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Author Topic: Stanley Meyer Explained  (Read 206166 times)

Offline ramset

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #375 on: November 04, 2019, 10:43:54 PM »
LUMINOUS ??

https://www.amazon.com/Loudwolf-Titanium-Dioxide-Powder-Ounces/dp/B00I581UEE   ??
To date, no one has presented a convinsing replication of the WFC. I don't want to repeat any names as not to offend.
My current search is for a method to apply an SiO2 layer to the tube. Even if I knew, how thick would the layer be?
Meyer stated in his patent the gap in his test cells were 0.625 inch. That is 1.68 mm. I know of commercial 1 mm thick sintered glass filter tubes.
Alternatively,

There is a solution that is called "water glass" which is applied to surfaces for sealing but we want a porous finish
then, I though I can mix some TiO2 with "water glass" before applying it and guess what,
 TiO2 under certain condition becomes luminous!
My work will be totally open source. I don't want any money or fame. The only reason I am here is to bounce my ideas around.
Thank you

A Breath of fresh air !!
plenty to experiment with here [and many "will" be  [myself included
thxChet K
PSanother open source experimenter who plays with "Oxides" and may have some thoughts
Fausto here '[member Plengo
https://overunity.com/15035/crystal-cell-research-for-experimenter/msg540088/#new

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #376 on: November 05, 2019, 06:05:24 AM »
LUMINOUS ??

https://www.amazon.com/Loudwolf-Titanium-Dioxide-Powder-Ounces/dp/B00I581UEE   ??A Breath of fresh air !!
plenty to experiment with here [and many "will" be  [myself included
thxChet K
PSanother open source experimenter who plays with "Oxides" and may have some thoughts
Fausto here '[member Plengo
https://overunity.com/15035/crystal-cell-research-for-experimenter/msg540088/#new
I’m using cat litter and drain cleaner for SiO2 white oxide for concreters is my source of ti02. It will be interesting to test some metal oxides with SiO2 for some other projects https://youtu.be/Ip-jDuM25FE

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #377 on: November 06, 2019, 04:15:45 AM »
To date, no one has presented a convinsing replication of the WFC. I don't want to repeat any names as not to offend.
My current search is for a method to apply an SiO2 layer to the tube. Even if I knew, how thick would the layer be?
Meyer stated in his patent the gap in his test cells were 0.625 inch. That is 1.68 mm. I know of commercial 1 mm thick sintered glass filter tubes.
Alternatively,

There is a solution that is called "water glass" which is applied to surfaces for sealing but we want a porous finish
then, I though I can mix some TiO2 with "water glass" before applying it and guess what,
 TiO2 under certain condition becomes luminous!
My work will be totally open source. I don't want any money or fame. The only reason I am here is to bounce my ideas around.
Thank you


Okay the thread is now yours so feel free to lead everyone away from the science I posted as I will sleep well at knight knowing I did what I promised so many years ago when I finally got at the science behind the patents.


Take care everyone,
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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #377 on: November 06, 2019, 04:15:45 AM »
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Offline Jimboot

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #378 on: November 06, 2019, 08:20:38 AM »
A patent from ford on how to make SiO2 paint which after firing becomes a porous ceramic. https://patents.google.com/patent/US5702520A/en I have seen glimpses of luminosity while firing but not enough to test accurately

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #379 on: November 06, 2019, 10:22:13 AM »

Okay the thread is now yours so feel free to lead everyone away from the science I posted as I will sleep well at knight knowing I did what I promised so many years ago when I finally got at the science behind the patents.


Take care everyone,
 8)
Aren’t both ideas valid. I think we should be pursuing both

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« Reply #379 on: November 06, 2019, 10:22:13 AM »
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Offline h20power

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #380 on: November 06, 2019, 12:50:27 PM »
Aren’t both ideas valid. I think we should be pursuing both


NOPE


It's clear to me that you have no idea how this technology actually works and more to the point no understanding of the science I posted for all to have for free. With this technology the dielectric needs to be in direct contact with the capacitor, but who am I, right? I know who started this oxide layer crap and it's none other than Aaron Murakami the guy who thinks this technology produces Ammonia fuel on demand.


