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Gravity self-pulsatory eccenter...
« on: August 10, 2008, 11:29:21 PM »

   ...can be the next proposal,related in a short expression,as a possible gravity powered collector.

     The main abstraction,image is that of a pair D-F(driver-folower),helping one another to move and commute between centric-eccentric positions,so to get as a result, a self revolving(not swinging...) pendular (eccentric) picture.

     The first image is that of a fulcrum and of a great centric mass(M) coupled(with an arm) to a small eccentric mass(m) .

      If the small mass(m) makes a free full up-down fall(180*) in gravity,it will play as a driver for the great mass(M),introducing a spinning motion for the follower.

      At the end of this sequence,if the great mass(M),is so designed to self-commute from the centric to the eccentric position(due to gravity),and in the same time to determine the transition of the small mass(m) from the eccentric to the centric position,this time (M) is the driver and (m) is the follower.

      If (M) plays as a pendulum/eccentric mass ,we must take into account his initial,starting velocity...so a new circumstance .

      The last image,is that of the great mass(M),self-commuting from the eccentric to the centric position(due to the same gravity),and in the same time moving the small mass(m) from the centric to the eccentric   position.
   
       And again...

       All that we play is gravity and rotational inertia.


               All the Bests!  /  Alex

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Re: Gravity self-pulsatory eccenter...
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2008, 12:52:23 AM »
   ...can be the next proposal,related in a short expression,as a possible gravity powered collector.

     The main abstraction,image is that of a pair D-F(driver-folower),helping one another to move and commute between centric-eccentric positions,so to get as a result, a self revolving(not swinging...) pendular (eccentric) picture.

     The first image is that of a fulcrum and of a great centric mass(M) coupled(with an arm) to a small eccentric mass(m) .

      If the small mass(m) makes a free full up-down fall(180*) in gravity,it will play as a driver for the great mass(M),introducing a spinning motion for the follower.

      At the end of this sequence,if the great mass(M),is so designed to self-commute from the centric to the eccentric position(due to gravity),and in the same time to determine the transition of the small mass(m) from the eccentric to the centric position,this time (M) is the driver and (m) is the follower.

      If (M) plays as a pendulum/eccentric mass ,we must take into account his initial,starting velocity...so a new circumstance .

      The last image,is that of the great mass(M),self-commuting from the eccentric to the centric position(due to the same gravity),and in the same time moving the small mass(m) from the centric to the eccentric   position.
   
       And again...

       All that we play is gravity and rotational inertia.


               All the Bests!  /  Alex

Where are the images?

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Re: Gravity self-pulsatory eccenter...
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2008, 11:21:38 AM »


.....uses a method(centric to eccentric commutation,and then back),that is intended  to be the equivalent of the pair "floating-sinking".

     One and another are in relation with gravity.

     One in rotational inertia,the other in water (buoyancy).

     Moving a mass in a centric rotation (eccentric to centric commutation),acts alike a buoyancy,a floating in water...

     It can be a way of easy  "weight/mass lift" to the next position(usually up...) of the arrangement.

     Then,with a second step of the commutation (centric to eccentric),the mass becomes  again "heavy",ready to "sinking" and so can use the properties of the gravity fall.

     It's as simple as a hide and seek game.

     Then,why the question "Where are the images?"(Alexioco) ?!

     Some abstractions,as a floating-sinking into inertia ,becomes weak,unhappy when we can try to fix on the paper...

     As said the famous French painter,Delacroix ..."The artist who aims at perfection in everything achieves it in nothing".

     But...you know:...make something,happiness will follow.

     In a clear night,if you look up on the sky...you have the best image.



              All the Bests!  /  Alex
     

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Re: Gravity self-pulsatory eccenter...
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2008, 11:54:20 AM »
When I look up in the sky I see clouds so yes it is the same!...That is that your post is one cloudy mess :p. Seriously cut the fancy words and start making some drawings because we can't read your brains telepathically. People always seem to forget that the ones they are explaining to have not experienced what they did. You have come to this idea through a series of steps and conclusions. You can't expect people to know what you're talking about with just one paragraph of text using fancy words like "eccentric commutation".

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Re: Gravity self-pulsatory eccenter...
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2008, 04:29:32 PM »
Broli: I think you should visit Jacob Alex's web site before you start throwing stones, he has plenty of drawings, and very nice ones at that!

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Re: Gravity self-pulsatory eccenter...
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2008, 06:13:39 PM »

        Hi Dr !

     Thanks for your commom sense(normal understanding,good practical sense esp.in everyday matters/Oxford's Dictionary) ,regarding my last message about this topic.

