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Offline Doug1

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #225 on: February 27, 2011, 02:26:37 PM »
Are you basing the time delay on the Meyers video?The last step in the charging curve is very minimal could be +1or2 more sec.

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #226 on: February 27, 2011, 08:31:59 PM »
Hi Doug1 and Everyone,
The way the figure 3-23 VIC works is you get two charging pulses for every pulse given that are 180 degrees out of phase with each other. So what this does for the charging is the once a charge stops the other picks up where it left off, and it does so again and again until the maximum voltage is reached. You can see the charge line in the graph, the time constant in which mines falls under is about 80% in between the first and second time constant. That will try and charge the capacitor to 80% of the voltage, then the next charge comes in at picks up from where the first one left off. With that graph you can actually see the charging set up shown in Meyer's patents. Each step charge is a coming from one of the two chokes and they alternate. First choke charge and at the same time it induces the second choke, when the magnetic field collapses inducing a voltage to the second choke the second choke sends it's charge to the capacitor. Again they are 180 degrees out of phase, and the blocking diode cuts their AC waves to a DC half wave.

Now in the math I posted I wrote in a sort of short hand as I left out all of the x10 as it should read;
"The capacitor gives 1 / 2 x pie x 1830 Hz x 3778.83x10^-12 f = 23015.04 ohms plus 78.54 gives 23093.58 ohms." for each one showing a ^ place in a x10 between the number to get the same answers as I've shown. Sorry about that I write in short hand when doing things like this.

So now everyone should have a very good understanding to be able to make their own figure 3-23 VIC Matrix Circuits. Don't forget to match the secondary's distributive capacitance with that of your electrode set's capacitance. Plus to make sure the coupling capacitance of the chokes is greater than the capacitance of your electrode set. One figure 3-23 VIC Matrix Circuit per electrode set please, okay? Another thing you must use some sort of resistance wire for the chokes and especially for the secondary to aid in slowing down the leakage time of the electrode set(capacitor).

Your all set to start replicating Meyer's work now, so let the Energy Revolution Begin!
h2opower

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #227 on: May 02, 2011, 02:46:26 PM »
This is a video of Stan Meyer's estate showing some of his known items and a couple of ones you may not know about.

Interesting the toroid !

http://vimeo.com/13324978

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #227 on: May 02, 2011, 02:46:26 PM »
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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #228 on: May 04, 2011, 07:10:26 PM »
Hi Wings,

Thanks for the video, though I have seen it before many times. Yes, the "Electrical Particle Generator" (EPG), not toroids, I know all about those. I think I can even recreate them if I had the funding as I do understand how they work. Right now I am just running out of funds for all projects I have going. If any of you would like to help you can donate here: http://www.truegreensolutions.net/index.php?p=1_7_Donations thanks everyone for keeping hope alive for even those of us like me need a hand now and then. Thanks for your support!

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #229 on: May 19, 2011, 02:50:58 AM »
Your not going to like this one...
If your planned  Reso freq = 1830 hz , the plates alternate at 1830 cps AC based on LC timing.
If you move to a larger L , the freq drops and X changes.
L + C are passive components that react differently to AC = REACTANCE
Xc and XL are 180 degrees to each other and cancel each other
2 pi formulas are sine , circular not pulse.
**A choke does not stop DC...... Electrons

6326.44  +  22996.46  +  23015.04    + 78.54  X  3.77883 nf...
   R l      + 2 pi f L      + 1/ (2 pi f C ) +  stan fig??  X  C

78.54 OHMS is one of Stans tricks that out lived him and unfortunately stuck to the blanket.

**specific constants are measured at specific temperatures...78.54 @ 25 degrees centigrade, the same sample @ 20 degrees C = 80.37 , the same sample @ 100 degrees C = 55.33 ....
The Dielectric constant CANT be measured in OHMS and NEVER has been ,HOW ? ? ? ,ones a temperature the other is a ratio.

Resistivity ,R ,X ,Z are measured in Ohms but R is the only one used in RC time constant.
If you want 1830 hz ,youll need a power supply and it will need a timing circuit wether its 555 , TL494 or what ever ,it will also need an RC combo on the timing pins.

Stans WFC tech brief has mis info through out , ANYONE can go thru and check .

Have a look thru this site at RC timing and theres a section on tuned circuits.

http://www.learn-about-electronics.com/rc-time-constant.html

Theres alot of people putting in an honest effort into researching Meyers but surely there needs to be an honest approach to the info he was peddling.  Put it under the microscope .
There is an actual possibility that the info is BOGUS and not even Jesus can change that .
Square one is there for everyone and unfortunately we're all there but drifting down the same path that a dead man pointed down isnt going to help .

