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Author Topic: Stanley Meyer Explained  (Read 227810 times)

Offline WilbyInebriated

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #180 on: February 08, 2011, 10:52:19 PM »
From what I have seen in peoples capabilities here on this site, with the teachings I posted, a good 15-30% of you here on this site should now be converting your cars to run on water as it's sole source of fuel...
is your car converted to run on water as it's sole source of fuel?

But as Meyer himself sometimes said, "You must learn how to ask the right questions," and I believe now I have done just that.
i believe i did... just previously.

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #180 on: February 08, 2011, 10:52:19 PM »

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #181 on: February 09, 2011, 03:42:17 AM »
Willy  ;)

H2O, have you also thought about making a system to supply the gas to run a home furnace?  I think that might be easier in getting people up to speed on this technology.  I would greatly be interested in this before I try this on a car.

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #182 on: February 09, 2011, 06:31:23 AM »
My company is bringing out a different part of Stanley Meyer's technology which will not be talked about until it's unveiling as I have stated before my knowledge of Stanley Meyer's technology is vast. I did my part in doing what everyone else before me would not, and that was to give the water for fuel technology away for free. Sure you are going to have to build, design, and everything else that goes along with creating this technology for yourself. But if this is to be a grass roots effort then I say to you, "What are you waiting for!" My company already has it's agenda on which part of his technology it will market. As for what I have converted to use this technology I will not say as this is not the correct place to do that in. This is a WAR for our independence, an energy independence, where the individual is in full control of their own energy needs. The time to act is now for you all are those individuals!

As for a home furnace or those other parts of Stanley Meyer's technology, no I haven't built anything like that as of yet. To tell the truth I haven't even thought of doing so until you just brought it up right now. I will look into it for future projects for I think you are correct there is a need for that too.

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #182 on: February 09, 2011, 06:31:23 AM »
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Offline Mark69

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #183 on: February 09, 2011, 03:09:02 PM »
H2O, While I am sure everyone agree with me that we appreciate you sharing everything, the problem is, at least for me, the Meyer stuff is so far above me ability to comprehend the technology.  I have a hard time following most of the threads, as I am a beginner with electronics.  Also, it is pretty scary to be making a modification to ones automobile.  After all, this is a main vehicle for most that can't afford to be damaged by a screw up.
If it is possible, would you make an e book showing exactly how to make this technology, in very simple terms, with a parts list etc.?  I myself would like to start small, a lawn mower motor or small generator to see if my project would be a success before moving on to something much larger.  I definitely would be interested in the conversion for the home furnace as heating ones home is a large expense.  I want to thank you in advance for looking into this and coming up with a plan.

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #184 on: February 12, 2011, 12:08:36 AM »
My company is bringing out a different part of Stanley Meyer's technology which will not be talked about until it's unveiling as I have stated before my knowledge of Stanley Meyer's technology is vast. I did my part in doing what everyone else before me would not, and that was to give the water for fuel technology away for free. Sure you are going to have to build, design, and everything else that goes along with creating this technology for yourself. But if this is to be a grass roots effort then I say to you, "What are you waiting for!" My company already has it's agenda on which part of his technology it will market. As for what I have converted to use this technology I will not say as this is not the correct place to do that in. This is a WAR for our independence, an energy independence, where the individual is in full control of their own energy needs. The time to act is now for you all are those individuals!

As for a home furnace or those other parts of Stanley Meyer's technology, no I haven't built anything like that as of yet. To tell the truth I haven't even thought of doing so until you just brought it up right now. I will look into it for future projects for I think you are correct there is a need for that too.
so that's a no then... your car isn't converted to run on water as its sole source of fuel.

i find that interesting.

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #184 on: February 12, 2011, 12:08:36 AM »
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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #185 on: February 12, 2011, 01:41:34 AM »
so that's a no then... your car isn't converted to run on water as its sole source of fuel.

i find that interesting.

