Q resonators to build up the received voltage as high as possible, and these can have different forms
  2a)   LC tank circuits built with inductors and capacitors with special attention for high Q design.
  2b)   equivalent LC tank circuits where the properties of piezzo crystals are used  (like in crystal oscillators where series resonance might be used)
  2c)  mechanical resonators driven by loop signals, and judging my TPU desings,  the magnetostricion phenomena seems to be the coupling, or tranducing phenomena from electrical signals to acoustic vibrations and the resulting acoustic standing waves in the wire, be it longitudinal (compressive acoustic waves) or torsional acoustic waves (Weidemann phenomena)
  2d) other novel phenomena, etc..

3) A mixing device, built with magnetic cores that are almost saturated and hence NONLINEAR.  Hendershots device might have fit into this category from some of the stuff I read (not his later two coil setup seen in the photo)
  3a)  with a mixing device, energy is input at one frequency and mixes with the true signal that would be higher in frequency (or lower) and shifts it down (or up).   The energy would come from both the input signal AND the received signal,  so this might appear to be OVERUNITY if one does not understand what is happening.
  3b) this is a new novel mixing AND high Q filtering/tunning idea that I've discoverd from my patent searches.  It is the idea of using the lorenthz force phenomena.  Let me illustate.  Imagine you have a conductive ring.  Now, if there's an external oscillating magnetic field with a component normal to the plane of the ring, it will induce currents in this one turn closed loop ring, big deal, you won't even feel a thing unless the magnetic field is HUGE.  But if it's small the only way to realy tell something is happening is to bring it close to an oscillating circuit and you will realize how it kills the oscillations,  we have effectively brough a loaded primary loop and formed a transformer that's shorted on the output (stepdown transformer in this case, and we are increasing the magnetic coupling , or 'K' as we bring it closer)   Ok, so what? what is this closed ring good for?   Here's where things get interesting.   The ring happens to also be resonant at ACOUSTIC frequecies (or mechanical vibratory modes), so if we have a signal high in frequency, like let's say 100 kHz, how can we use the mechanical vibratory modes which might be at 1 kHz or lower and are not even the same physical phenomena (electromagnetic vs. acoustic/mechanical vibration)?  Well, we know these lower vibratory modes are high Q, and that's what we want, but our signal is just not where it's supposed to be in frequency, but there's hope.    If we place a magnetic field transverse to the ring, and modulate it,  by the lorentz force equation in the general form of  F = I x B, where F = force, I=current induced by the external oscillating magnetic field, and B=local magnetic field that's modulated,  you can see we aready have the IDEAL MIXER, which is basicaly the MULTIPLICATION function.   These type of ideal mixers are actualy a hot topic of research in certain circles, very little info on the web. They basicaly are ideal and transduce the electrical signals at the same time, directly into mechanical vibratory signals, or frequencies.  So two functions happen at once, Mixing and transduction (or change from one form to another, in this case, from electromagnetic to mechanical)  Now,  hopefully you can see that we can mix (or multiply) the signals together and by the nature of the mixing (or multiplicaiton) function, we shift signals in frequency(check out mixing theory on the web),  so we pick the right local oscillating frequency to modulate the local magnetic field (B in the equation) and we tune just right, and when one of the mixing products  (or resultant down converted frequency) lands on the resonant mode of the ring, wallaaaaa,.... the ring will "ring" like crazy !!  i.e.,   it will VIBRATE !!!! with a high Q.     I think most people can take it from here and know how to use a vibration to generate electricity from it.  This vibration once again, is a biproduct of the

1)  LOCAL OSCILLTOR INPUT POWER
2)  RECEIVED SIGNAL POWER,

due to the high Q nature of this resonant lorentz force ideal mixer, we can get a nice powerful output signal.

So anyway, this is another hot topic, and quite a possibility in this category of TPUs.  The open TPU comes to mind when I think of these concepts.

But one thing is clear in my mind, and you can guess what that is,  the energy has to come from somewhere, and after seeing the power lines by his mansion, I don't care what anybody says that's where the power MOST LIKELY comes from.  We can agree to disagree here, but that's my stance for now untill proven otherwise.

Good luck on your receiver designs, whatever shape and form they may be !

Energy is just waiting for you to capture it and put it to use !!

EM
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: AhuraMazda on March 20, 2009, 04:42:32 PM
@Otto
It is nice to hear about your successes. I have worked on many projects for many years. One thing you learn in all these projects is that no one knows everything and different people are good at different things.

Do you have a picture of your latest TPU?

Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: giantkiller on March 20, 2009, 05:13:40 PM
I understand the need for most people to trust in what SM has said through his correspondence to Lindsay,  But.........


He is not disclosing much as he promised, and he just puts out ideas to get people experimenting etc.., but there are a few quite reavealing statements from him, if you know what he knows.


The simplest truths about the TPU come from the video where he simply says,   to tune into a frequency that exists in the magnetic field,  NOT the electric, the magnetic. 

-right away a smart person realizes the fact that that's why his devices look like loops of coil and not dipole antennas,

-right away a smart person realizes that larger TPU areas, or diameters, allow capture of more current from a oscillating magnetic field, which is what we see in the videos,

some of you might not like to hear this, and I can understand, but the reality is, most are taking out of context what SM has said !!

Yes we can play with tubes, kicks, PC boards, transformers, etc.., but these were just stories from SM on how he came to think, and where he arived,  and where did he arrive?   

you guessed it,  AT TUNNING INTO A MAGNETIC FREQUENCY !.

So how do we tune?

Well that's the whole trick of the TPUs.  Here's some of my educated ideas:

How you tune might range from the simple concepts to the more complex ones, for example, a modern radio might use the superheterodyne principle, where one has to have a stable local oscillator and a nonlinear device for mixing the received signal, from the antenna or loop, with the local oscillator signal, and perhaps SMs device, like he says, does just that, where his antenna element is the basic loop and it's driven by low frequency (kHz range) magnetic induction.

The best solutions for the TPU in my mind are the following:

1)  parametric oscillation where the driving signal is the oscillating magnetic field that modulates the inductance of a magnetic core, much like the magnetic amplifyers used in specialty high power equipment, the energy comes from the driving magnetic force at twice the frequency of the tank resonance.

2)  high Q resonators to build up the received voltage as high as possible, and these can have different forms
  2a)   LC tank circuits built with inductors and capacitors with special attention for high Q design.
  2b)   equivalent LC tank circuits where the properties of piezzo crystals are used  (like in crystal oscillators where series resonance might be used)
  2c)  mechanical resonators driven by loop signals, and judging my TPU desings,  the magnetostricion phenomena seems to be the coupling, or tranducing phenomena from electrical signals to acoustic vibrations and the resulting acoustic standing waves in the wire, be it longitudinal (compressive acoustic waves) or torsional acoustic waves (Weidemann phenomena)
  2d) other novel phenomena, etc..

3) A mixing device, built with magnetic cores that are almost saturated and hence NONLINEAR.  Hendershots device might have fit into this category from some of the stuff I read (not his later two coil setup seen in the photo)
  3a)  with a mixing device, energy is input at one frequency and mixes with the true signal that would be higher in frequency (or lower) and shifts it down (or up).   The energy would come from both the input signal AND the received signal,  so this might appear to be OVERUNITY if one does not understand what is happening.
  3b) this is a new novel mixing AND high Q filtering/tunning idea that I've discoverd from my patent searches.  It is the idea of using the lorenthz force phenomena.  Let me illustate.  Imagine you have a conductive ring.  Now, if there's an oscillating magnetic field it will induce currents in this one turn closed loop, big deal, you won't even feel a thing unless the magnetic field is HUGE.  But if it's small the only way to realy tell something is happening is to bring it close to an oscillating circuit and you will realize how it kills the oscillations,  we have effectively brough a loaded primary loop and formed a transformer that's shorted on the output (stepdown transformer in this case)   Ok, so what what is this closed ring good for?   Here's where things get interesting.   The ring happens to also be resonant at ACOUSTIC frequecies (or mechanical vibratory modes), so if we have a signal high in frequency like let's say 100 kHz, how can we use the mechanical vibratory modes which might be at 1 kHz or lower?  We know these lower vibratory modes are high Q, and that's what we want but our signal is just not where it's supposed to be in frequency, but there's hope.    If we place a magnetic field transverse to the ring, and modulate it,  by the lorentz force equation in the general form of  F = I x B, where F = force, I=current, and B=magnetic field that's modulated,  you can see we aready have the IDEAL MIXER, which is basicaly the MULTIPLICATION function.   These type of ideal mixers are actualy a hot topic of research in certain circles, very little info on the web.  Now,  you can see hopefully that we can now mix (or multiply) the signals together and by the nature of the mixing (or multiplicaiton) function, we shift signals in frequency,  so we pick the right local oscillating frequency to modulate the magnetic field and we tune just right and when one of the mixing products  (or resultant down converted frequency lands on the resonant mode of the ring, walaaaaa,.... the ring will ring like crazy,  it will VIBRATE !!!! with a high Q.     I think most people can take it from here and know how to use a vibration to generate electricity from it.  This vibration once again, is a biproduct of the

1)  LOCAL OSCILLTOR INPUT POWER
2)  RECEIVED SIGNAL POWER,

due to the high Q nature of this resonant lorentz force ideal mixer, we can get a nice powerful output signal.

So anyway, this is another hot topic, and quite a possibility in this category of TPUs.  The open TPU comes to mind when I think of these concepts.

But one thing is clear in my mind, and you can guess what that is,  the energy has to come from somewhere, and after seeing the power lines by his mansion, I don't care what anybody says that's where the power MOST LIKELY comes from.  We can agree to disagree here, but that's my stance for now untill proven otherwise.

Good luck on your receiver designs, whatever shape and form they may be !

Energy is just waiting for you to capture it and put it to use !!

EM

Eureka, buddy! Seen from the right angle, SM spoke the truth.
The range of listening is increased to KiloMeters just like an AM radio. Only we're are not interested in the noise(entertainment) on the magnetic field. We are grabbing or bending the field itself. The control is just that, to vary the impedance to diminish the listening area (Effective Aperature) of the coil. Leave it wide open and you flush the diamond ring down the toilet while you are still wearing it. :o

Wattsup posted this before and it was even posted many times before that over the years.
http://amasci.com/tesla/tesceive.html
This guy even says that your external ears transmit a field and receives the impinging on that distant field to your ear drum. The outer ear reports to the inner ear. Effective aperature, again.

The other example is Tesla's antennas have an oscillator in the base of them.

If any of you should not heed EMdevices post or read past this one then back away from the technology. You don't understand. :)

--giantkiller. My day has been made whole.
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: AhuraMazda on March 20, 2009, 05:23:41 PM
I

The simplest truths about the TPU come from the video where he simply says,   to tune into a frequency that exists in the magnetic field,  NOT the electric, the magnetic. 

.
.
.

TUNNING INTO A MAGNETIC FREQUENCY !.


@EM

As I don't think that the Earth has a magnetic frequency, If there is any frequency that SM tunes to, it would be a man made one so, I agree with you there however if the magnetic waves can be translated into electric wave by the miracle of TPU, why not tap into it!
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: EMdevices on March 20, 2009, 06:34:28 PM
@AM,

If you know this stuff, I appologize, but let me state the obvious for the sake of clarity. 

All fluctuating magnetic fields are paired with fluctuating electric fields !!
One drives the other and vice versa !!

these are the basics of electrodynamics, and that's what we are dealing with here.

You are correct, ultimately, we want a voltage at a terminal so we can plug our gadgets into it, but how we transform from some magnetic fluctuations around us to that voltage potential at the output of the TPU, is the trick and the science of Radio reception (but Radio is low power as we know, but it doesn't have to be).

regarding the "EARTH" magnetic fields,  there are NATURAL and MAN MADE fields, which can be static or dyanamic.  Obviously we are not able to extract energy from a static magnetic field (endlesly, more like a one time shot), and SM already mentions a dynamic or oscillating field at about 5 or 6 khz.  The static field isn't much use than for orientation and navigation.

Here's an important point.  Most people assume SM is implying the STATIC EARTH's Magnetic field, but that is incorrect, since he mentions an INHERENT FREQUENCY of it.   He should of said, the magnetic field around me, or in my house, or in this city, or in my country, but when you go all the way out and say the EARTH,  somehow we miss the fact that he's talking about a frequency and jump to a conclusion that it's the magnetic field of the earth, in it's trues meaning, which is static.  I admit, that's what my mind wants to interpret when I hear the words MAGNETIC FIELD associated with the word EARTH.

EM

P.S.  In a philosophical sense,  all the frequencies around us are EARTHLY, since we obviously don't live on MARS or some other place.  Their origin however might not be so earthly.

P.S.  People praise Nathan Stubblefield  as the earliest WIRELESS TELEPHONE inventor (according to some websites , e.g. sir Bronson) but modern phones work on electromagnetic waves which PROPAGATE, his devices were mostly low frequency (in fact, base band audio) which were INDUCTIVELY COUPLED from suspended cables, much like we (or I should say,)  I am trying to do from POWER LINES.  These have such a large wavelength that we can't say we are coupling with them by propagation, sice we are in the inductive NEAR FIELD.
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: EMdevices on March 20, 2009, 06:52:19 PM
@GK, thanks for the afirmation.  We have to get as wide an aperture as we practicaly can, absolutely, and you know what resonance does when all other physical parameters have been maximized. creates and EFFECTIVE aperture that can be way larger then the physical dimentions.  There goes that dimond ring !!

EM
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: exxcomm0n on March 20, 2009, 08:42:25 PM
Hi all,

<WARNING>
I have little electronics knowledge and the following is probably just NOISE, but I just had a small (and probably false) epiphany sparked by some things I had read in another thread likening the TPU to Leedskalnin's perpetual motion holder and the posts in this thread page by otto and EM.
Many of the electrical and physics terms used below may be misused and please excuse my ignorance of proper terminology.
</WARNING>

In the Leedskalnin/TPU thread here on OU I think, the author (sorry, don't know who it was OTOH) was pointing out how the shape and the function of both devices are alike in that a stored current in motion generates energy.

The perpetual motion holder proves this (reportedly) by someone being able to measure the amount of electricity that it has captured without the the measurement decreasing the amount of stored energy.
This makes sense to me as I've always been taught an effect can't be measured without marginally depleting its source, and that is not supposed to happen when measuring the PMH.

The TPU (to my VERY limited understanding) is much like the perpetual motion holder in that it has a captured amount of energy traveling in a circular motion in the core, but with control coils around the core whose current will travel 90 degrees in relation to the captured current "braking" (thank you otto!) it, and a collector coil to harvest the aetheric/orgone/ZPE/etc. produced, also at 90 degrees to the circular captured current.

[The 90 degrees statements above are a radical oversimplification as controller current is traveling up/down at the same time it is moving at a linear 90 degree tangent.]

I've always wondered why the magnetic "B" area created by flowing electricity was never captured and harnessed in all electrical devices (this is a broad statement made from my very limited electronics understanding) and the post from EM (thank you EM!) kind of "gave words" to an idea that reinforces why I've wondered about that.

In my opinion (and this is ONLY an opinion!), you cannot divorce the two.

That's why when otto was explaining the control coils being a brake for the captured current, a little light went on that made me think,
"The captured current in the ring is moving in a circular direction creating a 'B' field. The current traveling the control coil is creating a 'B' field that is effectively choking the captured current in the core and (here is where it gets REALLY ignorant) slowing the captured current, and maybe even for an infinitesimal amount of time stopping that flow, dependent on the frequency of the control current.

The frequency of the control coil regulates the choking effect by lower frequency having less pulses and creating a 'B' field that the 'B' field of the captured current 'bumps into and slides past' effectively slowing the core current. The higher the frequency, the faster the rate of pulses and the smaller the area NOT containing the "B" field from the controls current creating a variable gate depending on frequency."

Then EM's post supported the above theory (to my limited understanding) to the point that the light bulb glowed bright and melted. ;)

In essence, thinking of the captured current in the core like a river flowing in a circular direction and the control coil(s) being a dam.
The frequency of the control coil regulates both the size and the placement of the "spillway" for the dam in the way that the spillway size (larger = less pressure, smaller = more pressure) and the spillway placement (top of the dam = less pressure, bottom of the dam = greater pressure) so it can effectively stop the captured current flow for a time.

But when pressure exceeds the the dams holding abilities, a crack appears that lets a jet of water (electrons?) escape at a much increased velocity to travel the circle and (BANG!) hits the mass (meaning large amount, not atomic) of dammed electrons held by the control coil(s) (dam).

This movement (BANG!) adds to the pressure behind the dam, but instead of the crack widening, it just adds that much more velocity to the next electron that escapes because while the electron is "stopped" by the mass of dammed electrons it runs into, the "B" field transfers its energy through the mass of electrons (like dropping the end ball of a kinetic sculpture with 5 suspended balls to see the middle 3 stay static, but the ball on the end react) to the next electron at the brink of escaping the crack.

This electron is kept straining at the gate since its magnetic field is captured by the magnetic field pulses in the control coil creating a gate that is just too small for it to escape until it has enough energy to temporarily deform its own, or the gates magnetic field and squeeze through.

When it does this, it helps to think of the electron having mass in the middle equal to the mass of the field corona, and that the middle mass is what gets effected by the pressure and the middle can travel within the field corona, but will naturally want to settle in the center of the field corona.

Since the middle is being "pushed" and it's relation to its own field corona it is offset from center (how much depends on gate size and mass pressure), and when it has enough energy to escape the gate it is at it's most offset to the center.

Think of a ball with a rubber band running through its center attached top and bottom to a hoop ring. If you pull the ball away from the hoop and then let go:

If the hoop ring is static, the ball goes through the ring to the other side the maximum amount the rubber bands will stretch in relation to the non-moving hoop, and then rebound to almost the place it was let go from, oscillating until centered and at rest.

If the hoop was not static (like the field corona being tied to the middle mass) the escaping electron starts at X velocity,
 and then is accelerated/amplified by the oscillations of the middle mass trying to recenter within the field corona and  that effect "sling shotting" it around the circle until it hits the mass at the dam.
[All the above assumes the electron only wants to travel in one direction. I don't know if that's the case or not.}
 
IF (again, I warn you that this is opinion ONLY) this is what occurs, then I'd liken the TPU to a gauss gun using only the magnetics created by traveling current, instead of PMs.

Each control coil is like the magnet/ball assembly of a crude gauss gun in that the electron is the ball, and the control coil is the magnet. The mass that is the ball/electron is stopped, but the velocity it had traveling to the place it was stopped is imparted (transferred) to the next traveling ball on the other end, while being amplified.

Wouldn't this be a convenient answer to the "kick" question? (At least what I understand of it.)

Could this be the reason for "runaways" and "meltdowns" since the motion is circular and the "ball" is always hitting another ball/magnet assembly amplifying it continually??

Please excuse me if this is an already postulated and well known theory, but it just struck me reading this thread and I had to write it down before the thought was gone.

@ otto

Your core/no core ideas above make me think of the core being to electricity what the magnifying glass is to sunlight in that both take a relatively "weak" incoherent energy and concentrate it into "stronger" coherent energy by focusing it.

Different materials give different results (intensities) because of what they do to the "B" field of the traveling current?
This makes me wonder if anyone has experimented with different core materials (copper, aluminum, and pure iron come to mind immediately) to change the speed or shape of the "B" field?

@ EM

Thanks again for reminding me to think of the magnetic/electronic relation as I have been stewing over it for sometime.
I was right with your post up until the last paragraph before your typing in bold, and then I was way out of my depth.

Thank you all for your indulgence and if you think any part of this might be an interesting experiment to try to prove, please do as I would probably injure myself or someone else if I attempted it with my present level of electrical knowledge. :D
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: giantkiller on March 20, 2009, 10:04:06 PM
The effective aperture has some matchup like 1/4 wave with the 5 or 6khz pertaining to the circumference of Earth.
This idea was posted by, I believe Sparks a while back. Can't find it.

But here are some numbers:
5khz = 2,356,992 inches per cycle @ 1/4 wave = 589248" or 49,104' or 9.30 miles
6khz = 1,964,160 inches per cycle @ 1/4 wave = 491040" or 40,920' or 7.75 miles

With the Earth vertical circumference of 24,859.82
1/4 cycle of 5khz fits 2673.09 times
1/4 cycle of 6khz fits 3207.71 times

Just cranking out numbers.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: ramset on March 21, 2009, 12:25:48 AM
Gk
Your lab technicians seem quite focused,you are most fortunate!!
Chet
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: giantkiller on March 21, 2009, 03:08:18 AM
Gk
Your lab technicians seem quite focused,you are most fortunate!!
Chet

They were on the project first and called me when they needed a mouse. Ar Ar. ;D
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: MACEDONIA CD on March 21, 2009, 12:21:01 PM
heloo

AGAIN NOBODY DONT LIKE TO READ WHAT IM TRAED TO SAY

OK COLECTOR  OR PICK UP COIL OR  RECIVERS COILS  ARE  VERY IMPORTANT 

MAST BE  MAKE  PERFECKT AND TUNE COILS  TO HAVE THAT ENERGY 
IF YOU DONT MAKE PROPERLY NEVER YOU WHILL MAKE  <,THAT IS  SURE >.

