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Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
« Reply #225 on: April 23, 2009, 08:39:31 AM »
Vital Clues from SM:

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The inrush of current through the filament interacts with the
earth's magnetic field to produce a small kick.


SMALL KICK.
Those words mean a great deal.

It PROVES that there is an interaction between the magnetic field of the
earth and simple electrons running through wires.
It may be a small influence but it is actual OVER UNITY.
I have spent several years of my life thinking about that.
Scientists tell us that over unity is impossible.
They say that you cannot get more out of something then you put into it.
Then I think about that wire with the small kick when first turned on. . .
There in lies the secret my friend.
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Current in a wire + external magnetic field =  "kick"  or physical movement or vibration of the wire !!

Don't let anybody else tell you that a "kick" is some inductive kick back voltage, it will lead you astray.

Another clue from SM:

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Yes there is a genuine gyroscopic effect when the units are on.
Everybody has noticed that when held and in operation, the units have a
definite vibration and have a gyroscopic effect.
They seam to resist being moved through the air.
When placed on a smooth surface it is very pronounced.
Some of you should think about that.
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and another one:

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In regard to your query about the pulse DC conversion and the potential
use of the coil to provide motive force:
You could describe the useable current output of my coil as DC but
with some hash in it.
It really doesn't have any convertible AC component which could provide a
mechanical motive force as you suggested.
The multiple frequencies traveling around the coils are of too high
a frequency to provide for any motive effort.
They are only a means to achieve an end.
The multiple frequencies begin to feed themselves and the
multiple kicks become a combined big kick.
I call it resonating.
That is why if you notice in the video tapes that it takes just a few
seconds for the coil to begin to function at maximum effort.
You see, one little kick amounts to nothing.
However imagine if you had hundreds of thousands of little kicks
combining into one big current kick . . .
I originally got the idea from electron circuits which use vacuum
rectifiers like the 5U4 GB or 5AR4 etc.
The plate has a high voltage potential with lots of useable power available.
You cant get to it or use it for anything without applying a heating voltage
to the cathode or what is the cathode potential of the tube.
So, you put in a small voltage of 5 volts AC 60 Hz which heats up the
cathode and welcomes the electron stream from the plate.
Or actually the other way around, but not important for this example of
my thoughts.
Now the high voltage power goes through the cathode and travels through
the coils of the 5 volt transformer along with the 5 volt AC.
if the plate voltage is not rectified then it is AC with a potential 60 Hz
frequency.
That combines with the 5 volt 60 Hz in the coil of the htr transformer and
generally amounts to nothing.
In fact the power of the 5 volt transformer amounts to nothing.
It is an insignificant power supply,
except when the two transformers get slightly out of phase with
each other, or when they are connected in reverse of one another.
Then you can measure all kinds of things going on.
You can generate all kinds of hash and multiple frequencies, and I do
mean all kinds.
What I measured during this process was very interesting.
All these frequencies occasionally met at the same time with a
much larger kick at the output.
I was working at a laboratory at the time with much more sophisticated
equipment then is available to even most manufacturing companies.
I was able to analyses everything coming out of this simple two
transformer AC high voltage circuit.
In most power supplies there is lots of hash coming out and designers use
a .05 or so to short out as much as possible before it gets to the
smoothing capacitors.
This hash comes from the mains supply and especially from the
transformers themselves.

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Notice this hash comes from the power grid ( or mains supply). It is the transformers nonlinear hysterisis that creates the power line harmonics (PLH)  that resonate on the power grid.

and more:

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My units behave as though they are variable tuning devices, and
we are tuning them to a frequency just like a radio.
The closer you get to the center frequency the more power you
permit the collector to dissipate into a load.
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SM is describing lot's of different angles of his technology,  it is a RADIO, it is a vibrational transformer, it is "kicks" , it is hash, etc...

