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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #900 on: January 25, 2023, 06:16:11 PM »

All I need to know is
How to make a polar water capacitor in picofarads range ?
A detailed schematic ? Please

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #901 on: January 25, 2023, 10:09:25 PM »
All I need to know is
How to make a polar water capacitor in picofarads range ?
A detailed schematic ? Please

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Vortex 22
Go for the steam resonator as described by Meyer instead, there are tons of hho generators on yt, but barely any low wattage voltage-watercookers.



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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #902 on: January 28, 2023, 01:52:56 AM »
All of this posting on my thread is a clear example of disrespect at it's finest and clearly shows something freely given is to be treated as it has no value.

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #903 on: January 28, 2023, 02:42:52 AM »
All of this posting on my thread is a clear example of disrespect at it's finest and clearly shows something freely given is to be treated as it has no value.

It's unfortunate Ed.  Not sure a private thread would be any better.  You may want to use a blog
space like substack at some point.  Don't know.  Lots of riff-raff in the world these days.

I will say, your work has more value than anyone else I know in regards to taking Stan's work to
the next level.  I'm actually surprised you haven't taken this private and offline a long time ago.
I know Ronnie Walker did and he wasn't nearly as far along as you, at least not on the science aspect.

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #904 on: January 28, 2023, 09:11:02 PM »
Hi.

Is AIR fuel better than WATER fuel?
I think so.

Why not put a JoeCell on a car and get yourself an air motor? no fuel, not even water.

Once you know the possibilities, Stan Meyer stuff is not so impressive anymore.

Maybe I don't belong here??? Is freedom of speech a thing of the past?

-wlw


When you introduce a new idea to a group like this you do so by making your own thread and show respect to what others have or are trying to do. Free speech has nothing to do about it as it's all about showing the thread creators respect.


In this thread I posted the science behind this type of water for fuel technology. Just because you are too lazy to read what I posted or not bright enough to understand what I posted doesn't give you the right to come into my thread and trash it with other technologies you also haven't a clue in how they actually work. You don't know how a "Joe Cell" actually works, correct? Now I have a theory on how it works but this thread is about using high voltage potential differences to break the bonds of the water molecules not about the functionality of a "Joe Cell." Do you get what I am saying? This thread is on this one method to go about breaking the bonds of the water molecules started by Dr. Dingle of the Philippines but made legal by Stanley Meyer so that when his patents expired we all could jump into this technology. The problem is too much miss information has been put out concerning this technology. I am convinced some where paid to put out false information while others just didn't have the proper education needed to try and get into this technology.


As far as I know I am the only one that applied the scientific method to this technology which is why what is posted here in this thread is so different than anyone else's. Like I said before I provided scientific examples of the theories I have for this technology as proof of what it is I posted is true just like a good scientist is supposed to do. This isn't an easy technology to build correctly and I did not post exactly how to go about building anything as that in my view would be unfair to me. You see all can move to get this technology up and running as the patents have expired but what I found out when I went to the 2013 Global BEM held in Boulder, Colorado was racism is alive and well in this country. At that time everyone wanted Russ to be the one that brought this technology out as he looked like them as once folks saw my face practically all the support I was getting dried up over night even though I had just shown everyone something they had never seen done with this technology before in that I did put a high voltage potential difference on the electrodes of a WFC in a provable way. That is something I haven't seen anyone outside of myself do to this date since then.


Anyway I hope you understand my point of view on these matters as I am the thread creator and did the hard work of figuring out the science behind this technology and posted what I found out for everyone to have free of charge.


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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #905 on: February 04, 2023, 04:48:16 PM »
I'm sure Joe's cell is fake, that was my conclusion  years ago. Zero-science device.

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #906 on: February 04, 2023, 06:39:47 PM »
mr. h20power

your view, in my eyes, is very myopic.

I do know how a JoeCell works actually.
it is an optical transmutation device which Walter Russell described decades before Joe built one!

are you familiar with Lord Kelvins 'Thunderstorm'?
his water dropper experiment... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelvin_water_dropper

Explain to me, how does flowing water generate spark discharge? experiment proves flowing water makes lightning...

My only point here is ppl who experiment with water DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IT IS. Maybe water is liquid electricity.  ;D

I won't bother you again on here. This is your territory I see.

