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Author Topic: The Last TPU Development On The WWW  (Read 105949 times)

Grumpy

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Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
« Reply #105 on: March 31, 2009, 09:07:32 PM »
@ forest
SM "Tesla states that you can have all kinds of electrons flowing through a wire traveling in different directions relating only to their potential power source. He even said that you could have different electron flows through a single wire completely separate from each other. I tried it and he is right!"

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=712.30


You can also have all sorts of things happening outside the wire that no one ever talks about.

If a sine wave is biased above or below the zero line, there is a DC component. 

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Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
« Reply #106 on: March 31, 2009, 09:09:46 PM »
Electrical oscillations without employment of electricity?

"Generally the trend goes to ever smaller operating voltages. The processor in the PC runs today already with less than 3 V, and digital electronics aims on a long-term basis at the 1-Volt-Durchbruch. Also attempts with electron tubes are ever more frequently accomplished with small tensions. The absolute record succeeded to me now with a UHF triode PC86: A high frequency oscillator with an anode voltage of 0.000 V. This ZVO (zero VOL days oscillator) will surely revolutionize the technology."

http://www.b-kainka.de/bastel87.htm

Otto you was able to collect some voltage in the capacitor.

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Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
« Reply #107 on: March 31, 2009, 09:42:44 PM »
January 14, 2008.
The yellow line is ground.

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Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
« Reply #108 on: March 31, 2009, 10:03:04 PM »
January 14, 2008.
The yellow line is ground.

   
a horizontal tesla coil?

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Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
« Reply #109 on: March 31, 2009, 10:16:56 PM »
The pressure goes only 1 way when DC bias is introduced.

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Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
« Reply #110 on: March 31, 2009, 10:32:30 PM »
Now we know what is used to prevent runaway situation.

I think its the ONLY possibility to use feedback without a runaway event.

And i think that also in the SM devices they act as a magamp not for pulsing applications.

A.

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Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
« Reply #111 on: April 01, 2009, 04:02:55 AM »
Electrical oscillations without employment of electricity?

http://www.b-kainka.de/bastel87.htm


Wonderful little circuit isn't it?

UHF Triode/Tetrode configuration. Demonstrates the main difference between tubes and solid state devices,etc.

I built a 900 mHz walkie-talky in my youth that used this circuit as the receiver section. The only variation was it was a regenerative receiver. The tubes were the Nuvistor variety. The antenna was a 1/2 wavelength bare copper wire at 915 mHz.

Edit>> Just imagine a magnetostrictive zero voltage oscillator. All you would need to start it would be an impact or placement of a magnet to put torque on the core.

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Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
« Reply #112 on: April 01, 2009, 05:03:09 AM »
Ahhhhhh. I need to take a breath of fresh OU air.
Notice parts of this forum is going to hell in a hand basket.

OK wattsup, calm down now. It will pass.

Can I take a right hand turn here for a moment regarding the center toroid in the FTPU and the advent of the device "running with gain".

For something to run with gain, something else has to act as the totalizing storage device otherwise I imagine that what was gained will be quickly lost. So where is there any possibility to reach some level of gain in the FTPU. Obviously those very small capacitors would not have enough uF to provide anything substantial, Also the outer coils and the two rings would not have enough inductance to act in any way as a storage component. So what does this leave.

Now during the demo, we can clearly see the voltage gradually rise then stabilize to about 60-62 volts so there has to be something acting as a power tank otherwise the complete device has to run with total production available like a flat capacitor or a flat battery.

We also know that SM was rather fond of Tesla although his comments on Tesla were rather few. IMHO.

OK so here is a scenario. Take 1. Action.

The center toroid has two coils. You put one of the coils is series with the outer coils and call it the coil of high inductance (just for arguments sake - lol). You take the other toroid coil and put it in series with the two outer rings and call it a primary coil set or the primary working coil. Now you simply make a set-up similiar to Teslas' Ozone Patent (I know I know) where you have the high inductance that is used to charge a capacitor, that then discharges into the primary of the working side. But what happened. There is no working secondary. No need, the coil of high inductance that is on the same toroid core then becomes the secondary that recharges the cap and the cycles continue back and forth on the same toroid and as the toroid core becomes more and more saturated, this makes more energy transfer from one side to the other.

