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Omnibus

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Re: Howard Johnson Replication Tube Claim
« Reply #285 on: March 22, 2009, 02:18:55 AM »

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Re: Howard Johnson Replication Tube Claim
« Reply #286 on: March 22, 2009, 02:25:43 AM »

Couldn't you cut one of these in half to replicate his C magnet?

http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=1&p=40075&cat=1,42363,42348&ap=2

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Re: Howard Johnson Replication Tube Claim
« Reply #287 on: March 22, 2009, 02:25:51 AM »
Good excuse to play in the workshop  ;D


Sorry no alinco or any other primative magnets avalible at this time , might have a go with loadstone tomorrow..



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIsvd3YptLE

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Re: Howard Johnson Replication Tube Claim
« Reply #288 on: March 22, 2009, 02:29:12 AM »
ramset;
I disagree.

Spinner is more like a true Skeptic.

However forums and internet gave rise to thousands of synical Psycho Skeptics.

You cant argue the facts I presented. Skeptics by nature dont look close enough at evidenence supporting the theory.

They are supposed to. But in reality, most Skeptics dont look for supporting evidence, only evidence to debunk the claim.

As well as a skeptic will only choose to critisize a theory, based on his belief of it not being real.

You dont see unbiased skeptics, looking at both sides of the evidence, indifferently.

You see the exact opposite, a quick reflax action quickly pointing out the first obvious flaws or good counter claims.

This is entirely wrong way to find Any evidence, Pro or Con.

That is why skeptics will always have the Lower hand.

Note: Some True, Open Minded, Unbiased (Qualified) Skeptics, ther are reports that after investing a claim they did not believe, afterwords they believed in it due to the amount of supporting evidence they uncovered.

That is how a real skeptic works.

Unfortunetly, the theories and belief patterns of real Scientists have been shrunk into biased to unconventional theories. Accordingly, wanabe scientist skeptics also learn these techniques and add ther own "logic" to the equation and you have a fumbled solution.

It just doesnt, wont, and will never work, skeptism is only counter-productive.

This does not mean to blindly believe, or be unbiased unfairly to the Pro side of the Theory. Neutral, both sides. So naturally the majority of believers and open minded people, lack this first obstacle of unbiased opinion.

Because a believer doesnt exscusivly believe, they are open to being wrong.

Where a skeptic on the most part, exsclusivly doesnt believe in it, because that is a definition of a skeptic. And more then often, gets defensive when there claim is challenged, they refuse to be wrong, and also dislike being wrong, as well as ther "Job" of being a skeptic means, when they prove a theory wrong, they won a prize.

They won the theoretical debate. Ther smarter because they debunked this "hoax". Thus the skeptic has another disadvantage and ther is a winning and reward factor when a skeptic succesfully "debunks" a theory.

On the other hand, the believer, experimentor, or True Skeptic, does not really care if they prove or disprove the theory. Because to them, proving the theory wrong, is the same reward as proven it right

Craigy

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Re: Howard Johnson Replication Tube Claim
« Reply #289 on: March 22, 2009, 02:39:23 AM »
Couldn't you cut one of these in half to replicate his C magnet?

http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=1&p=40075&cat=1,42363,42348&ap=2

no , as they are not diametrically magnetised. I don´t thing "C" Shaped magnets are required, although the opposite pole might be having some effect on the alinco but as the stator magnet is only about half an inch thick it will only really interact with the top of the Rotor C magnets or just the top pole. Although i would be nice to know for sure if all of those magnets are presenting the same poles etc.

Replacing the magnets with all neos like i just did , will probably not get you anywhere as the properties of the original magnets are unkown at present

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Re: Howard Johnson Replication Tube Claim
« Reply #290 on: March 22, 2009, 02:44:10 AM »
Probably they should not be neos but some weaker mags to avoid cooperative effects other than the first neighbors. Maybe that's why this 3-clustering works. Pairs of 3-clusters, rather. The role of that lone 4-cluster is even more unclear.

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More videos coming from Mylow
« Reply #291 on: March 22, 2009, 03:04:36 AM »
I just talked to Mylow again. 