Cheers,
-wlw


Yes this is my thread where I gave away the science I uncovered about this technology free of charge as notice the title says, "Stanley Meyer Explained." Now I will openly admit that I did not show how to actually get the technology up and running as I made no promise to do such a thing in the past as all I promised was if I got at the science behind this technology I would share it openly and trust me I did do just that complete with real world examples backing up the theory I came up with.


The problem as I see it is folks wishing to get this technology up and running don't have enough science under their belts and aren't willing to spend the amounts of money required to purchase the many tools, machines, and materials they will need to get this technology up and running. I have mentioned many times in this thread that one must get a "Differential Probe," to be able to read this technology as one would be working in the blind without one. But looking at the actions of others it's clear to me folks just don't have enough science behind them to know that to be a must have tool for working with this technology. You see due to the high voltages required to get this technology up and running a differential probe that can withstand these voltages is a bit pricy and folks just aren't willing to spend what it takes to get this technology up and running as that's not the only thing they will find really costly in dealing with this technology.
Everything you see I purchased in this thread others will have to purchase too if they truly wish to get this technology up and running. But as of yet I haven't seen folks move to purchase these must have items but only make excuses as to why they feel they do not need to purchase these must have items. As a result I feel only a hand full of people in this world are actually willing to do whatever it takes to get this technology up and running as I am to the point of moving towards mass production with this technology.


Meyer told many a lie that would allow him and him alone to be the only one that knew how to get this technology working properly as using materials off the shelf is just a lie to make folks think this technology is cheap to make and implement into todays existing fossil fuel driven technologies. Not even his twin brother seems to be aware of just how to get this technology up and running properly as Meyer didn't know about the science I posted in this thread so how could he teach it to his brother? Trust me I am fully aware that me saying such things triggers people to treat me poorly as these people just aren't smart enough to be able to asked the right questions let alone answer them. Why people never want to make use of the scientific method is due to the scientific method is just a very slow process of elimination that will require years of their time to get answers to any and all questions they ask about this technology. You see it took me over ten years to get at the science behind this technology and even more years to learn how to go about building everything properly as I started working on this technology in March of 2006.


So, if you wish to talk about the "Joe Cell" you should do so in your own thread as this thread is geared towards sharing the science behind Meyer's technology. For reasons unknown to me I am not allowed to filter out such irrelevant talks about other technologies outside of the voltage dissociation of the water molecules from this thread. For if you do understand the "SCIENCE" behind the Joe Cell technology I'd like to read about what you have to say but not in my thread that is aimed at sharing the science behind this water for fuel technology that makes use of voltage to break the bonds of the water molecules. You see I have a working theory on how the Joe Cell actually works scientifically but I'm just not interested in that technology enough to want to pursue it which is to actually say I'm not willing to spend money on it. I am being honest in saying I would like to hear what you have to say about the science behind the Joe Cell technology but not here on my thread. Don't be a chicken poop and put out what you are willing to share in your own thread showing what you figured out with scientific examples and proofs that show you do in fact understand that technology. But as of right now it's just words as you haven't shown anything that backs up your claims.



In any event I have chosen to put this water for fuel technology out and it will be as Meyer spoke about in that the cheapest technology will win out in the end. So, your Joe Cell is in direct competition with my efforts to bring this technology into the marketplace so may the cheapest technology win!


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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #907 on: February 05, 2023, 08:01:59 PM »
Mr. h20power,

You never explained how flowing water makes spark?? in Lord Kelvin’s water dropper experiment.
just tell me WHY flowing water makes spark? simple question.  :P

There are no meters made for scalar, cold electricity or radiant energy. Its not about $$, they just don’t make such a thing.

It worked in Meyer’s favor to complicate and make it expensive to replicate, it’s called “misdirection”.

To build a Cell is cheap, and you can use it to manufacture your own oil for pennies a day if you want.
If this FE thing is a competition, we ALL lost to Joe over 30 years ago!!! sorry.  :o

-wlw

ps. I am certain u will have the last word here, time for me to jump ship! the wind has left my sails..
Cheers


I know how all that works but I simply will not talk about it in my thread, understood? Make your own thread and then we can talk about what I think I know about that technology. But this thread is for this type of water dissociation using high voltage potential differences like a thunderstorm does, as this technology is an electronic way to mimic the earth's Global Electric Circuit. That quick answer didn't come easy as it took me quite a few years to get at the core science behind this technology.


As for the Lord Kelvin experiment I'd like to perform more experiments on it as the questions I have are very different than those video lectures on the technology that are shown on YouTube as I think it does something else but they simply aren't testing for it. But again that's my ideas and I'd not post anything here about that for people are quick to steal an unpublished idea pawning it off as their own.


