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Offline h20power

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #495 on: April 20, 2021, 05:53:00 PM »
h20power
No disrespect to you, bud, but I have a hard time believing that you don't see the impossibility of selling such tech to the masses. I feel like your real goal is to pick up were Stan left off and actually accept the offer of Billions that Stan claims to have refused. Who could blame you? After all, it's a tough world! But I wouldn't count on things being the same for you as with Stan with regards to any billion dollar offers. These days, why pay out billions and leave a loose end when things can be taken care of by any old crack head for a $20 rock?
Just food for thought.


Now I find post like these disturbing as this is basically telling me to stop what I am doing if I want to live. I see it as a death threat as it is clearly stating that if I keep it up, in my trying to put this technology on the marketplace, I will more than like be put to death.


The message of this post reads loud and clear to me, "If I keep on my current path bad things will happen to me so I should just quit while I am ahead." Defeatist type talk like this Meyer also spoke about in some of his lectures. "Oh you can't buck City Hall," or other types of defeatist talk designed to make the masses never try and challenge or change the system. But if we don't our children, my children, will have no future.
Being that it took me so long to solve this technology I had time to plan things out for when I did solve the technology. I am right now following that plan I made a while ago and know it is one that I should be able to tell the tale when this is all said and done. But know if we don't fight for it we will not get it and the future for your children and children's children doesn't look so good if we given in to defeatist ideology now.


The time to fight is now as this climate change problem can't be swept under the rug and there is no place to run and no place to hide from it.

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #496 on: April 20, 2021, 06:05:52 PM »
A death threat? What part of "No disrespect to you, bud," did you not understand?
I'm simply telling you how I see things from MY perspective! The world is RULED by people who sell energy to us. Do you really think that they would allow anyone to upset their gravy train? What you do is your business! If you think that you can buck the system, then more power to you!

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #497 on: April 20, 2021, 07:13:30 PM »
A death threat? What part of "No disrespect to you, bud," did you not understand?
I'm simply telling you how I see things from MY perspective! The world is RULED by people who sell energy to us. Do you really think that they would allow anyone to upset their gravy train? What you do is your business! If you think that you can buck the system, then more power to you!


I read your post quit clearly and if you think your, "No disrespect to you, bud," comment makes things all fine and dandy I say to you, "Dis some bull-shit!." Your post comes from a defeatist perspective where you have already given up the fight for your children's future. Or if you have no children given up the fight for the children of others. There is always a risk when doing something and one must weigh which one will leave them worse off and I say to sit back and do nothing as the planet's ability to support life is threatened is the worse case possibility.


I think this play on words gets people into the wrong frame of mind as the world isn't coming to an end but it's ability to support life as we know it is. Sure it will recover but in order for it to do so a lot of things will have happened like perhaps a drastic cut in the human population say 95-98% of us gone as then the planet will recover from the messes we left behind as time doesn't mean all that much to the planet as it's not going anywhere soon. This play on words makes people think laterally where they are moving but sideways thus accomplishing nothing.


When I was a child I had no idea in my lifetime I would see something happen that would threaten the entire planets ability to support life. And to think I joined the military to fight on the wrong side of all of this for a time in my life makes me sick. But I did serve and did fight for them which is apart of my history now. But that's not the end of the story for as long as I live I can choose to fight for what's right and this technology is part of that fight as it gives hope for my children's future. With what I know about this technology engines converted to use this technology will no longer pollute the air as they are operated but clean the air as they are operated. And it's the only technology that I know of that can tackle air travel. So, I must fight for this and if it cost me my life so be it as I know I will have died fighting for a good future for my children than fighting for a future where life is harsh and bleak with very little to look forwards too.


So, yeah I read your post correctly, but the true question is did you? You see I don't take what you wrote as an attempt or threat against my life coming from you personally but as you attempting to get me to join the ranks of the defeated right along side of you. Is what I wrote there clear enough for you? You have given up and wish me to throw in the towel also but that's not me never will be. For as long as I draw breath I will fight for a better future for my children and for future generations to come. I didn't come this far to throw in the towel and give up now that all is solved and the technology is now ready to go and do it's job of cleaning up the messes we have made.


Those that sell energy time has come for it's now time to begin the healing process of the damage they have done to our planet in the name of greed and lust for power.


Here is a quote I'd like all of you to read and ponder upon:[quoteI just love the meaning to this!  [/color][/size]



A father said to his daughter “You have graduated with honors, here is a car I bought many years ago. It is pretty old now. But before I give it to you, take it to the used car lot downtown and tell them I want to sell it and see how much they offer you for it.”