 OK I KNOW NOBODY LISTEN ME  BUT ONE DAY  WHILL CAME  THIS  WORDS  <,AND YOU WHILL SAY >>


THE <MACEDONIA CD  >>IS SAYING THE TRUE 
NO PROBLEM 
I BE WAITING  TO SAY
THE PURE GAY FROM MACEDONIA  IS TELL THE TRUE

NOW I LIKE TO POINT EXSACTLY WHAT  YOU MAST DOING IN FUTURE  WHEN YOU MAKES EXPERIMENTS 
TUNE AND  COLECTORS ,OR PICKUP COILS  OR RECIVERS COILS

THIS 3 TYPE  OF WORDS  IS MEAN THE SAME THING
IS DEPEND  WHAT YOU WHILL BE PUT  IN YOU CONTROL COIL 
<@GK
<@ALL

I STILL FORGET MY <CAPS LOCK > AGAIN   SORY  ;)
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: AhuraMazda on March 21, 2009, 02:18:23 PM
Sadly my brain has over heated after I read this document:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/13491267/Some-Free-Energy-Devices-eBook
(EM you don't want to miss this)

In it, it said that Hendershot had said what gave him the idea was the "earth induction compass" as used by Lindenberg in his historical flight. As usual all these comments seem to be hear say.

My further reading led me to pattent USRE21156 by Henry D Oakley. I am trying to work out what was powering his device. Some of theses compasses were made for planes and used the flow of external air to power them.

Although this post about Hendershot generator, my focus is still the TPU.
I am not discounting anything and thank every one of you for all your comments and GKs assistants!

In his demonstrations, SM always commented on the diameter of his coils I used to think that is something odd to mention . Reading Some-Free-Energy-Devices-eBook I think there might be a connection.

@exxcomm0n, thanks for your input. Wellcome.

Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: giantkiller on March 21, 2009, 03:51:58 PM
Add an microwatt oscillator to EM's coil that matches the LC resonance (High Q) of the tank circuit to increase the effective aperture and the LED will be brighter. The Loop also will not be so finnicky in position except still horizontal, of course.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: dankie on March 21, 2009, 05:35:18 PM
That coil makes me laugh everything I see it . But what I dont understand is why you people dont laugh at yourselves instead of taking yourselves seriously .

Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Yucca on March 21, 2009, 05:41:17 PM
You people are saints, a tribute to the OU movement.

The TPU makes me feel hopeful everytime I see it.
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: tak22 on March 21, 2009, 06:27:33 PM
OK dankie, you seem to be craving some attention  ???

While it may be fun for you to call people idiots for pursuing their 'not bothering anyone' interests, let's instead
hear what OU pursuits that you feel are more worthy? I'm always interested in what is either promising or what
contains transferable knowledge.

Constructive/destructive, it's a simple choice every time.

tak
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Magnon on March 21, 2009, 11:49:27 PM
´´The simplest truths about the TPU come from the video where he simply says,   to tune into a frequency that exists in the magnetic field,  NOT the electric, the magnetic.

-right away a smart person realizes the fact that that's why his devices look like loops of coil and not dipole antennas,

-right away a smart person realizes that larger TPU areas, or diameters, allow capture of more current from a oscillating magnetic field, which is what we see in the videos,

some of you might not like to hear this, and I can understand, but the reality is, most are taking out of context what SM has said !!

Yes we can play with tubes, kicks, PC boards, transformers, etc.., but these were just stories from SM on how he came to think, and where he arived,  and where did he arrive?   

you guessed it,  AT TUNNING INTO A MAGNETIC FREQUENCY !.


Yes, you have to first understand the magnetism at quantum level in general; the magnetism arises because of the parallel aligned electron spin precession axes in between two pieces.
The frequency of electon spin precession depends on external  applied magnetic field.
Because of the relatively slow acoustic wave speed the wavelenght it is slow compared to speed of light in a medium. Therefore it is easy to do a system, where acoustic wavelenght is equal with a speed of light travelling waves. This makes the energy transmission possible in between different energy modes.
But..if we can compress the energy average level, then the situation is very different. Depending of of the compression / pressure decrease level we can have a repulsive / attraction force to objects nearby.
I mean SM means the electron ESR frequency in a  applied extenal magnetic field and energy transfer between acoustic wave in a core.

--Magnon




Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: MACEDONIA CD on March 22, 2009, 12:27:58 AM
yes  magnet fild TUNE  that i was read long time  of some old mesage from <s.m

is say  <,if is magnet fild or elktromagnet fild is  very very  small is not mathere  BUT SPEED like  gun shuting  that is ok there is energy  <BUT >YOU HAVE THEN SERIOSE PROBLEM >>
HOW TO TUNE  OR HOW TO PICK UP THIS SPEED  TO YOUR RECIVER COILS
<HMMMMMMM>>

AGAIN  COLECTORS IS IMPORTANT
I SEE  ALL TIME THE  <OU> TPU  IS BAD RECIVERS  <<
IF SOME BODY HERE  IS KNOW WHAT IM SAY THEN WHILL BE EASY FOR HIM TO MAKE 

IS SIMPLE

SOME  THING I SAY <<HERE  IN OU.   TPU  ALL  CONTROL COILS OR  INPUT COILS  GENERATORS  OR  I DONT KNOW HOW TO  GIVE THE NAMES  FOR THIS ....

IS OK

EVERY INPUT GENERATORS COILS  ,,OR CONTROL COILS  IS OK

ALL PROBLEM IS  I  IIIIIIIIIIIII  IS TUNE IN RAID  STATION  LIKE RADIO TUNERS 

IS NOT MATHER THAT WHILL BE <<high frek. genrators or low frek. generator that is no mathere
if you tune then  whill be  be  ok 
@ALL 
THAT IS  SO EXPLANE  AND TO MUCSH  WORDS FROM ME   NOW I DONT KNOW  HOW TO EXPLANE AND WHAT TO TELL HOW IS EASY

PUT YOUr recivers in raid stations 
then whill be mucsh easy  ;)
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: AhuraMazda on March 22, 2009, 12:58:44 AM
@Magnon,
I hope you read my earlier post:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7046.msg164954#msg164954

There are big implications in the documents I mentioned only I am looking for confirmations from
other people.

@macadena, I am glad you got your keyboard fixed!
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: MACEDONIA CD on March 22, 2009, 01:13:52 AM
THANKS FOR YOU KIND WORDS  WOR MY KEYBOARD  NOW I KNOW HOW LIKES ME TO READ MY STUFF
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: AhuraMazda on March 22, 2009, 01:33:54 AM
@Mac
Looks like it is broke again! If you fix the keyboard, I am sure you will have no problem with the TPU!
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: MACEDONIA CD on March 22, 2009, 01:46:29 AM
@AHURA MAZDA
HEY I HAVE NO PROBLEM WHIT NO ENY KIND OF MY <TPU> OR POWER GENRATORS WHIT NO MOVING PARTS
IF ENY BODY LIKES TO  HAVE SOME STRANGE THINGS FROM ME IM HERE  I WAIT  THE  MY PHONE IS OPEN   FOR ASK ING I WHILL TELL  TO THAT POINT THAT I MAST TO ANSFER NO MORE THEN  BORDER  I GIVE AND I WHILL SEND TO MY BORDER THEN YOU WHILL BE ALONE  TO CROSING  ALONE THAT BORDER <LETS PLAY  WHIT  YOU R ASKING NO PROBLEM
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: MACEDONIA CD on March 22, 2009, 02:01:24 AM
I GIVE SIMPLE  ONE FORMULA
  FOR WHAT IS MEAN IN TRUE  WHAT IS ENRGY  OF LEKTRYCYTY

<<IF YOU WHANT SOME ENRGY FROM ELKTRYCYTY  IS NEDD THIS  AND ALLWAYS YOU NEED  TWO INPUT ENRGY ALLWAYS  TWO INPUT


THAT TWO INPUT ENRGY  IS <<ELKTROMAGNET FILD OR MAGNET FILD 
                                              << AND SPEED  OF THAT ELKTROMAGNET OR MAGNET FILD

AND FINALY  IF YOU ARE INCREASING ENY KIND OF THIS TWO INPUT SOURCE ENRGY   YOU WHILL HAVE ALL WAY MORE OUT ENERGY THAT IS  MATHERE  ANSFER OF THATA


I ASK YOU WHAT YOU NEED  FOR GET MORE  OUT ENERGY

TO INCREASING THE FILD   ,,,OR  SPEDD  WHAT IS EASY FOR YOU
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Magnon on March 22, 2009, 02:41:35 PM
@Magnon,
I hope you read my earlier post:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7046.msg164954#msg164954

There are big implications in the documents I mentioned only I am looking for confirmations from
other people.

@macadena, I am glad you got your keyboard fixed!

Thank you for the link, i found it is very very interesting. :)

Especially Lakhovsky transformer, i did not know about that before. See image No 36, this is just what i have been trying to tell about.
Have you used / tested the TPU Excel calculator, that is available in Acoustomagnetic TPU / SEG calculation model thread in this forum? The idea is to use prime numbers of wavelenghts around the core, this way we can create a stable nested EM pattern around the TPU, because there are not subharmonics frequensies at all that can form EM fields in a wrong places between nested EM fields.
This same phenomena is measured by Roschin & Godin in their SEG replication.
Now we have two different devices that uses this effect, and i am sure that TPU uses this phenomena also.



--Magnon
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: giantkiller on March 23, 2009, 12:11:21 AM
Sadly my brain has over heated after I read this document:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/13491267/Some-Free-Energy-Devices-eBook
(EM you don't want to miss this)

In it, it said that Hendershot had said what gave him the idea was the "earth induction compass" as used by Lindenberg in his historical flight. As usual all these comments seem to be hear say.

My further reading led me to pattent USRE21156 by Henry D Oakley. I am trying to work out what was powering his device. Some of theses compasses were made for planes and used the flow of external air to power them.

Although this post about Hendershot generator, my focus is still the TPU.
I am not discounting anything and thank every one of you for all your comments and GKs assistants!

In his demonstrations, SM always commented on the diameter of his coils I used to think that is something odd to mention . Reading Some-Free-Energy-Devices-eBook I think there might be a connection.

@exxcomm0n, thanks for your input. Wellcome.



They match speaker diameters.
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: wattsup on March 23, 2009, 04:55:30 AM
Hmmmmmmm. Lots of good posts.

I have a question. I have been pulsing a lot of my devices but have not figured out something that is critical and hopefully someone can clarify this for me. It is an electronics question but instead of looking at the TPU from the power production to the output, I want to look at it from the output to the power production or work backwards.

OK, let's say I wanted to build a TPU that will produce 120 volts dc or ac at 1 amp, I don't really care.

For the output of the tpu to support that kind of output and let's say the output is buffered using an output capacitor that has a value, well I don't know, let's say 20uf 240 volts, what does the production side have to produce.

May be a stupid question but here is what I mean.

a) Can I produce 1 volt 1 amp at least 120 times per second so that each volt will accumulate or add to the other volts in the capacitor up to 120 volts.

b) If not, can I produce 120 volts at .01 amps at least 120 times per second so that the amperage can accumulate inside the capacitor and get 1 amp. (or 1.2 amps)

c) Or is it only possible that the production side has to produce the 120 volts at 1 amp continuous into the capacitor/buffer to have it available as output.

Now in the case of the FTPU it was producing 60 volts but we do not know the amperage and I think after all my tests with similar rings that I got up to 132 volts but not enough amps to even light a 5 volt bulb. I am wondering that the FTPU demo never showed a load because it could simply not handle a load. It could only accumulate voltage but HOW can this be done circuit wise. Can it be done with a and/or b and/or c.

I'm confused as hell and don't have enough circuit savvy to figure it out.

My basic testing set-up has always been the same. I use a very nice dc pulse generator, or I use my frequency generator with a mosfet and my dc power supply or a battery as my standard drive end. Then I have the tpu build and then I send the output of that into my huge 88uf 1200vdc capacitor that has one diode to hold the charge inside the cap. Then I have my voltage meter on the cap to read the voltage rise (or no rise - lol). This is my standard set-up and with this, I can see the differences between one TPU build and another. Don't get me wrong, I have learned a great deal with this set-up but I need to know if there is a way to accumulate

Maybe to say also, if the SM FTPU circuit had to be patented, why the hell would you even want to patent a circuit that is obviously so small. What is it in the circuit that would be so innovative, so new and especially to such a degree as to warrant a patent. Could it be because it can do either a or b as asked above.

Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: otto on March 23, 2009, 06:03:38 AM
Hello all,

@AM

no photo but I can easily describe you my setup:

you would see a 6" TPU sitting inside a 15" TPU, made with 2 copper rings, thats all.

The 6" TPU is a regular toroidal transformer with an iron core. You can buy such transformers, even in my country. the voltages are: 230V/ 10V - 0, 18V - 0 - 18V, 20V - 0.

I have connected this transformer to my 15" TPU.

Im pulsing the 18V - 0 - 18V secondary with 500kHz or less or any frequency I want and on the 230V side I have a really big high voltage.

@All

No, no typo, five hundred kilohertz. NO SATURATION of the core. Now spit on my words if you can!!! Its an oridinary transformer!!!

As Im still waiting for my 5U4 Im playing around with high voltages because a TPU needs this HV.

Why the core doesnt saturate? Ha,ha. I know it but here are a lot of people much more educated then Im.

Almost forgot: nice clean signals without hash!!!! Like with tubes.

Otto

PS: I think we have a lot to learn.

Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: otto on March 24, 2009, 06:48:10 AM
Hello all,

WOOOOW, in 24 hours not 1 post. Even the PC heroes lost their ideas!!

OK, maybe the people are working on TPUs so they have no time to post. Thats good!!

Or maybe Im the last on this?

Otto

Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: chrisC on March 24, 2009, 07:04:53 AM
Hello all,

WOOOOW, in 24 hours not 1 post. Even the PC heroes lost their ideas!!

OK, maybe the people are working on TPUs so they have no time to post. Thats good!!

Or maybe Im the last on this?

Otto

Hello Otto:

It's great to see you hacking away at the TPU! I hope you will be successful. Many people over the past few days are intriqued by 'low tech' magnetic technology at the Howard Johnson Replication thread. Mr. Mylow has shown a very convincing or close to perpetual motion set up using only magnets. Do take a look.

cheers
chrisC


Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: otto on March 24, 2009, 07:33:51 AM
Hello to myself and ChrisC

yes, the people on this forum got a new toy and now they have something to play with. Im not interested in motors. Im interested in tubes, how they interact with the surrounding.....

Yes, as said before, I will stay with the TPU until the job is finished. I have a lot of time and enjoy in my hobby.

Results?

Not bad at all.

Otto

Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on March 24, 2009, 08:11:59 AM
hi everyone good day!



I am currently making a research about the RADIUM, i have read that tesla use 1 gram of radium and tremendously made a ligthning.

also hubbard and hendershot reportedly using radium chloride.


I think there is a possibility that sm also use it.


God bless
otits
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: otto on March 24, 2009, 08:37:24 AM
Hello all,

@otitis

why radium when we can prodube x-rays with our tubes inside a TPU. Did SM hide inside a 15" TPU little tubes?

Tesla and radium? Come on!

Otto
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on March 24, 2009, 08:48:30 AM
Hello all,

@otitis

why radium when we can prodube x-rays with our tubes inside a TPU. Did SM hide inside a 15" TPU little tubes?

Tesla and radium? Come on!

Otto

Hi sir good day

Well i'm just making some testing for every possibilities and i will test also some carbon which is very easy to find.

maybe tubes are better but upto now you are still waiting for them to come am i right?  ;D

why not try something on the junk. maybe there is gold in there ok.  ;D


God bless
otits



Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: otto on March 24, 2009, 09:02:54 AM
Hello all,

@otitis

in my country is NO chance to find something usefull on the junk!

Carbon rods you can find in 4,5V batteries. The big quadratic batteries. In such batteries are 3 carbon rods over 3" long and 1/4" in diameter. With them you can play a lot. As you see I also used them.

Almost forgot: maybe you have a clock at home? Of course you have. Can you see the numbers at night??. Got it?

Otto

Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on March 24, 2009, 10:16:02 AM
Hello all,

@otitis

in my country is NO chance to find something usefull on the junk!

Carbon rods you can find in 4,5V batteries. The big quadratic batteries. In such batteries are 3 carbon rods over 3" long and 1/4" in diameter. With them you can play a lot. As you see I also used them.

Almost forgot: maybe you have a clock at home? Of course you have. Can you see the numbers at night??. Got it?

Otto


Well thanks for the info? i have them already.


P.S. I turn the light first before i look at the clock especially at night, i'm not  8)  :P  ;D

 

Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: wattsup on March 24, 2009, 01:52:01 PM
@otto

You already know I always work on more then one project. The HJ project is much more relaxing for me since it does not involve so many things that I cannot see or understand (lol), like spinning electrical currents and has much less chances of getting a shock or cooking my stomach, but I still continue the TPU study, don't worry about me. I have also read very carefully what you said about your TPU so it did not fall on deaf ears and I will try some variations and of course let you know.

I asked a question on how to understand the TPU output but no one can respond to my question. I was hoping that anyone could provide some clarity on that technical end. I think the question of how to control or accumulate output power is a major key to this since I have been pulsing so many types of coils/rings and seeing their effects but the output side is a very big unknown. The a, b, c scenarios is my way of putting this problem clearly in my mind but maybe I did not portray it properly.

Or, maybe my question is too stupid to even bother. That would not surprise me either but I risk it anyway.
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: otto on March 24, 2009, 06:17:54 PM
Hello all,

@wattsup

I think its not good to work on various projects because then you cant focus your knowledge to the main problem. But OK, I know a lot of people doing so.

The particles inside a TPU are visible, to say so. Better to say that I can clearly hear them spinning up. Its a scary sound! Spinning electrical currents is beautiful because there is a lot to learn, especially to hear...the shocks are not so nice but...

About the TPU output I dont want to talk because the input is much more interesting. The output is boring and well known: Bedini (its my friends fantastic knowledge).

The question is how fast, how many kilovolts we need inside a TPU. Maybe 10kV or 20kV or....I suppose 20kV because TVs are working with such voltages. Yeeees, 18kV, 20kV....this high voltages will cause x-rays but ....

Now, how to build coils that produces 20kV, that causes a runaway, that you can hide inside a 15" TPU....is it a problem?

NO!

Otto

Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: forest on March 25, 2009, 09:22:51 AM
I have strange idea. Electrons moving on wire surface are also a source of magnetic field. Why not build so strangely formed coil to force that magnetic field of passing electrons to speed up other electrons moving behind them. That would require rather strange shape of coil, kind of knot maybe.If possible of course. ::)
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on March 25, 2009, 10:17:15 AM

Now, how to build coils that produces 20kV, that causes a runaway, that you can hide inside a 15" TPU....is it a problem?


hi everyone

Tesla coil type coiling is more nearer to this problem!
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: otto on March 25, 2009, 10:25:15 AM
Hello all,

the point in a TPU is to know how oridinary coils can or cant work together. Dont complicate. They are oridinary coils but connected in a "special way".

Reed SMs words. Think about them.

Otto

Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: AhuraMazda on March 25, 2009, 11:31:19 AM
@Wattsup,
About your question on the output and the capacitor,
The capacitor acts as an averaging device.
In electrical circuits we have a output coil where volyage pulses are gerenated. we put a diode in series with the coil so this turns it to pulsed dc. then to smooth it ( average it) we put a polarized capacitor the right way!

if you look at the output of most Switching regulators, this is what you will see.
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: wings on March 25, 2009, 01:49:30 PM
I have strange idea. Electrons moving on wire surface are also a source of magnetic field. Why not build so strangely formed coil to force that magnetic field of passing electrons to speed up other electrons moving behind them. That would require rather strange shape of coil, kind of knot maybe.If possible of course. ::)

Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: BEP on March 25, 2009, 06:13:12 PM
@forest

Think about copper coated iron. I haven't tried for results but the speed between the two metals is different. Low freqs would be a must as skin effect is more pronounced at highs.
Current going through iron wire should produce a skewed mag field. If so then the field of the iron and copper should be slightly different

Imagine if one could time the lagging iron field to clear the way for the other. Or vise versa.
Oh well. I may try it and see what blows.
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: giantkiller on March 25, 2009, 09:41:48 PM
@forest

Think about copper coated iron. I haven't tried for results but the speed between the two metals is different. Low freqs would be a must as skin effect is more pronounced at highs.
Current going through iron wire should produce a skewed mag field. If so then the field of the iron and copper should be slightly different

Imagine if one could time the lagging iron field to clear the way for the other. Or vise versa.
Oh well. I may try it and see what blows.

http://www.searlsolution.com/members/technology7.html

He uses layered materials also.

http://www.searlsolution.com/evidence2.html

It's all over the world now and these people are serious!

Now do you think that these people would build something like that if it didn't work?

Kind of makes area51 and aliens even more believable by the mere fact that if we are building it on a civilian level it has already been done.

I state the next statement in a positive manner:
I believe the Masons are the keepers of this knowledge and are making it known to mankind at this time. Are they not connected with the Egyptians knowledge base? And the timing couldn't be more perfect with the nexus of states of technology and politcorp averice and greed. Diabolical is the new state of business. But then again what's new?

Mankind is at the mercy of the new wave of politcorp control. We are capitalistic slaves. Then what? The Universal powers that be have written in the book of Revelation that is not the way it is to be. Keep watching the heavens and not the skies.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: giantkiller on March 26, 2009, 07:35:31 PM
Free electrons here too.
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/fep01.htm


Read the last paragraph closely in the attached pic.
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: chrisC on March 26, 2009, 07:50:35 PM
http://www.searlsolution.com/members/technology7.html

He uses layered materials also.

http://www.searlsolution.com/evidence2.html

It's all over the world now and these people are serious!


--giantkiller.

btw, I can't find any recent news about the professor's machine. Is it shown anywhere or confirmed in public? thanks

cheers
chrisC
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: AhuraMazda on March 27, 2009, 12:34:32 AM
Some more excellent reading

http://www.scribd.com/doc/9659415/Practical-Transformer-Handbook

Another must read
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: giantkiller on March 28, 2009, 01:13:21 AM
btw, I can't find any recent news about the professor's machine. Is it shown anywhere or confirmed in public? thanks

cheers
chrisC

This is as latest as it gets. I don't know what happens to these guys. The home page does show current year of 2009.