He is presently re-uploading his videos.

He also plans to video the motor on his glass table and upload that as well tonight.

He has constructed a new stator support of all aluminum, instead of having wood on each end.

I'm a little dubious about that one, as it could introduce some parasitic eddy currents as the rotor magnets pass by the aluminum legs nearby, creating a braking effect, perhaps even enough to keep the thing from working.

He said he had the one stator magnet re-magnetized today.  The guy said, "You can't keep coming in here.  I'm going to get in trouble with my boss."

He said he was also going to post a video showing the different in performance between stator magnets that have been magnetized with different polarities.

I agree with those of you who think Mylow over-reacted.  But at the same time, I do not agree that being rude and obnoxiuos is okay.  Put yourself in his shoes.  You've been working on this your entire adult life -- nearly 30 years -- then suddenly, viola, you have a working unit.  You know the stories about other inventors that have been suppressed, threatened, and even killed.  Now you are a potential target.  You go into paranoid mode.  Who can you trust?  Everything is viewed through different eyes.  His eyes are taking time to adjust to this new reality.  So yes, he overreacted.  But give him a break.  Being a hero is not easy work.  It takes guts, and a thick skin to put up with the kind of belittling allegations that get thrown at him.  Skeptics, tone down your rhetoric.  It's okay to be skeptical, but don't make unfounded allegations about his motives.  Your jumping to conclusions in that regard is sloppy social interaction, not based on fact.  Play nice, or go to another sand box.

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skylinetomfox's replication of MYLOW's Mangetic Motor
« Reply #292 on: March 22, 2009, 03:21:41 AM »
From: "skylinetomfox2118"
To: <HJ_Motor@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 7:05 PM
Subject: Re: MYLOW's Mangetic Motor

mylows magnet motor is the real thing guys, if any mag motor is gonna work,
this will, i tryed it on a plastic disk with some bar magnets taped to it
and put a horse shoe magnet inside, it started rotating on its own magnetic
field.   free energy is out there, we just have to harness it.
Thanks


MY REPLY:

From: "Sterling D. Allan" <sterlingda@pureenergysystems.com>
To: "skylinetomfox2118"
Cc: "Mylow Howard Johnson Motor egroup" <mylow_magmo@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 8:19 PM
Subject: skylinetomfox's replication of MYLOW's Mangetic Motor


Congrats!

I've posted your comment over at http://MylowMagnetMotor.com (PESWiki), both
under "Replications" and on the Discussion page.

Thanks for this report.  Could you please provide more info?

- did you get 360+ rotation?
- continuous?
- accelerating?
- photos?
- video?
- list of materials (specs, size, shape, source)

Sterling

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Re: Howard Johnson Replication Tube Claim
« Reply #293 on: March 22, 2009, 03:31:07 AM »
Hey, if the mylow machine is legit, then I have a good idea why it's working. Some people may not like this idea, but it just came to me, and I wasn't even thinking about how it works. This is only an idea, but it makes perfect sense. Perhaps others have thought of this -->

A rotor PM (alnico) is attracted to the stator PM. As the rotor PM approaches the stator PM, it's *slowly* demagnetizing. More on this later in the post. By the time the rotor PM has past the stator PM, it's slightly weaker, and hence less pull.

In short, the average rotor PM field strength is X while approaching the stator PM, and is less than X while leaving the stator PM.

The reason why the alnico rotor PM's slowly degauss is obvious because alnico has extremely low coercivity. So any external appreciable magnetic fields acting on the alnico bend, modify, and slowly dampen out it's internal magnetic structure, resulting in a weaker alnico PM during each pass.

I'm *not* suggesting to not replicate the mylow machine. It could be worth it, but in this case, I think the energy is coming from the slow process of degaussing the PM's. Please test for this.

PL

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Re: Howard Johnson Replication Tube Claim
« Reply #294 on: March 22, 2009, 03:35:32 AM »
BTW, it does not matter if the slow degaussing effect is on the stator and/or rotor PM's-- same results.