Like I said before,  this is a high Q receiver, based on mechanical vibration (which has the highest Q).  I can't find the quote right now, but he mentions that after disconecting his TPU from the power supply, the voltage peaks up for about 5 seconds, and then decays back down to it's normal.  That 5 second is quite a key.  I'm sure most of you have pulses an LC circuit and noticed the decaying oscilltions, which last   micro-secons,  now try tapping a glass jar or steel bar, and you will hear the ringing for seconds !!,  That's the difference,  mechanical vibrations are less damped then electrical, so magnetostriction is the bridging mechanism between the two worlds,  electromagnetic and acoustic.   
Along with this, and due to the circular nature of the TPUs,  rotational vibrations set in, which SM did not fully understand as he says so himself, hence the gyroscopic nature of the devices.

Anyway, chew on that   :)

EM

Yes,it's an radio, transformer whatever. However transmitter for it , it's energy source is magnetic field all around us, not just any man created device (not power grid).
Gyroscopic effect ..... try this :  put a stick into a river whirl and  try moving it outside the whirl... Magnetic whirl is mother and TPU is a child, check SM notes . It's like creating whirl in slowly flowing  river by a child little stick.Suddenly TPU whirl is self-sustaining ...well almost  ;D

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Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
« Reply #225 on: April 23, 2009, 08:39:31 AM »

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« Reply #226 on: April 23, 2009, 10:49:54 AM »
EM  quote:
“except when the two transformers get slightly out of phase with each other, or when they are connected in reverse of one another……..
SM is describing lot's of different angles of his technology,  it is a RADIO, it is a vibrational transformer, it is "kicks" , it is hash, etc.. ”

Rhythmodynamics .. great Russian people!  “We also assume that an isolated oscillator does not possess such properties as mass, inertia, charge, but these properties arise immediately if we have to deal with a system of two or more oscillators.”

This also interesting:

http://mirit.narod.ru/video/experiments/motion.wmv

http://mirit.narod.ru/library/rd_2007en.pdf
 â€œ(The action is taking place in the absence of frictional force). Suppose we are in a boat, and we intend to throw with force two stones of equal mass simultaneously in opposite directions. If we throw them identically, then the boat will stay at the same place. But, what will happen, if we first throw one stone and after a while the other?
 
Fig. 13. Illustration for the example
For the time interval between the throws, the boat will move, for example for 100 meters. Does it mean that after the second throw the boat must return to its initial position and stop? Of course, the boat will stop, but still, though it will stop, we will succeed in moving it for 100 meters using the time delay between the throws.”
More here
http://rutube.ru/tracks/1434174.html?v=8af67154f4947062c6a32894d0f669bd
http://www.mirit.ru/library/a5220_31e.pdf
http://www.mirit.ru/library/fs_en.pdf
http://www.cyclesresearchinstitute.org/wsm.html
http://www.keelynet.com/spider/b-100e.htm

multifrequency oscillator……. explain also the seg energy?
…Spatial Energy Coherence ?
…Acoustomagnetic TPU / SEG calculation model  ?
…Antigravity ?

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Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
« Reply #227 on: April 24, 2009, 01:45:20 AM »
EM  quote:
“except when the two transformers get slightly out of phase with each other, or when they are connected in reverse of one another……..
SM is describing lot's of different angles of his technology,  it is a RADIO, it is a vibrational transformer, it is "kicks" , it is hash, etc.. ”




It is two transformers back to back, same signals, slightly out of phase with each other.  Because this is phase inversion.  Each signal is input "in phase, and also 180 degrees phase inverted" like a tube amp to an output stage.  This also assists greatly in the production of both odd and even harmonics.  It is like a transformer also because the control wires are ferrous. 

It is a RADIO, in the sense that you are "TUNING" into a frequency, it's second and third harmonic.  It is like a Radio Reciever in the sense that the collectors are likened too resonant loops.

It is a "vibrational transformer" because the creation of all of those Intermediate Frequencies, go back and forth from control wires to collectors, perpetuating oscillation.

It is "kicks" because three frequency kicks create "catalyst" which is the creation of the IF's that combine down to the harmonics of the fundamental, but now multiplied out hundreds of thousands of times.  Each combining of a harmonic of the fundamental creates a MAGNETIC kick.  This weak magnetic field travels in duel directions (tuned loop collector) at near relativistic speeds, producing DC on the outer wing of the collector loop. A strong DC bias assists with these harmonics.

But what it REALLY is, is a type of tube amp.  LOL but that is for another day!  LOL  That is the electron tube circuit, I believe that gave him the idea.