Also Youtube.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on March 28, 2009, 01:58:13 AM
Some more excellent reading

http://www.scribd.com/doc/9659415/Practical-Transformer-Handbook

Another must read


Hi sir ahura

Very good book sir!  ;D

God bless
otits
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Michelinho on March 28, 2009, 07:54:02 AM


Hi all,

I found a few more Hendershot apparatus pictures.

Enjoy,

Michel
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Michelinho on March 28, 2009, 07:55:04 AM


A few more.
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: forest on March 28, 2009, 04:46:08 PM
Quote
"As I review the events of my past life I realize how subtle are the influences that shape our destinies. An incident of my youth may serve to illustrate. One winter's day I managed to climb a steep mountain, in company with other boys. The snow was quite deep and a warm southerly wind made it just suitable for our purpose. We amused ourselves by throwing balls which would roll down a certain distance, gathering more or less snow, and we tried to out-do one another in this sport. Suddenly a ball was seen to go beyond the limit, swelling to enormous proportions until it became as big as a house and plunged thundering into the valley below with a force that made the ground tremble. I looked on spellbound incapable of understanding what had happened. For weeks afterward the picture of the avalanche was before my eyes and I wondered how anything so small could grow to such an immense size. "

Nikola Tesla ;)
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Bruce_TPU on March 29, 2009, 01:25:43 AM
Hmm...

I have a question for y'all.  Has anyone figured out how Tesla was able to demonstrate power from nowhere?  He just had some tubes, wire caps and resistors.  How about his electric car?  Pretty much the same ingredients. 

And then we come to SM and his wonderful, drive you crazy, make you study and think, clues.  Some tubes, some wire, caps and resistors and again we have power from nowhere.  SM gave us all the information we need to understand it, and then to build it, of this I am sure.  But the understanding takes a while.  And then the finer details worked out by experimentation.

Would you like to hear a crazy man's idea of how both Tesla and SM were able to do it?  I will just state the how I think part, not the physics.  I will leave that to more learned men. 

Have you ever wondered why SM was so convinced at first that the power "converter" received it's power from the earth's magnetic field?

Have you ever wondered what SM saw in his HV back to back transformer experiment?

I think that Tesla found his magnetometer picking up huge magnetic waves near some thunderstorms.  Later he made a magnetic loop antenna, tuned to one of those waves (Specific VHF frequencies, VLF Magnetic loop antenna)  Then he found that with the tubes he could artificially combine these frequencies over the mag loop antenna and you get power out.

SM perhaps made each collector as a magnetic loop antenna.  Tuned each one to resonate as a mag loop antenna at either 7.23 or 7.3 hz (VLF) This is easy to do with a bit of calculus and is different than "resonance" as one normally thinks of it.  The Magnetic loop antenna is more sensitive to the "magnetic field" and then the "electrical field" for resonance.

The circuit potential is as Lindsay's TPU stack shown many times.  The collectors are tuned to VLF as stated.  The frequencies are artificially created within the circumference of the collector, and then you have the "phenomenon of magnetic collection".  If you have the diameter and circumference of the antenna then you can solve ALL of the other parts.  15" inches in case anyone forgot.

A high speed particle accelerator. 

Two triode VHF tubes, three VHF frequencies, and each of three collectors tuned to the VLF, just off of, as SM warned, the frequency of power conversion, or "center frequency with the circumference of the collectors."

Just my latest ramblings... Nothing but speculation, conjecture and theory.  Please pay no mind to me.

Please see the math and theory below to build the circuit potential (collectors) properly.
http://sidstation.lionelloudet.homedns.org/antenna-theory-en.xhtml

Sample from above link:
"The inductive magnetic field across the loop depends on the magnetic component of the electro-magnetic wave (called H or magnetic field strength) and on the magnetic permeability of the loop core."

P.S.  Our electromagnetic waves are artificially tapped into with the VHF three frequencies in the control coils.

Edit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_loop

Warm regards to all,

Bruce
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Mannix on March 29, 2009, 03:53:39 AM
Good post Bruce!

Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: AhuraMazda on March 29, 2009, 01:04:26 PM
Hello all,

@AM

I have a lot of informations but I dont think the people here are open minded enough ....never mind.

no, I dont have a self runner, not in this moment. A self running TPU would mean that such a device is working near a runaway point and we have the knowledge to control it. Its no a problem to get into a runaway. Its not a problem to blow the equipment. Its a biiiig problem to control the beast!!! 

As Im waiting for my 5U4 tube Im playing with my TPU and my life. The recitifier 5U4 tube is needed to get a DC high voltage mixed with an AC voltage mixed inside this tube. Then this voltage stepped up to maybe 20kV. How else to ger such a voltage??

Yes, a little step up transformer......I know it but......tubes are in this moment a MUST. Not because of fine and clean signals. F..k them. I have now perfect clean signals without tubes. Made just with SS!! The vacuum tube is the best known "connection device" between the aether, the surrounding energy, the.....and a TPU!!!

Not so easy for me to explain. A tube is like an antenna for radiant energy. Somehow it recieves the high frequency particles from the outside and then converts them to a lower frequency, higher energy .....

The same is doing a "CORE" in a TPU. It recieves particles from the surrounding and when you have luck or knowledge to vibrate this surrounding....

@Otto,
I hope you are having fun with your 5U4s.
You said a lot in this post and I have been thinking about it. Are you not going backwards with the use of tubes if you say they are replicating what the TPU coil  is doing? I have been studying the tube specifications and must say I am not very impressed at what I read Unless, the tube that SM was refering to was something special.

Lakhovski developed a special tube described in US patant 2,351,055. Morrey also had a special tube.





Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Mannix on March 29, 2009, 01:35:47 PM
perhaps we can wait untill someone somebody else makes a semi conductor designed for tpu's

they will post it here of course
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: forest on March 29, 2009, 04:27:37 PM
I have an idea.Call it crazy but think a moment about it.
What will happen if I sweep magnetic flux over non-induction coil ? I imagine that no current will be generated due to opposite directions of possibly induced currents or in other words : zero voltage between ends of coil.Well,I point to that informations : http://www.hyiq.org/Library/02-03-09.htm, particularly to presented video.

In closed loop of wire sweeped by magnetic flux no current is flowing, but something interesting seems to occur anyway, which was not a point of interest afaik : charges are separated over wire loop.

If that's really happening then kind of sink put somewhere on the same wire should generate current, even in closed loop (of course on wire surface).In other words electrostatic potential may generate current if there is sufficient electrostatic field and in some part of circuit electrons are slightly accelerated on wire surface .

That would be not enough however. Generated so small current must be used then to create bigger surface charge separation by using induced magnetic field. Such device should be consisted of charge separation grids joined by main coils when charges are collected and acceleration coils which will speed-up charges on wire surface and also will rise charges amount on main coils.
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Mannix on March 29, 2009, 07:08:28 PM
Remember the video where the unit that he later cut int pieces is not putting out the correct power.
He takes a speaker magnet and runs it around the edge of the coil
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Magnon on March 29, 2009, 08:59:46 PM
@Otto,
I hope you are having fun with your 5U4s.
You said a lot in this post and I have been thinking about it. Are you not going backwards with the use of tubes if you say they are replicating what the TPU coil  is doing? I have been studying the tube specifications and must say I am not very impressed at what I read Unless, the tube that SM was refering to was something special.

Lakhovski developed a special tube described in US patant 2,351,055. Morrey also had a special tube.







TPU is generating a cylindrical nested microwave pattern around the TPU in a vertical form.
This pattern works as a guide to collect and compress the charged particles from the environment nearby. Microwaves are created by acoustomagnetic resonance effect. Micowaves are also the reason, why the TPU generates heat.
To have microwave emission by acoustomagnetic resonance effect, there must be material present in a applied magnetic field, that contains unpaired electrons. Free electrons are creating this effect also. The electron tubes for exsample contains a lot of free electrons in a vacuum.

--Magnon

 
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: AhuraMazda on March 29, 2009, 11:28:39 PM
To have microwave emission by acoustomagnetic resonance effect, there must be material present in a applied magnetic field, that contains unpaired electrons. Free electrons are creating this effect also. The electron tubes for exsample contains a lot of free electrons in a vacuum.


@Magnon
If for this effect we need an electron cloud, then would a fluorescent lamp do just as well or do we need a specific type of tube?
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: MACEDONIA CD on March 30, 2009, 12:31:16 AM
@bruce

yes YOU HAVE  THE   .......  GOOD THEORY <WHERE  TESLA  HAS PICK UP THIS ENERGY  FOR  HIS  ELEKTRIC CAR

I LIKE TO ASK HERE SOME  VERY CLEVER MAN  TO ASK SIMPLE THING

IS POSIBLE  IF YOU HAVE  SOME SMALL RF TRANSMITER  LIKE  <1 WATT>  AND  YOU HAVE  100000000     RECIVERS   HO IS THE  SAME FREKFENCY  OF THAT 1 WATT  RF TRANSMITER 
WHAT WHILL BE 
DID  RECIVERS  WHILL BE TAKE  MORE  LOADS  TO OVERHEAT  THE RF TRANSMITER   HMMMMMMM
IS POSIBLE TO HAVE MORE  <<I WAIT TO  SEE WHAT  YOU WHILL ANSFER  OF THIS SIMPLE  THING >>

@BRUCE FOR THE  TESLA CAR  YES MAN THERE SOMEWHERE HAS  SOME  TRANSMITER  AND  TESLA  HAS  GOOD RECIVER   WHIT SOME ANTENA > SIMPLE ANTENA
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Bruce_TPU on March 30, 2009, 01:18:36 AM
@bruce

yes YOU HAVE  THE   .......  GOOD THEORY <WHERE  TESLA  HAS PICK UP THIS ENERGY  FOR  HIS  ELEKTRIC CAR

I LIKE TO ASK HERE SOME  VERY CLEVER MAN  TO ASK SIMPLE THING

IS POSIBLE  IF YOU HAVE  SOME SMALL RF TRANSMITER  LIKE  <1 WATT>  AND  YOU HAVE  100000000     RECIVERS   HO IS THE  SAME FREKFENCY  OF THAT 1 WATT  RF TRANSMITER 
WHAT WHILL BE 
DID  RECIVERS  WHILL BE TAKE  MORE  LOADS  TO OVERHEAT  THE RF TRANSMITER   HMMMMMMM
IS POSIBLE TO HAVE MORE  <<I WAIT TO  SEE WHAT  YOU WHILL ANSFER  OF THIS SIMPLE  THING >>

@BRUCE FOR THE  TESLA CAR  YES MAN THERE SOMEWHERE HAS  SOME  TRANSMITER  AND  TESLA  HAS  GOOD RECIVER   WHIT SOME ANTENA > SIMPLE ANTENA


The "loop antenna collectors" is simply the circuit potential, set to resonate at the one combined frequency.

It is what the other frequency's are doing, the tube oscillators are placing into the circumference of the collectors that matter.  But the collectors must be tuned properly. 

Cheers,

Bruce
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: MACEDONIA CD on March 30, 2009, 01:45:25 AM
@BRUCE

YES  good thinging  yes keep going is  ok

tune properly  your reciver  and  then whill be  have  very good  energy

BUT BE CAREFULL IF YOU TUNE  MORE CLOUSE TO STATION THEN  YOU WHILL SEE   FLAME FROM HIM   ;)
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: otto on March 30, 2009, 06:46:00 AM
Hello all,

@Bruce TPU,

energy from nowhere doesnt exist. Its the energy that surrounds us all. Aether, cosmic rays or ....what ever you want.

@AM

on Saturday I got my 5U4G tube. This was soooo a big surprise for me. I have expected a tube in the size of a pentode but got a sooooo big tube!!!! I never saw a bigger that was used in a TV!!

Now Im not wondering why SM had success. Its not only about the voltage that this tube can handle. Its about the SIZE of this tube.

Its a big free energy "factory", to say so.

Today I will order more of this beauties.

With tubes Im going into the right direction, thats for sure. No, I didnt try this tube yesterday because I have to figure out how to use it. Yes, as rectifier but this is not good enough for me. There is something else that I have to figure out but I dont want to wright about this.

Last week I asked my friend when he wants to drive around with a car made like Tesla did it, ha,ha. He didnt understand but.....who knows?

A time ago I wrote to another friend that we really dont know how tubes are really working. I have learned in scool the oridinary crap about tubes, worked with them when I was fixing tube TVs but thats not all what tubes can do.

Yes, I was right with my crazy words that a tube is the best "connection device" between the surrounding "energy" and a TPU!!!!

Almost forgot: somehow Im sure that the tubes have to be placed inside the TPU. Just a guess but a logic guess.

Otto

Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: otto on March 30, 2009, 08:00:12 AM
Hello all,

my brain is not the best so forgive me. I forgot to mention this:

I know we have here well educated people so I would say google: tornado, air pressure.

We know that we have a "tornado" in a TPU. When you figure out how a real tornado works, think what this has to do with a tube, I guess, sitting in the middle of a 15" TPU.

Of course we dont have in the middle of a TPU a low air pressure ( I think), but in a tube is a low air pressure........

Im just loud thinking

Otto
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Mannix on March 30, 2009, 10:56:59 AM
Otto,
It is my understanding that the use of tubes did not require that they are placed in the null zone.

I could be wrong about that however as it was not stated directly..like a lot of things, experimentation using the correct devices is the only way to solve the puzzle.

keep up your  tenacity , Im cheering for you
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Bruce_TPU on March 30, 2009, 02:39:18 PM
Hi Otto,

I leave the physics of "where" the energy is coming from to more learned men than I, LOL.

But SM DID tell us WHAT creates the energy in the TPU.  It is "all of those frequency's combining into one big kick."

One tube is not enough.  You need THREE.  One for each tube amp.  One for each frequency.

I too am cheering for you Otto.

But remember that the collectors are indeed a type of "race track", tuned to the resonant frequency of the one combined kick. 

Regards,

Bruce
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: dankie on March 30, 2009, 02:50:36 PM
The TPU is a big waste of time .

When dealing with this kind of stuff , everything you do here is meaningless . If you dont understand how it worked or have a good detailed pic of the build and size you are left with nothing .

The only hope for you guys is if you had a highly organized team that would make every single dimension and brutally test out every dimension/ratio and take note of everything , even then ...

So far theres been a single ugly improvised coil , thats about it ... Is it me or are people getting retarded here ? I see people here trying to explain to eachother in "vague" hypothetical ways how to "tune" a TPU device   ??? ... Mix in a bit of opinions and you got yourself a thread thats FILLED with shit . ;D



Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Magnon on March 30, 2009, 04:39:20 PM
@Magnon
If for this effect we need an electron cloud, then would a fluorescent lamp do just as well or do we need a specific type of tube?


This is a good idea.If we have a circular form neon gas fluorescent tube, there is an electron flow in a gas, in a circular path. This is what we need. The speed of sound is about 435 m/s for neon gas. You can use TPU phonon calculator to calculate the circumference for the the tube and needed applied vertical magnetic field strenght. Then add a sound source that is connected to tube, with a frequency that you can have from the TPU phonon calculator also.You can amplify this microwave frequency with a interference, when the signal reflects forth and back in between two mirrors ( vertical reflection )

--Magnon
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: MACEDONIA CD on March 30, 2009, 07:29:08 PM
@dankie

hey what you are talking  i thing you TALKING SOMETHING  WHITOUT SAYING NOTHING 

I SEE  YOU  SAY FOR TUNING TPU  IF YOU ARE ANDERSTEND WHAT IS MEAN TUNING TPU  OR NOT  YOU MAST LEARN WHAT IS MEAN THAT

IN THE END OF MY  SPOKE HERE  I SAY   <YES   IS <VERY VERY IMPORTANT TO TUNE YOUR  PICK UP COILS TO YOUR SOURCE  IF YOU DONT >THEN YOU ARE HAVE   NOTHING
 AND  @DANKIE 
YOU MAST BE MORE GOOD WHIT PEOPLE  TO RESPECKT YOU  IF YOU DONT  THEN PWOPLE WHILL DONT READ YOUR  SHIT HERE
IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING LIKE TPU   MADE FROM YOU  THEN SHOW HERE TO SEE ATHERE

@OTTO  YES greated  <lamps  you have but  you need 15 watt  to make  heat  and work  properly>.
  ;)
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: forest on March 30, 2009, 07:59:53 PM
Otto

If you manage to create tornado in magnetosphere better runaway before explosion. It is the mother and circuit is her baby... Am I correct ?
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: giantkiller on March 30, 2009, 08:55:47 PM
Listen up boys and girls! We are going to take a trip into the wonderful physix and vortexes.
Now take a stick, an single beater egg beater, or your hand. Ok? Ok...

Take your newly acquired object and swirl it or turn it on in a tank or bowl of water.
The centrifugal force spins the water outward creating a funnel. See?

Lets look on the other side of not only the event horizon but the event boundary.
The event boundary is the wall of vertical force of the air and the water on the sides of the vortex. In the water side of the boundary there is pressure in the water, kinetic and resistive. Not only does the water spin around, and the air too, but forces outward against the resistive action of the water not yet in motion.Guess what happens on the event horizon? We get infolding.
Now put a sprinkle of dark, small gravel or colored sand in the bottom and repeat experiment.

We all know this. But!

In the magnetic version the field sees no resistance! And so it can spin faster and faster right where our copper is. Guess what part of the copper is 90 degress? Thats right! The top and bottom of the windings. From this vantage point the vertical part of the windings has current in it. And guess what it produces? Another magnetic field! Now you have 2 fields at 90 degrees. Let fun begin.
Now what is being drawn into the center? More magnetic field from the aether, sub atomic alignment. As above so below.

Our windings can have 2 configurations. Tall vertically or wide horizontally(PssT... Just like the Deyo base coils on the washers.) Or, OMG! Conical! Either way we collect and distribute current and voltage.

Ok. So now close your books. We're going to have a test. Build it. You will be awarded on performance. No verbal skills are included in the test as the instructions are manual. Not your hands, dummy!
Test hint: Use black pepper and those little blue speckles from laundry detergent in your vortex display. If you can't see this then you're dismissed, permanently.
Caveat: Past performance is not indicative of future status. All efforts will be rewarded.
I figure since nobody from the electroincs class is making anytthing we would just slip down to the home economics kitchen. You know, where the pansies hang out. ;D It's ok. You can play with your food here.

--giantkiller. Class dismissed. Remember: Shock and awe! Be careful out there. I am not for hire. No government would want me around. My current government is dismissing me. The accountants have gone contractor shopping.  That just means I am free to move faster and farther. ;)
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: ramset on March 30, 2009, 11:21:27 PM
GK
I don't know if you have ever had the urge to say something,but didn't know how to put it into words?

I'll just have to say

THANK YOU [from the kitchen]

Chet
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Thaelin on March 31, 2009, 04:11:43 AM
   I just have to pop in here for a minute or two. I have been on a quest to understand
resonance. I found a pdf on the sour effects of it. Very sobering indeed. This was the
effect of someone inadvertantly hitting the 7th harmonic on a power factor correction.
It resulted in over voltage "and" over current situations and the cap was the unlucky
recipient of it.
   SM definately stated that his fundamental was 35k. He stated his top freq was 245k.
So now all we need is the middle one, pick it 3 or 5. Choose how close you get to the
actual harmonic to get your Q factor and that is your gain. He did say it "inherently will
run with gain".
   On another note, it was stated in the pdf that diodes on the output of a transformer
was a major cause of the harmonic "kick back" seen. On a three phase diode set, it
will have six (6) per cycle.  I can upload that pdf if anyone wants it.

thaelin
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Mannix on March 31, 2009, 04:37:25 AM
Thaelin,

It sounds of great value ..please let it be known

thanks
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: giantkiller on March 31, 2009, 04:38:45 AM
@T,
Plz do. I am in the spot now of placing diodes. The .7volts wall can cause problems with the initial shock. It's(.7v) there and I want to know the ramifications.

In other words, where do we want the rebound at or just let it fly off somewhere. The RE doesn't see the diode. But I have concerns about the topology as a whole.

Does this make sense and is it clear to what I am saying?

Keely all the way. The frequencies you mentioned are possibly the ones that match best in copper molecules. Now if we had his trexnonar wire the frequencies would obviously change. It looks to be a conductive wave guide. He heterodynes the nodes of the frequencies and uses the latency of each material to his benefit. Gold, Platinum, Silver. And from this he achieves what I would call hyper-resonance.
Quote
1. An extreme degree of resonance.
I think solid state is too chattery for this degree of exactness in copper. In other words the frequencies of copper and silicon substrate are discordant at some parts of their note scales or chords.
The Rodin coil approaches this type of operation. The cadaceus type winding has hardwired nodes.

I also believe that the magamp in the SM17 effectively controls the 'Effective aperture'. Otto alluded to this. Widen the mouth of this beast too much in the correct beat freq and, to paraquote Sparks,
Quote
You have a gravity sucking nulcear runaway'.

In the microwave oven circuit we have an oscillation to a MOT to a LCR tank and the magnetron. This is a dischord drive mechanism. The magetron diminishes over time. The dischords are a product of mismatched impedances for the level of control we are speaking about here. Good enuff to cook food but a self disintegrator none the less.

Thanks.
--giantkiller.
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: BEP on March 31, 2009, 04:42:53 AM
Some time ago, on this site, I posted info about the rather nasty but useful characteristics some silicon rectifiers have. This info was found as reference comments in a manual about avoiding the effects on the grid from current 'we' call Telluric.

The problem was incredibly fast, high current and short duration reverse 'on' time.

Don't have access to my home puters right now or I would put a snippet here

BTW: No point in going into detail but 245 for a max was probably a literal suggestion. At just over 249 things could get ugly - resonance wise

Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: otto on March 31, 2009, 06:30:40 AM
Hello all,

it seems that nobody wants understand and accept my wrightings. This IS the reason why SM maybe said that he doesnt know how his TPU works. He didnt want to fight with people about this. Of course he knows exactly how the TPU works but the problem is that its a little bit hard to describe and its also not so easy to understand.