Ask and then answer, "How can one hook up capacitors in series if their is a protective layer covering the electrodes preventing them from making use of water as a resistor?" Basically blocking the flow of electrons which in layman's terms breaks the electrical connection they all share together no direct connection to water no electrical link between the capacitors as you can't hook up these types of capacitors in series if the dielectric is air. Meyer even tells us that much stating water is part of the voltage intensifier circuit thus if you isolate the water from the circuit you no longer have a circuit pathway.
Now since what is being done is mimicking a thunderstorm correct me if I am wrong but there doesn't seem to be an oxide layer someplace in the clouds unless I really missed something when I studied them. Did I miss something?


But again who am I, right?
Well, I just so happen to just be the guy whom figured it all out is who I am. For some reason this makes a lot of people upset at me and/or they just can't grasp the idea that one man can figure something out if they just ask and answer the right questions.

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #381 on: November 06, 2019, 01:18:09 PM »
So are you saying a porous ceramic won’t work? Btw not sure what the attitude is about. Just asked a simple question.  No need to get your knickers in a twist

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #382 on: November 06, 2019, 01:32:45 PM »

Okay the thread is now yours so feel free to lead everyone away from the science I posted as I will sleep well at knight knowing I did what I promised so many years ago when I finally got at the science behind the patents.


Take care everyone,
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I did not come here to challenge you. I am aware of all the hard work you have put in to researching Meyer's work.Still you have not demonstrated a convincing replication. This is your thread and I leave now.


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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #383 on: November 06, 2019, 02:11:24 PM »
a good idea to start a separate topic IMO.


Utilizing and experimenting with the  water Dielectric and what can happen at the capacitor interface ... 
 Fascinating Topic and a wonderful field to explore.and it is not beyond the layman's bench !! [with caution

much Gratitude
Chet


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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #383 on: November 06, 2019, 02:11:24 PM »
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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #384 on: November 06, 2019, 06:18:03 PM »
I did not come here to challenge you. I am aware of all the hard work you have put in to researching Meyer's work.Still you have not demonstrated a convincing replication. This is your thread and I leave now.


There is a video interview of me talking about this technology when I went to the 2013 Global Breakthrough Energy Movement conference held in Boulder, Colorado herd of it, seen it? If so what is the name of the person giving me the interview? In that video interview I showed true high voltage being applied to the water fuel capacitor for the first time ever in a provable manor using a high voltage differential probe taking it over 7 kv and to this day not a soul that I am aware of has duplicated those voltages being applied to their water fuel capacitors. Note, now I am getting over 10 kv to the water fuel capacitor of potential difference.
Now when you listen to me talk about this technology in that video you will hear me relate this technology to a thunderstorm as well as talk about how plants go about breaking the bonds of the water molecules. Guess what? My tune hasn't changed as all that has changed is my understanding of this technology has really grown to the point where I can now show just what was being done and why, IE, mimicking a thunderstorm by copying the Global Electric Circuit electronically with the voltage intensifier circuit.


But I guess I should contact Rick Simpson to have him make another video titled, "Run from the Solution," as I presented the science behind this technology as a solution to our global warming problems and all I see is people running from the solution instead of embracing it and/or giving their support to aid me in bringing out this single solution to our climate change problems.


Now in going over what Meyer states as the working voltages for a cell built to his specifications is it takes 1kv per cell to get the process started. If you have 10 cells hooked up in series it will take 10kv to get the process started as the voltage is divided between the cells in a series setup. Now using much smaller space gaps between the cells I got it to start at much lower voltages but found out it only worked with really pure water, type II deionized water is what I used. The water looks as if it is boiling but yet it stays cool to the touch. Seen that video? I might have posted that video in this thread but I will make you go through the entire thread to check if I did so or not as I am done trying to convince people like you that I do in fact understand just how this technology actually works.


These coatings work well at increasing the efficiency of standard electrolysis setups but since this technology is the opposite of electrolysis electropolishing the stainless steel works best for this technology. Did I mention with the WFC's I sold a while back I passivated all the stainless steel in the units and kept the tolerances to ±0.005 inches? Now if I had gotten the support from forums like these I would have switched to electropolishing the SS as it is better than passivating the SS for this technology with the units I was selling. What I found interesting was people were willing to pay $1,450 bucks for a six cell series WFC that they had to put together themselves and wire everything up but wouldn't pay $1,630 bucks for a ten cell series WFC that came all wire up and ready to go just plug and play. The units even came with a water level senor, all the quick disconnect fittings, and isolated water filtration section, and wire rated at 15kv. Later on I added the high voltage connectors seen in the photo and didn't increase the cost of the units. Wow! huh?


Yeah, I have really been around in forums like these and kinda know for a fact already that asking for support in forums like these is like asking people to poke a needle in their eye, but I made a promise a long time ago and I kept my word thus posting the actual science behind this technology when I understood it. So please stop trying to tell me how this technology works as I am the one that is telling you all how it actually works, okay? Show me some respect for honoring my word and posting the science behind the technology for all to learn from free of charge is all I am asking.




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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #385 on: November 06, 2019, 07:46:48 PM »

There is a video interview of me talking about this technology when I went to the 2013 Global Breakthrough Energy Movement conference held in Boulder, Colorado herd of it, seen it? If so what is the name of the person giving me the interview?
I have that video backed up. "Edward Mitchell and Gunther Rattay Interview #3 with John Frazer". I never saw #1 and # 2 published.

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #386 on: November 06, 2019, 11:08:14 PM »
I have that video backed up. "Edward Mitchell and Gunther Rattay Interview #3 with John Frazer". I never saw #1 and # 2 published.


Thanks as that is correct


I thank the creator for John Fraser as Sterling Allen was supposed to give me an interview but snubbed me when he heard I burned out one of the two transformers I had brought with me. I also had a speaking part in the event that got canceled for reasons unknown. I was all set up to tell everything I had learned about the technology from following the scientific method and have a Q & A part but as I said my part in the event was canceled.
Like I said that was the first time anyone had ever seen someone placing such a high voltage potential on the plates of a water fuel capacitor as before then I think the highest I had seen someone else do was around 560 volts and there I was placing 7.4kv to the cell. So clearly I am doing something much different than everyone else getting voltage levels up this high and the amp readings on the isolated side of the voltage intensifier circuit was only around 0.3 mA which is great amp restriction. I'd run the unit for over 24 hours taking temperature readings every 30 minutes and found that the cell just followed the temps of the day. I guess 0.3 mA wasn't enough to change the temperature of the water even a little bit. The key to amp restriction is the waveform as there must be an equal amount of negative and positive voltage which one can see on the oscilloscope. This is where I find most people don't know how to actually use their oscilloscopes or even interpret the readings their oscilloscopes are showing them. This is the part of physics most people either don't know or failed to pay attention to while in college level physics classes. Here is a video that goes over how to find out the total work done: [size=78%]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9q3Cw6dzSZ0[/size]


In this simple video he goes over what to do with negative areas under the curve. This applies to what is being shown on the oscilloscope as positive reading indicate current flowing through the system. Negative reading means it took energy from the system so if with one pulse the positive and negative pulses are equal the total energy flowing through the system is zero for that pulse. Then Meyer set up a series of pulses each will put both negative and positive pulses to the water fuel capacitor and again if those energy are equal in their voltages the net energy that flows through the water bath is zero. I got it really close to zero as the voltage of the positive pulses was around 5 volts more than the negative voltages. So the total work, or in our case current flow, is dependent on the how well one can get the negative and positive voltages to be equal. The area under the curve shown on the oscilloscopes shows the current that is flowing through the system be it negative or positive readings and one must know how to interpret these readings.
This is why when people say that my waveforms are incorrect I know they simply just don't understand how to make sense of this technology as they just don't have enough education under their belts to be trying to solve this technology. For they don't understand for every one pulse sent to the VIC transformer you get two pulses in return one being negative and the other being positive in that order as that is how Meyer set up the transformer in the voltage intensifier circuit. Since the current is being canceled out with a balanced waveform the only thing left to do work is voltage. Those people showing you their waveforms with nothing but positive areas above the zero line are pushing current through the water bath as that is physics and if you can get them to take temperature readings over time you will find out that the water bath heats up depending on how much current they are flowing through the water bath. However they know this and will more than likely refuse to take temperature readings over time as that doesn't square up with what witnesses to Meyer's technology say about setup as it ran for over an hour while they observed it. These eye witnesses tell the water temperature did not change like it should have done if it was standard electrolysis taking place and know you all should have an idea why.

So, in Max Miller's recent "Meyer conference" when he talks about the waveform and how I am doing things wrong he actually contradicts himself later on when going over what Meyer said about the technology in the very same video. The video is still up if you all don't believe me but I am sure it will be pulled down once news of what I said here gets to his ears. In my view many of you are like Max in that you simply don't have what it takes to solve this technology education wise but are too bullheaded to admit it. And furthermore in your arrogance you get in the way of people like me whom have chosen to make use of the scientific method and now have the results to back up what they say scientifically. Thus in my view you all (if the shoe fits wear it) do the work for those that sell energy and want this technology to never see the light of day free of charge.


I know my words can seem harsh but it's the truth and sometimes words like these have to be said or the evil ones win.


Take care and know my aims are for a world with this technology.

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #387 on: November 07, 2019, 08:02:54 AM »
Thank you Edward for imparting more information.
This the thread is "Stanley Meyer Explained" So, I am here to find out the explanation!
After so many pages it was time to get a bit of explaination.I am not surprised they throw spanner in your wheels.  I was following your thread years back on
the ??? forum  that shut down. Unfortunately that happed before you spill the beans!
I am not going to spend time watching MM. I have seen so many time waisters over the yearsthat I can sniff them a continent away.
There was a time that I just wished someone showed me how to replicate Meyer's work.Eventually I came to the conclusion I have to do the work myself because the situationhas been blind leading the blind.
I have enough technical ability to get to the buttom of this and am prepared to make myshare of mistakes.

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« Reply #388 on: November 07, 2019, 09:07:18 AM »
Thank you Edward for imparting more information.
This the thread is "Stanley Meyer Explained" So, I am here to find out the explanation!After so many pages it was time to get a bit of explanation.
I am not surprised they throw spanner in your wheels.  I was following your thread years back on
the ??? forum  that shut down. Unfortunately that happened before you spill the beans!


Your welcome, I just hope all of this translates to actual monetary support for my efforts to bring out this technology  ;)  as someone else might get it wrong  :-\  more than likely. 


In the past I generally shared information as I learned it in real time but after all the constant attacks I started just keeping things to myself as who has time to constantly be disrespected time and time again over and over again in a almost non stop manor?! If I shared something it was a result of actually doing the work not just making things up out of thin air. This is why my explanations actually hold up to the test of time and my story doesn't undergo some radical change thus remaining consistent as time passes by. That video interview done by John Fraser should more than prove that is the truth about my work towards solving the science behind this technology as my story really hasn't changed in well over 7 years as I just keep adding to it as I learned more about how things actually worked from actual trial and error experiments following the scientific method.


Now that I have explained how to actually read and interpret things the oscilloscope shows one can clearly see that these waveforms are pushing current through the water bath as after all the oscilloscope is just a tool to aid us in seeing what is actually going on.

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #389 on: November 08, 2019, 12:25:22 AM »
That last waveform is actually correct but the transformer was over loaded which is from Max Miller and again you can clearly see he is pushing amps through the water bath. For the most part we have the voltage intensifier circuit wired up the same way but as you can see my setup isn't overloading the transformer. Now my waveform isn't fully balanced but it is doing like it should be doing in attempting to restrict the amps by the waveform alone. Now you all should be able to see just where I got the idea of how to go about drawing the waveforms I showed earlier as those drawings are from actual experimental results and not just something I made up out of thin air.


Later on I got the waveform to be within 5 volts with the positive being greater than the negative voltage but I didn't take any photos of it as I was focused on taking the amperage readings as I got both the positive and negative voltages to be very close to being the same. The readings I observed were between 1.0-0.3 mA using a inline analog micro amp meter. This technology is very complicated but once done correctly well worth the effort.

 

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