What Meyer did wasn't merely misdirection but patent protection so that no one would steal his work. As never forget he was a business man following the rules of this capitalist system we are all trapped in right now.
As for the winds leaving your sails make your own thread and see in reality if those winds have actually done so as to just talk about it means nothing as you actually have to put up your sails first to find out, IE, make your own thread.


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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #908 on: February 06, 2023, 10:36:41 AM »
I don't really understand how the diode affects the circuit... and would appreciate some explanation.
A diode doesn't COMPLETELY block current, but rather it has a capacitance which will build up a charge (very quickly, it's not a very big capacitance) and then the current will reflect back down the coil (no?).


In one sense - if the inductances are low, then you'll end up just pulse- charging DC plates with voltage... and then can just go back to DC?  But the idea is that this is pulsed across the water cell using the cell as a capacitor; and even using the water itself to distribute the charge rather than layers of plates.  But that transformer is on a ferrite core, so that inductance is pretty high, and going to be fighting against other coils too... so does the diode effectively choke it? And then isn't it really just DC? And barely even pulsed?  Since the multiple pulses are just going to charge the plate, have a long off time to let that dissipate across the water?


I've seen this work; but haven't really been that impressed with the analysis of the circuit, what are the water frequencies (oh I see they're noted on the patent) how fast is thee inner charge?  How long is the overall gate frequency?  I guess that's noted too; still would be nice to see it confirmed in a working setup.
I guess the frequency part needed for a 4 cylinder engine is (? 6000RPM 100RPS 400Hz per cylinder?)


What ever happened to that iron d max guy?  I know life happened. 
Is there another shop one can buy the circuits pre-fab?  Can we instead make a reasonable facsimile using an arduino or pi or something?


edit: :) too bad things change; the links at the start of this thread no longer work; but I see many have been at this a while.

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #909 on: February 06, 2023, 05:25:53 PM »
I don't really understand how the diode affects the circuit... and would appreciate some explanation.
A diode doesn't COMPLETELY block current, but rather it has a capacitance which will build up a charge (very quickly, it's not a very big capacitance) and then the current will reflect back down the coil (no?).


In one sense - if the inductances are low, then you'll end up just pulse- charging DC plates with voltage... and then can just go back to DC?  But the idea is that this is pulsed across the water cell using the cell as a capacitor; and even using the water itself to distribute the charge rather than layers of plates.  But that transformer is on a ferrite core, so that inductance is pretty high, and going to be fighting against other coils too... so does the diode effectively choke it? And then isn't it really just DC? And barely even pulsed?  Since the multiple pulses are just going to charge the plate, have a long off time to let that dissipate across the water?


I've seen this work; but haven't really been that impressed with the analysis of the circuit, what are the water frequencies (oh I see they're noted on the patent) how fast is thee inner charge?  How long is the overall gate frequency?  I guess that's noted too; still would be nice to see it confirmed in a working setup.
I guess the frequency part needed for a 4 cylinder engine is (? 6000RPM 100RPS 400Hz per cylinder?)


What ever happened to that iron d max guy?  I know life happened. 
Is there another shop one can buy the circuits pre-fab?  Can we instead make a reasonable facsimile using an arduino or pi or something?


edit: :) too bad things change; the links at the start of this thread no longer work; but I see many have been at this a while.
 

What is resonance? When a combination of reactive elements ripple when it is pulsed by a single pulse, that is called self-oscillation. When it is fed pulses (or AC) at this frequency, it resonates and the amplitude grows larger each pulse. 
But a diode prevents ripples and oscillation through a closed loop because those are AC, bidirectional current. We do want everything to be unidirectional, so what is resonance in the VIC+WFC system? How does the LC resonant frequency relate to DC pulses when it can't oscillate back and forth? I think there is no relationship, I think the key is in the VIC, the function is creating HV pulses while current is choked off when it tends to flow, through self AND mutual induction which Meyer labels as Rp, normally those are magnetic losses, in a way this loss must be high so current is impeded, and the common core causes Faraday's law to create a voltage anyway as an output coil. Both choke coils are equal and opposite, partnered. This is I think the famous asymmetric regauging of the potential. 