Since Im tha proud owner of a 5U4 tube I knew that something was wrong. Wrong because my feeling said me that such a big tube has another job in the TPU. And I was right.

More later.

@Bruce TPU,

I know that all. I have 3 triodes and a 5U4 rectifier tube and tuned collectors.....you name it.

@dankie

who said that Im not in the middle of a fantastic team??

One of the guys has a knowledghe about coils you can only dream about and the other is a top 10 physicist. They dont want to expose themselfs so I dont want to mention their names.

Otto
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: otto on March 31, 2009, 07:13:23 AM
Hello all,

is here a good guy to post my schematic because I cant?

Otto
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: wattsup on March 31, 2009, 07:45:09 AM
@otto

I read your writings and will soon use them in my next build but I don't have enough guts to play with the tubes, not just yet anyways. I have an idea to use a tube in a loop that runs just by hitting it with one 12vdc spark, but I am too chicken to try it yet. lol

But something that may be of interest.

On @EM's thread about the HV lines, someone put up a circuit to draw ambient energy. I made one of the circuits and ran a wire out of my office and half way around my home. On that single input wire I got about 1.5 volts so nothing to jump about. But the circuit is using 4 diodes, four caps and the output is two wires, positive and negative DC. One wire in, two wires out. So I said to myself what better way to draw power from a closed loop by having only one input wire. I restarted my FTPU build and connected this to the collector loop and pulsed the outer four coils (2 x two levels) that were connected in series - half up to half down to half up to half down. This is now giving me the best results and if I now use @otto suggestions for materials and add the center toroid, I am sure it will be even better with much faster voltage rise times.

About the 3 frequencies, lets convene that it is possible for the MTPU/LTPU but I doubt is was also used in the smaller units. Example, the FTPU resonance between the outer coil and rings is in the 2.5mhz range according to my tests. Nothing in the 250khz or 35khz range. But again, if some basic configuration changes are made, this could also change. If 2,5mhz was the 7th harmonic, then what would be the first, third and fifth. Funny thing though, 5000 x 5000 = 2.5m
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Grumpy on March 31, 2009, 03:19:16 PM
What happens when you pass one of those infamopus frequencies through this device? (See attached)

It becomes a train of pulses.  This device is shown in most of the TPU's, but I don't see anyone else using it.

Many of you apply all sorts of frequencies and many ways, but you are just guessing and hoping to get lucky.
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: AhuraMazda on March 31, 2009, 05:18:56 PM
@Grumpy,
It is interesting that you named your attachment "saturable inductors".
I must say for a long time I have suspected a TPU "connection" with magamps perhaps at the output stage.
The problem is I have not had much luck with my input stage!
It is not my style go around shouting Eurica unless I am sure what I am talking about so, this is just speculation.

P.S. Can anyone point me to where I may find S.M's demostration videos? I lost all mine when I had a computer crash.

For those who have working TPUs perhaps this is a trivial point,
from what I remember, SM always was careful to keep his TPU flat/horizontal. does this tell us anything?
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Grumpy on March 31, 2009, 06:31:24 PM
@Grumpy,
It is interesting that you named your attachment "saturable inductors".

Depending on wether they are used just as a closing switch or for pulse compression, you could say saturable inductor or saturable reactor, respectively.

Of course, closer inspection of the videos reveals that the cores "appear" to be wound like a saturable-core reactor, like those used to control AC loads (two coils):

http://www.tpub.com/content/neets/14180/css/14180_136.htm

Someone mentioned a long time ago that this was a popular method of power regulation many years ago.

Here is the circuit with two reactors and this have be the basis of the two cores in the video picture that I just posted.

http://www.tpub.com/content/neets/14180/css/14180_139.htm
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: forest on March 31, 2009, 08:28:41 PM
Depending on wether they are used just as a closing switch or for pulse compression, you could say saturable inductor or saturable reactor, respectively.

Of course, closer inspection of the videos reveals that the cores "appear" to be wound like a saturable-core reactor, like those used to control AC loads (two coils):

http://www.tpub.com/content/neets/14180/css/14180_136.htm

Someone mentioned a long time ago that this was a popular method of power regulation many years ago.

Here is the circuit with two reactors and this have be the basis of the two cores in the video picture that I just posted.

http://www.tpub.com/content/neets/14180/css/14180_139.htm


YES,this is exactly the same IMHO. Now we know what is used to prevent runaway situation.
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: wings on March 31, 2009, 08:49:34 PM
I have an idea.Call it crazy but think a moment about it.
What will happen if I sweep magnetic flux over non-induction coil ? I imagine that no current will be generated due to opposite directions of possibly induced currents or in other words : zero voltage between ends of coil.Well,I point to that informations : http://www.hyiq.org/Library/02-03-09.htm, particularly to presented video.

In closed loop of wire sweeped by magnetic flux no current is flowing, but something interesting seems to occur anyway, which was not a point of interest afaik : charges are separated over wire loop.

If that's really happening then kind of sink put somewhere on the same wire should generate current, even in closed loop (of course on wire surface).In other words electrostatic potential may generate current if there is sufficient electrostatic field and in some part of circuit electrons are slightly accelerated on wire surface .

That would be not enough however. Generated so small current must be used then to create bigger surface charge separation by using induced magnetic field. Such device should be consisted of charge separation grids joined by main coils when charges are collected and acceleration coils which will speed-up charges on wire surface and also will rise charges amount on main coils.

@ forest
SM "Tesla states that you can have all kinds of electrons flowing through a wire traveling in different directions relating only to their potential power source. He even said that you could have different electron flows through a single wire completely separate from each other. I tried it and he is right!"

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=712.30
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: forest on March 31, 2009, 08:57:58 PM
SM said : "The point I wish to make here is that also along with the 500 volt
DC is, yes, you guessed it, the 5 volts three amp AC current!
They are both completely independent of each other except for
some very interesting things I will mention to you some other
time
..
First of all, obviously you can have several different output
components in the power output signal.
You can have DC and AC together without any problem."

Would somebody enlighten me please ?  :-[
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Grumpy on March 31, 2009, 09:03:53 PM
YES,this is exactly the same IMHO. Now we know what is used to prevent runaway situation.


I think that the saturable reactors are the integral parts in SM's "gatekeepeer" circuit.

I don't think that the saturable reactors were used in the configuration for AC load control, but probably came from an off-the-shelf regulator that served this purpose.  I suspect that he connected one side fo the reactors to a bias source (probably tunable) and the other coil is used to create pulses from a DC input.

Not sure what SM used for a controller (switch).

For the smart-ass that will say that we need an AC or pulsed input, I offer this pattent as an example:

Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Grumpy on March 31, 2009, 09:07:32 PM
@ forest
SM "Tesla states that you can have all kinds of electrons flowing through a wire traveling in different directions relating only to their potential power source. He even said that you could have different electron flows through a single wire completely separate from each other. I tried it and he is right!"

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=712.30


You can also have all sorts of things happening outside the wire that no one ever talks about.

If a sine wave is biased above or below the zero line, there is a DC component. 
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: wings on March 31, 2009, 09:09:46 PM
Electrical oscillations without employment of electricity?

"Generally the trend goes to ever smaller operating voltages. The processor in the PC runs today already with less than 3 V, and digital electronics aims on a long-term basis at the 1-Volt-Durchbruch. Also attempts with electron tubes are ever more frequently accomplished with small tensions. The absolute record succeeded to me now with a UHF triode PC86: A high frequency oscillator with an anode voltage of 0.000 V. This ZVO (zero VOL days oscillator) will surely revolutionize the technology."

http://www.b-kainka.de/bastel87.htm

Otto you was able to collect some voltage in the capacitor.
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: giantkiller on March 31, 2009, 09:42:44 PM
January 14, 2008.
The yellow line is ground.
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: wings on March 31, 2009, 10:03:04 PM
January 14, 2008.
The yellow line is ground.

   
a horizontal tesla coil?
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: giantkiller on March 31, 2009, 10:16:56 PM
The pressure goes only 1 way when DC bias is introduced.
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Antimon on March 31, 2009, 10:32:30 PM
Now we know what is used to prevent runaway situation.

I think its the ONLY possibility to use feedback without a runaway event.

And i think that also in the SM devices they act as a magamp not for pulsing applications.

A.
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: BEP on April 01, 2009, 04:02:55 AM
Electrical oscillations without employment of electricity?

http://www.b-kainka.de/bastel87.htm


Wonderful little circuit isn't it?

UHF Triode/Tetrode configuration. Demonstrates the main difference between tubes and solid state devices,etc.

I built a 900 mHz walkie-talky in my youth that used this circuit as the receiver section. The only variation was it was a regenerative receiver. The tubes were the Nuvistor variety. The antenna was a 1/2 wavelength bare copper wire at 915 mHz.

Edit>> Just imagine a magnetostrictive zero voltage oscillator. All you would need to start it would be an impact or placement of a magnet to put torque on the core.
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: wattsup on April 01, 2009, 05:03:09 AM
Ahhhhhh. I need to take a breath of fresh OU air.
Notice parts of this forum is going to hell in a hand basket.

OK wattsup, calm down now. It will pass.

Can I take a right hand turn here for a moment regarding the center toroid in the FTPU and the advent of the device "running with gain".

For something to run with gain, something else has to act as the totalizing storage device otherwise I imagine that what was gained will be quickly lost. So where is there any possibility to reach some level of gain in the FTPU. Obviously those very small capacitors would not have enough uF to provide anything substantial, Also the outer coils and the two rings would not have enough inductance to act in any way as a storage component. So what does this leave.

Now during the demo, we can clearly see the voltage gradually rise then stabilize to about 60-62 volts so there has to be something acting as a power tank otherwise the complete device has to run with total production available like a flat capacitor or a flat battery.

We also know that SM was rather fond of Tesla although his comments on Tesla were rather few. IMHO.

OK so here is a scenario. Take 1. Action.

The center toroid has two coils. You put one of the coils is series with the outer coils and call it the coil of high inductance (just for arguments sake - lol). You take the other toroid coil and put it in series with the two outer rings and call it a primary coil set or the primary working coil. Now you simply make a set-up similiar to Teslas' Ozone Patent (I know I know) where you have the high inductance that is used to charge a capacitor, that then discharges into the primary of the working side. But what happened. There is no working secondary. No need, the coil of high inductance that is on the same toroid core then becomes the secondary that recharges the cap and the cycles continue back and forth on the same toroid and as the toroid core becomes more and more saturated, this makes more energy transfer from one side to the other.

I have been trying to make energy exit the system into a cap tank, when I think the answer is to keep the energy inside the system and make it grow.

I have already seen the outer coils are able to also provide mutual coupling which would aid in the cycling and also aid in "running with gain". The output voltage of the TPU is just a function of the maximum ability of the coils to maintain their mutual maximum stress levels.

To see if this effect is possible, I think I will have to start with a very low voltage source that would be far below the maximum saturation point of the core but enough to energize the copper masses. Only in this way could you actually see the effect otherwise it would be lost with higher starting voltages.

OK I will stop now and head back to my workbench. lol
I can breath now. Pheewww.

Keep well to all.
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: zerotensor on April 01, 2009, 05:17:44 AM
Here's a sketch for a simple experiment.

I picked up a spool of welding wire at an estate auction; it has a soft iron core and a copper coating-- hopefully I'll see some noteworthy effects, if i can ever get around to actually doing it... (my lab is a total wreck).  In the meantime, anyone else care to have a go?  GK, perhaps? seems to be right up your alley... anyone?...

Anyway, it's a pretty simple setup, and may yield some interesting results.

-Eric
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Thaelin on April 01, 2009, 05:40:01 AM
@ BEP
   Thoes frequencies were relative just to the point. The actuals were
                Fundamental    35705
               3rd harmonic     107115
               5th harmonic     178525
               7th harmonic     249935

This is where they would run for the 15".

The pdf is 88k so I will try to tag it on here. If not, I will up the upload area
Its name is 0903_Harmonics.pdf

thaelin


On an added note, funny how when you add the odd harmonics to a fundamental freq
how it goes from a sine to a square wave.
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Mannix on April 01, 2009, 06:30:40 AM
Thaelin,

you rule!


All, read up ....now build something that makes a mess of your rings.using bottles and coils


Then ...and only then after exhaustive mixing  tell me im full of it. Or there is not enough information

Lindsay

Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: forest on April 01, 2009, 09:02:26 AM
Excuse me because my English is not perfect and I can't understand "running with gain" sentence. Does it mean the usage of positive feedback to always adjust output power for wide range of attached loads automatically ?
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: BEP on April 01, 2009, 11:45:22 AM
@ BEP
   Thoes frequencies were relative just to the point. The actuals were
                Fundamental    35705
               3rd harmonic     107115
               5th harmonic     178525
               7th harmonic     249935

This is where they would run for the 15".

The pdf is 88k so I will try to tag it on here. If not, I will up the upload area
Its name is 0903_Harmonics.pdf

thaelin


On an added note, funny how when you add the odd harmonics to a fundamental freq
how it goes from a sine to a square wave.


Yes - Fourier takes over here.

Your frequencies tried aren't new. What may be new to some is applying two frequencies say 35705 + 245000 can yield 4935.
How? A magnetostrictive core it will resonate at audio freeks that are subharmonics of the driving freeks' result.

(35705 * 7) - 245000 = 4935

So you have two drive freeks - 35705 and 245000

The difference is 4935 ( as seen by the core in acoustic/magnetostrictive mode )

The circumference of that part is acoustically resonant at 4935 but has its own magnetic field bacause it is carrying current.

That field - being in the middle of these outer coils - acts like a moving iron core - (ETR)

etc.

Speculation only folks - try it - it works but I'm not running with gain - yet.


Wah-Wah-Wah   ;)
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: AhuraMazda on April 01, 2009, 11:51:19 AM

Some more information:
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: AhuraMazda on April 01, 2009, 12:00:44 PM
@Wattsup,
A few pages back I posted a link to a book called Practical transformer hand book.
When I first saw this title I thought "pah what can this book teach me about transformers? I know everything about them". Now I realize I was very stupid.

I suggest you look at it. This and the comments in my previous post are from the same book.

Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: wattsup on April 01, 2009, 01:34:30 PM
@AM

Will take another look. Thanks.

@forest

"Running with gain", simply means that at each cycle (or set of cycles) in the device, the energy increases inside the device until it reaches its maximum potential at which point a maximum output is available. This is not an official description but my own vulgarization.

Hmmmmm.

I think basically the most important thing I have realized with this is that testing should not be done with 12 or 24 volts but with only 2-3 volts. The device should be sensitive enough to provide some gain at that level and the structure should be strong enough to support and maintain itself at higher voltages.

Even with magnetostriction the moving conductor has to be sensitive enough to move at a fast enough rate and resistant enough to withstand the current flow.
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW- A New TPU Is Born
Post by: AhuraMazda on April 01, 2009, 01:34:38 PM
Every journey starts with a single step!
I know they say "A horse is a camel designed by a committee" but please send your comments either privately or publically and help me make this a reality.

If you think your government is looking out for you and your families interests then you are in the wrong thread.
I hope this will become a working TPU and a kick in the teeth of those scare-mongers who were saying "free energy would destroy the world economy." The world economy is already destroyed and we are the ones who have to fix it.

External diameter very close to 110 mm, Height 80mm
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Antimon on April 01, 2009, 02:48:11 PM
 ;D ;D ;D Sry, but good joke
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: AhuraMazda on April 01, 2009, 03:10:47 PM
;D ;D ;D Sry, but good joke

@Antimon
There are those who lead and those who follow. The rest should get out of the way.

TPUs are generally based on a toroidal core so, it is a good place to start.
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: dankie on April 01, 2009, 04:22:15 PM
;D ;D ;D Sry, but good joke

Where is The_Buzz , I miss that guy .

You people are just retarded , pollution everywhere on this site , cant breath  .
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: forest on April 01, 2009, 04:54:06 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lissajous_curve
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: giantkiller on April 01, 2009, 05:24:10 PM
Lissajous:
Magnet display of a infolding energy creating a vortex.

It is better to point towards knowledge than someone else, Dankie.

Tesla stated about the present national electrical power situation is "one of the most remarkable and inexplicable aberrations of the scientific mind which has ever been recorded in history"
This one time I am going to disagree with Sir Nikola. "We, Earthlings, have been doing in all our existance". You may kiss the ring.

We ground harmonic resonance from our consumptive energy generating systems. They would not be consumptive if we diminished thermionic waste and applied the 'UNWANTED' harmonics. This is what Tesla achieved! Ed Leedskalnin used bottles and coils. Hello?
If the aliens gave us flying saucers that worked we would put them in amusement parks. There is even a patent describing the folly.

On the thermal approach...
http://www.virginia.edu/ep/SurfaceScience/thermion.html
Current electrical designs approach the use of electricty like is fire. Oooo! Another great step for mankind. http://www.intalek.com/Index/Projects/Research/NegativeResistorAndMore.htm

--giantkiller.

Correction: It was Sweet who mentions microwatt biasing. ;)

Adjunct: Men of old, in concert, built a huge tower named after Babel. God said (Paraphrase) "No way, and don't waste your time with such folly for it goes nowhere!". Today we build bigger and better and don't need any help to destroy ourselves. HaHaHa!

Google: "The source charge problem".
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=The+source+charge+problem&aq=f&oq=
http://www.cheniere.org/techpapers/Fact_Sheets/Fact%20Sheet%20-%20Source%20Charge%20Problem10.doc
 .  Numbers of scientists have objected to the old “heat death” prediction of the second law anyway. E.g., Steinmetz had this to say: "The second law of thermodynamics is well founded on our experience.  The reasoning from this law as to the death of the universe is logical.  At the same time, the conclusion that the universe must run down is not reasonable.  If the universe is eternal, has existed since infinite time, then it should have run down an infinite time ago.  But if it is not eternal, but had a beginning, what was before?  How could energy begin without offending the first law, that of the conservation of energy?  Thus, in the final reasoning, we arrive at a contradiction." Quoted from Charles P. Steinmetz, "The Second Law of Thermodynamics and the 'Death' of Energy, with Notes on the Thermodynamics of the 'atmosphere'," General Electric Review, Vol. 15, July 1912.]
 .  E.g., Price states it this way: "…the major task of an account of thermodynamic asymmetry is to explain why the universe as we find it is so far from thermodynamic equilibrium, and was even more so in the past." (p. 36). And again: "A century or so ago, Ludwig Boltzmann and other physicists… attempted to explain the temporal asymmetry of the second law of thermodynamics.  …the hard-won lesson of that endeavor—a lesson still commonly misunderstood—was that the real puzzle of thermodynamics is not why entropy increases with time, but why it was ever so low in the first place." (p. 78). Quoted from Huw Price, Time's Arrow and Archimedes' Point, Oxford University Press, 1996, paperback 1997.  Our comment is that Leyton’s extension of Klein geometry to produce Leyton’s hierarchies of symmetry is the formal solution to the long-vexing time asymmetry problem of thermodynamics. The second law has simply been incomplete, and has erroneously not included negative entropy systems and interactions such as the source charge and its continuous production of negative entropy.

This is clear as a bell. Be sure to ring it twice. Ding, dong!

@ Thaelin,
Well, well, well... Doesn't the 'Harmonic Resonance pdf' prove out Tesla's Earthquake machine, Ed L.'s construction techniques, the exploding T.V., and Keely's atomic Disassocation. :o

@all,
I sincerely hope all this is clear?

--giantkiller(squared).
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: zapnic on April 01, 2009, 06:12:56 PM
hello
i was watching that howard johnson video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56kuk8rbABM&feature=channel_page
mmhh
what kind  wave tpu would make ?
and Tesla thunder  stuff he was using  rotating coherers mhh
is there any info for rotating coherers?
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: wings on April 01, 2009, 06:16:30 PM
......

http://pro.corbis.com/search/Enlargement.aspx?CID=isg&mediauid={1ADC403E-1025-4B92-B06E-0877576BD3FB}

http://www.borderlands.com/archives/arch/multipact.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multipactor_effect

Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: forest on April 01, 2009, 06:34:37 PM
The problem with high speed electrons is that they can exists only in vacuum or on wire surface maybe ,but not inside the wire. Imagine what is going on when high speed electrons are flowing on surface of wire.Internal electrons cannot move mostly as they have forbidden states.Heat is generated inside IMHO.
But what if we could create a kind of wire with non-conducting core having no free electrons with tiny conducting metalic surface... It's an idea for future.
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: forest on April 01, 2009, 06:39:13 PM
Multipactor is a good direction I think. Maybe it's time to talk about what electricity is ?
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Antimon on April 01, 2009, 06:52:33 PM
@Antimon
There are those who lead and those who follow. The rest should get out of the way.

TPUs are generally based on a toroidal core so, it is a good place to start.


Yeah, but what do you want? You post a picture of a pipe and want us to make a TPU out of this? Thats a joke for me, sry...

And i think you don't know with whom you are talking with, but its ok...

A.
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: BEP on April 01, 2009, 06:53:58 PM
On the speed issue I think this is where fine strand lamp cord comes in. Perhaps even why the cutaway of the large TPU shows two thin flat bands of something inside one set of two near the top vertical orientation and one set of two at the bottom horizontal orientation. Or was it th other way?

Either way would provide much more suface area than internal mass.
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Magnon on April 01, 2009, 07:05:58 PM
hello
i was watching that howard johnson video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56kuk8rbABM&feature=channel_page
mmhh
what kind  wave tpu would make ?
and Tesla thunder  stuff he was using  rotating coherers mhh
is there any info for rotating coherers?


TPU is creating a rotating polarization waves ( helicon waves ) with microwave frequensies.
The 'kicks' means magnetostrictive ( acoustic ) vibrations in a core material, this is needed to wobble electron spin precession axis, that leads to microwave emission.