I find it even more interesting that you don't want the technology, you haven't read the thread I posted, you haven't done anything, all you want is for someone to do song and dace for you. News flash I am not an entertainer so don't you dare go expecting me to do a song and dance for you.

So using your type of mindset shown here, you reject the technology and everything else I have tried to give you, and again I find that even more interesting.

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #186 on: February 12, 2011, 02:23:08 AM »
So, how does the circuit diagram for the variable plate demo cell play into with what you are talking about? The diagram shown is an edit of the original but labeled with substitutes. Why did you choose 2 henry coils when the original coil wasn't even in the same ballpark?

Here is a pic of the actual device diagrammed...


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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #186 on: February 12, 2011, 02:23:08 AM »
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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #187 on: February 12, 2011, 02:55:34 AM »
Hi HeairBear,
That is just to get people started as the circuit will work and the inventive mind can make it work even better.

What has it been now since we've last talked, 1-2 years? How have you been?

Well, after Aaron and his crew threw me out of the Energetic forum I was free to think without all of their misdirections and distractions, and now I think I have solved the whole thing.
Things I know for sure:
How the hydrogen fracturing process fully works
How Stanley Meyer's technology breaks down the water molecules, plus get this, it is not a, "Catastrophic Dielectric Failure."
How the Electron Extraction Circuit works fully
How the Gas Processor works fully
I know where the energy is coming from to run a car plus all of the rest of the things Meyer talked about doing with the technology.

I am finishing up my understanding of the VIC Matrix Circuit right now, just have a few more experiments to run and a whole lot of math to do.

That 8XA circuit, if one thinks creatively, can power a car but they will need to build the Gas Processor as one need that device to be able to prolong the formation of the water molecules as Stanley Meyer explains.

I posted quite a bit of information on the http://www.hereticalbuilders.com/showthread.php?t=174 site that is, for the most part, based in science.

Enjoy!

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #188 on: February 12, 2011, 07:44:00 PM »
Hi TIA,

That circuit design I got from Tony Woodside and is the circuit that is being used in the video I post by OutlawStC. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VziZ33MA7OM. Now OutlawStC doesn't fully understand what is going on but I do. The one thing everyone needs to learn about Stanley A. Meyer water for fuel technology is Lindemann had it all wrong in his explanation of Meyer's work for there is no Catastrophic Dielectric Failure taking place. Meyer's technology doesn't work like that it works by stealing electrons from the molecules which makes them unstable and break apart for they no longer can obey the conservation of mass. I go over it a bit here: http://www.hereticalbuilders.com/showpost.php?p=4588&postcount=74

Remember that circuit is just to get people started for it is working, I am finishing up my work on the VIC Matrix Circuit and when done will share what I have learned about it, but so far that transformer is very difficult to explain. I do go over how to get it working correctly loosely at the other site but have to break it down for people as that is a lot of information one has to take in and learn how to do with lots of math to boot. I just need to confirm the science and math with expire-mental data, okay?  Once I have all the answers I will post it on the other site.

Tony Woodside posted an updated circuit here: http://www.globalkast.com/projects.htm

Thanks
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Hi H2Opower

Nice Circuit, but I have one little problem, and you may have already corrected it on newer designs, but there is so much out there that I rarely have time to view half of it.

The "Pass" component shown is an SCR, which once conducting will not shut off until the current drops below the threshold point.  Is this the correct part and idea?  My only assumption is the actual current flowing through the coil and "Water Cap" is always below the this point, but wouldn't this make start-up a "Problem".    (As in, the first cycle would turn on the device, but until the "Charge" was enough to limit the current, the part latches.)

I realize that there may be dynamics I am unaware of and I have not actually built this specific circuit, but I have made enough of this type of setup to know that reducing the current has always been one of the hardest parts (For me, at least...) and I am quite curious.  I can imagine that a 2 Henry "Choke" might be enough to prevent "Latch-up", but I didn't want to guess and I don't have enough experience with the dynamics of the "Water Cap" itself to figure it with plain math.