The daughter went to the used car lot, returned to her father and said, “They offered me $1,000 because the said it looks pretty worn out.”

The father said, now “Take it to the pawn shop.” The daughter went to the pawn shop, returned to her father and said,”The pawn shop offered only $100 because it is an old car.”

The father asked his daughter to go to a car club now and show them the car. The daughter then took the car to the club, returned and told her father,” Some people in the club offered $100,000 for it because it’s a Nissan Skyline R34, it's an iconic car and sought by many collectors”
Now the father said this to his daughter, “The right place values you the right way,” If you are not valued, do not be angry, it means you are in the wrong place. Those who know your value are those who appreciate you......Never stay in a place where no one sees your value. [/color][/size]=AZWIjxL5mf1v1gVc7acgIELmKo_SW-hPhi5mxD6OzTvdWYk_s7N6NaZyVJPMbTLdofMUhjtN5VgP_XPGhMEdmCB0HR4O3ITy0IIhtsusXs2m4R6VtGaDY_67enXj7TPE7Q_8Z-5Ma0fa_nPxm19te322N0oFLY2y3WKc7XjN5ulD7rEJCgmTe3M7tigq2IyHJx8&__tn__=*NK-y-R]#knowyourworth[/color][/size]]


With this I think that I am in the wrong place as very clearly no one here seems to know my worth.


Edward Mitchell
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« Last Edit: April 20, 2021, 10:37:20 PM by h20power »

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #498 on: April 21, 2021, 12:41:06 AM »
Edward
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I read your post quit clearly and if you think your, "No disrespect to you, bud," comment makes things all fine and dandy I say to you, "Dis some bull-shit!." Your post comes from a defeatist perspective where you have already given up the fight for your children's future. Or if you have no children given up the fight for the children of others. There is always a risk when doing something and one must weigh which one will leave them worse off and I say to sit back and do nothing as the planet's ability to support life is threatened is the worse case possibility.

I would agree and there are many who cannot accept change even though everything is always changing all around them.

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With this I think that I am in the wrong place as very clearly no one here seems to know my worth.

We define our worth through our own actions not others. I could be sitting on a FE technology worth billions as we speak which is powering my house and others unaware of this fact have no bearing on it's reality. They could jump up and down, howl at the moon or believe any number of things but what they cannot do is change this reality. Oh, they would love to believe "using there words" could miraculously change others reality however it cannot. Reality is defined by actions not beliefs or words.

Which is where my country boy, "go fuck yourself", attitude comes in handy. I mean, who is anyone to tell us what we can and cannot do within reason?. No offense but other people and what they believe is severely overrated. If nothing else based solely on what they have done to invoke real change beyond what every other Tom, Dick and Harry could do.

Edward, the fact your here and have put in the time and effort to try to understand this field of technology makes you exceptional in my opinion. Your the 1% of 1% of 1% of people who strive to understand nature in a field of technology few even know exists. The mistake is thinking we need to prove ourselves to others in my opinion. If my house is being powered by FE as we speak and nobody knows it's kind of like a tree falling in the forest which nobody hears.

The fact remains that with or without us FE technology is inevitable, there is no belief or disbelief in it... only knowledge and understanding.

Regards
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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #499 on: April 21, 2021, 01:46:37 AM »
h20power

Let me ask you something,
Are you familiar with patent law? If you are, then you know that you can't use Stan Meyer's tech with out legal authority. You can't use Stan's tech to solicit donations and you can't build and sell Stan's tech without legal authority. Do you have legal authority to build and sell Stan's tech? If not then no matter what you say about defeatist rhetoric, etc, you will not only NOT be able to sell tech based on Stan's patents, but if you have used Stan's tech to solicit donations then you have also put yourself in legal peril with the law. You can make up whatever nonsensical interpretations that you want about anything I've said to you or anyone else, but guess what bud, YOUR interpretations mean squat in a court of law! All you have done is make claims that you know how to make Stan's tech work, those are just words and mean nothing to no one! So you've been able to get some voltage to the WFC. BIG DEAL! Do what Stan did and then MAYBE someone will take you seriously. Until then, you should stop barking up trees looking for any way you can to get something for free! ALL my opinion, which I'm entitled to under the UNITED STATES Constitution!

P.S. I'm all for bucking the system. But I'm not for doing it in a way that will cause me harm legal or otherwise. All I've done in my posts is try to get you to see the big picture with regard to this tech to HELP you, NOT deter you! But if you choose to read my comments otherwise, then be my guest!  But by all means, please keep pursuing this tech. If you should happen to find a way around Stan's patent's, then all the better. But please be aware of the law, not as a deterrent to your pursuit, but as motivation to do it the right way!