--Magnon
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Thaelin on April 01, 2009, 07:49:19 PM
   That is exactly why he used lamp cord. High amp rating and multistranded for the higher freq.
The key will be extraction of the excess without destroying the Q factor and watch it go away. I
did some frequency comparisons and at 5K, the average Q was 60. Now jump that up to 35k
and I was seeing 400. So if I tune just close enough to get output but not kill it ...  well you get the
picture dont you? He did say not to tune too close.
   This weekend is a long one, so I am going to light up a few coil/caps. My biggest problem is to
find an AC cap that will handle 600v and not cost a fortune. The 1uf is not a problem. Got two of
them at 1Kv.

more later

thaelin
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: AhuraMazda on April 01, 2009, 07:52:15 PM

Multipicator effect is a good idea but it seems to happen in vaccum.

This comment from Aspden seems to fit the TPU:

"Vacuum spin" consists of cylindrical or spherical pockets of aether spinning inside coextensive matter, and developing powerful electric fields. While these fields are canceled by unseen ionization or polarization in matter, the spin does develop kinetic energies from an electrical coupling with outer space by the phase-lock of a quantum synchronization with the surrounding aether. The kinetic energy obtained with low electrical input power amounts to more than a billion joules per cubic meter -- thus providing an over-unity prospect. By regenerating the spin condition cyclically, one can access aether energy at a power rate determined by the pulse frequency and the physical volume of the 'vacuum spin' form. Independent experiments, and relationship to the so-called N-machine will be discussed.



Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: zapnic on April 01, 2009, 07:53:14 PM
TPU is creating a rotating polarization waves ( helicon waves ) with microwave frequensies.
The 'kicks' means magnetostrictive ( acoustic ) vibrations in a core material, this is needed to wobble electron spin precession axis, that leads to microwave emission.

--Magnon
so
Stevie boy  is saying  that his extra energy is earth magnetfield 
so tell me more ?
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: AhuraMazda on April 01, 2009, 07:58:41 PM
Yeah, but what do you want? You post a picture of a pipe and want us to make a TPU out of this? Thats a joke for me, sry...

And i think you don't know with whom you are talking with, but its ok...

A.

Antimon,
Don't take my comment to heart. Please join in the discussion.
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: turbo on April 01, 2009, 08:01:54 PM
A picture say's more then a thousand words...... ::)



Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: forest on April 01, 2009, 08:16:11 PM
What if electron is a wave  flowing with speed much higher then light speed, but we don't allow him to act as a wave. What is going on when somebody disturb normal wave  propagation ? A lot of noise is generated, interference patterns - particles.But there are ways to do clever interference with exact wave sources, knowing how they interference in space. Then we could move interference patters with high speed around and produce new patterns in place of "used" ones.
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: AhuraMazda on April 01, 2009, 08:20:09 PM
Did SM buy his mansion before or after selling out his TPU design?
I am sure even in US this mansion was/is pretty expensive for an engineer which is what SM was.

I have had my own periods of distrust but at the moment I say TPU is not fake.
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: MACEDONIA CD on April 01, 2009, 08:58:42 PM
@ahura mazda 

yes  mast be  real if  we whill not be here   ;)

 THANKS FRIEND 
 
WE ALL BEALEAVET  IN GOD   REALY  BUT  WE CANT SEE   
AND STILL BEALEAVET   

WE SEE TPU  AND BEALEAVET 
IF  IS  FAKE TPU   WE WHILL MAKE  TO BE REAL 
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Magnon on April 01, 2009, 09:47:21 PM
so
Stevie boy  is saying  that his extra energy is earth magnetfield 
so tell me more ?

The frequency of electron spin precession depends directly on applied external magnetic field, This frequency is very sensitive to changes for external magnetic field strenght, even earth magnetic field causes differensies to this frequency. This is why TPU is difficult to tune. If you turn the TPU upside down, the total external magnetic field changes over the TPU and is the reason, why TPU must be turn upside down in a southern side of earth ( Earth magnetic field is almost vertical and direction of the field is different on southern side of earth ). Microwave emission is created only when acoustic wavelenght is exactly the same with electron spin precession frequency. This is why SM believes that the earth magnetic field is the energy source.
See also, how SM changes the magnetic bias with magnets in his hands nearby the TPU.

The Earth magnetic field is a part of energy source in a TPU, but only indirectly, because created microwave emission nested cylindrical shape pattern works only as a guide to collect charged particles from the environment nearby.


--Magnon

Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: giantkiller on April 01, 2009, 09:48:17 PM
What if electron is a wave  flowing with speed much higher then light speed, but we don't allow him to act as a wave. What is going on when somebody disturb normal wave  propagation ? A lot of noise is generated, interference patterns - particles.But there are ways to do clever interference with exact wave sources, knowing how they interference in space. Then we could move interference patters with high speed around and produce new patterns in place of "used" ones.

Yo, dude!
Nice call! Nobody has seen an electron yet.

The Mansion has only one value and it isn't real estate.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: turbo on April 01, 2009, 10:03:10 PM
Did SM buy his mansion before or after selling out his TPU design?
I am sure even in US this mansion was/is pretty expensive for an engineer which is what SM was.

I have had my own periods of distrust but at the moment I say TPU is not fake.

Well from what i heard Steven rented that mansion and i don't think he rented it for a long period of time.

Remember the Spheric Audio Labs?
What has become Extreme Laboratories Inc...
The place where the speakers were designed and where all the sensitive equipment like high quality spectrum analyzers were?
You should check out what was over their building  :)

 
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Antimon on April 01, 2009, 11:40:58 PM
Yeah me too. Quite interesting view. There are many theories but maybe you can get a little more into.

A.
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: giantkiller on April 02, 2009, 04:16:31 AM
Well from what i heard Steven rented that mansion and i don't think he rented it for a long period of time.

Remember the Spheric Audio Labs?
What has become Extreme Laboratories Inc...
The place where the speakers were designed and where all the sensitive equipment like high quality spectrum analyzers were?
You should check out what was over their building  :)

 


Get the range of years, go to the county court house with the address, find the owner, give 'em a call.
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on April 02, 2009, 03:12:29 PM
Hmm...

I have a question for y'all.  Has anyone figured out how Tesla was able to demonstrate power from nowhere?  He just had some tubes, wire caps and resistors.  How about his electric car?  Pretty much the same ingredients. 

And then we come to SM and his wonderful, drive you crazy, make you study and think, clues.  Some tubes, some wire, caps and resistors and again we have power from nowhere.  SM gave us all the information we need to understand it, and then to build it, of this I am sure.  But the understanding takes a while.  And then the finer details worked out by experimentation.

Would you like to hear a crazy man's idea of how both Tesla and SM were able to do it?  I will just state the how I think part, not the physics.  I will leave that to more learned men. 

Have you ever wondered why SM was so convinced at first that the power "converter" received it's power from the earth's magnetic field?

Have you ever wondered what SM saw in his HV back to back transformer experiment?

I think that Tesla found his magnetometer picking up huge magnetic waves near some thunderstorms.  Later he made a magnetic loop antenna, tuned to one of those waves (Specific VHF frequencies, VLF Magnetic loop antenna)  Then he found that with the tubes he could artificially combine these frequencies over the mag loop antenna and you get power out.

SM perhaps made each collector as a magnetic loop antenna.  Tuned each one to resonate as a mag loop antenna at either 7.23 or 7.3 hz (VLF) This is easy to do with a bit of calculus and is different than "resonance" as one normally thinks of it.  The Magnetic loop antenna is more sensitive to the "magnetic field" and then the "electrical field" for resonance.

The circuit potential is as Lindsay's TPU stack shown many times.  The collectors are tuned to VLF as stated.  The frequencies are artificially created within the circumference of the collector, and then you have the "phenomenon of magnetic collection".  If you have the diameter and circumference of the antenna then you can solve ALL of the other parts.  15" inches in case anyone forgot.

A high speed particle accelerator. 

Two triode VHF tubes, three VHF frequencies, and each of three collectors tuned to the VLF, just off of, as SM warned, the frequency of power conversion, or "center frequency with the circumference of the collectors."

Just my latest ramblings... Nothing but speculation, conjecture and theory.  Please pay no mind to me.

Please see the math and theory below to build the circuit potential (collectors) properly.
http://sidstation.lionelloudet.homedns.org/antenna-theory-en.xhtml

Sample from above link:
"The inductive magnetic field across the loop depends on the magnetic component of the electro-magnetic wave (called H or magnetic field strength) and on the magnetic permeability of the loop core."

P.S.  Our electromagnetic waves are artificially tapped into with the VHF three frequencies in the control coils.

Edit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_loop

Warm regards to all,

Bruce

Hi everyone Good day!!!

I beleive this post is one of the major secret of TPU finally revealed !
very good post !

God bless
otits 
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on April 02, 2009, 03:48:01 PM
Hi everyone

I just realized this, tesla dreamed and made a wireless technology, and it was used in his tesla car, Henry Morray made and replicate it also, now SM talk about frequency, antenna seems to be as their main source of input electricity.

Therefore i conclude as the fact says that they all discover how to amplify a small source
of energy!
8) 

Now the question to all should be

HOW TO AMPLIFY A SMALL SOURCE OF WATTS ??????????
or HOW TO MAKE A CONTROLLED LOOP ACCUMULATING ENERGY ????

my some guess maybe

a) use tubes?
b) special wire arrangement ?
c) adding some chemicals like radium chloride?
d) transistor or mosfets ?
E) anymore idea?

God bless  ;D
otits
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: forest on April 02, 2009, 07:39:12 PM
Hi everyone

I just realized this, tesla dreamed and made a wireless technology, and it was used in his tesla car, Henry Morray made and replicate it also, now SM talk about frequency, antenna seems to be as their main source of input electricity.

Therefore i conclude as the fact says that they all discover how to amplify a small source
of energy!
8) 

Now the question to all should be

HOW TO AMPLIFY A SMALL SOURCE OF WATTS ??????????
or HOW TO MAKE A CONTROLLED LOOP ACCUMULATING ENERGY ????

my some guess maybe

a) use tubes?
b) special wire arrangement ?
c) adding some chemicals like radium chloride?
d) transistor or mosfets ?
E) anymore idea?

God bless  ;D
otits

maybe
E) divide signal into harmonics and let them grow indepedently, then collect all
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Magnon on April 02, 2009, 09:45:06 PM
I  really enjoying your posts.

Could you maybe tell us more, how do you think the earth magnetic field is different on the southern side?


Direction of the earth magnetic field on earth surface is different on northern and southern side of the earth.
Therefore a magnetic field  direction over the TPU is different, depending if TPU is moved to northern or southern side of the earth and if TPU is not turned around.
The total magnetic field consists of field made by coil in a TPU core + earth magnetic field over the TPU.

There is no need for strong guide field. The created guide, nested cylindrical EM field can be weak, it starts to suck energy from the environment and run with a gain.


--Magnon
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on April 03, 2009, 04:41:26 AM
Hi everyone

A message of concern, i feel that they are pushing us to buy tubes  ;D

Yes i agree it is a good current producer
but what i see is that tube is not the real answer  ??? 

I smell something fishy, what do you think?  ;D


actually we can make our own homemade tubes using auto bulbs, just open it  put some needed material of a triode then thats it no need to buy just think. don't forget to use epoxy to sealed it again  8)
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Magnon on April 03, 2009, 04:50:33 PM
Does the magnetic inclination cause frequency change in the device, so the circuit have to follow the direction of the field, when we moving to different places?

The earth magnetic field strenght changes in between 0.3 Gauss to 0.6 Gauss, depending mostly on latitude.
To demonstrate the magnetic field effect on electron spin precession frequency, here is a calculator for this,

http://www.gamma.ethz.ch/online/esr/vcalc/index.html#ESRCALC2

You can also use Excel TPU phonon calculator for this calculation.

If you have a 0.6 Gauss earth magnetic field, it gives a 1.6 MHz spin precession frequency for the electron.
This means that TPU must be tuned so that the local earth field strenght is calculated in a design.

Typical applied total magnetic field strenght in a TPU seems to be around 0.22T, this gives about 3 cm wavelenght ( 6 GHz ) for microwave emission.
Because every unpaired or free electron works as a small transducer, when wobbled by acoustic wave with a same wavelenght, there is not one, but a huge amount of small microwave transducers in a TPU.
The electron spin precession axis are aligned parallel to applied magnetic field and the direction of the microwave radiation emission follows this direction. So, if TPU is on the table in a horizontal position, the microwave radiation direction is vertical.
To your question, the electron spin precession  frequency can change about 2-3 MHz in a TPU, depending on latitude and direction in between TPU and local earth magnetic field. This can be enough to off tune the TPU

--Magnon
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: giantkiller on April 03, 2009, 04:58:57 PM
Hi everyone

A message of concern, i feel that they are pushing us to buy tubes  ;D

Yes i agree it is a good current producer
but what i see is that tube is not the real answer  ??? 

I smell something fishy, what do you think?  ;D


The magnetic field around the conductor is a tube. ;D

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Magnon on April 03, 2009, 11:49:53 PM
maybe
E) divide signal into harmonics and let them grow indepedently, then collect all

Some answers to your questions,

1. How to amplify small source of watts?

Build a guide EM field to compress and suck the energy from the environment.

The environment is full of charges and ions, and spacetime itself has an electric nature.
Collect and compress this energy.

If you build a nested cylindrical EM field, then the charges, that are under the influence of the nested EM field, are sucked into system and can not escape. Use this collected energy / spacetime compression .Spacetime compression means that the local time is curved, compared to average spacetime on earth surface.

2. How to make a controlled loop accumalaiting energy?

When you play with a microwaves, the wavelenght is on cm range. This means that one turn antenna can be used to transfer a lot of energy ( collector on TPU ). This is what happens with a TPU.
There is a phenomena that explains the TPU and it is a magnetoacoustic resonance effect, that is known since 1960. But if you tune this frequency so that it creates a nested cylindrical field without subharmonics ( prime numbers of waves on devices circumference ), it starts to suck energy from the environment nearby.

--Magnon
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on April 04, 2009, 12:56:35 PM
Some answers to your questions,

1. How to amplify small source of watts?

Build a guide EM field to compress and suck the energy from the environment.

The environment is full of charges and ions, and spacetime itself has an electric nature.
Collect and compress this energy.

If you build a nested cylindrical EM field, then the charges, that are under the influence of the nested EM field, are sucked into system and can not escape. Use this collected energy / spacetime compression .Spacetime compression means that the local time is curved, compared to average spacetime on earth surface.

2. How to make a controlled loop accumalaiting energy?

When you play with a microwaves, the wavelenght is on cm range. This means that one turn antenna can be used to transfer a lot of energy ( collector on TPU ). This is what happens with a TPU.
There is a phenomena that explains the TPU and it is a magnetoacoustic resonance effect, that is known since 1960. But if you tune this frequency so that it creates a nested cylindrical field without subharmonics ( prime numbers of waves on devices circumference ), it starts to suck energy from the environment nearby.

--Magnon


Hi sir good day!

Theoretically your correct, can you demonstrate a simple example sir  ;)

God bless
otits
 
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on April 04, 2009, 01:03:53 PM
The magnetic field around the conductor is a tube. ;D

--giantkiller.

oh i see i'm learning sir  ;D

you're great  ;) therefore no need for vacuum tubes  ;D

otits
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Magnon on April 04, 2009, 05:03:00 PM
Hi sir good day!

Theoretically your correct, can you demonstrate a simple example sir  ;)

God bless
otits
 


Here is a few example about this phenomena.
In a Roschin & Godin SEG replication project there was measured a nested EM field around the SEG, see the picture. There was 23 rollers around the stator.

Lakhovskys multiple wave generator, he was using nested loops that creates a nested EM fields.

The idea is that when a phase changes in a cylindrical formed wall, the charge will move to next inner wall. For example electron, when it feels that the wall charge changes to be negative, will move to next inner wall, that has a positive charge. This way you can collect and compress charges from the environment nearby.

--Magnon



Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Bruce_TPU on April 05, 2009, 05:58:21 AM
maybe
E) divide signal into harmonics and let them grow indepedently, then collect all

Hi Forest,

Yes, that is a part of it, but you subtract them (IF's) down, and then you must understand how to use them to create power.  To understand that, look to Tesla and his work in Colorado Springs and his discovery there. 

We need to understand that there is a magnetic component attached to "certain" frequency's that are much stronger than a normal mag field.  Create hundred's of thousands of these magnetic kicks within the circumference of the collectors, going in both directions, and you are using Litz for your collectors, and ....

It is amazingly engineered, eloquently designed.  Sophisticated beyond it's years in operation, but relatively simple in parts.  One Mag loop antenna plus three VHF Triode Tube amps.  Some filters, caps and resistors and that's it.  DC Bias the collectors. 

We are building...
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on April 06, 2009, 04:57:55 AM
@ magnon good day !


thank you very much sir  ;)



God bless
otits
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on April 06, 2009, 04:59:32 AM
Hi Forest,

Yes, that is a part of it, but you subtract them (IF's) down, and then you must understand how to use them to create power.  To understand that, look to Tesla and his work in Colorado Springs and his discovery there. 

We need to understand that there is a magnetic component attached to "certain" frequency's that are much stronger than a normal mag field.  Create hundred's of thousands of these magnetic kicks within the circumference of the collectors, going in both directions, and you are using Litz for your collectors, and ....

It is amazingly engineered, eloquently designed.  Sophisticated beyond it's years in operation, but relatively simple in parts.  One Mag loop antenna plus three VHF Triode Tube amps.  Some filters, caps and resistors and that's it.  DC Bias the collectors. 

We are building...


great !

otits  ;D
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Grumpy on April 06, 2009, 02:28:56 PM
I  really enjoying your posts.

Could you maybe tell us more, how do you think the earth magnetic field is different on the southern side?

Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Paul-R on April 06, 2009, 03:41:17 PM
If this drawing is accurate, then a compass would not work at the equator.
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: forest on April 06, 2009, 04:10:37 PM
The drawings are more accurate then older concept but still not correct. Anyway it shows important FACT, in the middle between N and S there is neutral line when induced magnetic field changes polarity.It's so easy to prove it. Just use N-S magnet and piece of soft iron. Slide iron from N to S slowly and you will find what I'm talking about...
Disregarding true magnetic field shape, one should imagine that if Ed Leedscalnin was right and magnetic field is rather magnetic current, it's speed is limited. Thus magnetic field is really an oscillation of very high frequency.
It is easy to imagine once you realize that N and S sources of magnetic current throw tiny particles and each jet need time to reach point in space. In that point of space magnetic field strength is then variable...
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: giantkiller on April 06, 2009, 04:32:58 PM
Modifying bloch walls by constrictions
References and further reading may be available for this article. To view references and further reading you must purchase this article.
P.-O. Jubert,  and R. Allenspach
IBM Research, Zurich Research Laboratory, Säumerstrasse 4, CH-8803 Rüschlikon, Switzerland

Available online 15 December 2004.

Abstract
The properties of Bloch-type magnetic domain walls pinned in geometrical constrictions are studied using micromagnetic simulations. In agreement with the one-dimensional analytical model proposed earlier it is found that the wall width is reduced in constrictions smaller than the unconstrained wall width. However, the calculated wall type and its width differ quantitatively from those of the model. These differences are related to dipolar contributions and the possibility for the wall to bend outside the constriction

New Method to Measure Directly the 180° Bloch Wall Energy
J. Appl. Phys. 34, 1321 (1963); DOI:10.1063/1.1729491
Issue Date: April 1963

 What's New in the Abstract View

 
ABSTRACTCITING ARTICLES Roland Aléonard, Pierre Brissonneau, and Louis Néel
Laboratoire d'Electrostatique et de Physique du Métal, Grenoble, France

Using the Bitter technique, the traces of a single 180° Bloch wall are observed by a device composed of two microscopes, one on each side of the sample. The wall is twisted by an inhomogeneous magnetic field. The measured displacements of the wall traces are related to the surface energy 0 of the Bloch wall which in turn is related to the Heisenberg exchange constant A.In an iron-silicon alloy with 3% Si we find 0=1.48 ergs/cm2 and A=1.48×10–6 ergs/cm at room temperature, in fair agreement with the value A~1.7×10–6 ergs/cm derived from Bloch's law and spin-wave theory at 0°K. ©1963 The American Institute of Physics
Permalink: http://link.aip.org/link/?JAPIAU/34/1321/2

And moving it from North to south should prove interesting. Coils at 90degrees might be involved in this. And where would the Bloch wall be in a Toriodial field?

Ref: http://merlib.org/tag/bloch-wall

And another one of our own: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6759.msg155621#msg155621

--giantkiller.
 
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: wings on April 06, 2009, 05:32:57 PM
If this drawing is accurate, then a compass would not work at the equator.

see this:

http://www.nanomagnetics.us/anothermoebius3.jpg

more

http://www.nanomagnetics.us/magnetic%20anomaly.pdf
http://www.nanomagnetics.us/EFD_1_3.pdf

Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Grumpy on April 06, 2009, 05:55:27 PM
Bloch wall (see attached image):

Image at this link shows the reversal at the Bloch Wall:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/antigravityworldgrid/images/antigravitywg054.gif
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: AhuraMazda on April 06, 2009, 09:31:12 PM
My summation of this thread so far is that the Bloch wall and the SM's TPU go hand in hand.
There are Similarities with Sweets VTA and Stan Meyer's VIC.

So we need to create a blotch wall effect using a bifilarly wound coil on a magnetically neutral core. A weak biasing would be needed to nullify the earths magnetic field. The coils are then pulsed with a very precision wave form but out of phase. The collector coil is wound orthonigally i.e. right angle. Any takers?
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: miroslav on April 06, 2009, 09:33:49 PM
hi all
in download   HJ's Secret World of Magnets

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item251

 :)
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: giantkiller on April 07, 2009, 05:01:36 AM
My summation of this thread so far is that the Bloch wall and the SM's TPU go hand in hand.
There are Similarities with Sweets VTA and Stan Meyer's VIC.

