What about a spark-gap voltage regulator, like those used by Tesla, Morrey…
(the second example uses tubes which can have a short lifespan when we get to doing this stuff)


What voltage? Well it can only be one.
And that is the breakdown voltage of H2O across the gap distance, which is the linear distance between the 2 plates.


Calculate this gap voltage value using the air constant instead, and you have the length of the gap (approximately) through air.

This should hold true regardless of the volume of water.


Next, use the spark gap as your trigger for the driver, dial back the phase a bit and you should be good to go

For a solid-state solution: you can make a ‘transistor’ from the mica-gap in a laser pen.
May be more reliable and consistent (reseal it after you set the gap)

For pure water (deionized or distilled):


65-70 Volts per Micron

Hello Dog-One,


If you read through my crowdfund you will see I am trying to raise funds to make 50 10kw gen-sets running on this technology. There are rules that I have to follow as I can't just send someone something that needs to be put together when if done incorrectly can result in injury or death. As a company I have to follow the safety rules any other company has to follow. Thus I have to hire people that are licensed to work on home and business electrical systems. I must comply with the laws of the land or the company will be fined, or sued, or shut down for unsafe business practices. I will more than likely need to be UL tested or by some other standards test measuring entity and trust me those test aren't cheap.


This also goes for any vehicle conversion kits as that too must be UL tested as again if something were to go wrong and it's determined that it was my kit that resulted in someone's injury or death my company can be held liable for that. This is what I meant when I said this technology must be made safe for use. Most reading this have no idea just what it takes to sell something to the general public as far as the rules and liabilities go. Heck, even I don't know all of the rules. This is why the units I sold before went out the door as plug and play units no assembly required as the liability laws kinda suck. If someone purchased one of those units from another vendor and it wasn't assembled properly and leaked hydrogen into the cab or something and it then got ignited the company that sold it to them will more than likely be found at fault even though the individual made a mistake in assembling it. There are a lot of rules when dealing with flammable products.


The safest method seems to be the water fuel injectors but that requires some expensive machines to be able to make them. Plus don't forget Meyer never got them to actually work so not only would I someone have to build them they would also have to figure out what Meyer did wrong and solve the problem.


As for knowing what space gap to use a lot of things come into play that I am sure no one is thinking of as some of it was a surprise to even me when I found out the hard way by building it, watching it fail, and then breaking it all apart to try and figure out why it failed. When you think of this as a business you don't want to sell someone something and it only last for a month and they have to buy a new one, you know that I mean? It has to be built to last just as good as the things it will be replacing or better. From my perspective only the "Greedy" ask me for a full set of plans and instructions on this technology as to go into business with this technology one must know just how this technology actually works or you more than likely will cause someone harm or sell a product that only last for a week before it starts having problems as they more than likely wouldn't bother with any longevity testing in the field. This is the folly of the greedy as their mind is only focused on one thing, getting that money.


I hope to make you proud one day though as I am trying to do this the right way doting all the "i's" and crossing all the "t's."



Take care,
Edward Mitchell
Owner
True Green Solutions
https://gofund.me/87a49b22

If you read through my crowdfund you will see I am trying to raise funds to make 50 10kw gen-sets running on this technology.

My bad.  I missed that last entry with the generators.  Hope I'm the only one that did.

Keep at it Ed.  Do what you can to get that prototype model running and amend your gofundme page to show it in operation.  The funds you need for the rest will follow rather quickly.  Chet may even kick-in $10K himself--he loves that water stuff.     Heck, I'll even sell my two gasoline generators and make a donation (provided the Holcomb project doesn't pan out).

So I have to ask, how are you going to decide who gets the first 50 units?  And after those are claimed, what's the plan for the next 50?  Any chance you would be willing to license distributors to help with volume?  Where I currently live, I'm certain I can find 30 customers in one week willing to buy a finished unit.

BTW, I've been tinkering with various exhaust sound suppression systems (mufflers) that would make these units amenable to running around the clock.  I would guess with the exhaust gas recirculation you would need to use anyway, these can be made to run pretty darn silent--at least as good as any common residential emergency power unit.

My bad.  I missed that last entry with the generators.  Hope I'm the only one that did.

Keep at it Ed.  Do what you can to get that prototype model running and amend your gofundme page to show it in operation.  The funds you need for the rest will follow rather quickly.  Chet may even kick-in $10K himself--he loves that water stuff.     Heck, I'll even sell my two gasoline generators and make a donation (provided the Holcomb project doesn't pan out).

So I have to ask, how are you going to decide who gets the first 50 units?  And after those are claimed, what's the plan for the next 50?  Any chance you would be willing to license distributors to help with volume?  Where I currently live, I'm certain I can find 30 customers in one week willing to buy a finished unit.

