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Offline Sergh

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #570 on: May 13, 2021, 12:47:21 PM »
Without using any semiconductor or lamp diode.
It is not necessary to have a diode as electronic part for AC rectification. Under certain conditions, the contacts of the cell are capable of  of self- rectifying:
-  cell contacts are made of different metals or metals with different oxide film thicknesses. Some metal oxides, not just aluminum, are capable of rectifying alternating current.
-  even two electrodes with different surface areas conduct alternating current to the electrolyte differently, e.g. needle and rectangle, fine wire and tube

https://simplifier.neocities.org/rectifier.html

http://no3m.net/2016/02/electrolytic-rectifiers/



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« Reply #571 on: May 13, 2021, 01:30:34 PM »
It is not necessary to have a diode as electronic part for AC rectification. Under certain conditions, the contacts of the cell are capable of  of self- rectifying:
-  cell contacts are made of different metals or metals with different oxide film thicknesses. Some metal oxides, not just aluminum, are capable of rectifying alternating current.
-  even two electrodes with different surface areas conduct alternating current to the electrolyte differently, e.g. needle and rectangle, fine wire and tube

https://simplifier.neocities.org/rectifier.html

http://no3m.net/2016/02/electrolytic-rectifiers/


sometimes electronic circuits are not only constitued to make function "capable" but also long(er)-time working !
Diode and its filtering function !

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« Reply #572 on: May 13, 2021, 05:20:02 PM »
Well, I later came up with a cell with an adjustable distance between parallel stainless steel electrodes. Made from a disposable syringe. The distance can be reduced until it touches.
Did not help. Only boiled water there.  :)
But I want to say, although according to Meyer, the gas output has not turned out so far, only according to Faraday, I came up with many interesting things. 8) ;)
For example, would you got an electrolysis product (according to Faraday,yet) :( using only alternating current of low and high frequency? Removable directly from the secondary winding of the transformer.
Without using any semiconductor or lamp diode. And I have achieved this.


Hi Kolbacit,


As you found out without the blocking diode all that will happen is the water will heat up as you are switching the polarity on the plates back and forth which will cause the water molecules to rub together and create molecular friction. I don't know who this Sergh person is but please don't listen to that advice. The blocking diode must have a high switching speed and the voltage handling capability to survive what we will be throwing at it. A normal diode will not work out all that well as it's switching speed is just too slow. I blew out quite a few diodes before I found some that can take the abuse this technology will put them through.


Everything that I posted must be mimicked as even the waveform must start off with a negative pulse as shown. If it starts off with a positive pulse then the VIC circuit isn't wired up correctly. In Meyer's dot diagram all the dots are positive. This is very important as the primary coil must be wired correctly also to the power supply with the correct polarity. I'm not sure if you took the time to read the pdf file I posted where I go over the actual science behind this technology but what Meyer did is to mimic a thunder storm. The blocking diode is there to ensure there is only one polarity on the plates of the water capacitor. This is what allows us to get at the electrons of the atoms that make up the water molecules and a waveform like I showed will not heat up the water bath as the sum of the energy going through the water capacitor is zero or in reality near zero as I was only able to get the positive and negative to within 20 volts of being equal with the positive voltage 20 volts higher than the negative voltage. Using a analog micro amp meter I measured the amperage flowing through the capacitor to be only 0.6 mA which isn't enough to heat up the water bath.


But in the dot diagram those dots also represent the start of the winding on the bobbin form and as shown they are wired in such a way that the start of the windings go into the end of the of the other coils. Now I went through a lot of testing with the way these transformers can be wired up wiring them up in every way possible until I got the waveform to look correct. At first I used the wrong type of diode which messed up my first attempts to wire these things up correctly but once I got the right type of diode I redid all of the test on how to go about wiring up these transformers to the power supply and the water fuel capacitor and to each coil as it must be wired correctly and I had to cut out all of the BS found on in the many forums I was in at that time. All coils must share the same core or it will not work. The reasons for this I'll leave to all of you to figure out on your own through proper testing and good observations. When I was doing this and learning I left nothing to chance and tested all ways to wire up the VIC circuit. Only two worked but only one gave a negative start to the waveform. In this balance is the key for as stated the positive and negative voltages must be as close to equal as you can get them as that is the primary source of amp restriction.