So we need to create a blotch wall effect using a bifilarly wound coil on a magnetically neutral core. A weak biasing would be needed to nullify the earths magnetic field. The coils are then pulsed with a very precision wave form but out of phase. The collector coil is wound orthonigally i.e. right angle. Any takers?

You're done. 8)

Two eclipsing fields on a magnetic field. Most of Otto's drawings point to this. Or a frequency wrapped around itself. Eclipsing again. GK4 and noisy.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: AhuraMazda on April 08, 2009, 01:02:42 AM
Time for a break.
This video is 1.5 hours but there is a lot of good bits in it. As usual, some parts are better than others.

UFO - Evidence - William Lyne 2004 - Hitler's Secret Flying ...
http://video.google.co.uk/videosearch?q=willima+lyne&emb=0#
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Thaelin on April 09, 2009, 01:17:14 AM
   This is a question I have been thinking on for a while. Not sure if it will in topic with the torrid.
Every time I look at the 15", I look at the two smaller torrids and ask my self if they could be used
to shift phase?  Would that be a possible thing with them?

thaelin
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: giantkiller on April 09, 2009, 03:48:04 AM
Well we were given instructions to squeeze the hose, canon balls, cancel the flux. There are all indictations of applied perturbations to the surrounding magnetic field. The saturable reactor / magnetic amps do just this. So if you let the flux build up in the core you lose external current flow till the core is filled, Leedskalnin. Squeeze the flux shows the current going elsewhere. After the core is filled then we have excess.

--giantkiller.

   This is a question I have been thinking on for a while. Not sure if it will in topic with the torrid.
Every time I look at the 15", I look at the two smaller torrids and ask my self if they could be used
to shift phase?  Would that be a possible thing with them?

thaelin

Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: otto on April 09, 2009, 06:34:51 AM
Hello all,

maybe this helps??

My picture in the "is Lindsays SM a fraud" thread. Page 105 and 106.

Now imagine we have to work with the 7. harmonic. How many Bloch walls are then there. How many "magnets"??

Otto
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: wings on April 09, 2009, 08:56:34 AM
Hello all,

maybe this helps??

My picture in the "is Lindsays SM a fraud" thread. Page 105 and 106.

Now imagine we have to work with the 7. harmonic. How many Bloch walls are then there. How many "magnets"??

Otto

..........www.intalek.com/Index/Projects/Patents/DE3024814.pdf......
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Mannix on April 09, 2009, 01:34:24 PM
..........www.intalek.com/Index/Projects/Patents/DE3024814.pdf......

this uses a fero core Steven did not

The multiple segmenting method is surely another way of mixing  frequencies in the ring.
squeeze the hose a bit at a time? 
Sauron was putting this method foward , some time ago.
has any body tried this?
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Grumpy on April 09, 2009, 05:07:05 PM
this uses a fero core Steven did not

The multiple segmenting method is surely another way of mixing  frequencies in the ring.
squeeze the hose a bit at a time? 
Sauron was putting this method foward , some time ago.
has any body tried this?

The core in the patent mentioned above is "magnetized".


Chernetsky (Russian) also worked with modulated opposing magentic fields.
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Magnon on April 09, 2009, 07:49:39 PM
"Squeeze the hose" - SM means deformation in a core that is caused by magnetostrictive / electrostrictive effect.
TPU is a relative simple device, just use right corematerial and tune to magnetoacoustic resonance and TPU start to collect charges and energies from the environment nearby.

--Magnon
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: otto on April 10, 2009, 06:53:42 AM
Hello all,

@Mannix

I tried it and it was OK but there is something....

Lets think a little bit about the "hose": what is the hose in our TPU??

Otto
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Phantasm on April 10, 2009, 08:19:41 AM
Hey guys..

I really cant say that I'm knowledgeable in the area so please take my thoughts with a grain of salt but...

I recall that there was mention of EM forces (back EMF??) in a working TPU that would cause the tpu to shake a bit when working --- Like in a generator, similar forces are experienced when the rotor works against the magfields to induce current... Someone here once mentioned that they thought that a working TPU was similar to what was happening inside a generator, only without a rotor.

Is it possible the "Squeeze the hose" analogy could be the means by which we get this Back EMF building up in a TPU by working it round the TPU Slowly?

Reminds me of watching a car wheel rotate at speed - sometimes it can appear to slowly rotate in reverse if the rpm is just right... Can Back EMF be induced by tuning just off of the harmonic freqs so as to 'squeeze' the flux saturated core?

Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: forest on April 10, 2009, 09:45:13 AM
"Squeeze the hose"

Take two perpendicular forces capable of pushing charges on surface.Arrange them against each other but perpendicular to wire surface.Then move them synchronised along the wire surface.There is longitudinal action of two opposite forces in balance.

This is my exact interpretation of "squeeze the hose". If you imagine a hose filled with water and your two fingers acting on hose in the same point, then you will easily see how sliding fingers in such arrangement on hose will push water inside in one direction.

Now we only need to find how to produce this effect.... ::)
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: otto on April 10, 2009, 10:06:49 AM
Hello all,

@forest

to move them along the wire surface gives NOTHING!!!

Guys, think a little bit.

We are squeezing the hose for .....how many years now??

We have the collector(s) and have the controls wound around this collectors, all around the circumference. Or not??

Now, if we pulse the controls we have squeezed the hose. Or not??

As you see we are already doing this.

Result: nothing special.

Read "dfros" posts.

Otto

PS: as Im older Im more and more "blind".
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: BEP on April 10, 2009, 01:36:40 PM
Hello all,

@forest

to move them along the wire surface gives NOTHING!!!

Guys, think a little bit.

We are squeezing the hose for .....how many years now??

We have the collector(s) and have the controls wound around this collectors, all around the circumference. Or not??

Now, if we pulse the controls we have squeezed the hose. Or not??

As you see we are already doing this.

Result: nothing special.

Read "dfros" posts.

Otto

PS: as Im older Im more and more "blind".

Yes. Many have squeezed the hose. My question is which hose?

And if there is, at first, no hose? --- Amp probe seeing current (or simply a powerful magnetic field ) in the 'air' within the TPU....

I think we should stop squeezing the cores. I think the TPU -is- the hose and the water flow is vertical but twisting as it flows.

Anyone unfamiliar with @dfro's posts? If so, stop, read and understand.

BEP
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: wings on April 10, 2009, 02:25:15 PM
dfro's posts
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: wings on April 10, 2009, 02:34:13 PM
dfro's posts

2° part Otto work

Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: BEP on April 10, 2009, 03:51:10 PM
 :o

Now overlay the posts of @TSL.
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Phantasm on April 10, 2009, 04:03:44 PM
For ease of reference:

otto,

   I would like to ask some questions about your TPU design.  I preface my comments and questions by saying that I don't understand your design yet and I will be trying to get up to speed on other threads.  I am a total beginner in this, so take what I say much like a child asking, "why is the sky blue." (That is actually a very deep question, by the way.)  Anyway...

   I think you have got the essential nature of the device.  Your results are very exciting!  I think you and the other researchers are heroes.  I am not certain why you have the 4" loop.  I seem to remember that you are using it to pick up the rising magnetic field caused by the control coils.  Could one or more multi-turn coils in the vertical plane be essential to stability of the device?  All of SM's devices have a vertical rim.  If there was not a need for something oriented vertically, I think he would have made it flat.  On his smallest device, it looks like there is a single vertical coil wrapped around some kind of core in the middle.  On the device where he places two magnets, he has what look like four metal cores with what I imagine would be coils wrapped around them.  Could these coils, which I think are in series with the collector coil, be essential for stability.  Could the extra inductance help seed the signal? Maybe SM found that placing vertical coils in between the control coils helped in some way.

   Also, why not try to step up the control coil voltage using pulses, diodes and caps?  Maybe a little higher voltage and more inductance is one of the keys to the TPU not running away on you.  Could this make it easier to stay well off of a perfect frequency conversion while still getting your seed that builds?

Just some thoughts.
Hello fellow reverse engineers.

I have been following this forum, watching the videos, and pondering how the TPU works.  I think it is an authentic freedom energy device.

I consider myself very much a novice in electronics, but maybe my conjectures could shed some new light on the "guess what answer I am thinking of" game we are all trying to play here with SM.  Please, pardon any major electronics dumb statements I make that reveal my inexperience in this field.  I hope my thoughts are not too disorganized and hard to follow, also.

I would like to start by commenting about the "rotating magnetic field" mystery.  I have been thinking a lot about that.  What I think is happening is SM has set up sets of inductive coils that are oriented in two, possibly three different directions.  On his small device there is the collector coil, which is wrapped around the circumference of the main circle.  I think he has wrapped the collector coil around the circumference several times, but since the wire strands are packed in with no kind of wrapping orientation (the strands are not wrapped side by side along a core or hollow tube), the magnetic flux lines look like they would be for a single strand. However, he has augmented the collector coil with other vertical coils, which seem to be wrapped around metal cores (and on which he placed the magnets in one video).  These windings could be extensions of the collector coil and connected in series with it and each other.  The input coils are oriented in such a way that their flux lines are 90 degrees to the output coil and vertical coils.  Again, I think the collector coil is somehow wired in series with the vertical coils.  Other sets of coils, which I don't see in any of the pictures could be oriented as if the windings were wrapping around imaginary wheel spokes. 

I also think this device is harnessing and augmenting the radiant energy surges that come from very quick, high voltage pulses.  I remember Bedini or Tesla or Bearden saying that the more resistance across the voltage spike, the more electrons that piles up on the negative side of the circuit being excited.  The trick is to let the electrons pile up and then switch them into the circuit without destroying the dipole .  The inductive coils seem to be perfect for this.  The voltage spike hits the input coil, the high inductive reactance resists electron flow and then as the magnetic field builds and collapses, the electrons move.  I think he has all of the coils attached to capacitors to create resonant tank circuits.  Also, I think he might have a diode in series with the capacitors of the tank circuits so that the current can only flow in one direction (maybe not, though).  No current is ever allowed to flow when the pulse hits the coil.  The kick hits a back-emf wall when it occurs, pulls in the radiant energy current surge, and then lets the current flow in the input coil when the induced magnetic field is building and decaying.  With the current flowing in the input coil, its magnetic flux induces a current and flux in the collector coil.  Using the flux created in the collector coil is one of the secrets, I think.

I also think he is using a small battery in all the devices to run the pulse control circuitry.  I imagine there are a few 555 ic's that are driving some kind of fast, high voltage mosfet driver to make 1 to 4 sets of very fast, short on-time pulses, which are harmonics of each other.  I would suggest doing pulse ratios that are in the Fibonacci series or each pulse being the previous pulse times phi.  However, the pulses may be tuned to a chord, like a major chord - root, fifth, octave, tenth (just a thought).  He has written about striking the right chord, correct?  I also think he has a solid state diode/cap circuit to step up the voltage from the battery for the pulses.  I remember reading about how to do this using diodes, caps, and pulses - it is basic stuff, which I don't know how to do yet.

When the fast, high voltage kick hits the first input coil and inducing current, its flux lines build and cut through the collector coil, causing current to be induced in the collector coil.  It also induces current in the vertically oriented coils that are adjacent to the first input coil.  I imagine that these are wired in series with the collector coil. The magnetic flux has just spun 90 degrees and moved over from input coil 1 to vertical collector coil 1.  I also imagine that the adjacent vertical coil is wrapped in such a way that it induces a current (and thus magnetic flux)  in the second input coil.  So when the now faster (1.618: 1 faster?) kicks hit the second coil, there is already current moving and flux building.  The second input coil is also attached to a resonant tank circuit which is tuned to have its resonant peak at the frequency of the pulses. I think the collector coil and its vertical coils have caps in series, also.  They form part of a LC resonant tank circuit but also store the voltage to power any attached load.  It think the collector coil with the vertical coils is tuned to have its resonance at the lowest fundamental frequency, and the input coils are harmonics of that - possibly odd order harmonics, Fibonacci series, phi, major chord, or empirically tuned by watching the behavior on a scope.

 When the kicks on coil 2 pull in the radiant energy current surge, that induces current and flux in the collector coil and the next adjacent vertical coil, which is wrapped in such a way that it induces current and flux in the next input coil (3).  This continues around the circle with the magnetic field cork screwing around the circumference of the main collector coil circle.  When the magnetic surge makes it round the circuit, it acts as positive feedback for the first input coil.  I also think this cork-screwing and spinning of the magnetic fields pulls in more radiant energy, which causes the current to keep flowing in the same direction.   If the pulses and resonance were optimized, the tpu would quickly pull in too much voltage and cause catastrophic arcs through the wire insulation or capacitor insulation.  This is why SM tunes the circuit off frequency slightly.  You can also see he has put fuses on the big tpu device.

I do not think the earth's magnetic resonance is critical to the operating of the tpu.  It is a radiant energy device pulling its energy from the vacuum.  I think you can pick different sets of frequencies.  In his first small device, maybe SM thought the earth's vibrating magnetic field played a role, but the later devices vibrated much faster.  By setting up his device to resonate at 7.3 Hz, maybe there was a significant braking effect from the earth's flux that happened when he turned the device upside down.  The magnet on the small device probably just triggered a magnetic switch that turned on the device.  He has said that the magnets are not critical to the operation of the device, correct?  On the larger device where he turns it on by placing two magnets, I think that he purposely underwound those two coils so that they would not produce enough flux to keep the positive feedback building.  The magnets were used to augment the flux of those two coils and allow the turbine effect to build. 

Also, I think that high ohm leakage resistors are placed in parallel with each capacitor in the various tank circuits.  On the large tpu it looks like he has resistors across the pair of vertically oriented caps.  These dissipate the voltage on the caps when the device is turned off as a safety measure.  They also serve to bleed some of the current and create some extra ac "hash" on the dc current, which causes additional resonance in the tank circuits.  It also causes the vibration of the device, which also contributes to the flux of adjacent coils inducing more voltage and current much like a guitar pickup picks up the vibration of a metal string.  Maybe all of the coil wire should be ferrous? Has SM said anything about what kind of metal the wire is made of?  This vibration and the current drawn from the device when it is powering a load are what cause the device to heat up.  I imagine having a bank of several units wired in parallel to abate overheating issues.

On the big tpu device the inductive coils in the center might be there because he needed a certain amount of induction for his vertical collector coils, but he did not need all of the coil to be close to the input coils creating the positive magnetic feedback.  It may have been a way of maximizing the LC tank resonance but reducing some of the positive magnetic feedback. 

I think the gyroscopic effect comes from the cork-screwing magnetic field that is constantly circling around the circumference of the device.  This also seems to match his statements about the tpu acting as a turbine or an accelerometer.

Please, let me know what you think, everyone (including you, SM).  I have to study a lot more before I can draw up a possible circuit to test.
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Phantasm on April 10, 2009, 05:03:26 PM
as requested:

In reference to this picture: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4486.0;attach=23557

Now after Investigation ask yourself where do such a field pattern exists and further ask yourself what could happend if this pattern is moving along the same direction the electrons do

And by the way at the same speed!

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once more
Have a look!
(http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4486.0;attach=23557;image)

Now after Investigation ask yourself where do such a field pattern exists and further ask yourself what could happend if this pattern is moving along the same direction the electrons do.

And by the way, at the same speed!




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Ok.
Let us assume that the radial field pattern exists inside a conductor(collector)-that would be B1-.Now assume that somehow- see tao's posts- a current I appear in that conductor.That current will create the second B field ,let's say B2.So what now?Will the field pattern begin to rotate?that would be nice.Nope ,it will begin to swirl around .So the B2 will make B1 to swirl. Now what does that swirling create/induce ?That's right.A new current that will amplify the first current.And and and .....

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Loner says:
tsl

I Get it!

You are simply, without going into any weird theories, explaining the "Kick"

The "B1" and "B2" have that effect on each other.  So Simple.

I would have to say, this is a viable and workable model...

Art.


@Mannix
I'll try to make one later today or tomorrow.btw is out there any animation program easy to learn and use?-a free one.
@Loner
mmm... not quite the kick,but more the amplification of a simple insignificant kick into a huge, large current Boom.

--

Paul says:
@BEP

<SNIP>

Some other observations:

A single wire of thin enough gauge will "jump" as well if a high enough energy charge is given to it, due to the magnetic field interaction between the induced field in the wire, and the earths own magnetic field.

What this demonstartes is that it is not necessarily the charges which are causing these effects, but the induced fields of the charges moving.

<SNIP>

Paul Andrulis

@Paul
"...but the induced fields of the charges moving."

Now that is really something that should be investigated.Btw, did you read my post?

I like the game, it's getting hotter and hotter.

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May I suggest you guys go read some scientific literature (not on google) about radial magnetic fields ?

Ha ha. All "scientific" paper PDFs on the net cost money. Beside that show me "scientific" paper that talks about overunity for real. So far it seems that theoretical approaches in science in general are so vast you can't just say "read something scientific", because two scientific centers may treat the same phenomenon differently. Older "encyclopedia" books and papers usually deal with things that are widely accepted, and are hard to question. Overunity is not a thing of this kind. Probably "radial magnetic field" is not a thing of this kind as well - not established. So, we are (I am) pretty safe to call it "etheric vortex" instead.

TSL replies:
1.It's not about overunity.
2.You have no idea what a radial magnetic field is.
3.It's not about ether and other such BS.
4.First figure out what a radial magnetic field is.
5.Now superpose a circular magnetic field on this one.
6.Tell me what the resulting Field is.(Or how the both interact).
7.Have a nice day.

I had no intention to write "f**k off".As I allready have said:google and the internet is not allways The source of information.My intention was to point you guys in a certain direction, that's why i came with the "intellectually" inserted" thing.The radial magnetic field has per se indeed nothing to do with OU.But, the interaction between fields have.So to make it simpler :For a conductor carrying current you will allways have a circular magnetic field, i think you agree with that.Now if the field lines are not circular ones but are all pointing from the center axis of the conductor away-hence the term radial- you have a radial magnetic field.Or another example take a look at a simple permanent magnet.What do you see?I bet you see how the field lines comes out from the north pole and goes back to the south pole.Nothing wrong with that too.But now try not to look from the side but from the top, so that you see only one pole.what do you see now?if you look to the north pole you'll see how the field lines are emerging from the center-the pole- in radial manner(one plane view).there are much more examples of such radial fields(the electrostatic field of a isolated charge is also a radial one).Anyway ,the point, my point was to make you think about certain interactions between such a radial field and a circular one.

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Loner says:

<SNIP>
TSL, I would like to hear about what you describe as a "Radial Magnetic Field".  This could
describe the "Known" field around any current carrying conductor.  I'm sure this is NOT what
you are trying to describe, so, PLEASE, describe a little better so I can do some research.
Any reference to a specific paper, patent, or other information reference would be great.
<SNIP>
Art.

@Loner

Hawking SW, Ellis GFR. The large-scale structure of spacetime.Cambridge, MA: Cambridge University Press

Herrmann F. Energy density and stress: a new approach to teaching electromagnetism. Am J Phys 1989
I don't think they are available on the internet but anyway.
On the image below I'm trying to represent a nice interaction between a radial field (black) and a circular one(blue) .You can see that the resulting field (red) will be a radial one again but slightly rotated(shifted) and bigger(vector summation).
(http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action-tpmod;dl=view89)

PS.I'm not an artist.
Attached was this file: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4491.0;attach=24107
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@BEP
I'm not quite sure i understand what you're saying, sorry...
Anyway there was a nice story about rotating a magnetic field in two directions.I didn't saw a discussion about that, no question, nada.So what are the 2 directions ?Would it be needed to rotate both poles in a symmetric way??Would a radial pattern ,when rotated, behave the same for both poles configurations?What if we move just one pole configuration around?There are many unanswered questions.I see ppl here doing much and great experimental work, but sadly, without any theories behind.

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Chef appears to have posted a youtube video but the original message is gone and the video is no longer available on youtube :(
If anyone knows what it was....


@Chef
Nice.But you get this because of the interaction of 2 fields not from a pulsed coil alone.


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Hello all,

@Paul

1. you can use 2, 3 , 4 or 8 control coils
2. we have bifilar wound controls - like Tesla did it and described it
3. there is at least 1 collector or 2 or maximal 3 collectors
4. the controls, wound in a bifilar manner, are 1 exiter, trigger coil and the other part of the bifilar is the load coil
8. 2 or 3 frequencies are needed
12. its a longitudinal wave or said in a better way, we are dealing with compression waves, clearly to see on my scope.

Of course Im talking about a TPU with a core.

Otto

You can have as many collectors as you wish.

--

I've found something really interesting about the frequencies.See it for yourself
"The magnetoacoustic emission is a consequence of the existence of magnetic domains in ferromagnetic samples. This effect is driven by an alternating magnetic field, which engages the increase or decrease of the favoured magnetic domains and thereby the domain wall movement. In the standing wave case, the domain wall motion is correlated with the displacements of portions of the elastic ferromagnetic medium from the elastic standing wave in the sample. In this case, the MAE effect becomes maximum, the domain walls perform a forced oscillation, and we can obtain information about the evolution of the magnetic domains in the sample by the analysis of the resonance curve. Certainly, in the case of standing wave method, the maximum effect is obtained for the natural frequencies of the sample. In the sample, in the case of longitudinal wave, on both sides of the nodes, the medium is subject of alternative compressions and dilatations, such as the interaction between the magnetic wall motion and the elastic wave will have the maximum effect. By comparing the effect for natural frequencies of the sample, for a free behavior, the maximum effect is obtained for the first eigenfrequency of the ferromagnetic rod. This can be explained by the fact that in this case, in the whole sample, the wave oscillations and the magnetic wall motion are in phase. For the second natural frequency, with an node at the middle of the bar , only for half of the sample the two oscillations are in phase. This explain why the effect is approximately fifty percent lower as the effect for the first natural frequency, and the analogism can be extended to the next natural frequencies. Reciprocal, by placing the sample in a constant magnetic field, and transmitting an ultrasonic wave into the sample at the locations, where the standing wave stress is maximum, a high frequency magnetic field is generated by the reciprocal effect of magnetostriction [9].Due to the fact that the magnetoacoustic effect is very sensitive to the internal stress or to magnetic modifications, this method can be used in the nondestructive evaluation of ferromagnetic materials."