..as you were... and NO Im not kicking you or anyone else in the guts.




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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #230 on: May 19, 2011, 06:27:45 AM »
Hi Torana

I think there are a lot of problems with understanding stans technology, but researching his history leaves me with very little doubt he had achieved the efficient water to fuel process.
Meyer was assasinated his technology removed from his property and stephen meyer went on to start the company xogen, a oil company friendly way of efficiently splitting water. Stephen will say nothing of use to us about stans technology which leaves us with just the patents and here i think could be part of the problem, either meyer left out vital information leaving parts of his process unprotected, hidden it so well nobody can work it out or before the release of his patents they had been altered. Lets face it if you murder stan there`s no way you will allow patents with enough information to be released, there needs to be some serious lateral thinking to work this out.
Torana like you i am stuck with his vic, i have found out how he gets the high voltages in the wfc and it is not his charge choke but the current restriction is proveing a problem, a clue maybe with his early technology that ravvi has replicated.

 

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #231 on: May 19, 2011, 10:48:06 AM »
Your not going to like this one...
If your planned  Reso freq = 1830 hz , the plates alternate at 1830 cps AC based on LC timing.
If you move to a larger L , the freq drops and X changes.
L + C are passive components that react differently to AC = REACTANCE
Xc and XL are 180 degrees to each other and cancel each other
2 pi formulas are sine , circular not pulse.
**A choke does not stop DC...... Electrons

6326.44  +  22996.46  +  23015.04    + 78.54  X  3.77883 nf...
   R l      + 2 pi f L      + 1/ (2 pi f C ) +  stan fig??  X  C

78.54 OHMS is one of Stans tricks that out lived him and unfortunately stuck to the blanket.

**specific constants are measured at specific temperatures...78.54 @ 25 degrees centigrade, the same sample @ 20 degrees C = 80.37 , the same sample @ 100 degrees C = 55.33 ....
The Dielectric constant CANT be measured in OHMS and NEVER has been ,HOW ? ? ? ,ones a temperature the other is a ratio.

Resistivity ,R ,X ,Z are measured in Ohms but R is the only one used in RC time constant.
If you want 1830 hz ,youll need a power supply and it will need a timing circuit wether its 555 , TL494 or what ever ,it will also need an RC combo on the timing pins.

Stans WFC tech brief has mis info through out , ANYONE can go thru and check .

Have a look thru this site at RC timing and theres a section on tuned circuits.

http://www.learn-about-electronics.com/rc-time-constant.html

Theres alot of people putting in an honest effort into researching Meyers but surely there needs to be an honest approach to the info he was peddling.  Put it under the microscope .
There is an actual possibility that the info is BOGUS and not even Jesus can change that .
Square one is there for everyone and unfortunately we're all there but drifting down the same path that a dead man pointed down isnt going to help .

..as you were... and NO Im not kicking you or anyone else in the guts.

I was wondering just how long it would take you to openly challenge me directly, took a lot of guts to do so I must admit given the high level of science I have uncovered about the work of Stanley A. Meyer to this date. Your Meyer hating ass will get toss in the garbage with me I am afraid. Sorry for the grown up words but I have read all of your post and you do nothing to aid humanity in anyway shape or form towards becoming energy independent.

Now for some missing key information on why no one has gotten the figure 3-23 isolated VIC transformers to work correctly in charging the WFC's they built for them. For starters people have been building them incorrectly all of these years. As what is seen in the patents is not draw correctly and some key information is missing. Secondly they have all been wiring the WFC's incorrectly due to no fault of their own as that information was just not given in the patents.