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #500 on: April 21, 2021, 02:45:36 AM »

[snip}

Here is a quote I'd like all of you to read and ponder upon:[quoteI just love the meaning to this!  [/color][/size]



A father said to his daughter “You have graduated with honors, here is a car I bought many years ago. It is pretty old now. But before I give it to you, take it to the used car lot downtown and tell them I want to sell it and see how much they offer you for it.”

The daughter went to the used car lot, returned to her father and said, “They offered me $1,000 because the said it looks pretty worn out.”

The father said, now “Take it to the pawn shop.” The daughter went to the pawn shop, returned to her father and said,”The pawn shop offered only $100 because it is an old car.”

The father asked his daughter to go to a car club now and show them the car. The daughter then took the car to the club, returned and told her father,” Some people in the club offered $100,000 for it because it’s a Nissan Skyline R34, it's an iconic car and sought by many collectors”
Now the father said this to his daughter, “The right place values you the right way,” If you are not valued, do not be angry, it means you are in the wrong place. Those who know your value are those who appreciate you......Never stay in a place where no one sees your value. [/color][/size]=AZWIjxL5mf1v1gVc7acgIELmKo_SW-hPhi5mxD6OzTvdWYk_s7N6NaZyVJPMbTLdofMUhjtN5VgP_XPGhMEdmCB0HR4O3ITy0IIhtsusXs2m4R6VtGaDY_67enXj7TPE7Q_8Z-5Ma0fa_nPxm19te322N0oFLY2y3WKc7XjN5ulD7rEJCgmTe3M7tigq2IyHJx8&__tn__=*NK-y-R]#knowyourworth[/color][/size]]


With this I think that I am in the wrong place as very clearly no one here seems to know my worth.


Edward Mitchell
CEO and Owner
True Green Solutions

Edward,

First, I love your quoted story!  I can relate because I am a car nut and also because I resonate with the underlying message.

Second, I don't think you are in the wrong place, I think that those of us who do appreciate your analysis and work need to speak up.  My interests in OU research do not include hydrogen generation but I recognize when one has "paid their dues" so to speak with their efforts to learn to gain understanding and then apply the knowledge.  This to me speaks highly of the "character" of the individual.

Continue on my friend as we all have an uphill road when it comes to the methods of how we break down the walls of those who control our lives through energy, etc.

Regards,
Pm

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #501 on: April 21, 2021, 05:43:14 AM »
Can you, with this technology, create a high potential difference in another electrically conductive liquid, not water?
And yet, gases should be released in the entire volume of water, and not on the electrode itself.
Is not it ?

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #502 on: April 21, 2021, 06:24:04 AM »
h20power

Let me ask you something,
Are you familiar with patent law? If you are, then you know that you can't use Stan Meyer's tech with out legal authority. You can't use Stan's tech to solicit donations and you can't build and sell Stan's tech without legal authority. Do you have legal authority to build and sell Stan's tech? If not then no matter what you say about defeatist rhetoric, etc, you will not only NOT be able to sell tech based on Stan's patents, but if you have used Stan's tech to solicit donations then you have also put yourself in legal peril with the law. You can make up whatever nonsensical interpretations that you want about anything I've said to you or anyone else, but guess what bud, YOUR interpretations mean squat in a court of law! All you have done is make claims that you know how to make Stan's tech work, those are just words and mean nothing to no one! So you've been able to get some voltage to the WFC. BIG DEAL! Do what Stan did and then MAYBE someone will take you seriously. Until then, you should stop barking up trees looking for any way you can to get something for free! ALL my opinion, which I'm entitled to under the UNITED STATES Constitution!

P.S. I'm all for bucking the system. But I'm not for doing it in a way that will cause me harm legal or otherwise. All I've done in my posts is try to get you to see the big picture with regard to this tech to HELP you, NOT deter you! But if you choose to read my comments otherwise, then be my guest!  But by all means, please keep pursuing this tech. If you should happen to find a way around Stan's patent's, then all the better. But please be aware of the law, not as a deterrent to your pursuit, but as motivation to do it the right way!


Again you come at me telling me I should basically throw in the towel and give it up, but did you know those patents have already expired? I think some of them expired back in 2008 and his injectors in 2012. I mean you truly should do just a little bit of research before you speak as this shows your aim is to get me to stop, pack it all up, and run along and do something else. Something else you don't seem to be aware of is Dr. Dingle of the Philippines was the first that I know of to run a car with nothing but water in it's tank for fuel and yes I spoke with him before his passing. Bet you didn't know that, huh?