I am going to read and save the last few links you provided, and that may very well answer my questions, but any insight you would care to offer would be greatly appreciated.

TIA
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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #189 on: February 13, 2011, 08:01:58 AM »
Hi Art,
Sorry about that, guess I am not up on all the latest shorthands. The VIC Matrix Circuit is one complex device that looks so simple. Try this, go over one full pulse and one full off time and write down everything that takes place with respect to time, and you will find it is far more complicated than it looks. Then with each new type of transformer something totally different was added in to the mix. A long time ago I solved one part of the figure 6-1 VIC in the SMTB but there is a lot more I missed and some things I got dead wrong. One thing about me is I am not afraid to admit if I have made mistake, but like most I don't like it when it happens for I have to rewrite my mind in a way and change my thinking. Getting over Lindemann's explanation was about the best thing I could have done for it opened up a whole new line of questioning and this time all the answer, so far, are coming from today's modern science. Now I can see that everything Meyer did can be explained with science. Thanks for kind words, and I hope I don't let you down.

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #190 on: February 19, 2011, 09:19:32 AM »
In this video, by OutLawStc, you can see voltage taking over while amps are being restricted. Now OutLawStc doesn't understand what is taking place with his reaction so I will let everyone know what they are seeing and relate it to patent 4798661.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VziZ33MA7OM

In this graph Meyer shows the relationship between added resistance and what he calls the, "Breakdown Point." The added resistance is shown in other drawing as 60n and goes in between the negative electrode and the ground. The higher the resistance the higher the voltage will be needed to reach the breakdown point and the lower the amp leakage current will be.

One thing I'd like to make clear is there is no Dielectric Failure taking place in any of Meyer's work. Those two words are the main reason no one has ever duplicated Meyer's work for they lead to one asking all the wrong questions. How Stanley A. Meyer broke down the water molecules is by stealing electrons which cause the water molecules to no longer satisfy the octet rule and breaks apart into it component atoms, and note Meyer says the gases coming off are ionized in some of his videos, meaning missing electrons. What you are seeing in the video is water beginning to be ionized. It is in this ionized state that electrons can move in the water molecules, some get kicked out just the same as someone making ozone. The water molecule can remain the water molecule with only one electron kicked out, with the loss of two or more electrons the water molecules become unstable and breaks down into it's component atoms hydrogen and oxygen. This is a passive process much the same as the way a plant breaks down the water molecules, though plants make good use of light energy to push the electrons out to a higher orbit thus making it easier to pull the electrons away from the water molecules for energy is always conserved and the energies all add up to aid the plants to live and give us life in return.

This is how Stanley A. Meyer broken down molecules by stealing electrons from them by way of ionization. The electron extraction circuit is very much needed to take these freed electrons out of the system so they don't restabilize the molecules and so the water bath, in the WFC, doesn't get saturated with electrons slowing down the reaction over time. That is what you are seeing happen in the video, water molecules starting to be broken down by losing too many electrons. In this reaction if you increase the 60n resistance you can cut down the amp use to zero or to a very minimal value. You can also decrease the gap distance between the electrodes for amp leakage means dielectric breakdown which is something Meyer tried very hard to stop from taking place. So now you see why so many failed to replicate Meyer's work for they where all trying to do what Meyer was trying not to do. Everyone say, "Thank you Peter Lindemann."  For that wrong prediction of Meyer's work sent everyone on 180 degrees in the wrong direction from where they wanted to be. Aaron's aid is also false as conditioning the tubes makes it easier to have amp leakage which is also going 180 degrees in the wrong direction from where one wishes to go. In my opinion this was a deliberate act to keep people from solving Stanley A. Meyer technologies. My reasoning is based on how Aaron would always try and steer what I was uncovering in the wrong direction and since Lindemann is his mentor I can see where all the misdirection was coming from. The "Nitrogen Theory" is totally dead and it is the main reason for my being booted from the EF, as I was getting too close to the truth. Now everyone can see how Stanley A. Meyer technologies really works in breaking down molecules into their component atoms and the high energy yields when products are formed from atoms missing electrons.