In the patent it says to wind a core with 200 turn primary, 600 turns secondary, and 100 turns for each choke, correct? The key missing information is the build of the WFC that thing is to be connected too as hooking it up to one electrode pair will result in failure. Why? The transformer can't handle the load the single capacitor places on it and everyone knows if you overload a transformer it simply will not work, correct? That transformer has to be connected to an eleven electrode capacitor pair set up all wired in series. This has to be done this way to bring the load down so the transformer can charge up the WFC. With each electrode pair wired in series the load seen by the transformer is lowered. Now this is where the 78.54 ohms you like to say is bogus comes in play for it is impedance matching the same as done in a typical car stereo set up. Now in a car audio system if you place to high of a load on the system it will burn out, but in a transformer if that is done it simply will not turn on. And as many of you out there can agree when you hooked this transformer (for those who built it) to the one electrode pair it would only put out around 4 volts, correct? It never dawn on anyone to lighten the load on the transformer by adding more electrode pairs connecting them all in series as far as I can tell to lighten the load on the transformer so it could power up and charge the WFC. That would be the same as you getting an audio amp rated at 8 ohms and then you placed a 1 one load on it. If you want the transformer to work you have to lighten the load and use 8 ohms or more in the example I gave, correct? 78.54 ohms is to low for the transformer to power up so you have to add more capacitors in series to add more resistance to the system until you get to a point where the transformer will work, get it? Meyer placed eleven capacitors in series which gives a total resistance of 863.94 ohms of resistance, thus cutting the load on the transformer so it can charge up the capacitors. Every capacitor has a resistance element to is construction and a water capacitor is no exception to the rule.

Interestingly enough that arrangement of the WFC restricts amps and allows voltage to take over as it is not to different from connecting some audio speakers in series which cuts the load on the amplifier, correct? Voltage remains constant but amps are divided among the capacitors thus cutting the load to the transformer to the point where it can charge up the capacitors. That math I will leave up to the individual to calculate. Now for visual proof of what I am talking about from Stanley A. Meyer's own WFC that ran his dune buggy on nothing but water as a source of fuel.

http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y320/h2opower/fig3-25resonantcavityB.jpg
http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y320/h2opower/resonant_cavity_tube.jpg
http://i1025.photobucket.com/albums/y320/h2opower/Resonant_Cavity_4.jpg

@Torana, Stay off of my thread as if you have noticed I stay off of yours out of respect, so return the favor.

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #232 on: May 26, 2011, 02:24:51 PM »

@H2power,
This patent may be of interest:

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/3522162.pdf


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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #233 on: June 09, 2011, 11:32:03 PM »
Here is a video I made wiring the WFC in series: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqVIJOa6NsU
Note this is pure distilled water no caustics of any kind are being used.

From this experiment I learned that the more capacitors wired in series the more efficient the process becomes. Unlike the prior state of the art with Dr. Faraday's electrolysis, when increasing the surface area of the plates in this manor decreases amp use which is the direct opposite of Dr. Faraday's electrolysis. I am currently building a new 12 capacitor WFC to see the full effects of this process. From what I have observed this is like impedance matching with an audio amplifier. Example, say you have an audio amplifier rated at 10 ohms and you only have 1 ohm speakers in which to connect to the amplifier. What happens if you connect all the speakers in parallel to the amplifier? It will burn out correct? What happens if you connect just one speaker to the amplifier? Again it will burn out or just not be able to power the load. The only way to get the amplifier working correctly is to wire ten or more 1 ohm speakers in series, correct? That my friends is the reason why so many have tried and failed at replicating Meyer's method of water decomposition.

As you some of you might have guessed by now, this new WFC is to be used to power up my test car, along with the Gas Processor, and needed circuitry. So you can see I am getting prepared what are you doing to get prepared?

In the attachment is a photo of how to calculate these series capacitor arrays. The resistance is additive just like any series resistance and the capacitance is the reciprocal of capacitances. So as you add more capacitors you decrease the capacitance and increase the resistance of the circuit. Remember the WFC is a part of the VIC circuit just as Meyer says. The VIC transformer has to be matched to a load that it can power, and one capacitor is too great of a load as those of you that have given this a try have already experienced. When you go to drive it with that great of a load all that happens is the transformer gets hot and only about 2-5 volts are seen at the capacitor correct? Now build a WFC with ten or more capacitors wired in series and that transformer might have a chance of powering the new series connected WFC array you just made.

But remember to get the needed power to power an engine you need to build the Gas Processor.

Enjoy breaking down water the Meyer way,
h2opower

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #234 on: June 10, 2011, 02:23:02 PM »
Quote from: Don
Let me give you some info to help understand Stans work.
1st: Stan had three water cells.
1- variable plate cell (non resonance)
2-multi tube cell,alternator powered (also non resonance)
3-resonanct cavity,11 tube cell (the only resonance cell)
The first two cells were amp restricting cells.They only show amp restriction and no resonance action.

2nd: The biggest mistake most people make is that they think the multi tube demo cell worked on resonance,It didn't.

3rd:The next mistake they make is trying to drive a multi tube cell with a frequency driver to find resonance.It won't work,back to 2nd fact.

