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Offline alan

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #615 on: June 17, 2021, 03:01:49 PM »
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« Reply #616 on: June 17, 2021, 06:32:52 PM »
Thank you ... But this is all according to Faraday.
And I wanted according to Mayer, or at least according to Mitchell ...

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #617 on: June 17, 2021, 07:00:47 PM »
True, but many components are useful for the VIC method too.If you want to understand how the VIC works, look up hyiq on yt. All cop>1 devices are based on the same principle and he explored and explained it.

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #618 on: June 19, 2021, 07:27:14 AM »
Thank you ... But this is all according to Faraday.
And I wanted according to Mayer, or at least according to Mitchell ...




Good to see that you caught that Alan was leading you in the wrong direction which is away from Meyer's technology and back into Dr. Faraday's technology. Just note that what Meyer did is practically the opposite of what Dr. Faraday did.
The VIC circuit as a whole includes the transformer, the blocking diode, and the water capacitor, as well as the pulsing circuit but it just drives the Voltage Intensifier Circuit. The transformer must be matched almost perfectly for the load it is to drive following standard transformer building techniques. The primary change is the capacitor is variable from around 30 pf to 1 pf if you built the cell to Meyer's specifications. It will start off with 30 pf and drop when it starts to produce gases as those gases will displace the dielectric medium which causes the capacitance to go down. This will require higher frequencies to be used to keep the system in resonance which is the job of the PLL part of the circuitry.


These transformers are the hardest part of this technology to get right as you just don't slap some wire on a bobbin form and call it a day. It must be matched which takes a lot of trial and error. I posted Meyer's turn count data for the transformer he used to drive the injectors already so I'll leave it to you to find it and read those numbers. Note when changing things as I have in order to have the transformer drive a WFC everything changes as the specs for the injector transformer will not have enough power to drive a WFC. So I had to stumble around through a lot of trial and error testing until I got the power factor high enough for the transformer to be able to drive a larger load. Basically I had to change the wire sizes and redo practically everything from scratch. Once I started getting high voltage to be applied to the WFC I knew I was heading in the right direction and not until that bit showing how to use Meyer's formulas came out did I have what I needed to finish this technology. Again I have already shared this information in this thread.


In a way it's much like a car's stereo system if the amp isn't rated to handle a 1 ohm load it will overheat and not be able to drive the load effectively at all. The power that the amp is built for must match the load it is to drive. As speakers move the load they present to the amplifier changes so they too are a variable load just as the WFC is a variable capacitor. Thus these transformer must be built to handle the load they are expected to power. For the most part in what I see people doing is not even trying to figure out how to go about matching the transformers they make to match the load they want to power with it. This is one of the primary reasons why I cation people not to start making changes to this technology when it comes to the WFC specs as to do so changes the load they present to the transformer. We only have little information to go off of that is useful from what Meyer did and to keep constantly making changes to the different parts of this technology before one has a chance to learn how it works is not a good idea. So, again just like a car amplifier that is rated for a 4 ohm load you must get speakers that are at 4 ohms for the amp to drive. Now this amp can power 8 ohm speakers effectively but not 2 ohm speakers.


Now for the changes I made was just like trying to force a 8 ohm rated amp to power a 1 ohm load so I had to build a stronger amplifier as a result. The new transformer I made is a lot beefier than Meyer's injector transformer as the load it is to power is far greater than Meyer's injectors. I hope this all makes sense to you as I can't tell you how to build a transformer to power a load that isn't the same as the one I am using. This is the true trial and error testing we all must go through to match the power source to the load we intend on driving with it. You are going to have to learn to make use of programs like this: [size=78%]http://www.learningaboutelectronics.com/Articles/Impedance-matching-calculator.php?fbclid=IwAR2j3HO74GEKPfHouc0U-W_143jBaFV_ZordF1BzW84AyS_-6BIfY8m8kME[/size] as there is no other way to go about building and designing these transformers to match the load they are intended to drive. And again I warn all of you that if you made changes to what Meyer did the results your transformer will have to drive your unique load will be a lot different from what Meyer used. But the scientific concepts I shared with all of you will still hold as the goal is to break the bonds of the water molecules by way of taking away the electrons from the atoms that make up the water molecules which is how mother nature goes about breaking the bonds of the water molecules.


As far as I know these transformers are the hardest part to build correctly and understand just what it is you are doing and why. So, with that being said best of luck to you all as I have done my part in sharing the science behind this technology. But as you can see there is still more to learn.