PL

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Re: Howard Johnson Replication Tube Claim
« Reply #295 on: March 22, 2009, 03:35:59 AM »


The steorn aproch ehh?
Hey, if the mylow machine is legit, then I have a good idea why it's working. Some people may not like this idea, but it just came to me, and I wasn't even thinking about how it works. This is only an idea, but it makes perfect sense. Perhaps others have thought of this -->

A rotor PM (alnico) is attracted to the stator PM. As the rotor PM approaches the stator PM, it's *slowly* demagnetizing. More on this later in the post. By the time the rotor PM has past the stator PM, it's slightly weaker, and hence less pull.

In short, the average rotor PM field strength is X while approaching the stator PM, and is less than X while leaving the stator PM.

The reason why the alnico rotor PM's slowly degauss is obvious because alnico has extremely low coercivity. So any external appreciable magnetic fields acting on the alnico bend, modify, and slowly dampen out it's internal magnetic structure, resulting in a weaker alnico PM during each pass.

I'm *not* suggesting to not replicate the mylow machine. It could be worth it, but in this case, I think the energy is coming from the slow process of degaussing the PM's. Please test for this.

PL

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Re: Howard Johnson Replication Tube Claim
« Reply #296 on: March 22, 2009, 04:04:44 AM »
G'day all,

I think we all agree that there has been no threat against Mylow or his family in this thread.

As to E-mail and PM I ask how that could be possible. I have checked this thread again and I cannot find a post originated by Mylow, nor do I see an E-mail address for him.

So how could anyone here have contacted him apart from the people who speak for him here and are evidently in contact with him.

It pisses me off when these unfounded wild allegations are being made without evidence. If true, it would have been a simple matter to quote the offending post.

Which begs the question: What is really going on here?

Just something to think about

Hans von Lieven

Hans,

You may be correct that 'mylow'  has never posted or left an e-mail address to back track him on this forum.  But there definitely is one on his "Youtube" account!

Also may I add that the sound of a motor has been mentioned being heard as he starts the rotor. One member here believes it to be a powered wheel hidden behind a wall. If I were to believe in this theory I like Eric's version at minato wheel better, he believes its possibly a fan sitting just out of camera range blowing air across the rotor magnets.

Ralph Lortie

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PaulLowrance

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Re: Howard Johnson Replication Tube Claim
« Reply #297 on: March 22, 2009, 04:10:28 AM »
Has mylow ever placed two of the rotor PM's face to face to help show their field orientation?

PL

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Re: skylinetomfox's replication of MYLOW's Mangetic Motor
« Reply #298 on: March 22, 2009, 04:14:30 AM »
From: "skylinetomfox2118"
To: <HJ_Motor@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 7:05 PM
Subject: Re: MYLOW's Mangetic Motor

mylows magnet motor is the real thing guys, if any mag motor is gonna work,
this will, i tryed it on a plastic disk with some bar magnets taped to it
and put a horse shoe magnet inside, it started rotating on its own magnetic
field.   free energy is out there, we just have to harness it.
Thanks

It is quite well known that you can get Howard Johnson's "Stonehenge Motor" to rotate with a handheld magnet, similar to a Hamel spinner. This experiment was in the 1980's performed by Johnson in front of USPTO assessors and was instrumental in him obtaining his patents.

I remember reading about it at the time.

What Howard never managed though, in spite of over 20 years of well funded experimentation, was to build a proper motor that ran unaided by the vibrations of the human hand.

If Mylow has managed to crack this he is to be congratulated, but please don't blame us for a degree of skepticism in regards to that device.

I wish him luck, but frankly I need a little bit more convincing than a video on You-tube.

Hans von Lieven

sterlinga

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Live Interview with Mylow Monday Night
« Reply #299 on: March 22, 2009, 04:40:06 AM »
Added to http://MylowMagnetMotor.com

Interview

On March 23, 2009, from 9:00 - 10:00 pm Pacific, Sterling D. Allan will be conducting a live 1-hour interview with Mylow as part of the Free Energy Now radio series.

See http://FreeEnergyNow.net