4th: Another mistake people make is mixing different technologies together, 3rd fact.
This one is the bigest thing I see people doing wrong.Trying to use a VIC coil with the multi tube cell.They are two different technologies.

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #235 on: June 10, 2011, 08:20:06 PM »
Let me give you some info to help understand Stans work.
1st: Stan had three water cells.
1- variable plate cell (non resonance)
2-multi tube cell,alternator powered (also non resonance)
3-resonanct cavity,11 tube cell (the only resonance cell)
The first two cells were amp restricting cells.They only show amp restriction and no resonance action.

2nd: The biggest mistake most people make is that they think the multi tube demo cell worked on resonance,It didn't.

3rd:The next mistake they make is trying to drive a multi tube cell with a frequency driver to find resonance.It won't work,back to 2nd fact.

4th: Another mistake people make is mixing different technologies together, 3rd fact.
This one is the bigest thing I see people doing wrong.Trying to use a VIC coil with the multi tube cell.They are two different technologies.
 
 



He is wrong and once I have the new WFC built I will prove it. I am not like everyone else as I approach this technology from the view of science and I found where the energy is coming from to power things on water as a source of fuel. But the picture I posted shows exactly what I am doing is the same thing Meyer did to his WFC exciter array that ran his dune buggy. This is something everyone over looked since they are trying to duplicate and not understanding the technology. In the photo you can clearly see that the WFC that ran his dune buggy is wired up in series. Do the math and you will see why that is important, though I did put up enough examples to show third graders how it relates to the water for fuel technology.

As seen in the photo the WFC is a part of the VIC. I follow the science not the man, the science is where one learns this technology not the patents. The patents help but don't give everything as no patent really ever does. But Meyer did tell us that it was wired in series in the technical brief on the first few pages.
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page 1-1 SMTB
LC Circuit
Resonant Charging Choke (C) in series with Excitor-array (El/E2) forms an inductor-capacitor circuit
(LC) since the Excitor-Array (ER) acts or performs as an capacitor during pulsing operations, as
illustrated in Figure (1-2) as to Figure (1-1).
The Dielectric Properties (insulator to the flow of amps) of natural water (dielectric constant being
78.54 @ 25c) between the electrical plates (El/E2) forms the capacitor (ER). Water now becomes part
of the Voltage Intensifier Circuit in the form of "resistance" between electrical ground and pulsefrequency
positive-potential ... helping to prevent electron flow within the pulsing circuit (AA) of
Figure 1-1.

As you can see I am not making this up out of thin air.

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #236 on: July 16, 2011, 12:54:06 AM »
Hi Everyone,

Here is a video I put together showing the construction of the new 12 capacitors exciter array being built, enjoy! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avtjOFc5Gdc

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #237 on: July 16, 2011, 07:32:46 PM »
Very Nice Cell.  I assume that you have "Tuned" these cells via exacting methods during the build?  I do like the way the seals allow direct exposure of the outer tubes but I would think this "O-Ring" type of sealing would dampen physical vibration and alter the true resonance point.  Yes or No?

( Yes, I am still watching, learning, lurking and interested. )

I might accept that the "Resonance" would be totally "Electrical" in nature, but noticed in several reads of many areas (I have no true opinion on Meyer himself, as the info is the important part.) that separate units were used for each tube in the "resonance" build.  If all were in series, why would there be more than one unit needed?  (There were many on the Buggy...)

I'm not trying to be negative, just trying to understand...

Thanks for info, as I had thought you were one of the people that first brought that little fact to light.  Maybe my memory is failing me?

Keep up the great work...

Hi Loner,

I think you are talking about Meyer having 9 VIC transformers correct? That part took me some time to figure out. But now I got it, he had them hook up three and three, that is to say three of them where hooked in parallel and those three sets where hooked up out of phase in a three phase arrangement. Then he went and added three diodes to make it a six phase pulse going to the WFC.

Here is my reasoning on this; Voltage is pressure correct? So I give you this analogy: A pressure washer with a nozzle tip that needs a certain amount of pressure before it will allow water to flow is the same as this in a way. If one where to pulse the trigger of the pressure washer pulling it on and releasing it off over and over again the water flow through the nozzle will be in pulses as well, correct? That is what I think I am seeing since with this set up as voltage is pressure and the single phase pulsing is not holding the pressure constant to keep ionizing the water molecules in a consistent manor just like the pressure washer. That is the need to have this all in three phase pulsing with a six phase rectifier hooked up to it as Meyer shows in figure 8-11b in the SMTB. The object is to keep the voltage pressure constant so that when the pressure is enough to start ionizing the water molecules it does so at a constant rate at the voltage pressure needed to start the ionization. Since it is voltage dependent and not amp dependent when the voltages are raised the rate of ionization increases, but current draw I have notices thus far, seems to slow the process down. I have already preformed experiments on this and noticed just what this thing is doing, I am currently modifying an 8xa circuit to have three phase output should have it done next week some time as the parts for it are in the mail.