Take care,
Edward

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #619 on: June 19, 2021, 12:08:59 PM »
Hello,[/size] how much hho L / min did you generate at how much power? greeting [/size]

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #620 on: June 19, 2021, 12:26:12 PM »
"Good to see that you caught that Alan was leading you in the wrong direction"
The chinese discovered the "hho" hype and have designed and professionally fabricated complete parts ready to use, like pulser modules and cells, filters and arrestors, no more need to mess and  mill parts yourself. They also sell well made hho welders and bedini setups for peanuts. If the vic works and cop exceeds 1, they'll "steal" it too. They are opportunistic and ain't wasting time. 

Meyer was ahead of his time: 
https://www.nature.com/articles/nenergy201772

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #621 on: June 19, 2021, 05:48:51 PM »
"Good to see that you caught that Alan was leading you in the wrong direction"
The chinese discovered the "hho" hype and have designed and professionally fabricated complete parts ready to use, like pulser modules and cells, filters and arrestors, no more need to mess and  mill parts yourself. They also sell well made hho welders and bedini setups for peanuts. If the vic works and cop exceeds 1, they'll "steal" it too. They are opportunistic and ain't wasting time. 

Meyer was ahead of his time: 
https://www.nature.com/articles/nenergy201772


Unless I personally teach them how the technology works they, the Chinese, will not be stealing anything. You see in order to steal a technology one must first understand how it works and since there is nothing in the science books about how this technology works they can't understand it. With this technology as we have all seen, people can actually have Meyer's tech in their hands and not get the technology to work. Just ask Don Gable or the other folks that brought Meyer's technology how having Meyer's tech in their hands has worked out for them? This is not a technology that yields itself to being copied by outsiders as Meyer went out of his way to make sure something like that simply wouldn't happen to him. As such no one that has physically held Meyer's technology in their hands has been able to make much sense of it. You can even take me as an example as since I managed to put a high voltage potential to the WFC back in 2012 no one else in the world has managed to do so besides me that I am aware of.


I don't teach everything that I know about this technology and I promise you I will not be releasing any of my designs to the general public any time soon. All I do now is point people in the right direction and leave them to themselves to figure out how the technology works on their own just as I had to do but they are getting a head start with my pointing them in the right direction. You see I had no one pointing me in the right direction as I had to figure out everything on my own making use of the scientific method, but I did have a lot of people popping up out of the woodwork pointing me in the wrong direction. Say if someone stole one of my VIC transformers. They are not going to get any turn count data from it as it's vacuum resin sealed, and I brush off the specs of the blocking diodes I use. I have learned to be just as doggy as Meyer was as that's the only defense towards keeping the technology from being stolen. Here on this thread the only thing I gave away was that which I had promised I would do and that was the science behind the technology. So, I kept my promise that I made so many years ago.


Each time I'd ask someone to mirror me or just simply to work with me on this technology while I was figuring things out I was turned down or back stabbed when thy thought they knew enough to get the technology up and running so now I keep a lot of things to myself as a result. Those are the lessons I got from the school of hard knocks. I stopped sharing my data a long time ago as each time that I would do so it would elicit anger from those I showed. I no longer give much of any information about how these devices I've built perform. I will share some of my mistakes with the hopes people learn from those mistakes but not much else. Someone just ask for some information about how my stuff is working and I will simply ignore the request. Trust me I have my reasons for doing so that are outside of the normal talks we have on this site as there are still many out there that simply wish this technology to never see the light of day.


Then there's people like you Alan, who come to this thread with little to no understanding of how this technology works but feel they know enough to add in their two cents. If you push the gases created by this technology through a bubbler you lose all that you gained energy wise from this technology. This is especially true of the Gas Processor as all those unstable gas atoms will stabilize in a water bath and trust me that is not the desired effect you want to see with this technology. This technology is nothing like Dr. Faraday's electrolysis at all as it is making use of science that, as of yet, is not in the books of science used for study right now as it's brand new information. Now I could teach you how to make those hho generators be effective at lowering the fuel consumption of a internal combustion engine and since I am not doing much of anything at the moment why don't I go ahead and share that information with you all right now?


Those hho devices have a fixed output for the most part that does not raise or lower with the engine's revolutions per minute as the engine is being operated. Nor do they sense varying load conditions that will increase the amount of hho being generated to match the working conditions a engine will run into while they are being operated. As such one must have access to the engines fuel management system and a engine dyno and rewrite the power curve for the engine leaning out the fuel mixture where it needs to be leaned out. In other words you have to tell the engine's fuel management system that you added in another fuel for it to consider as it operates the engine at various speeds and loading conditions. If you don't have access to the fuel management system and a dyno to remap the added fuel into the system the fuel management system will simply add in more fuel making the car have worse fuel economy over time not better when adding in one of these hho devices to a car.
Lets say you got ahold of a good one like one of Bob Boyce's units that puts out around 24 LPM. You have to calculate how much fuel that is being added into the system and use that information to remap a new fossil fuel usage use as the engine is being operated. Since most of these hho unites do not increase/decrease their output with the car varying speeds and load conditions the faster the engine is run or the higher the load that is place on the engine the less effective the added hho to the system will be as it is being added to the system at a steady/fixed rate. This is how to correctly add a hho setup to a cars fuel system for it to be effective at lowering the car's fuel consumption giving you better fuel economy.