     To be short,all that I intended,was a simple step in thinking :to imagine and experiment "bouyancy"(floating in water) in a different manner :in inertia (rotational~ ).

    That is for I said "look up to the sky in a clean night..." and contemplate,meditate about a possible natural suggestion.

    In gravity, a centric spinning motion appears not to be subjected to the up-down fall.It's like a  floating body in water.

   By contrast,an eccentric spinning motion is completely submitted to the gravity influence.It's like a sinking body in water...

   There a plenty of models on net,that try to use this water buoyancy,but...you know the results.

   That is for I made this suggestion:to change the pair "floating-sinking" in water,with the pair "centric-eccentric" of rotational inertia.

    Sure,I  have some drawings...in reality I am talking around them,and I will post some in the future.

    If you like the adventure and the joy of discovery,remind that you can find it not outside us,but inside our reasoning and fancy.


          All the Bests!  /  Alex

   

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Re: Gravity self-pulsatory eccenter...
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2008, 06:51:34 PM »
When someone posts like this, not all of us are so "educated in this" as others, when posting an idea like this, pictures should be put with it to help for a clear understanding. When I post something I put a picture or so with it and I make sure I put it in the most simple way I can, not in a way that only the *educated oxford chap* can understand, its only common sense to make the post understandable for everyone, and I tell you, common sense is not very common, have some humility...

Alex

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Re: Gravity self-pulsatory eccenter...
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2008, 08:44:56 PM »


....has as a centric/hub /great mass(M) a movable joint,as that on which door hangs.

   Take in your hand a hinge(a half of is free to be under the influence of gravity,the identical other is fixed to a horizontal axis),imagine and test a full rotation of it,around the horizontal axis.

   For the first half rotation we have a centric mass("hinge off",the two parts are in the same plane),for the next half rotation we have an eccentric mass("hinge on",the mobile part make a half turn on the fixed part).
 
  The  "on"-"off" commutation of the M-hinge is due to gravity,only.

   If a small mass "m"(m<M),is so connected to the great mass "M",to follow the same centric-eccentric game(due to flapping of the mobile part of the M-hinge)...you can put on paper ,your own design... make your toy,and play    ...why not?

   All that you need : a fulcrum,an axis,a "M"-hinge mass,a "m"mass (M>m) and a certain connection between "M" and "m".

   Keep in mind the intention of this arrangement:to make it self turning,due to gravity only.
 
   It can be eventually your first gravity  toy...



          All the Bests!  /  Alex

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Re: Gravity self-pulsatory eccenter...
« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2009, 03:57:34 AM »

               Hi!

       This time,for people that don't like the mind's "athletics" and   "emphasized" for some  drawings...

    ... they can see a prime basically sketch(principle), at   www.geocities.com/iacob_alex   then click on  "Some_Drafts"/text024-25-26.jpg

          All the Bests!  /  Alex

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Re: Gravity self-pulsatory eccenter...
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2009, 04:29:47 AM »
When someone posts like this, not all of us are so "educated in this" as others, when posting an idea like this, pictures should be put with it to help for a clear understanding. When I post something I put a picture or so with it and I make sure I put it in the most simple way I can, not in a way that only the *educated oxford chap* can understand, its only common sense to make the post understandable for everyone, and I tell you, common sense is not very common, have some humility...

Alex

I'm quoting myself because when I saw it, I couldnt help but laugh to myself, I cant believe I wrote that, I was so rude lol
Sorry for that Iacob Alex

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Re: Gravity self-pulsatory eccenter...
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2009, 05:45:23 AM »

      Hi Alexioco!

 About the "quote"...no problem,forget it.It happens,especially for young people.

 I enjoy your humor and mobility of spirit,as an UK hallmark.

 The problem is to make a healthy contribution at this forum,as a main idea.

 You know better then me the Hyde Park tours...so ,have a nice trip!

               All the Bests!  /  Alex

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Re: Gravity self-pulsatory eccenter...
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2009, 07:04:35 PM »
      Hi Alexioco!

 About the "quote"...no problem,forget it.It happens,especially for young people.

 I enjoy your humor and mobility of spirit,as an UK hallmark.

 The problem is to make a healthy contribution at this forum,as a main idea.

 You know better then me the Hyde Park tours...so ,have a nice trip!

               All the Bests!  /  Alex

Thank you Alex, I respect that very much, and the work that you post here, when I read it, its very interesting (Have to get the dictionary out every now and then :P) but yeah, thanks


Alex  8)