Now since the Gas Processor and the WFC practically are the same device just dealing with a different medium the same circuit update needs to be made to the Gas Processor is my thinking. Now I found a circuit in some of Meyer's photos that are for sale and that circuit has the same flip flops I am using to turn the circuit into a three phase pulsing system, I think it is titled "DistCon."

With this set up I can take the voltages up to 2k and it only draws 0.33 amps in resonance but I have six times as less the production Meyer talks about and the only thing that made any sense to me was I have six times as less the pulsing phase rate as Meyer has. For I can get burst of gas output as low as 0.01 amps at 215 volts using pure distilled water but the output is random in the capacitors. I am certain that this is due to my pulsing circuit only having one phase as that makes the most sense. Anyway that is where the science is taking me right now and I should have some results next week if all goes well.

As for it being a vibrational resonance I really do not see that working in any of Meyer's work as he holds the tubes from both the bottom and the top and no way in the world will that do any kind of vibrational ringing. Meyer also used rubber O'rings in his design so again I would go as far as to say the vibrational theory just doesn't hold up and could possibly be miss information. For just take a good hard look at the WFC that ran his dune buggy and you will see it has springs in direct contact with the electrodes at the bottom and the outer tube has an O'ring holding it in place at the top. Nothing will vibrate much under those conditions as springs work to dampen vibration as that is part of their purpose on automobiles. Rubber, as you already stated, works to dampen vibration also, so again their theory just doesn't hold up given the evidence of Meyer's design.

Hope that helps,

h2opower


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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #238 on: July 20, 2011, 06:59:52 PM »
h20 power. In post # 248. You saidThe vic transformers were hooked up three and three. That is to say 3 were hooked in parallel.and those 3 were hooked up out of phase. I can see and understand fron the figure 8-11b where the first three go to the outer tube. But dont understand (those three were hooked up out of phase in a three phase arrangement). Could you explain this to me better so I can understand this a little better. I am working on the alternator version now. Also if there were 9 vics in total would the stator have to be center tapped to put in 3 more vics and then put in three more off the 3 neutral legs. trying my best to understand this .Thanks.

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« Reply #239 on: July 20, 2011, 08:33:53 PM »
h20 power. In post # 248. You saidThe vic transformers were hooked up three and three. That is to say 3 were hooked in parallel.and those 3 were hooked up out of phase. I can see and understand fron the figure 8-11b where the first three go to the outer tube. But dont understand (those three were hooked up out of phase in a three phase arrangement). Could you explain this to me better so I can understand this a little better. I am working on the alternator version now. Also if there were 9 vics in total would the stator have to be center tapped to put in 3 more vics and then put in three more off the 3 neutral legs. trying my best to understand this .Thanks.

Hi Highwater,

If you have the alternator version you should wire it just like shown in figure 8-11 B found in the SMTB I posted some good information for you here: http://www.hereticalbuilders.com/showpost.php?p=3914&postcount=72.

For what I am talking about is the system Stanley A. Meyer used to run his dune buggy before he switch over to the injector system. There he had nine VIC transformers connected to one 11 capacitor WFC that had only 10 capacitors being used all wired in series so it only had one power input line for the nine VIC transformers too connect to. So in order to figure out just how he wired all the VIC up I look to what he had done in the past with the figure 8-11 illustrations. Now I have changed how the three VIC transformers are connected together but have to test it all out but the rewiring looks more to the point than that of Meyer's and should do the same thing just without the voltage loss I think I see with the VIC transformer set up.

Since you are going to use the alternator version note that the rpm is where resonance is found in that set up and the power going to the rotor can be pulsed but does not control the resonance the speed of the turning of the rotor does. You are going to have to put in a steady input power and very the speed until resonance is found. From there you can then raise and lower the voltage at will. You will find Meyer made a drive motor PWM that used a coarse and fine adjustments just for that purpose, and the guy's job on the back of the dune buggy was to keep it in resonance while he was driving in the early days.

Hope that helps,
h2opower

 

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