If you take the time to read Meyer's technical brief and not just look at the pictures you will learn that Meyer always had a positive and negative voltage going to his exciter arrays. In the pictures he'd show just one half of what was being done most of the time but this is allowable in patent law just as long as the written words tell the truth. Most come into this technology thinking it is simple and are lazy so they only take the time to look at the photos and never read the words in the paragraph parts of the technical brief. Those that separated the chokes from the pulsing core were just idiots as they went and made changings to a technology they didn't fully understand and ran with it getting many others to follow their work. But they have all thrown in the towel now leaving me one of the last ones left standing still working on this technology.


This video explains why I use Schottky diodes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXEyCf1P0UU&ab_channel=Afrotechmods


In time I know I will be successful as I have earned it. I went over and beyond in my efforts to get at the science behind this technology as I knew with understanding I could make changes to what Meyer did and yes I have made some changes but with the full understanding of this technology and not just guessing. I know what I am doing and at the moment only need to gain the funds needed to push this technology to the marketplace. These transformers must be built correctly for if they are too weak to power the load you will be placing on them it's not going to work. You have to pick the correct wire sizes, turn counts, turn ratios, and a whole lot more. This was the hardest part of this technology to figure out as it took a lot of money with my trial and error testing to get to where I could reasonably build them correctly and as seen I too will still make some costly mistakes from time to time but I just push on and never throw in the towel. Now only time is what it will require for this technology to be put on the marketplace as sooner or later I will have enough funds to buy the machines I need to finish what I started.


Take care all,
Edward

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #573 on: May 13, 2021, 06:39:02 PM »
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I don't know who this Sergh person is
As far as I understand, you are located territorially, in the same place as me.
He, in general, is not a stupid person, and about his remarks above, rectifying alternating current on an aluminum electrode, I agree.
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This video explains why I use Schottky diodes:
Yes, but I don’t know high voltage Schottky diodes ...
But I figured out where the beggar can get a high-voltage fast diode with a large pulse current. :)
You just need to take a magnetron from a microwave oven and remove the ring magnets from it.

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« Reply #574 on: May 13, 2021, 09:59:42 PM »
As far as I understand, you are located territorially, in the same place as me.
He, in general, is not a stupid person, and about his remarks above, rectifying alternating current on an aluminum electrode, I agree.Yes, but I don’t know high voltage Schottky diodes ...
But I figured out where the beggar can get a high-voltage fast diode with a large pulse current. :)
You just need to take a magnetron from a microwave oven and remove the ring magnets from it.


Since  you agree with his not making use of the blocking diode then trust me you are in the wrong thread as departure from that part of Meyer's technology is to not be doing what Meyer did at all. You either never ran a search for high voltage Schottky diodes or are just messing with me: [size=78%]https://www.mouser.com/Semiconductors/Discrete-Semiconductors/Diodes-Rectifiers/Schottky-Diodes-Rectifiers/_/N-ax1mjZ1yzvvqx?P=1z0z63xZ1yuo617[/size] as there are a lot of them and they even go much higher than this but for my use I found that these work fine as I have never blown one of these up before.


From the looks of it in the way you are trying to solve this technology you might as well quit as failure to do fairly exactly what I am doing will result in failure. You must resin seal the bobbins, soldier the connections correct for high voltage, use high voltage rated wire, have the coating that goes on the wires to be rated for use with high voltage, and then you must wire everything up correctly and use a pulsing circuit that will give the correct waveform you are seeking which I have shown many times in this thread along with why the waveforms must look that way. I'm sorry if things get expensive as those are just some of the hurdles we have to jump over if we are to get this technology up and running correctly.


Remember I have been at this since March of 2006 making use of the scientific method which is a trial and error method by way of eliminating all the wrong ways until the truth is revealed. I didn't have my first real breakthrough until 2012 and since then I have just been learning more and more about this technology as it goes much further than to just be used to run engines with nothing be water in their tanks for fuel. I will do my best to get this technology into the marketplace and attempt to keep the cost for the technology low so that those that need it the most can afford to purchase it. At this point I really don't expect many to be coming out with this technology as I've only found less than a handful that understand enough about the technology to make it work. But still so much work needs to be done as the units I will be making need to be tough and tested thoroughly so that they last at least 10 years without any problems. So the electrical components I choose must go the distance for this technology to be truly viable as well as the way everything is built as it must be built to last.


Like I stated I will try and do my best as the world truly needs this technology right now but they don't need something that will break after a months use.


Take care,
Edward

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #575 on: May 14, 2021, 09:17:57 AM »
high voltage Schottky diodes
but if I read Stanley Meyer's original patent US5149407, Page 19 (6), Line 10:
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/d0/de/ef/9a5c1da561dabd/US5149407.pdf
Stanley Meyer patents this type of diode :
1N1198
"Power Rectifier for general purpose power supply application" 600 V 18 A
https://datasheetspdf.com/pdf-file/532202/AdvancedSemiconductor/1N1198/1
This is ordinary old  rectifier diode.