I hope this helps,

Bruce    :o

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Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
« Reply #227 on: April 24, 2009, 01:45:20 AM »
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« Reply #228 on: April 24, 2009, 06:14:36 AM »

It is two transformers back to back, same signals, slightly out of phase with each other.  Because this is phase inversion.  Each signal is input "in phase, and also 180 degrees phase inverted" like a tube amp to an output stage.  This also assists greatly in the production of both odd and even harmonics.  It is like a transformer also because the control wires are ferrous. 

It is a RADIO, in the sense that you are "TUNING" into a frequency, it's second and third harmonic.  It is like a Radio Reciever in the sense that the collectors are likened too resonant loops.

It is a "vibrational transformer" because the creation of all of those Intermediate Frequencies, go back and forth from control wires to collectors, perpetuating oscillation.

It is "kicks" because three frequency kicks create "catalyst" which is the creation of the IF's that combine down to the harmonics of the fundamental, but now multiplied out hundreds of thousands of times.  Each combining of a harmonic of the fundamental creates a MAGNETIC kick.  This weak magnetic field travels in duel directions (tuned loop collector) at near relativistic speeds, producing DC on the outer wing of the collector loop. A strong DC bias assists with these harmonics.

But what it REALLY is, is a type of tube amp.  LOL but that is for another day!  LOL  That is the electron tube circuit, I believe that gave him the idea.

I hope this helps,

Bruce    :o

Great post Bruce!

What do you think of Magnon's thread on Magnetocoustics?


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Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
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« Reply #230 on: April 24, 2009, 06:08:30 PM »
....except when the transformers get SLIGHTLY out of phase....

How can transformers get out of phase when they are on the same core and the coupling is close to 1, think about that!

The answer,  ....<drum roll please>....  ferroacoustic vibrations set in !!

That's when the magnetic coupling is no longer dictated by coils only, but also by the magnetostriction induced ferroacoustic vibrations.

Of course, geometry plays a part and if the coils are exactly one on top of each other, with the core in the center, then this out of phase can't happen.

Note:  Hooking a capacitor to the secondary transformer is not makeing the transformer be out of phase with the input,  it's realy the internal vibrations of the transformer that do the trick.   For the non electrical types, real tranformers have an equivalent circuit that inclues a lot more then two coils linked magneticaly, and it's these extra components, IF MODELED CORECTLY, that play a part in these type of resonant phase shifts.

EM

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Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
« Reply #231 on: April 25, 2009, 05:24:18 AM »
Hi EM,

Nice post.  But there are TWO transformers.  SM's words:

"Now the high voltage power goes through the cathode and travels through the coils of the 5 volt transformer along with the 5 volt AC.
If the plate voltage is not rectified then it is AC with a potential 60 Hz frequency.
That combines with the 5 volt 60 Hz in the coil of the htr transformer and generally amounts to nothing. In fact the power of the 5 volt transformer amounts to nothing.
It is an insignificant power supply except when the two transformers get slightly out of phase with each other, or when they are connected in reverse of one another.
Then you can measure all kinds of things going on.
You can generate all kinds of hash and multiple frequencies, and I do mean all kinds.
What I measured during this process was very interesting.
All these frequencies occasionally met at the same time with a much larger kick at the output.

Their is vibration, noise like that of a resonant transformer etc.  But IMHO, we are searching for the "creation" of harmonics of a "special" frequency.  Every combining to the fundamental or harmonic of this "magnetically enhanced" (my word!! LOL) frequency will give a "magnetic" kick to the dc bias. 

P.S.  Something else I just saw...I have highlighted above!  He put High Voltage through a 5 volt transformer, a big transformer no, no! 

Remember this vid?

Any idea how he did it, make the "kick" coil?   ;)  Now, picture the "creation" of hundreds of thousands of these "kicks" per second.  The only thing is, that OUR frequency is in the Khz. 