I would love to see how the simplest test setup  for a tpu using this effect would look like.
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Bruce_TPU on April 10, 2009, 05:21:38 PM
I find it amazing that so many want to talk about "squeezing the hose" while ignoring 99.9% of the rest of the clues given by SM.   :o

I wonder why that is...
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: AhuraMazda on April 10, 2009, 08:05:46 PM

Loo at what the master said on page 10 of the book or page 6 of the pdf file:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/14131382/Free-Energy-Device-Handbook

My eyes are not as good as they used to be. Some one, please do an OCR or find a better copy.
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Bruce_TPU on April 10, 2009, 09:18:34 PM
Phantasm

That Youtube video was not relevant to the subject.

Bruce

It could be everybody are so stupid, but thanks to god, we have you, who always see, what we don't. :) No offense, just joking  ;)

Anyway, You have to be happy, you know, what to do, so go build a device, and prove us your point!  ;)


Hi Chef,

LOL  I am not trying to come across that way, but I do get VERY frustrated with how little regard most give to the things that SM wrote to us, not realizing all that he risked to do so. 

And yes I am building "a device".  I actually have one built, and I am designing another.  I also have ordered my three triode tubes, but I will need to find three more.  Now that I THINK I know what to design, it has me researching it out and designing, hours everyday.  I also have a controller being built soon for me.

Happily building, and priding myself in being a "good listener",

Bruce   :)
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: giantkiller on April 10, 2009, 09:53:29 PM
Good Friday and have a happy Easter so that we all could see and should give to the cause.
 :)
--giantkiller.

Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: EMdevices on April 11, 2009, 04:47:25 AM
I recently had an occasion to learn a bit more about vacum tubes, and there are a few good references online.  I found out that Mr Mark mentioned some things about tubes that are not quite right or correct.  One thing is the transit times, which he made it sound like it's realy fast, etc..., but in reality vacum tubes have very slow transit times which limit their operation to lower frequencies. This problem can be fixed by increasing the VOLTAGE from PLATE to CATHODE, so that the electrons are accelerated a lot more and pick up more speed and hence cross the gap faster.  The other solution is to reduce the distance between the electrodes, so that the electrons can get across quicker.  The latter solution seems to be used in the UHF tubes, which are smaller  (ACORN type, etc..)

SM also made mention of observing some interesting signals from tubes and transformers, and I wonder if he observed SECONDARY EMISSIONS.  These are noticeable in TETRODES, due to the extra grid, but I'm sure one can observe these signals with the other tubes given unusual operating parameters, like higher voltages on the plate and grid, or not biasing the CONTROL GRID correctly.    He did mention the 5U4 rectifying tubes and these are tubes with two diodes inside, just a plate and cathode which is the DIRECTLY HEATED type of cathode, meaning just the thoriated filament  (or maybe it's oxide coated, not sure)

Another interesting fact I learned is that triodes have a lot of INTER-ELECTRODE CAPACITANCE which causes FEEDBACK from the plate to the CONTROL GRID, which motivated the development of the TETRODE and due to the SECONDARY EMISSIONS problem of the TETRODE, the further development of the PENTODE, which now has 3 grids, the CONTROL, SCREEN, AND SUPRESSOR GRIDS.

Overall,  the transistors are so much better and faster, etc.. etc..., contrary to what SM discussed in this letters to Lindsay,  so I get a feeling SM is an older gentlemen who has not fully transitioned to the new semiconductor technology, for whatever reason, perhaps nostalgia, which is entirely OK.  By the way, transistors do have their limitations, and tubes are still used today in very special applications.
 
Anyway, I thought I share that with you for whatever it's worth.

EM
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Phantasm on April 11, 2009, 10:54:14 AM
On the previous page, tsl recommends "Energy density and stress: a new approach to teaching electromagnetism"

I was able to find it and post it..
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=get264
I found it here:
http://www.physikdidaktik.uni-karlsruhe.de/publication/ajp/Energy_density_stress.pdf
(alt link)

Does anyone have a copy of "The large-scale structure of spacetime" he suggests reading?

Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: gyulasun on April 11, 2009, 12:24:05 PM
Look at what the master said on page 10 of the book or page 6 of the pdf file:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/14131382/Free-Energy-Device-Handbook

My eyes are not as good as they used to be. Some one, please do an OCR or find a better copy.

Hi,

You can read the full Century Magazine article in good quality here:

http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1900-06-00.htm

The text you referred to starts well above 'Diagram b'  OBTAINING ENERGY FROM THE AMBIENT MEDIUM,   about more than half way down of the long htm page. 

rgds,  Gyula
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: AhuraMazda on April 11, 2009, 07:14:43 PM
Gyula,
Thanks. That is a vey interesting link.
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: MACEDONIA CD on April 11, 2009, 09:26:59 PM
  hmmmmmmmmmmmmm


YES   TESLA  IS  FATHERE  FOR  LIGHT   AND  ALLWAY  REMEMBER  THIS  <NOTHING WHIT TESLA >

LONG TIME AGO TESLA  HAS  MAKE  FIRST  < T.P.U>.

NO steven mark
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on April 15, 2009, 08:07:21 AM
  hmmmmmmmmmmmmm


YES   TESLA  IS  FATHERE  FOR  LIGHT   AND  ALLWAY  REMEMBER  THIS  <NOTHING WHIT TESLA >

LONG TIME AGO TESLA  HAS  MAKE  FIRST  < T.P.U>.

NO steven mark

I think it goes something like this, Tesla made the TPU first but Steven Mark makes it more popular and interesting.  ;)

And even the anti gravity technology i beleive it is tesla who is first, and now many are claiming what tesla has done !  ;D
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: otto on April 15, 2009, 09:31:11 AM
Hello all,

maybe a clever guy would compare Teslas work with the TPU?? Similarities?? Differences??

Otto

Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: AhuraMazda on April 15, 2009, 12:25:00 PM
Otto,
I am not clever but I have full article called:
STUDY OF THE MAGNETOACOUSTIC EFFECT ON FERROMAGNETIC ELASTIC SPECIMENS
which may interest some people.

http://www.home.ru/weconf/PROC06/PAPERS/37.pdf
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Magnon on April 15, 2009, 10:01:00 PM
Otto,
I am not clever but I have full article called:
STUDY OF THE MAGNETOACOUSTIC EFFECT ON FERROMAGNETIC ELASTIC SPECIMENS
which may interest some people.

http://www.home.ru/weconf/PROC06/PAPERS/37.pdf


"Reciprocal, by placing the sample in a constant magnetic field, and transmitting an ultrasonic wave into the sample at the locations,
where the standin wave stress is maximum, a high frequency magnetic field is generated by the reciprocal effect of magnetostriction "


--Magnon
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: giantkiller on April 15, 2009, 10:19:22 PM
On Figures 4 - 7 the highest point in the graphs is between 5khz - 6khz. Same as a stungun. SM said 5khz also. Must be the Ferro material.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on April 16, 2009, 06:20:55 AM
Hello all,

maybe a clever guy would compare Teslas work with the TPU?? Similarities?? Differences??

Otto



I think you can do it sir

i'm one of your avid fan  ;)

otits
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: otto on April 16, 2009, 08:16:37 AM
Hello all,

@AM

interesting paper.

@otitis

as said a lot of times: I dont have to be the first. Im only a worker with a lot of fun. Sometimes not so funny because the beast burns my fingers but its a part of my work so I have to accept this.

@All

yesterday I removed the copper cores and tried to pulse my the collectors without them. What a disaster! No power.

My newest "invention" is to place 1 or 2 magnets very near to the collectors and listen careful what the particles around the coils are doing.

As Im pulsating the collectors with MOSFETs I can hear a lot of s..t is swirling around my coils. The cause for this is the hash from the MOSFETs. It seems like the particles are only jumping around the collectors but there is no order, to say so. The sound is like they are only jumping around with a little effect. I can say that the particles are fired out of the ring and whats left we are using to light a bulb.Of course the light is not so bright.

As I now know how to connect my collectors my next job is to use tubes and see the difference.

Yes, I know what I will see and especially hear: nice signals and nothing to hear because the particles are travelling in perfect order. And this is what we need. Then and only then, our 3 cannons story makes sence.

Otto
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on April 16, 2009, 08:50:50 AM

@otitis

as said a lot of times: I dont have to be the first. Im only a worker with a lot of fun. Sometimes not so funny because the beast burns my fingers but its a part of my work so I have to accept this.


Otto

 :(
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: otto on April 16, 2009, 09:02:42 AM
Hello all,

@otitis

Im listening. Say it!

Otto
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on April 16, 2009, 11:29:15 AM
Hello all,

@otitis

Im listening. Say it!

Otto

nothing sir,
I just want to apologize sir for the post i made you feel bad , cause i found out that you're correct but what i see is that some info are seems to be mis leading but its okay now  ;)

thank you every one.

this is all i can say , I'VE LEARN A LOT HERE!  8)

will be gone for a month, but i'll be back to learn more  ;D. 

THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!

my nickname is otits not otitis  sir! ;D

God bless otto see you soon
Tito l. Oracion
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: MACEDONIA CD on April 16, 2009, 12:20:01 PM
hi

@otto yes   there is   some clever man here  BUT IM vonder  ho is the clever man

???   
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Phantasm on April 16, 2009, 02:13:06 PM
Hey guys,

A word of encouragement to you all: Dont give up! I'm seeing some very real progress here, hopefully its as encouraging for you folks as is for me...

@GK

You are likely already aware of this but I wasnt.. Perhaps you will find this useful? It appears to be at least somewhat relevant to what we're doing here...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theremin

The operating principle seems to be particularly interesting and seems to relate to our work.. no?

Thoughts?
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: giantkiller on April 16, 2009, 11:35:45 PM
Hey guys,

A word of encouragement to you all: Dont give up! I'm seeing some very real progress here, hopefully its as encouraging for you folks as is for me...

@GK

You are likely already aware of this but I wasnt.. Perhaps you will find this useful? It appears to be at least somewhat relevant to what we're doing here...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theremin

The operating principle seems to be particularly interesting and seems to relate to our work.. no?

Thoughts?

Well, that is really cool. My daughter has a version of that but the pickups are in a dome that respond to hand movements. Cant remember the name but is also cool and eerie. It looks like cd player with a black dome on top. The cost was 80usd.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: wings on April 17, 2009, 01:06:18 PM
Hello all,

maybe a clever guy would compare Teslas work with the TPU?? Similarities?? Differences??

Otto



 ??? new page from John Bedini


http://www.icehouse.net/john34/Radiant1.htm


Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: giantkiller on April 17, 2009, 06:06:32 PM
??? new page from John Bedini


http://www.icehouse.net/john34/Radiant1.htm




It says it all right in that page.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: ramset on April 18, 2009, 04:45:02 AM
Wings

Thank you for posting that link!!

I can't stop reading it

A Revelation!!

Chet
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Tito L. Oracion on April 18, 2009, 04:50:50 AM
??? new page from John Bedini


http://www.icehouse.net/john34/Radiant1.htm




nice info wings  ;D
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: forest on April 18, 2009, 08:51:47 AM
in the end you will learn that radiant electricity is wave in Earth magnetic field

so called "electron" is stored magnetic wave in shape of curled stationary interference wave packet but true electron is pure magnetic curled wave propagating much faster then light

interference of two electrons running against each other (one in normal time and one in reversed) in CORRECT phase makes interference = a lot of PARTICLES called electrons
the same is true for OTHER PHASES and ENERGIES generating other particles

Ed Leedscalnin was right
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: wings on April 18, 2009, 04:38:25 PM
in the end you will learn that radiant electricity is wave in Earth magnetic field

so called "electron" is stored magnetic wave in shape of curled stationary interference wave packet but true electron is pure magnetic curled wave propagating much faster then light

interference of two electrons running against each other (one in normal time and one in reversed) in CORRECT phase makes interference = a lot of PARTICLES called electrons
the same is true for OTHER PHASES and ENERGIES generating other particles

Ed Leedscalnin was right


http://www.quantummatter.com/space_resonance.html

an electron:
http://www.quantummatter.com/articles/see_an_electron.html

... on internet related to John page "With impulses of 1.0 microsecond duration, strong physiological heat was sensed. Further decreases in impulse brought spontaneous illuminations capable of filling rooms and vacuum globes with white light. "
see this video , radiant flash?:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zxc6OmNiukI&feature=channel_page

from the Gray Tube experiment: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/3235-gray-tube-replication-39.html

in the same discussion forum:
 http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/3235-gray-tube-replication-38.html
 "I think that voltage or rather potential are electrons in wave state. Moreover I state that Tesla knew about it, he knew also how to treat them to not cancel their potential by chaotic interference but create stationary wave between transmitter and receiver. Moreover Steven Mark realized that he can push a little so made stationary wave and it will rotate with incredible speed on closed conductor surface.
Maybe Ed Leedscalnin even knew about them better then Tesla and they are wave which has rotation imprinted . That rotation will be ... yes spin !
So according to Leedscalnin we have a wave with rotation and second wave with counter rotation coming from second terminal of power source canceling or "eating" the first one.Killing the dipole!

Now if that wave rotate in always the same direction we have in every moment two kinds of elementary wave part , depending on angle to the flow direction of wave.One is electric ,the second - magnetic. Or one is transverse and second is longitudinal. Longitudinal is probably magnetic, transverse is probably electric. Both are just waves in surrounding medium"

Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: forest on April 18, 2009, 05:29:21 PM
wings,

thanks for quoting my own statements ... I think I should store all my concepts somewhere and compare to older theories, because human memory is not good and those concepts  are important and more and more explains what is going on,no matter that nobody seems to listening...
 ::)
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: forest on April 18, 2009, 05:32:57 PM
btw,I also started that thread : http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/3950-if-current-electrons-what-voltage.html
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: wings on April 18, 2009, 05:39:24 PM
wings,

thanks for quoting my own statements ... I think I should store all my concepts somewhere and compare to older theories, because human memory is not good and those concepts  are important and more and more explains what is going on,no matter that nobody seems to listening...
 ::)

this is the best .Milo Wolff's web page..Matter Waves and Buddhist Thought
http://quantummatter.com/articles_html/body_tetrode.html

"There are other reasons for focusing on matter waves. The funded Human Genome Project ambitiously proposes to completely unravel four billion genes of human chromosomes which determine the structure of our bodies. This structure is the hardware of our body computer. Where is the software? We are born with many built-inemotions and survival mechanisms which are 'software programs'. L ike consciousness, they occupy our mind but have no identified physical location.  Since our unconscious brain and its peripherals are the 'cpu' of our bodycomputer, then matter waves could be their internal communications mechanism. These waves are not limited in their range, soit becomes conceiveable that external mind-to-mind and mind-to-matter communication can also occur. Survivalis the primary goal of each organism thus internal communication would be the predominant role  waves while external communication would be rare.  This may explain the greater effectiveness of meditation."

thanks to you  :)
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: forest on April 18, 2009, 05:44:08 PM

http://www.quantummatter.com/space_resonance.html

an electron:
http://www.quantummatter.com/articles/see_an_electron.html


Those two links are most important I have ever seen.Thanks !
Now electrons in wire should be more complicated ,due to crystal structure, but in fact we are approaching complete understanding of our surrounding electric world.2012. ;D



Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: forest on April 18, 2009, 05:58:20 PM
Electricity in wire are many such electrons waves producing interference pattern. When all those waves propagate along wire we see difference of electric potential between points, named voltage.

At the very quick moment of connecting wire to source of electrons they meet each other and their own inward and outward waves and create complex interference stuck in allowed energetic levels between crystal structure of wire. However on wire surface they are not  much restricted...

Here we are electrons, as we call them now , particles stuck in allowed energetic quantum levels.

Now we need detailed theory about what is next when positive terminal is connected to circuit and circuit is closed... It's still unclear for me, but it seems that this may be related to changing phases of original electron waves... That would explain slow propagation of interference patterns ("electron particles") inside wire.
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: ramset on April 19, 2009, 05:32:17 PM
Gentlemen

Thank you for the privilege!!

Chet
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: giantkiller on April 19, 2009, 07:11:25 PM
Gentlemen

Thank you for the privilege!!

Chet

Ditto!

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: wattsup on April 19, 2009, 09:04:19 PM
I'll see the last Ditto and up it one. lol
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: EMdevices on April 22, 2009, 07:06:40 PM
Vital Clues from SM:

************************************************************************
The inrush of current through the filament interacts with the
earth's magnetic field to produce a small kick.


SMALL KICK.
Those words mean a great deal.

It PROVES that there is an interaction between the magnetic field of the
earth and simple electrons running through wires.
It may be a small influence but it is actual OVER UNITY.
I have spent several years of my life thinking about that.
Scientists tell us that over unity is impossible.
They say that you cannot get more out of something then you put into it.
Then I think about that wire with the small kick when first turned on. . .
There in lies the secret my friend.
*****************************************************************

Current in a wire + external magnetic field =  "kick"  or physical movement or vibration of the wire !!

Don't let anybody else tell you that a "kick" is some inductive kick back voltage, it will lead you astray.

Another clue from SM:

*******************************************************************
Yes there is a genuine gyroscopic effect when the units are on.
Everybody has noticed that when held and in operation, the units have a
definite vibration and have a gyroscopic effect.
They seam to resist being moved through the air.
When placed on a smooth surface it is very pronounced.
Some of you should think about that.
********************************************************************

and another one:

*********************************************************************
In regard to your query about the pulse DC conversion and the potential
use of the coil to provide motive force:
You could describe the useable current output of my coil as DC but
with some hash in it.
It really doesn't have any convertible AC component which could provide a
mechanical motive force as you suggested.
The multiple frequencies traveling around the coils are of too high
a frequency to provide for any motive effort.
They are only a means to achieve an end.
The multiple frequencies begin to feed themselves and the
multiple kicks become a combined big kick.
I call it resonating.
That is why if you notice in the video tapes that it takes just a few
seconds for the coil to begin to function at maximum effort.
You see, one little kick amounts to nothing.
However imagine if you had hundreds of thousands of little kicks
combining into one big current kick . . .
I originally got the idea from electron circuits which use vacuum
rectifiers like the 5U4 GB or 5AR4 etc.
The plate has a high voltage potential with lots of useable power available.
You cant get to it or use it for anything without applying a heating voltage
to the cathode or what is the cathode potential of the tube.
So, you put in a small voltage of 5 volts AC 60 Hz which heats up the
cathode and welcomes the electron stream from the plate.
Or actually the other way around, but not important for this example of
my thoughts.
Now the high voltage power goes through the cathode and travels through
the coils of the 5 volt transformer along with the 5 volt AC.
if the plate voltage is not rectified then it is AC with a potential 60 Hz
frequency.
That combines with the 5 volt 60 Hz in the coil of the htr transformer and
generally amounts to nothing.
In fact the power of the 5 volt transformer amounts to nothing.
It is an insignificant power supply,
except when the two transformers get slightly out of phase with
each other, or when they are connected in reverse of one another.
Then you can measure all kinds of things going on.
You can generate all kinds of hash and multiple frequencies, and I do
mean all kinds.
What I measured during this process was very interesting.
All these frequencies occasionally met at the same time with a
much larger kick at the output.
I was working at a laboratory at the time with much more sophisticated
equipment then is available to even most manufacturing companies.
I was able to analyses everything coming out of this simple two
transformer AC high voltage circuit.
In most power supplies there is lots of hash coming out and designers use
a .05 or so to short out as much as possible before it gets to the
smoothing capacitors.
This hash comes from the mains supply and especially from the
transformers themselves.

***********************************************************************
Notice this hash comes from the power grid ( or mains supply). It is the transformers nonlinear hysterisis that creates the power line harmonics (PLH)  that resonate on the power grid.

and more:

***********************************************************************
My units behave as though they are variable tuning devices, and
we are tuning them to a frequency just like a radio.
The closer you get to the center frequency the more power you
permit the collector to dissipate into a load.
************************************************************************

SM is describing lot's of different angles of his technology,  it is a RADIO, it is a vibrational transformer, it is "kicks" , it is hash, etc...

Like I said before,  this is a high Q receiver, based on mechanical vibration (which has the highest Q).  I can't find the quote right now, but he mentions that after disconecting his TPU from the power supply, the voltage peaks up for about 5 seconds, and then decays back down to it's normal.  That 5 second is quite a key.  I'm sure most of you have pulses an LC circuit and noticed the decaying oscilltions, which last   micro-secons,  now try tapping a glass jar or steel bar, and you will hear the ringing for seconds !!,  That's the difference,  mechanical vibrations are less damped then electrical, so magnetostriction is the bridging mechanism between the two worlds,  electromagnetic and acoustic.   
Along with this, and due to the circular nature of the TPUs,  rotational vibrations set in, which SM did not fully understand as he says so himself, hence the gyroscopic nature of the devices.

Anyway, chew on that   :)

EM
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: forest on April 23, 2009, 08:39:31 AM
Vital Clues from SM:

************************************************************************
The inrush of current through the filament interacts with the
earth's magnetic field to produce a small kick.


SMALL KICK.
Those words mean a great deal.

It PROVES that there is an interaction between the magnetic field of the
earth and simple electrons running through wires.
It may be a small influence but it is actual OVER UNITY.
I have spent several years of my life thinking about that.
Scientists tell us that over unity is impossible.
They say that you cannot get more out of something then you put into it.
Then I think about that wire with the small kick when first turned on. . .
There in lies the secret my friend.
*****************************************************************

Current in a wire + external magnetic field =  "kick"  or physical movement or vibration of the wire !!