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« Reply #576 on: May 14, 2021, 04:47:48 PM »
but if I read Stanley Meyer's original patent US5149407, Page 19 (6), Line 10:
https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/d0/de/ef/9a5c1da561dabd/US5149407.pdf
Stanley Meyer patents this type of diode :
1N1198
"Power Rectifier for general purpose power supply application" 600 V 18 A
https://datasheetspdf.com/pdf-file/532202/AdvancedSemiconductor/1N1198/1
This is ordinary old  rectifier diode.






As I stated I know enough about the technology now to upgrade things past where Meyer left off due to his untimely death. I have made several changes and each one of them improved upon the technology as we have things to use now that Meyer didn't as they weren't invented in his time. The Schottky diode is just one of several upgrades I've made to this technology and most of these new upgrades I simply will not talk about as that's all me and it sets me apart from the rest of the folks that are also working on this technology. Remember not a soul has showed voltages being applied to their exciter arrays to match what I showed I was doing back in 2013 at the Global BEM held in Boulder, Colorado. Trust me I am looking for someone to show high voltages to their exciter arrays practically every day and I haven't seen anything in more than 8 years now. People are stuck in the stone ages concerning this technology as far as I can tell as they are still having the water heat up with their work and voltages no where near the ionization threshold for the atoms that make up the water molecules so that they will release their electrons and get the party started.


I'm always looking but never finding and still to this day I have people like you that question my work when it's clear I now seem to stand alone. No one ask any questions towards what I am doing differently than what they are doing and when I give advice people like you show up to tell people to not follow that advice. What a strange world we live in where people say they want this technology but their actions speak otherwise.

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« Reply #577 on: May 14, 2021, 08:13:50 PM »
Ordinary electrolysis begins on the surface of the electrodes with a voltage of about 2 volts between them. What is the required strength of the electric field on the molecule for ordinary electrolysis? On the near-electrode double electric layer of the molecule is also 2 volts. But the molecules are very small. The strength of the electric field for electrolysis is enormous. 5 MILLION VOLTS per ONE MILLIMETER! Impossible reality ..? Is your circuit capable of creating such tension without breakdown?

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At a potential difference of, for example, U = 2 V and a molecular thickness of d = 0.4 nm, the electric field strength is     E =    5000    kV/mm    To compare this figure with values from other capacitor types requires an estimation for electrolytic capacitors, the capacitors with the thinnest dielectric among conventional capacitors. The voltage proof of aluminum oxide, the dielectric layer of aluminum electrolytic capacitors, is approximately 1.4 nm/V. For a 6.3 V capacitor therefore the layer is 8.8 nm. The electric field is 6.3 V/8.8 nm = 716 kV/mm, around 7 times lower than in the double-layer. The field strength of some 5000 kV/mm is unrealizable in conventional capacitors. No conventional dielectric material could prevent charge carrier breakthrough. In a double-layer capacitor the chemical stability of the solvent's molecular bonds prevents breakthrough.[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-layer_capacitance
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_layer_(surface_science)

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #578 on: May 14, 2021, 08:38:54 PM »
Hi Edward,


The fact that your coils make a ringing sound has direct bearing on one of my non-Meyer projects (Star Trek phaser). Normally, I try to repay information with information, but you're so advanced in your field, compared to me, that there's nothing I might say to help you. So I sent a hundred to your go fund me account. Thanks again.


I wish everyone else would try to help a little too. Everyone of us is going to benefit once you get everything sorted out, and have the equipment you need to get the cost down.

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« Reply #579 on: May 14, 2021, 09:17:12 PM »
Since we are talking to one another let me ask you a question. What is your end goal in posting in this thread and/or in talking to me or anyone else about this technology in this thread I made? I mean you've shown no work whatsoever in this field of study but you seem to think you have something to teach me, yes? So, what's your plan?


I'm sure you will find a lot of suckers to fall for your BS as they are always out there looking for ways to cheat their way into this technology so that they can make some cash from it. I'm talking about the people that don't want to get the needed tools for the task at hand and those that simply can't afford to get the stuff they need to be able to effectively work on this technology as this technology isn't on the cheap side to do correctly. Plus all those that come into this technology thinking it's a lie because they can't get any positive results when they spent a little time experimenting with it.