BTW, I've been tinkering with various exhaust sound suppression systems (mufflers) that would make these units amenable to running around the clock.  I would guess with the exhaust gas recirculation you would need to use anyway, these can be made to run pretty darn silent--at least as good as any common residential emergency power unit.

Hi Dog-One,


I would suggest that the generators are put to use with stand alone battery systems that the generator would responsible for charging that could support some solar also. The photo below shows how the generator should be used as basically the entire system will be replacing the grid power tie systems. It's done this way so that the unit can last a long time as no unit like this is meant to be operated 24/7 but intermittently. As for whom would be getting the these units? I have no idea as of yet as I am so far away from this goal as the crowdfund is far from being a success.


But yeah, that's the plan in that when I get the prototype up and running to put that video on my crowdfund so that people can see the technology working. I posted a video showing just what the bubbles look like when this technology reaches the ionization threshold as it does appear as if the technology is boiling the water as professor Paul Czysz stated in the, "It Runs on Water" video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkjpVcsRQLc. I find however in forums like these most are unimpressed with these types of things as they just want the technology for themselves at all cost and if that means they must put me down in order to get it that's exactly what it appears they have been trying to do to get it. The good news is I am not the only one that is having success with this technology but the other person has dropped out of all of this due to the high cost involved. So, for right now it's only me that is making an effort to bring this technology to the marketplace.


When it comes to the genset I think the exhaust should be filtered and the water vapor condensed back into water to be put back into the tank. Now I know it wont be able to get 100% of the water but anything it can get will help in conserving water. That should also make the gensets really quite. I have a lot to do if the crowdfund is a success as I have to put together a good team of folks, train them up, and start with installs, sales, and marketing, and get them out to any home that wants one. I hope to be able to complete all of these plans in my lifetime as I am starting to get old now. A world run by hydrogen sounds like a good world to live in to me.


I'll keep at it as long as I am able. Cheers,
Edward Mitchell
Owner
True Green Solutions
https://gofund.me/87a49b22

We have to take a moment to pet the elephant.


If the the system produces hho using less energy than the than 50% Carnot output of an ICE,


We can safely connect it directly to an electric hho fuel cell and power an infinite circuit.
No engine needed.

If thermodynamics allows the operation of the pair "Meyer-Mitchel electrolyzer" - the fuel cell how over-unity device,Is it possible to exclude unnecessary elements from this scheme ?
These elements, tubes, hoses, wires, two containers, one for the electrolyzer, the second for the fuel cell. Well, you got me.
We have a wonderful device in which electricity is immediately obtained from clean water.
Such things are known in nature, for example, the electric organs of Stingray.
But in this case, the fish uses "fuel".

We have to take a moment to pet the elephant.


If the the system produces hho using less energy than the than 50% Carnot output of an ICE,


We can safely connect it directly to an electric hho fuel cell and power an infinite circuit.
No engine needed.

To me this post is being disrespectful and let me explain why. I have already laid out exactly where I am headed with this technology on my crowdfund page and even just in general on this forum. Don't treat me like I am Russ Gries whom has been so willing to jump ship onto a different technology when he ran out of things to build. If you wish to head in this "electron extraction" direction by all means don't let me get in your way as you are free to pursue that technology all you like. However, if you don't like the direction I am heading in and wish to change that direction then you can simply kiss my a**. Do I make myself clear?


I have made my choice and have been moving in that direction for a really long time now and that choice is to produce hydrogen on demand from plain ordinary water using this technology to be used at the point of use for all types of vehicles to include gensets for power generation. This is the direction I have been heading in for the past 12 years or so. So to me there isn't any elephant in the room as I know where I am going. I'm not going to change my course as this is where the science has lead me in my making use of the scientific method. You may think the things I have stated in this thread are of my opinion but they are not as they are based on science and there are plenty of actual experiments backing these "Opinions" up which makes them not just opinions do they not?


Here is an example of the science I follow. There are two theories of what took place in 2011 when the Fukushima reactors blew up and I ask each of you reading this to choose which theory sounds more plausible.
My colleges think that a building with heating/air-conditioning having vents that lead to the outside air is capable of holding pressures above 111 psi to cause the hydrogen and oxygen mixture to flash. They say it was the intense heat that cause the water molecules to be broken down into hydrogen and oxygen gases.


My theory is the water molecules were broken down by way of "Radiolysis," in which the intense radiation knocks off the electrons from the atoms that make up the water molecules. In breaking the bonds of the water molecules like this it creates hydrogen, oxygen, and a electric charge. As the reaction was taking place an electrical charge was building up in the water bath and once this charge had enough energy to over come the air's resistance to current flow it produced a spark in the presence hydrogen and oxygen gases and the rest is history which you already should know.


So, which theory seems more plausible? A building with an air-conditioning/heating system that is connected to the outside air supply is capable of holding a pressures over 111 psi or that Radiolysis took place?


Edward Mitchell
Owner
True Green Solutions
https://gofund.me/87a49b22