 And note doing the reverse, IE, stealing the electrons from the atoms prior to placing them in a situation where they have to react to form molecules results in the slowing down the reaction and releases a great amount of energy in the process of creating the missing electrons to satisfy the octet rule, the conservation of mass wins . This also obeys the conservation of energy in that what energy was put into the taking of the electrons is given back when products are formed. I go over that on the explanation page. http://www.hereticalbuilders.com/showthread.php?t=174

 

May the truth set you free!

 

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #190 on: February 19, 2011, 09:19:32 AM »
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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #191 on: February 21, 2011, 11:32:29 AM »
Hi Everyone,
Now this video goes to show what I am talking about when I say there is no dielectric failure taking place in Meyer's work.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=algECMeQFrE&feature=related
Meyer worked very hard to prevent the dielectric breakdown of the water molecules as his goal is to ionize the water molecules so that electrons could be ejected from the water molecules. This is the Octet Rule that Meyer was dealing with as until his time no one had ever ask, "What happens if a molecule starts to lose electrons and can no longer satisfy the Octet Rule?" The answer is the molecules will breakdown into their component elements. So as you can see what Meyer had discovered has the full backing of modern science, it's just no one had ever ask this question before, let alone use it to break down molecules.

If you don't know what the Octet Rule is here is a video that will aid your knowledge in understanding just what it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8b56I8U24xU

This is as far as water can ionized and remain stable molecules: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yM-rLTOQhw ionizing the water molecules beyond this point results in the breakdown of the water molecules into their component atoms. The energy being added to the system in Meyer's work is the ionization energy coming from the electricity being added to the system and that pushes the reaction to the right it keeps pushing it to the right until electrons start to get ejected from the [H3O]+ and that sets up and equilibrium unbalance that is countered by the [OH]- giving up it's hydrogen to maintain a equilibrium state. So the result of ionization is the [H3O]+ breaks down by losing it's electron and the [OH]- dumps the hydrogen atom to maintain balance, four hydrogen gas atoms and two oxygen gas atoms are released in this process.

Now this is a new theory that has yet to be proved but in looking at what takes place experimentally it seems possible. [H4O]+2 would be a second level of ionization and [OH]- + [H3O]+ a first level ionization. For I am not the only one that has notice this, the bubble evolution is much larger than normal electrolysis, seen in Ravi's replication, Outlawsct, and even Dr. Dingle makes note of it in one of his videos saying the bigger bubbles are hydrogen. Since we are adding in energy to the system this makes sense for you can think of it as a last stand for the water molecules to try and stay together. One could argue for example for a H[H2O]4(+) or even H[H2O]6(+) based upon how lithium and sodium hydrates. Since this is new science the one who figures this one out will get to be in the history books, and their theories will be taught in the class rooms of the future ;).

All of my work on Meyer technologies is science based and everything Meyer did does obey and follow modern scientific principles. I wanted all of you to know you don't have to take my word for it as it is all backed by modern science, one just has to ask the right questions. My work shows the science behind the patents.

Enjoy!

h2opower
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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #192 on: February 21, 2011, 02:11:27 PM »
So a electron vacuum sort of,would work?

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #193 on: February 21, 2011, 06:46:57 PM »
So a electron vacuum sort of,would work?

Yes, as all energy is added up and vacuum energy would be viewed as, "Gravitational" energy from the perspective of the water molecules. Remember Meyer added in "Light" energy with the LEDs to lower the electrical energy needed to remove the electrons as all these different forms of energy add up and work together. This follows the conservation of energy as all energies added to the mix are added up as one working towards breaking down the water molecules into their component elements as they lower the individual energies requirements to get the job done than if it where working alone to do the same thing.

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #194 on: February 22, 2011, 09:53:59 PM »
Hi H20power so what can one do to increase electrolysis in a cell? A guy said to put an oscillator near the cell. I am using tha lawton circuit now but if you have other ideas I would like to hear.
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