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5540717206741162529&ei=CoHyScScJKLcqAOJ9enhBw&q=Marco%27s+dancing+magnets&hl=en

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Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
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« Reply #232 on: April 25, 2009, 03:01:06 PM »
Hi EM,

Nice post.  But there are TWO transformers.  SM's words:

"Now the high voltage power goes through the cathode and travels through the coils of the 5 volt transformer along with the 5 volt AC.
If the plate voltage is not rectified then it is AC with a potential 60 Hz frequency.
That combines with the 5 volt 60 Hz in the coil of the htr transformer and generally amounts to nothing. In fact the power of the 5 volt transformer amounts to nothing.
It is an insignificant power supply except when the two transformers get slightly out of phase with each other, or when they are connected in reverse of one another.
Then you can measure all kinds of things going on.
You can generate all kinds of hash and multiple frequencies, and I do mean all kinds.
What I measured during this process was very interesting.
All these frequencies occasionally met at the same time with a much larger kick at the output.

P.S.  Something else I just saw...I have highlighted above!  He put High Voltage through a 5 volt transformer, a big transformer no, no! 


He does say two but normally the heater an plate windings were on one core. It was also common practice to run plate current through the filament winding of the transformer with rectifiers that had no separate cathode, like the 5U4 series.

Possible situation: The rectifier becomes gassy and starts to conduct both ways..... the filament and plate windings (on the same core) are positioned on the core in such a relationship that the induction is out of phase between the heater and plate windings.

It is common practice, now, to place all separate windings on the same portion of the core - one surrounding the other (except polyphase). In others, phase relationships between separate windings could be slightly different because separate windings would be stacked on the same core leg.



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Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
« Reply #233 on: April 26, 2009, 02:51:35 AM »
I'm thinking the two transformers are on the same core, Bruce, but good point, it could be he meant two separate ones.  On the diagrams that marco posted, of the old GE CRTs, they seem to be powered off of the same core.

I think a very significant piece of info is also the fact that tubes exibit MICROPHONICS.  These vibrations can be exited by noisy mains supply....hint....hint...

I'm exploring this aspect.  I'm gona order some ceramic metalic high power tubes soon....why? ....you'll have to wait..... 8)

EM

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Re: The Last TPU Development On The WWW
« Reply #234 on: April 26, 2009, 03:49:08 AM »
OR.......
separate cores and separate sources with different frequencies different than mains . 5ar4 or 5u4 apparently

Who has actually done this?

I suggest we all just talk about this until we can all decide not to do anything because there is no precedent...except for the TPU
And what the inventor said happened.



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« Reply #235 on: April 26, 2009, 05:33:54 PM »

separate cores and separate sources with different frequencies different than mains . 5ar4 or 5u4 apparently

Who has actually done this?


I have.

And my final conclusion is that this tpu thing is a HOAX at least in the light that it will work anytime anywhere...
No more fruitless experimentation for me, i am heading towards Tesla garden.

Marco.

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« Reply #236 on: April 26, 2009, 05:45:58 PM »
Hello all,

@Gentlemen

Mannix is right!!! Dont throw his words away!!

In a TPU are 2 or 3 cores ( I would say 3), 3 different frequencies, 3 collectors and 3 controls.

IS THAT CLEAR??

In a TPU  Ohms law is NOT valid! We are working with a NEGATIVE resistance: What this is?
When you connect a bulb, the current DROPPS!!

IS THAT CLEAR??

In a TPU.....hmmm.....heeeeey Im on vacation!!

@Marco

OOOO, my GOD!!!! May HE forgive you!!

Otto

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« Reply #237 on: April 26, 2009, 05:46:33 PM »
I am stunned...
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« Reply #238 on: April 27, 2009, 12:14:51 PM »
Hello all,

the Moebius, when pulsed causes a negative resistance.

Otto

PS: still on vacation, ha,ha.

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« Reply #239 on: April 27, 2009, 05:32:19 PM »

"It is an insignificant power supply except when the two transformers get slightly out of phase with each other, or when they are connected in reverse of one another.
Then you can measure all kinds of things going on.
You can generate all kinds of hash and multiple frequencies, and I do mean all kinds.
What I measured during this process was very interesting.
All these frequencies occasionally met at the same time with a much larger kick at the output.


What if SM is telling you that the kick is created by slightly out-of-phase signals, or by two signals travelling in opposite directions?   

You could delay one of the two signals or apply them in opposite directions.  You could use three control coils in trifilar arrangement with each slightly out of phase with the other two.

 

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