Don't let anybody else tell you that a "kick" is some inductive kick back voltage, it will lead you astray.

Another clue from SM:

*******************************************************************
Yes there is a genuine gyroscopic effect when the units are on.
Everybody has noticed that when held and in operation, the units have a
definite vibration and have a gyroscopic effect.
They seam to resist being moved through the air.
When placed on a smooth surface it is very pronounced.
Some of you should think about that.
********************************************************************

and another one:

*********************************************************************
In regard to your query about the pulse DC conversion and the potential
use of the coil to provide motive force:
You could describe the useable current output of my coil as DC but
with some hash in it.
It really doesn't have any convertible AC component which could provide a
mechanical motive force as you suggested.
The multiple frequencies traveling around the coils are of too high
a frequency to provide for any motive effort.
They are only a means to achieve an end.
The multiple frequencies begin to feed themselves and the
multiple kicks become a combined big kick.
I call it resonating.
That is why if you notice in the video tapes that it takes just a few
seconds for the coil to begin to function at maximum effort.
You see, one little kick amounts to nothing.
However imagine if you had hundreds of thousands of little kicks
combining into one big current kick . . .
I originally got the idea from electron circuits which use vacuum
rectifiers like the 5U4 GB or 5AR4 etc.
The plate has a high voltage potential with lots of useable power available.
You cant get to it or use it for anything without applying a heating voltage
to the cathode or what is the cathode potential of the tube.
So, you put in a small voltage of 5 volts AC 60 Hz which heats up the
cathode and welcomes the electron stream from the plate.
Or actually the other way around, but not important for this example of
my thoughts.
Now the high voltage power goes through the cathode and travels through
the coils of the 5 volt transformer along with the 5 volt AC.
if the plate voltage is not rectified then it is AC with a potential 60 Hz
frequency.
That combines with the 5 volt 60 Hz in the coil of the htr transformer and
generally amounts to nothing.
In fact the power of the 5 volt transformer amounts to nothing.
It is an insignificant power supply,
except when the two transformers get slightly out of phase with
each other, or when they are connected in reverse of one another.
Then you can measure all kinds of things going on.
You can generate all kinds of hash and multiple frequencies, and I do
mean all kinds.
What I measured during this process was very interesting.
All these frequencies occasionally met at the same time with a
much larger kick at the output.
I was working at a laboratory at the time with much more sophisticated
equipment then is available to even most manufacturing companies.
I was able to analyses everything coming out of this simple two
transformer AC high voltage circuit.
In most power supplies there is lots of hash coming out and designers use
a .05 or so to short out as much as possible before it gets to the
smoothing capacitors.
This hash comes from the mains supply and especially from the
transformers themselves.

***********************************************************************
Notice this hash comes from the power grid ( or mains supply). It is the transformers nonlinear hysterisis that creates the power line harmonics (PLH)  that resonate on the power grid.

and more:

***********************************************************************
My units behave as though they are variable tuning devices, and
we are tuning them to a frequency just like a radio.
The closer you get to the center frequency the more power you
permit the collector to dissipate into a load.
************************************************************************

SM is describing lot's of different angles of his technology,  it is a RADIO, it is a vibrational transformer, it is "kicks" , it is hash, etc...

Like I said before,  this is a high Q receiver, based on mechanical vibration (which has the highest Q).  I can't find the quote right now, but he mentions that after disconecting his TPU from the power supply, the voltage peaks up for about 5 seconds, and then decays back down to it's normal.  That 5 second is quite a key.  I'm sure most of you have pulses an LC circuit and noticed the decaying oscilltions, which last   micro-secons,  now try tapping a glass jar or steel bar, and you will hear the ringing for seconds !!,  That's the difference,  mechanical vibrations are less damped then electrical, so magnetostriction is the bridging mechanism between the two worlds,  electromagnetic and acoustic.   
Along with this, and due to the circular nature of the TPUs,  rotational vibrations set in, which SM did not fully understand as he says so himself, hence the gyroscopic nature of the devices.

Anyway, chew on that   :)

EM

Yes,it's an radio, transformer whatever. However transmitter for it , it's energy source is magnetic field all around us, not just any man created device (not power grid).
Gyroscopic effect ..... try this :  put a stick into a river whirl and  try moving it outside the whirl... Magnetic whirl is mother and TPU is a child, check SM notes . It's like creating whirl in slowly flowing  river by a child little stick.Suddenly TPU whirl is self-sustaining ...well almost  ;D
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: wings on April 23, 2009, 10:49:54 AM
EM  quote:
“except when the two transformers get slightly out of phase with each other, or when they are connected in reverse of one another……..
SM is describing lot's of different angles of his technology,  it is a RADIO, it is a vibrational transformer, it is "kicks" , it is hash, etc.. ”

Rhythmodynamics .. great Russian people!  “We also assume that an isolated oscillator does not possess such properties as mass, inertia, charge, but these properties arise immediately if we have to deal with a system of two or more oscillators.”

This also interesting:

http://mirit.narod.ru/video/experiments/motion.wmv

http://mirit.narod.ru/library/rd_2007en.pdf
 â€œ(The action is taking place in the absence of frictional force). Suppose we are in a boat, and we intend to throw with force two stones of equal mass simultaneously in opposite directions. If we throw them identically, then the boat will stay at the same place. But, what will happen, if we first throw one stone and after a while the other?
 
Fig. 13. Illustration for the example
For the time interval between the throws, the boat will move, for example for 100 meters. Does it mean that after the second throw the boat must return to its initial position and stop? Of course, the boat will stop, but still, though it will stop, we will succeed in moving it for 100 meters using the time delay between the throws.”
More here
http://rutube.ru/tracks/1434174.html?v=8af67154f4947062c6a32894d0f669bd
http://www.mirit.ru/library/a5220_31e.pdf
http://www.mirit.ru/library/fs_en.pdf
http://www.cyclesresearchinstitute.org/wsm.html
http://www.keelynet.com/spider/b-100e.htm

multifrequency oscillator……. explain also the seg energy?
…Spatial Energy Coherence ?
…Acoustomagnetic TPU / SEG calculation model  ?
…Antigravity ?
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Bruce_TPU on April 24, 2009, 01:45:20 AM
EM  quote:
“except when the two transformers get slightly out of phase with each other, or when they are connected in reverse of one another……..
SM is describing lot's of different angles of his technology,  it is a RADIO, it is a vibrational transformer, it is "kicks" , it is hash, etc.. ”




It is two transformers back to back, same signals, slightly out of phase with each other.  Because this is phase inversion.  Each signal is input "in phase, and also 180 degrees phase inverted" like a tube amp to an output stage.  This also assists greatly in the production of both odd and even harmonics.  It is like a transformer also because the control wires are ferrous. 

It is a RADIO, in the sense that you are "TUNING" into a frequency, it's second and third harmonic.  It is like a Radio Reciever in the sense that the collectors are likened too resonant loops.

It is a "vibrational transformer" because the creation of all of those Intermediate Frequencies, go back and forth from control wires to collectors, perpetuating oscillation.

It is "kicks" because three frequency kicks create "catalyst" which is the creation of the IF's that combine down to the harmonics of the fundamental, but now multiplied out hundreds of thousands of times.  Each combining of a harmonic of the fundamental creates a MAGNETIC kick.  This weak magnetic field travels in duel directions (tuned loop collector) at near relativistic speeds, producing DC on the outer wing of the collector loop. A strong DC bias assists with these harmonics.

But what it REALLY is, is a type of tube amp.  LOL but that is for another day!  LOL  That is the electron tube circuit, I believe that gave him the idea.

I hope this helps,

Bruce    :o
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Phantasm on April 24, 2009, 06:14:36 AM

It is two transformers back to back, same signals, slightly out of phase with each other.  Because this is phase inversion.  Each signal is input "in phase, and also 180 degrees phase inverted" like a tube amp to an output stage.  This also assists greatly in the production of both odd and even harmonics.  It is like a transformer also because the control wires are ferrous. 

It is a RADIO, in the sense that you are "TUNING" into a frequency, it's second and third harmonic.  It is like a Radio Reciever in the sense that the collectors are likened too resonant loops.

It is a "vibrational transformer" because the creation of all of those Intermediate Frequencies, go back and forth from control wires to collectors, perpetuating oscillation.

It is "kicks" because three frequency kicks create "catalyst" which is the creation of the IF's that combine down to the harmonics of the fundamental, but now multiplied out hundreds of thousands of times.  Each combining of a harmonic of the fundamental creates a MAGNETIC kick.  This weak magnetic field travels in duel directions (tuned loop collector) at near relativistic speeds, producing DC on the outer wing of the collector loop. A strong DC bias assists with these harmonics.

But what it REALLY is, is a type of tube amp.  LOL but that is for another day!  LOL  That is the electron tube circuit, I believe that gave him the idea.

I hope this helps,

Bruce    :o

Great post Bruce!

What do you think of Magnon's thread on Magnetocoustics?
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: zapnic on April 24, 2009, 07:45:50 AM
and now something mega stupid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v10_By6J_CM&feature=PlayList&p=AFEC01FF72B51D45&index=4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oCI9XvFU_M&feature=PlayList&p=AFEC01FF72B51D45&index=3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkQkLctCmPQ&feature=PlayList&p=AFEC01FF72B51D45&index=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARj5mOBea0Y&feature=PlayList&p=AFEC01FF72B51D45&index=0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTfdFbJW9Zw&feature=PlayList&p=AFEC01FF72B51D45&index=2

enjoy
huuh hah ahaa
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ibex0sYOeKU&feature=channel_page
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: EMdevices on April 24, 2009, 06:08:30 PM
....except when the transformers get SLIGHTLY out of phase....

How can transformers get out of phase when they are on the same core and the coupling is close to 1, think about that!

The answer,  ....<drum roll please>....  ferroacoustic vibrations set in !!

That's when the magnetic coupling is no longer dictated by coils only, but also by the magnetostriction induced ferroacoustic vibrations.

Of course, geometry plays a part and if the coils are exactly one on top of each other, with the core in the center, then this out of phase can't happen.

Note:  Hooking a capacitor to the secondary transformer is not makeing the transformer be out of phase with the input,  it's realy the internal vibrations of the transformer that do the trick.   For the non electrical types, real tranformers have an equivalent circuit that inclues a lot more then two coils linked magneticaly, and it's these extra components, IF MODELED CORECTLY, that play a part in these type of resonant phase shifts.

EM
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Bruce_TPU on April 25, 2009, 05:24:18 AM
Hi EM,

Nice post.  But there are TWO transformers.  SM's words:

"Now the high voltage power goes through the cathode and travels through the coils of the 5 volt transformer along with the 5 volt AC.
If the plate voltage is not rectified then it is AC with a potential 60 Hz frequency.
That combines with the 5 volt 60 Hz in the coil of the htr transformer and generally amounts to nothing. In fact the power of the 5 volt transformer amounts to nothing.
It is an insignificant power supply except when the two transformers get slightly out of phase with each other, or when they are connected in reverse of one another.
Then you can measure all kinds of things going on.
You can generate all kinds of hash and multiple frequencies, and I do mean all kinds.
What I measured during this process was very interesting.
All these frequencies occasionally met at the same time with a much larger kick at the output.

Their is vibration, noise like that of a resonant transformer etc.  But IMHO, we are searching for the "creation" of harmonics of a "special" frequency.  Every combining to the fundamental or harmonic of this "magnetically enhanced" (my word!! LOL) frequency will give a "magnetic" kick to the dc bias. 

P.S.  Something else I just saw...I have highlighted above!  He put High Voltage through a 5 volt transformer, a big transformer no, no! 

Remember this vid?

Any idea how he did it, make the "kick" coil?   ;)  Now, picture the "creation" of hundreds of thousands of these "kicks" per second.  The only thing is, that OUR frequency is in the Khz. 


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5540717206741162529&ei=CoHyScScJKLcqAOJ9enhBw&q=Marco%27s+dancing+magnets&hl=en
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: BEP on April 25, 2009, 03:01:06 PM
Hi EM,

Nice post.  But there are TWO transformers.  SM's words:

"Now the high voltage power goes through the cathode and travels through the coils of the 5 volt transformer along with the 5 volt AC.
If the plate voltage is not rectified then it is AC with a potential 60 Hz frequency.
That combines with the 5 volt 60 Hz in the coil of the htr transformer and generally amounts to nothing. In fact the power of the 5 volt transformer amounts to nothing.
It is an insignificant power supply except when the two transformers get slightly out of phase with each other, or when they are connected in reverse of one another.
Then you can measure all kinds of things going on.
You can generate all kinds of hash and multiple frequencies, and I do mean all kinds.
What I measured during this process was very interesting.
All these frequencies occasionally met at the same time with a much larger kick at the output.

P.S.  Something else I just saw...I have highlighted above!  He put High Voltage through a 5 volt transformer, a big transformer no, no! 


He does say two but normally the heater an plate windings were on one core. It was also common practice to run plate current through the filament winding of the transformer with rectifiers that had no separate cathode, like the 5U4 series.

Possible situation: The rectifier becomes gassy and starts to conduct both ways..... the filament and plate windings (on the same core) are positioned on the core in such a relationship that the induction is out of phase between the heater and plate windings.

It is common practice, now, to place all separate windings on the same portion of the core - one surrounding the other (except polyphase). In others, phase relationships between separate windings could be slightly different because separate windings would be stacked on the same core leg.


Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: EMdevices on April 26, 2009, 02:51:35 AM
I'm thinking the two transformers are on the same core, Bruce, but good point, it could be he meant two separate ones.  On the diagrams that marco posted, of the old GE CRTs, they seem to be powered off of the same core.

I think a very significant piece of info is also the fact that tubes exibit MICROPHONICS.  These vibrations can be exited by noisy mains supply....hint....hint...

I'm exploring this aspect.  I'm gona order some ceramic metalic high power tubes soon....why? ....you'll have to wait..... 8)

EM
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Mannix on April 26, 2009, 03:49:08 AM
OR.......
separate cores and separate sources with different frequencies different than mains . 5ar4 or 5u4 apparently

Who has actually done this?

I suggest we all just talk about this until we can all decide not to do anything because there is no precedent...except for the TPU
And what the inventor said happened.



Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: turbo on April 26, 2009, 05:33:54 PM

separate cores and separate sources with different frequencies different than mains . 5ar4 or 5u4 apparently

Who has actually done this?


I have.

And my final conclusion is that this tpu thing is a HOAX at least in the light that it will work anytime anywhere...
No more fruitless experimentation for me, i am heading towards Tesla garden.

Marco.
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: otto on April 26, 2009, 05:45:58 PM
Hello all,

@Gentlemen

Mannix is right!!! Dont throw his words away!!

In a TPU are 2 or 3 cores ( I would say 3), 3 different frequencies, 3 collectors and 3 controls.

IS THAT CLEAR??

In a TPU  Ohms law is NOT valid! We are working with a NEGATIVE resistance: What this is?
When you connect a bulb, the current DROPPS!!

IS THAT CLEAR??

In a TPU.....hmmm.....heeeeey Im on vacation!!

@Marco

OOOO, my GOD!!!! May HE forgive you!!

Otto
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: giantkiller on April 26, 2009, 05:46:33 PM
I am stunned...
 :o
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: otto on April 27, 2009, 12:14:51 PM
Hello all,

the Moebius, when pulsed causes a negative resistance.

Otto

PS: still on vacation, ha,ha.
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Grumpy on April 27, 2009, 05:32:19 PM

"It is an insignificant power supply except when the two transformers get slightly out of phase with each other, or when they are connected in reverse of one another.
Then you can measure all kinds of things going on.
You can generate all kinds of hash and multiple frequencies, and I do mean all kinds.
What I measured during this process was very interesting.
All these frequencies occasionally met at the same time with a much larger kick at the output.


What if SM is telling you that the kick is created by slightly out-of-phase signals, or by two signals travelling in opposite directions?   

You could delay one of the two signals or apply them in opposite directions.  You could use three control coils in trifilar arrangement with each slightly out of phase with the other two.
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: EMdevices on April 27, 2009, 06:11:52 PM
SM's TPU works at a range of about a mile away from.....<drom roll> ....   POWER LINES,  and the energy it can harvest drops off EXPONENTIALY, so technicaly you also say it works at 10 miles away but the received voltages will be a lot lower.

Vibrations are what's needed for the high Q,  and he discovered them in the KICK,......get it.... the KICK, not a voltage spike, not some other weird concept, but a simple vibration in the filamament when first curent flows (inrush current when filament is cold).  The current interacts with the magnetic field of the earth or some other magnetic field near by.

Now,  the filament has it's own vibrational modes of resonance, due to stiffness, length etc..., and when you pump it at the right frequency, it will vibrate.

He discovered the KICK with his electron tubes and the associated noisy transformers, and my guess is that one of these power line harmonics that comprised the noisy signal, happend to fall on the right resonant mode of the filament and exited it and amplified it in the process.  Also mixing might have happend, etc..  Just my guess of what he observed due to the relationship between these phenomena. It's definitely that MICROPHONIC capability of tubes that stands out.

So like GK said long time ago, it's like a guitar string with it's associated magnetic pickup circuitry.
That's a high Q resonant system.   High Q, yeah baby !!!!

That's how I see it, just in case you were curious  LOL

EM

Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Grumpy on April 27, 2009, 06:35:32 PM
SM's TPU works at a range of about a mile away from.....<drom roll> ....   POWER LINES,  and the energy it can harvest drops off EXPONENTIALY, so technicaly you also say it works at 10 miles away but the received voltages will be a lot lower.

Vibrations are what's needed for the high Q,  and he discovered them in the KICK,......get it.... the KICK, not a voltage spike, not some other weird concept, but a simple vibration in the filamament when first curent flows (inrush current when filament is cold).  The current interacts with the magnetic field of the earth or some other magnetic field near by.

Now,  the filament has it's own vibrational modes of resonance, due to stiffness, length etc..., and when you pump it at the right frequency, it will vibrate.

He discovered the KICK with his electron tubes and the associated noisy transformers, and my guess is that one of these power line harmonics that comprised the noisy signal, happend to fall on the right resonant mode of the filament and exited it and amplified it in the process.  Also mixing might have happend, etc..  Just my guess of what he observed due to the relationship between these phenomena. It's definitely that MICROPHONIC capability of tubes that stands out.

So like GK said long time ago, it's like a guitar string with it's associated magnetic pickup circuitry.
That's a high Q resonant system.   High Q, yeah baby !!!!

That's how I see it, just in case you were curious  LOL

EM

If the TPU is coupling to powerlines magnetically, why didn't he use a ferromagnetic core?

If the TPU derives energy from powerlines, why was the Atomic Energy Comission so interested in it?

If the TPU derives energy from power lines, which is illegal in the US, why the gag order and why would UEC have any interest?

Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Grumpy on April 27, 2009, 07:19:51 PM
EM,

Read this if you have IEEE access:

Flashover to a resin bonded carbon fibre fishing rod from anoverhead power line: doubt about the mechanism
Norris, W.T.
High Voltage Engineering, 1999. Eleventh International Symposium on (Conf. Publ. No. 467)
Volume 2, Issue , 1999 Page(s):333 - 336 vol.2
Digital Object Identifier   
Summary:The question is raised whether breakdown to a carbon fibre fishing rod held a few metres from an overhead 33 kV power line might occur as the result of the discharge of accumulated charge on the rod arising from a rectifying action. The discharge might provoke muscular contraction in the person holding the rod so that the rod was sharply brought into contact with the energised conductors. Or perhaps the discharge might trigger long distance breakdown through the air

Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: turbo on April 27, 2009, 07:25:18 PM
To be honest  :) i don't care about all that man.
How many years should it take? And how much moeny?? even if it's real.
I am not going to spend one more cent on a tpu.

Tesla has documented many nice test's for me to do so that will be my primary direction from now on  :)
And i even like it more then TPU'ing.

Marco.
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: forest on April 27, 2009, 07:42:29 PM
To be honest  :) i don't care about all that man.
How many years should it take? And how much moeny?? even if it's real.
I am not going to spend one more cent on a tpu.

Tesla has documented many nice test's for me to do so that will be my primary direction from now on  :)
And i even like it more then TPU'ing.

Marco.

and you will find that it's all related :-) IMHO choking effect is a kick, current kick
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Grumpy on April 27, 2009, 09:22:35 PM
To be honest  :) i don't care about all that man.
How many years should it take? And how much moeny?? even if it's real.
I am not going to spend one more cent on a tpu.

Tesla has documented many nice test's for me to do so that will be my primary direction from now on  :)
And i even like it more then TPU'ing.

Marco.

Same forces, same effects.

EDIT:

I wonder if they tried lead or carbon as a collector material.  The results may be surprising.
Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: giantkiller on April 27, 2009, 10:01:16 PM
@EMD!
Dude, you woke me up!

Let us take a stand by a guitar pick up. We look up at the overhead lines. They move back and forth exciting the field of that strange coil we are standing next to. Power lines don't move mechanically but magnetically. We take our large pickup(TPU) and have it produce a magnetic field. It connects to the larger magnetic field. We ring it like an effective aperture. We now can use the ringing of the mag field off the power lines. Now we put on our sunglasses, because we are very cool. We look up in the sky past the guitar strings, past the power lines and at the magnetic field of the earth. It moves and we be inside it. What do you think the effective aperture is?
Now look past that at the magnetic field between the earth and the moon, at the solar system and all the magnetic cylinders spinning around inside of each other. And then a totally topside view.

It never ends....

--gaintkiller. How can we even begin to be humble when we overdose on feeble every moment?

Title: Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
Post by: Grumpy on April 28, 2009, 12:20:46 AM
Overdose on this: