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Offline h20power

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #240 on: September 13, 2011, 08:54:22 AM »
Hi H2opower
that looks like a nicely built cell set - i notice that the design appears to work like a capacitor in that the only area of water contact is between the 2 tubes - what about the centerer of the inner tube - is it left open because i was wondering how you circulated the water from the top to bottom sections of the cell.

With the resonant cavity drawing, diagram attached, where is the earth symbolized connection on the water inlet connected to.? I'm unclear of its purpose - is it for setting a electrical polarity on the water entering the cavity.?

the question: On the VIC coil driving the cell - has anyone contemplated what would happen in the circuit if the secondary had a centerer tap and that centerer tap electrically connects to the water in the cell. ?

What I was curious about was the earthing/grounding of the inlet, and as the vic/chokes/cell are effectively a closed circuit.

Even referring to fig 8-11 of the rotary vic on the alternator setup, the diagram clearly says - water bath electrical ground 0v.

For a ground point for the water, as seen on the inlet of the "resonant cavity", is that applicable to a WFC and if so could a ground, zero point, be utilized by a centerer tap on the secondary for as an example for reference, as seen in a simple dual rail psu circuit.??

I can see 2 diagrams that refer to the water being 0v, wfc422da and fig 8-11. Writing by others suggests that on a vic circuit and cell they can get high voltages across the electrodes/plates but little output, so might an area to explore be the potential of the watter as in the 2 Meyer's diagrams?

 is a cell a water bath and resonant cavity.?


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Hi wfchobby,

The ground to me just is showing water is being used as a ground and not being grounded to an outside source as that would mess the whole process up. Water is also being used as a resistor as well as a dielectric by Meyer. I added some new information on the topic here: http://www.hereticalbuilders.com/showthread.php?t=174 that you might find very useful.

In the ER 10 design the center electrodes are solid and have been machined to allow water to flow through the system just as Meyer's dune buggy ER. A few changes where made to the original design but it is fairly close to that of the dune buggy's ER. As of right now I don't see anything else like it on the market so I guess I am the first to make something like that of Meyer's new stuff before he switch over to the direct injection system.

I hope you find the heretical builder link useful as I put a lot of time into adding science to the work of Meyer for everyone to learn and know. I am not perfect but I think I did an okay job in trying to show the science behind the patents.

Let me know if it helped or not?

h2opower

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #240 on: September 13, 2011, 08:54:22 AM »

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #241 on: September 14, 2011, 12:00:20 PM »
Hi H2opower, i like your work, nice and neat.
Thank you for the hereticalbuilders link - very useful thanks will take several reads to absorb. To my mind with the limited space in engine bays the injectors are the way to go because the multiple cells are just too bulky, im interested to see how you progress with the injector system.

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #242 on: June 08, 2013, 05:49:49 PM »
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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #242 on: June 08, 2013, 05:49:49 PM »
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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #243 on: June 08, 2013, 06:15:15 PM »
Would appreciate some data like power in gas out.
I hope your experiments work out.
Here is a recent article I wrote for those new to the water for fuel concept.
http://revolution-green.com/2013/06/05/water-powered-cars-and-generators/
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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #244 on: June 09, 2013, 12:35:19 AM »
Would appreciate some data like power in gas out.
I hope your experiments work out.
Here is a recent article I wrote for those new to the water for fuel concept.
http://revolution-green.com/2013/06/05/water-powered-cars-and-generators/
Kind Regards


Hi Mark,


I want you to take a close look at what I tell you in this reply as I assure you that I am talking like no one else you have ever heard from before, okay? Dig into your notes and see if you can find a single person saying the things I have said in this post.


The way Meyer's technology works is just like an ozone generator that makes use of an ionizing electrical field for the most part.
An ozone generator draws in O2 molecules and breaks them down into monatomic Oxygen gas atoms by way of ionization. Nothing comes together inside of the ionizing electrical field but once these monatomic gases are back in our atmosphere they quickly find O2 molecules to form O3 with. Meyer's technology is just about the same but this time water molecules H2O are being separated by way of ionization. Unlike O2 molecules these atoms need to be sparked off in order to recombine but they are broken down in the exact same way.
Now to prevent these monatomic gas atoms from reaching a stable state longer the electrons are taken away from the system by the electron extraction circuit. This is how Meyer's technology actually works no BS. The atoms within the water molecules are ionized and those electrons furthest away from the protons are the first in line to get stripped away from the atoms, but in this case those atoms have the job of holding the water molecules together. Now the water molecules can withstand to lose one electron and remain intact, part of it's own self ionization properties, but the loss of two and it simply falls apart into its component atoms hydrogen and oxygen.



It has taken me over six years to figure this technology out and more than another year afterwards to get all the items together to build it correctly. In the most basic of explanations a lot of energy was added to the system electronically as hydrogen still seems to perform the role of an energy carrier as the water that it is being used from is not destroyed in the process. In order to run a car another device Meyer calls the, "Gas Processor," is needed which will remove a small amount of mass from the oxygen atoms being drawn in through the intake system and in physics if you decrease the mass of an atom you increase it's energy potential and how many oxygen molecules are being drawn into the intake system? As you can now begin to see a lot of instability was added to the system. This is not Dr. Faraday's electrolysis method but a whole new take on breaking the bonds of the water molecules and how to make best use of the gases thereafter. In this system there are no bubblers being used as that would stabilize that unstable gases which would result in a loss of energy.


There are only two sides to this coin. One, on the side of this technology and the energy independence it brings, and the other side of the coin being on the side of the systems of energy enslavement from which we are currently all trapped in right now. I am sorry but those are your choices love them or hate them that is just reality as you will support one by default rather you like it or not. Sure there have been a lot of frauds out there trying to make a buck off of everyone but listen to the way I talk about this technology as it is something you truly haven't heard of before.


But note plans are being worked on to showcase this technology so that you can actually view it working correctly, okay? As you do have a right to see this technology in action, just bear with me as things are being put together for you, okay? Thanks


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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #244 on: June 09, 2013, 12:35:19 AM »
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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #245 on: June 09, 2013, 05:58:00 AM »
Hi if it is any help, if you go to the Stan Myer forums and HHO forums in Europe and Asia they did a lot of work with ionizing the air and with ozone generators.
I am sure their observations and experiments would be helpful.
Like I said all the best with your project, I look forward when you can show us a motor running or data in regards to the power in and power out. Please do not make assumptions to what I have or have not seen, 90% I am under NDA.
Your work is interesting, but I will not debate the accademic merrit of your assumptions. I ma happy to await the outcoems
Kind regards
Mark

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #246 on: June 15, 2013, 08:52:14 PM »
I'm not trying to confuse your efforts here, but I believe there are similarities between Stan Meyer's and Bob Boyce's technologies.  Resonance is involved, but IMO the frequencies are variable and have little if anything to do with molecular or atomic frequency.

All Meyers methods involve robbing atoms of their valence electrons to nullify covalent molecular bonds.
The VIC steals the valence electrons, then applies an electric field to finish the job.

Meyers made the statement that water is an insulator, and everyone said "he's cracked!"
Well, Meyers wasn't cracked.
There are certain circumstances where water does act as an insulator.

Based on the contents of Meyers' patents, and the wealth of information they contain, along with the doubt and confusion encountered by those who try to decypher them, IMO, either Meyers was a genius and excelled at protecting his technology, or, Meyers was lead by some higher intelligence, and he blindly followed without fully understanding the technology he delivered.

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #248 on: June 18, 2013, 06:15:51 PM »
I'm not trying to confuse your efforts here, but I believe there are similarities between Stan Meyer's and Bob Boyce's technologies.  Resonance is involved, but IMO the frequencies are variable and have little if anything to do with molecular or atomic frequency.

All Meyers methods involve robbing atoms of their valence electrons to nullify covalent molecular bonds.
The VIC steals the valence electrons, then applies an electric field to finish the job.

Meyers made the statement that water is an insulator, and everyone said "he's cracked!"
Well, Meyers wasn't cracked.
There are certain circumstances where water does act as an insulator.

Based on the contents of Meyers' patents, and the wealth of information they contain, along with the doubt and confusion encountered by those who try to decypher them, IMO, either Meyers was a genius and excelled at protecting his technology, or, Meyers was lead by some higher intelligence, and he blindly followed without fully understanding the technology he delivered.


Hi Roger,


With all due respects what Stanley Meyer and Bob Boyce did are totally different. Bob Boyce's system makes use of KOH or can be substituted with some other form of water additive to make the water more conductive. With Meyer's work the water is untreated in any way, IE, not salts to be used of any kind. I have been working on this technology since 2006 and with Gods help I finally understood just what was going on back in March of 2012. Right now I know it's hard for people to believe there is another way to break the bonds of the water molecules than the standard old 1860's technology shows us how in our science textbooks, but this is another way to do the job that follows how life breaks the bonds of the water molecules.



These two different technologies you talk about are as far apart as they can be in how they work to break the bonds of the water molecules into it's component atoms being hydrogen and oxygen that make it up. With me Job 38: 22-23 leads my thoughts and I ask God for help in understanding this technology. Now I won't sit down and tell everyone just how it all works but I am trying to bring this technology to market through True Green Solutions so that the people can have a choice to opt out of the current system of energy enslavement and begin to take charge of their own energy needs.