High resistance without voltage drop. If the chokes are made from resistive wire, the resistance converts current to heat while the same voltage is created through Faraday's law, the VIC must absorb all power, the WFC can't absorb power, the coil assembly is a current limiter, the water is exposed to the  electric fields only (to strip away electrons), how does this relate to capacitance and freq? dunno yet. Freq must be faster than self-discharge and/or self-charging  by the liberated electrons, so that, or any movement in the water may be the AC equivalence. 

H20power, I know you won't agree, please only address and correct specific points.

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #910 on: February 07, 2023, 03:05:00 AM »
I don't really understand how the diode affects the circuit... and would appreciate some explanation.
A diode doesn't COMPLETELY block current, but rather it has a capacitance which will build up a charge (very quickly, it's not a very big capacitance) and then the current will reflect back down the coil (no?).


In one sense - if the inductances are low, then you'll end up just pulse- charging DC plates with voltage... and then can just go back to DC?  But the idea is that this is pulsed across the water cell using the cell as a capacitor; and even using the water itself to distribute the charge rather than layers of plates.  But that transformer is on a ferrite core, so that inductance is pretty high, and going to be fighting against other coils too... so does the diode effectively choke it? And then isn't it really just DC? And barely even pulsed?  Since the multiple pulses are just going to charge the plate, have a long off time to let that dissipate across the water?



I've seen this work; but haven't really been that impressed with the analysis of the circuit, what are the water frequencies (oh I see they're noted on the patent) how fast is thee inner charge?  How long is the overall gate frequency?  I guess that's noted too; still would be nice to see it confirmed in a working setup.
I guess the frequency part needed for a 4 cylinder engine is (? 6000RPM 100RPS 400Hz per cylinder?)


What ever happened to that iron d max guy?  I know life happened. 
Is there another shop one can buy the circuits pre-fab?  Can we instead make a reasonable facsimile using an arduino or pi or something?


edit: :) too bad things change; the links at the start of this thread no longer work; but I see many have been at this a while.


Hello 3dx0r,


The VIC circuit is as simple as it looks but it is also very complex at the same time. The blocking diode functions as a switch which for the most part is either open or it's closed. Sure there is some current leakage but it's very small to the point one can ignore it. If you don't build it, get the tools needed to view it, and test it first hand it's kinda hard to explain as most come to me having not read this thread, nor read Meyer's patents, and also having never performed a single experiment with this technology.


The Voltage Intensifier Circuit is just a way to mimic the earth's global electric circuit electronically, but why is that important, correct? Most people don't know that a thunderstorm breaks the bonds of the water molecules by way of ionization and that lightening and thunder are not the same thing. You have to be really good at observing things to be able to tell that the two are totally different and that one does cause the other. When the water molecules are broken down in this fashion you get hydrogen and oxygen gas atoms plus the creation of an electric charge. When this charge potential difference has enough energy to overcome the air's resistance to current flow it creates lightning. As the water molecules are being subjected to a high voltage potential difference the electrons of those atoms has a threshold voltage where the atoms will then eject their electrons. Think of it as boiling water as if you bring the water to 90°C at STP will the water ever boil? The answer it no. So too does the electrons have a threshold that must be crossed before those atoms will move to eject their electrons. This threshold voltage is capacitor space gap dependent and the transformer has to be powerful enough to power the load that is placed upon it. It's a bit tricky to accomplish this which is why you don't see many out there doing this but trust me it is doable.


Now once I moved this thread from the hho topic to this one I stopped any and all teaching of this technology as I can see with my own eyes that I have to be the change I wish to see in this world and that this technology is on the costly side as things have to be done by making "One-Offs," which is the most costly way to go about building things. I don't see anyone following my lead so what was the point of continued sharing beyond just the raw science behind this technology? So, once I shared the raw science behind this technology I fulfilled a promise I made many years ago. To go beyond that is a bridge too far for me as I have been treated very poorly by these types of forums online. I think this is the very last forum that hasn't banned me that I joined into as all the other forums banned me in an effort to shut down the science I was uncovering about this technology as I continued to make use of the scientific method on this technology since the science I was sharing conflicted with their theories and guesses which were backed by nothing scientific.