Now again if you don't have access to the car's fuel management system so that you can make changes to it and map those changes made on an engine dyno then adding one of these hho devices to a car is a waste of time as it will make the car use more fuel not less as the car doesn't sense any hydrogen being added to the system. The car's fuel management system only senses more oxygen has been added to the system and will add in more fuel as a result to maintain the 14.7 to 1 fuel ratio it's been programed to maintain.
Not so simple huh? People run around thinking all they have to do is slap one of these devices to their cars and all will be well and now you can see that is just foolish thoughts of someone not understanding the systems they are trying to improve upon, yes? Now what to you have to say about those well built Chines hho devices as I am sure they don't tell the buyers that they need to remap the car's fuel management systems so that they can have positive results with the hho device they just brought do they? Why don't they tell folks this information? Because those folks making the devices don't have an understanding how a modern car's fuel management system actually works. Furthermore they don't care as all they want is the money.


Hope you learned something from me and also note I am not some dummy just posting stuff to gain likes or something like that. I did make use of the scientific method on Meyer's technology and solved just what it is mimicking in nature.


Shalom,
Edward

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #622 on: June 20, 2021, 01:27:38 PM »
My version of the thyristor circuit, 8XA ?   Only one arrester.
The voltages are high, you can make at least a few kilovolts.
Subsequently, a bifilar choke was added to the cell circuit.
And no free vibrations were noticed on the cell. A single impulse and that's it.
But again, everything is according to Faraday.  >:(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEgv8zIFccc

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« Reply #623 on: June 20, 2021, 05:22:05 PM »
I think Meyer never mentioned the resonant frequency of water, only resonance of the LCL charging network, so a high Q voltage forms over each component. Then  phase manipulation  by means of the coil setup (partnered opposite output coils) must oppose / delay current while allowing polarization through displacement current by an external voltage field instead of the charge integral. Polarized water creates a voltage by itself, that's probably how the watercap will hold an electrostatic field potential, until it releases electrons (ionization) and the covalent bind breaks and the electrons can be consumed by the amp consuming device. Current is equal, each component's voltage phase differs.
 correct me if I'm wrong.

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #624 on: June 21, 2021, 10:53:36 AM »
My version of the thyristor circuit, 8XA ?   Only one arrester.
The voltages are high, you can make at least a few kilovolts.
Subsequently, a bifilar choke was added to the cell circuit.
And no free vibrations were noticed on the cell. A single impulse and that's it.
But again, everything is according to Faraday.  >:(

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Hi Kolbacict,


Here's the problem in a nutshell. Once you step away from what Meyer did you are on your own as you are doing something I would have not spent any time studying. At first I just wanted to get at the science behind the technology but once I saw that this technology goes way beyond just making use of water as a source of fuel I started making things. This technology is very much as Meyer said it was, "Only limited by the mind of the inventor to find a use for it." This is why getting at the science behind the technology was so important to me as the only way I could reasonably make use of it is only if I understood the underlying science behind the technology.


I still do not see why you just don't fully copy what Stanley Meyer did and go from there? Why try and change things so that if you do figure something out you will not be protected by the patent laws and as such someone with deeper pockets than you will copy what you did, patent it, and stop you from using it outright.

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #625 on: June 21, 2021, 11:44:02 AM »
I think Meyer never mentioned the resonant frequency of water, only resonance of the LCL charging network, so a high Q voltage forms over each component. Then  phase manipulation  by means of the coil setup (partnered opposite output coils) must oppose / delay current while allowing polarization through displacement current by an external voltage field instead of the charge integral. Polarized water creates a voltage by itself, that's probably how the watercap will hold an electrostatic field potential, until it releases electrons (ionization) and the covalent bind breaks and the electrons can be consumed by the amp consuming device. Current is equal, each component's voltage phase differs.
 correct me if I'm wrong.