I have been trying to make energy exit the system into a cap tank, when I think the answer is to keep the energy inside the system and make it grow.

I have already seen the outer coils are able to also provide mutual coupling which would aid in the cycling and also aid in "running with gain". The output voltage of the TPU is just a function of the maximum ability of the coils to maintain their mutual maximum stress levels.

To see if this effect is possible, I think I will have to start with a very low voltage source that would be far below the maximum saturation point of the core but enough to energize the copper masses. Only in this way could you actually see the effect otherwise it would be lost with higher starting voltages.

OK I will stop now and head back to my workbench. lol
I can breath now. Pheewww.

Keep well to all.

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Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
« Reply #113 on: April 01, 2009, 05:17:44 AM »
Here's a sketch for a simple experiment.

I picked up a spool of welding wire at an estate auction; it has a soft iron core and a copper coating-- hopefully I'll see some noteworthy effects, if i can ever get around to actually doing it... (my lab is a total wreck).  In the meantime, anyone else care to have a go?  GK, perhaps? seems to be right up your alley... anyone?...

Anyway, it's a pretty simple setup, and may yield some interesting results.

-Eric
« Last Edit: April 01, 2009, 08:06:43 AM by zerotensor »

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Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
« Reply #114 on: April 01, 2009, 05:40:01 AM »
@ BEP
   Thoes frequencies were relative just to the point. The actuals were
                Fundamental    35705
               3rd harmonic     107115
               5th harmonic     178525
               7th harmonic     249935

This is where they would run for the 15".

The pdf is 88k so I will try to tag it on here. If not, I will up the upload area
Its name is 0903_Harmonics.pdf

thaelin


On an added note, funny how when you add the odd harmonics to a fundamental freq
how it goes from a sine to a square wave.

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Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
« Reply #115 on: April 01, 2009, 06:30:40 AM »
Thaelin,

you rule!


All, read up ....now build something that makes a mess of your rings.using bottles and coils


Then ...and only then after exhaustive mixing  tell me im full of it. Or there is not enough information

Lindsay


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Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
« Reply #116 on: April 01, 2009, 09:02:26 AM »
Excuse me because my English is not perfect and I can't understand "running with gain" sentence. Does it mean the usage of positive feedback to always adjust output power for wide range of attached loads automatically ?

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Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
« Reply #117 on: April 01, 2009, 11:45:22 AM »
@ BEP
   Thoes frequencies were relative just to the point. The actuals were
                Fundamental    35705
               3rd harmonic     107115
               5th harmonic     178525
               7th harmonic     249935

This is where they would run for the 15".

The pdf is 88k so I will try to tag it on here. If not, I will up the upload area
Its name is 0903_Harmonics.pdf

thaelin


On an added note, funny how when you add the odd harmonics to a fundamental freq
how it goes from a sine to a square wave.


Yes - Fourier takes over here.

Your frequencies tried aren't new. What may be new to some is applying two frequencies say 35705 + 245000 can yield 4935.
How? A magnetostrictive core it will resonate at audio freeks that are subharmonics of the driving freeks' result.

(35705 * 7) - 245000 = 4935

So you have two drive freeks - 35705 and 245000

The difference is 4935 ( as seen by the core in acoustic/magnetostrictive mode )

The circumference of that part is acoustically resonant at 4935 but has its own magnetic field bacause it is carrying current.

That field - being in the middle of these outer coils - acts like a moving iron core - (ETR)

etc.

Speculation only folks - try it - it works but I'm not running with gain - yet.


Wah-Wah-Wah   ;)

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Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
« Reply #118 on: April 01, 2009, 11:51:19 AM »

Some more information:

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Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
« Reply #119 on: April 01, 2009, 12:00:44 PM »
@Wattsup,
A few pages back I posted a link to a book called Practical transformer hand book.
When I first saw this title I thought "pah what can this book teach me about transformers? I know everything about them". Now I realize I was very stupid.

I suggest you look at it. This and the comments in my previous post are from the same book.