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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #249 on: June 18, 2013, 06:23:44 PM »
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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #250 on: June 20, 2013, 01:00:32 PM »
Hey H2Opower,

I don't disagree that the basic methods used by Meyer and Boyce were very different, Boyce using an electrolyte and harmonics, and who accidentally discovered the anomaly when a rectifier in his alternator shorted, but I think there are some subtle similarities in how water interacts with the electrical energies being applied, and the sequence of events which allow stresses to be leveraged, culminating in water breaking down much more efficiently.

I have applied a differential voltage (40v) to two electrodes spaced 3mm apart, and verified current was flowing between those electrodes, then applied a signal to those same two electrodes in combination with the applied differential voltage, and found that the current had stopped flowing between the electrodes.  The applied signal was approx. 20kv at approx. 10khz, which was the electrical resonance of the complete circuit itself.  Reduce the amount of water in the cell and the resonant frequency goes up, add water to the cell and the resonant frequency goes down.  Reduce the inductance, and the voltage goes down, while the frequency goes up.  Upon shutting off the signal, the current began flowing between the two electrodes again.

I don't believe this method of breaking down water into useable fuel was the most efficient Meyer devised.  His later patents discussed ionizing air, then mixing that ionized air with atomized water (steam would serve) where the ionized nitrogen would rob the valence electrons from the hydrogen and oxygen making up the water molecule, and the nitrogen would then combine with the hydrogen and oxygen, forming both nitrous-oxide and ammonia, in a readily combustible mixture.

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #251 on: June 20, 2013, 06:16:13 PM »
Hi everyone,

Lets cut the chase.This guy Ravi have successfully replicated close to Meyers HHO generator and consume only 6watt(12v x 0.5A) of power.
Please take note he was not selling anything.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9XrLOudwRw

Go to the youtube description beneath the video and download the pdf which contain the detailed steps from conditioning HHO 316L stainless steel and etc.

"Please download and replicate quickly."





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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #252 on: June 21, 2013, 12:44:43 PM »
I remember when the Ravi story originally came out, and everyone was hoping to find the reason why their attempts at replicating Meyer's technology had failed.  Everyone poured over the pictures, circuitry, and what little documentation was forthcoming, but to no avail.  Ravi appeared to have stumbled upon success with no rational explanation.  I'm convinced that even Ravi couldn't duplicate his own success since he couldn't adequately explain what he did that was different.

If one goes back and looks at all the material Meyer produced concerning his successful models, you'll find early models where he was using 3 electrodes.   In my research, I believe I have found the reason he used 3 electrodes.  I have discovered that water molecules bind together to form conduction paths, and as long as current continues to flow through these conduction paths, the molecules stay aggressively locked within these paths, and will resist making new paths.  Thus Meyer's statements concerning the insulative qualities of water.  No one could understand why Meyer would make such statements, since everyone knows water conducts electricity.  I believe this is the key to Meyer's success which everyone has overlooked.

As one continues down this path of reasoning, a sequence of events have to take place to break down water.
1) Apply a 1st electric potential that will lock the water molecules into a configuration that makes them vulnerable to perpendicular forces.
2) Apply a 2nd electric potential perpendicular to the configuration of the conduction paths formed in step 1.
3) Once a number of molecules have broken, and free molecules re-align with the 2nd electric potential, shut down the 2nd electric potential.
4) repeat step 1.

Each of Meyer's models which involves electrodes submerged in water use this method or sequence of events.
Thus the need for pulsing electricity to the electrodes.
It's similar to the domino effect.
If one wants to demonstrate the domino effect, steps have to be taken.
Set the dominos up in a predetermined configuration.
Apply a force in a direction that is calculated to take advantage of a known weakness and the dominos fall.

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
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« Reply #254 on: June 22, 2013, 05:26:20 AM »
Thanks for the links Cell!

Interesting characters on that boat forum.

You won't get an argument out of me concerning what effects a 22,3 GHz electromagnetic signal might have on water.  I have little useable knowledge for working with those frequencies, other than the methods are more technical and less forgiving.  A lot of precision goes into circuitry capable of operating at those frequencies since stray capacitance has a big impact on operation, let alone performance.  And, one certainly doesn't want to carry any antique flash bulbs in one's pockets when working around that type of equipment.

Meyer's methods operate at lower frequencies, and so, don't need RF shielding.

Meyer appears to have found a more forgiving way of applying leverage at the molecular level.  It doesn't require high precision or power.  Meyer's methods appear to be based on leverage against an entrained target, and regauging after that target has been dismantled.

 

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