Most patents last between 14-20 years depending on the type of patent and it's been far longer than that with Meyer's patents from his filling date. So there is no legal troubles I will be getting into. Not sure where you are trying to go with these talks and I'd be willing to bet neither do you. I'm not some young pup with dreams of grandeur I'm a old man now with thoughts of helping those in our world that need it the most and actually doing something that works against our climate change problems.


It's sad to see someone that has given up who's mind is totally defeated by the mere thought of doing something that has the possibility to change the world for the betterment of all that live on the planet. You come to me attempting to recruit me into your defeated mindset and I say to you, "No, I will not join you!" You see I don't talk about my plans as there are people like you in this world whom act more or less like crabs in a bucket and will thus work towards tossing a monkey wrench into those plans the first chance they get to do so. What, are you planning on calling the Patient Office and tell them I started a GoFundMe page concerning this technology not knowing that these patents have expired many years ago? In fact come 2026 it will be twenty years since I have started working on this technology and please note Meyer has been dead for twenty three years now.


Or perhaps you are now upset at me for beating the crap out of you with just words and want to get even with me when in reality I don't even know your first name, who you are, or care anything about you. To me you simply don't exist in my world a pure nobody that has attempted to get me to stop what it is I am planning and failed. So, please stop trying to talk to me for as of now I don't care to ever get to know you. Stop posting on my thread as you are wasting my time as well as all the many readers of this thread's time. No one wishes to hear of your Defeatist Propaganda as we are all still in this fight against the powers that be whom are hell bent on taking away the future of our children and children's children.


So, please do not reply to this comment as I truly never wish to hear from you ever again.


Be well,
Edward

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #503 on: April 21, 2021, 06:33:38 AM »
Can you, with this technology, create a high potential difference in another electrically conductive liquid, not water?
And yet, gases should be released in the entire volume of water, and not on the electrode itself.
Is not it ?

I haven't tried yet but I don't see any reason why not. The main theme of this technology seems to be at targeting the electrons of the atoms to break the bonds of any molecules they may form into with other atoms. But it even goes further than this as it truly is as Meyer stated when he said, "This technology is only limited to the mind of the inventor to find a use for it." I for one can tell you I will be doing many things with this technology now that I understand how it works.


You have a good mind and an act for being creative. Don't ever lose that as I feel one day you will even outshine me and Stanley Meyer. Keep your nose to the grindstone of science and see how far you can take this technology with that creative mind of yours. You are the future this world needs as you are the next generation and old cats like me are at the end of our lives now.


Take care,
Edward

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #504 on: April 21, 2021, 09:29:59 AM »
Ed
It will take courage ...you seem to have in abundance !




Perhaps we can change more for our children than just our energy issues...


Thx
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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #505 on: April 21, 2021, 10:10:38 AM »
Ed
It will take courage ...you seem to have in abundance !




Perhaps we can change more for our children than just our energy issues...


Thx
Chet






This I believe with all my heart Chet as in my imagination I have seen a glimpse of what this technology can do and it's all good. There is much work to do to this world to fix all of the many messes those in power have made. But it all starts with a single act of kindness aimed at the poorest among us. Those whom our energy enslavement masters have no more use for. Together we will push those masters off of their thrones as the world is starting to hurt due to their never ending greed and lust for power.


I will start off slow but it will grow until the old technology is no more. I have the courage to see this through as our children need us to fix the sins of our forefathers and show them there is a better way.


No more kicking the can down the road for them to deal with alone as we will stand with our children and start the healing process cleaning up all the many messes left by our polluting way of life until a time will come again where one can drink the water from any stream or creek as it use to be in the days of old.


I don't know what the future will bring but I do know that with this technology it will be better than what we have today.


Much thanks Chet,
Edward

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #506 on: April 21, 2021, 10:46:03 AM »
To me you simply don't exist in my world a pure nobody that has attempted to get me to stop what it is I am planning and failed.

Then why do you keep twisting my words?
You are the only one who said anything about being a defeatist. You made that crap up because you didn't like me pointing out MY belief that you would never be allowed to sell this tech and so your ultimate goal would be to take the money, unlike Stan did. You then falsely accuse me of threatening your life, when you know damn well I did nothing of the sort.
You preach a lot like you know it all, but I see now why you have so many negative stories to tell. Anyone who looks at the posts I've made in this forum knows that I've been saying the same things about the powers-that-be for quite awhile. Has your ego grown so big that you think you can defeat the people who rule this world? If so good for you! Save the planet then, buddy! Stop twisting my words and making false accusations against me and I won't need to respond to you!