Hello Alan,


This is a RLC setup for as far as I am aware of water doesn't have a resonant frequency and in Meyer's setup is just part of the Voltage Intensifier Circuit being used as a dielectric liquid and a resistor that completes the circuit path way. When the transformer is wired correctly it is all wired in series on the secondary side that is to say the start of one coil is connected to the end of the other as shown in Meyer's dot diagram. The dot represents the start of the winding of the coil and shows how one it just wired right into the other in series with the capacitor which is also a bunch of little capacitors wired in series. The WFC will not work if water isn't part of the setup as it's needed to complete the series connected resonant cavities so, no water no series circuit.


The blocking diode has only two conditions, it is either ON or it's OFF and from there you can map out which way the current is flowing. When the switch is ON representing a closed circuit condition current is flowing from the capacitor as it discharges through the transformer coils as those coils are wired to the capacitor in a way that directly shorts the capacitor out. When the switch if OFF current is flowing from the chokes to the capacitor as it charges up the capacitor. Meyer tries to illustrate this in figures, 7-5, 7-6, and 7-8. Note that he doesn't even show the secondary coil at all because the blocking diode switch is OFF thus making it an OPEN circuit. What makes this Voltage Intensifier Circuit so special is how it mimic's a thunderstorm electronically. The part that I figure out that is so important shows how a thunderstorm works in that they are capable of breaking down any molecule that finds it's way into them to include the water molecule. This part of what I shared isn't fully understood in the scientific community and thus isn't in any textbook for one to read and study from. Trust me if they knew this no plane would be allowed to fly through an active thunderstorm as it's engines could ignite a pocket of hydrogen and oxygen gas that was generated by the bottom of the storm system headed to the top of the storm to make thunder as it gets ignited by the top of the cloud. You have felt this explosion taking place in the clouds overhead as it shakes the ground on which you stood upon. That ground shaking thunder you experienced was a hydrogen and oxygen explosion taking place in the clouds over your head. Basically what I found in my studies was things mainstream science missed as they rushed to say they knew all they was to know about something as from what I was able to find out clearly they didn't understand all that was going on when mother nature breaks the bonds of the water molecules as that very question was never asked by them. And since they never asked the question in the first place then how could they ever answer it? This is the importance of my work on all of this filling in the missing parts that the scientific community missed as they rushed through their work in trying to explain things.


Hope that helps you understand this a bit better.
Take care,
Edward

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I still do not see why you just don't fully copy what Stanley Meyer did and go from there?
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It's just that I'm very lonely here.
Am I going to you?

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« Reply #627 on: July 01, 2021, 09:25:39 PM »
And if instead of the second electrode in the cell, you use the capacitance of a solitary conductor.
Which is not connected to anything, but has enough capacity.
Provided that the frequency is high enough.
A certain volume of water can be used as a secluded container.

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« Reply #628 on: July 03, 2021, 08:44:08 AM »
And if instead of the second electrode in the cell, you use the capacitance of a solitary conductor.
Which is not connected to anything, but has enough capacity.
Provided that the frequency is high enough.
A certain volume of water can be used as a secluded container.


I have no idea what you are talking about and since you prove to me that you just don't want to do things the right way following my lead I think there is no hope for you ever being able to get this technology up and running. I laid out practically everything concerning this technology, gone over key concepts in great detail multiple times, and still you just don't wish to do things the correct way. I'm not sure but just maybe there is but one way to get this technology to work as I have seen people like you try every other way out there, except the right way, known to man. Everything you have done up to this point has ended up in failure but for reasons unknown you simply refuse to do things the proper way as I have laid out in this thread. Perhaps I was wrong about you and if so then there's a good chance this technology just isn't for you as the way you are heading you will never be able to get this technology to work.


Once I have enough funds to get the rest of the equipment I need I guess I will get started on seeing what I can do to get this technology into the marketplace. I know it's not going to be easy as those that wish for things to stay the way they are while the earth is showing clear signs that we must change away from the use of fossil fuels are still trying to keep this technology out of the marketplace. Sure, the earth will still be here but that's missing the point as the real point is will the earth still be able to support life as we know it?


The only way that I can see humanity starting to do something to fix the damage we have all contributed too is with this technology. I don't see any other technology out there that works with mother nature as this technology does. As a result I have doubled my efforts to raise the funds I need to be able to move forwards with this technology. I wish folks on this site would willing choose to give me a helping hand financially as this is going to be a major undertaking to get this technology into the marketplace where it can start turning the tide on our climate change problems. It's going up against all that mine, process, sale, and distribute energy, which is to include the fossil fuel industry and any company that sells energy by way of moving that energy on the world's grid supply network. The whole thing needs to be changed for us to have a chance at turning the tide on our climate change problems.


Shalom Everyone,
Edward

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #629 on: July 03, 2021, 09:11:20 AM »
RF energy can be injected into the cell over a single wire. The second electrode can be a solitary capacitance. Is not it ?   ;)

 

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