After going to the 2013 Global Energy Breakthrough Movement conference held in Boulder, Colorado I started to leave everyone behind as none would follow my lead as folks like Max Miller, Russ Gries, and a whole lot of others told them not too. Where Max was putting around 500 volts to his WFC I was putting 9.2kv to mines. I went on to reach 10kv of potential difference but I then discovered I had made a few mistakes in the WFC design as, like many others, I too went off of Don Gable's sharing of how the WFC was to be made. That turned out to be a big mistake as the space gap between the electrodes of the resonant cavities was just too large. I then corrected that mistake and posted why I had to do so in this thread someplace.
People were telling folks that I was faking it somehow but in the interview video made by John Fraser it was made clear that I was not. But since the forum leaders at those times were telling people to not follow my lead and/or that I was a fraud I was forced to go it alone. I'd tell people that they needed to get a differential probe and they would in unison tell people that no they didn't have to get that tool. This went on until they simply faded away as over time they had nothing to show for their efforts when I did. But like all technologies I found that I still had much to learn about this technology so I humbled myself and kept my nose to the grind stone of science and pressed on.


I am totally unwilling to share what I learned about this technology due to being shunned by the hho community and as a result of this poor treatment I made the choice to share no more past just the raw science behind this technology. The raw science is posted in this thread but if this site shuts down it will take that information with it and as of right now I am not allowed to post on any other forum concerning concepts such at these. You don't even have to go far to see how I am treated poorly by others because they wish to make a name for themselves or something telling me I don't know what water is, lol, what a joke. So as I result I simply refuse to let these people use my brain power to line their pockets with gold or move to tell folks that they solved this technology totally stealing what I would have shared with them as if they figured things out.


I know you didn't come here to hear this but it is what it is at this point as I have thrown in the towel on anyone else actually moving to do what it takes to solve this technology, stay for a small handful of people. I know this makes me seem as if I am a horrible man but I am not as I just want the credit I am due for all of my years of studying this technology to get at the science behind the patents. I have already had many of my posting done on other forums stolen from me where the thief pawned off what they stole as their own taking what I wrote word for word but removing my name from what the stole. It's sad to see things like this happen but I'm powerless to stop them from stealing from me unless I simply stop sharing. Trust me these people have shown me their hand and it's all bad.


Well, I have to run for now, but will come back to talk about this a bit more. Just know I require folks to do their own work as they make use of the science I shared openly with the whole world.


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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #911 on: February 07, 2023, 09:36:11 AM »
Dear Ed,

Here's a blast from the past for you.

Spent more than a month decoding circuits, patents and troves of estate images to develop
this.  Made dozens of circuit boards and mailed them for free all over the world and yet,
you're still the only one working on this technology.  Some things do make me sad.

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #912 on: February 07, 2023, 12:48:33 PM »
Dear Ed,

Here's a blast from the past for you.

Spent more than a month decoding circuits, patents and troves of estate images to develop
this.  Made dozens of circuit boards and mailed them for free all over the world and yet,
you're still the only one working on this technology.  Some things do make me sad.
Nice build. But I take that's a gated 12V pulser, that's just one functional block in the system. The VIC imitates the pre-lightning conditions without the discharge. An ideal VIC with the load connected has on the output 0 ampere and infinite voltage.

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #913 on: February 07, 2023, 03:12:05 PM »
Nice build. But I take that's a gated 12V pulser, that's just one functional block in the system. The VIC imitates the pre-lightning conditions without the discharge. An ideal VIC with the load connected has on the output 0 ampere and infinite voltage.

This particular circuit pings the primary and with its PLL and high frequency CT hunts for the frequency doubling resonance and locks to that.  I never had a decent WFC to test it with, but my VIC was fairly close.  At the time I built it, it was pretty close to state-of-the-art.  If I would have wound the VIC with enameled resistive wire and had a WFC with the correct tube count and dimensions, I may have seen something, don't know.  My goal building it was to pull back from using a digital, processor controlled driver and have something analog that was still automatic and self tuning.  It was made clear to me even way back then that the water used and the temperature, changes the resonant frequencies.  So I was hoping to have a board for the ones that had a proper VIC and WFC, they could connect this driver, power on and produce water fuel without any other screwing around.  And being fully analog, this has infinite frequency resolution, so if you need frequency precision to five decimals places, you've got it, whereas on the digital side of the house, you may end up bouncing right over the exact frequency you need and never actually hit the sweet spot.  Only later did I discover it might be necessary to have modulation on top of a carrier signal to make this work to its full potential.

Anyway, my point was, a lot of us tried our hand at this technology, but only Ed kept after it.  He's tenacious.   :)

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #914 on: February 07, 2023, 03:48:54 PM »
Interesting, did you document the results? Do you still have the schematic of the circuit?