Smarter than Stan?  https://youtu.be/pKZ_67cReu0

"And if you look at all of our patents, you apply a voltage across that water molecule you have violated my patent rights"  https://youtu.be/fxciCZHHAn4?t=2205

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #507 on: April 21, 2021, 12:42:03 PM »

"And if you look at all of our patents, you apply a voltage across that water molecule you have violated my patent rights"  https://youtu.be/fxciCZHHAn4?t=2205





https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=stanley+a+meyer&IN=stanley+a+meyer&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search


We see from some national/international patents applications very rare ones got  granted !


EP0101761 (B1)         1990-03-28
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=21&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19840307&CC=EP&NR=0101761A2&KC=A2

EP0111574 (B1)         1991-09-11
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=22&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19840627&CC=EP&NR=0111574A1&KC=A1



Utility model patent: 10 years validity,unproved
Technical Standart patent : 20 years validity - if granted - up priority date , without grant less than 3 years up national priority date


important : commercial validity : WO = worldwide ,or only regional f.e. EP = european patent trade act countries ,or only national application and validity like US,DE,GB,AUS,CA,.......




The 1989 phrase by Stanley A. Meyer was a "bluff" ( for his audience)  !
Only the specific claims,written, has been commercial rights saved !


Applying voltage to water molecules : electrolysis, that did soon Mr. Faraday !

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #508 on: April 21, 2021, 01:03:33 PM »
My point is that h20power has misunderstood my intentions to be defeatist and against him, when in fact from MY perspective I'm all for free energy tech for the world, but I'm also a REALIST! For all intents and purposes, the powers-that-be are gods on this planet! If one is to go against them, they better have a better plan than simply "give me donations so I can manufacture and sell this tech".

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #509 on: April 21, 2021, 01:22:00 PM »
We have in the E.U. market since more than 10 years  a liberated energy market,the industrial and private consumer can change their energy provider - lower price related-  !


How many did it ?  ::)


"Freedome decision" Theory/Practise  EXPERIENCE !


other point :


Each car owner is allowed to modificate his internal combustion engine to hydrogen/fuel-mix combustion !


Professional modification costs (kit)+ official new car operating licence costs  = https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betriebserlaubnis ?

Individual operating permit for vehicles


The individual operating permit ( § 21 StVZO) is issued by the locally responsible vehicle registration office for a single vehicle and is only valid for this vehicle. An example of this would be a self-constructed vehicle or the import of a vehicle that has never been homologated in the European Economic Area (EEC) and is to be registered in Germany.

The operating permit is issued on the basis of the expert opinion of an officially recognized expert TH / Uni (aaS) of a technical inspection center (TP). The preparation of an expert opinion according to § 21 StVZO is carried out in the old federal states by the Technical Inspection Association (TÜV) and in the new federal states by DEKRA .

Operating permit for vehicle parts
The national operating permit for vehicle parts ( Section 22 StVZO) is issued for a specific component, for example for special wheels[/color] such as aluminum rims . If the installation instructions are observed, the vehicle operating permit does not expire when it is installed on a vehicle. The installation instructions can, however, make the continued validity of the operating permit dependent on the implementation of an acceptance test in accordance with Section 19 Paragraph 3, Clause 1, Item 3 of the StVZO. The copy of the operating permit for the vehicle part that the purchase is included, or if applicable, the proof of modification acceptance must at a traffic stop by thePolice can be presented. In addition, the parts have a test mark in a clearly visible place .

This is in contrast to the e-passport or EC operating permit. If an approval mark , the so-called E-mark , is visible on these parts , the vehicle driver does not need a copy of the EC operating license or a copy of the EC operating license in accordance with Section 19 Paragraph 2 StVZO in conjunction with Paragraph 3, Clause 1, Number 2 and Paragraph 4 StVZO the certificate of conformity. However, if the area of ​​use of the part is restricted, the manufacturer must provide information on the restrictions and regulations for installation in accordance with Section 6 (2) EG-FGV .



Let us assume : 5000 US$ car modification costs ,we have to include 15 000 US$ ( Germany ) operating licence costs for " the individual unikat "  !





Investment R.O.I. ?


About this extra costs- cause modification : new car operating licence constraint - S.A.Meyer did not spoke !

 

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