I'd also like you to point out anyone else achieving the same or higher voltages being applied to their water fuel capacitor/exciter array as I am currently doing while the temperatures of the water bath just follows the temperatures of the day, IE, not generating any waste heat as electrolysis does just as eye witnesses spoke about when they viewed Meyer's technology first hand.


You see I haven't the time or desire to waste time dealing with people like you who haven't put in the work, or haven't shown any result of their work to the fine people of this forum. I've already stated that if anyone want's me to listen to what they have to say they must show me they are doing close too or better than I am doing while following the scientific method as if not it's just noise to me that I generally will completely tune out. You see in all the time I have been working on this technology learning the science behind the patents I see less than a handful of people whom also get how this technology works. The vast majority of people who want in on this technology simply aren't willing to put in the time, effort, and finances that is required to get this technology up and running. And of those people some of them get totally frustrated in the results they get and throw in the towel or assume Meyer was a lair and all of this is just a load of BS.


I've went out of my way to give the science part of this technology away but sadly no one out there seems to understand it. So, I push on as I know sooner or later I will save up the funds needed to buy the equipment I need to finish this as I have to cut out as many of the middle men as possible if this technology is to be affordable to the masses.


Shalom,
Edward




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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #580 on: May 14, 2021, 09:34:51 PM »
Hi Edward,


The fact that your coils make a ringing sound has direct bearing on one of my non-Meyer projects (Star Trek phaser). Normally, I try to repay information with information, but you're so advanced in your field, compared to me, that there's nothing I might say to help you. So I sent a hundred to your go fund me account. Thanks again.


I wish everyone else would try to help a little too. Everyone of us is going to benefit once you get everything sorted out, and have the equipment you need to get the cost down.


Thanks so much Jerry,


Of all the people I have seen working on this technology you are perhaps one of the brightest as you seem to grasp the little things like how photosynthesis is related to this technology and how mainstream science completely missed how a plant goes about breaking the bonds of the water molecules. These little things are important and you seem to understand that.
A lot of what I found out about this technology went outside of scientific norms and into areas were they missed a lot of things in their rush to say they knew all there is to know about a subject. To this day I have only found one paper that correctly tells how a thunderstorm works while the rest of the studies on thunderstorms simply get it wrong which is sad as those wrong studies are what is being taught in our schools to our children.


Plus thanks for teaching me what "Bifilar Wrap" means as I never forgot that lesson.


Again thanks so much as right now it is truly needed,


Edward

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« Reply #581 on: May 15, 2021, 12:51:55 AM »
Thanks for the respect, Edward. Coming from you, it means a lot. And congratulations on running such a popular thread!


I'm going to log off at this point and move on. I'll catch up to later, hopefully when I can help to a more meaningful degree.


Best Regards.

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« Reply #582 on: May 15, 2021, 07:55:31 PM »
I am tormented with my tank radio station.
In fact, there are two independent paths for the upper and lower frequency ranges.
But so far unsuccessful, they do not want to work at the same time.
Trying to run them at the same time. In order  to have a difference frequency in a cell.
After all, we can create directly in the cell, any difference frequency of two generators.
You want five kilohertz, you want twelve ...
And if the phases of the two high-frequency oscillations are synchronized, this will not lead to heating of the water, will it?
And at frequencies of tens of megahertz, we can use generally non-contact electrodes. For example, covered with glass or ceramics. :)

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« Reply #583 on: May 15, 2021, 09:42:45 PM »
And at frequencies of tens of megahertz, we can use generally non-contact electrodes. For example, covered with glass or ceramics. :)
You can find industrially produced devices that work on a similar principle.
The name of such devices: High frequency titrimeter; High-frequency titrimetry;
Common name: Conductometry.
 Technical description (in German)

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« Reply #584 on: May 15, 2021, 11:01:32 PM »
I am tormented with my tank radio station.
In fact, there are two independent paths for the upper and lower frequency ranges.
But so far unsuccessful, they do not want to work at the same time.
Trying to run them at the same time. In order  to have a difference frequency in a cell.
After all, we can create directly in the cell, any difference frequency of two generators.
You want five kilohertz, you want twelve ...
And if the phases of the two high-frequency oscillations are synchronized, this will not lead to heating of the water, will it?
And at frequencies of tens of megahertz, we can use generally non-contact electrodes. For example, covered with glass or ceramics. :)





It's hard to answer some of your questions as your understanding of the technology leaves much to be desired. One frequency is aimed at the RLC frequency between the inductor and the capacitor. In the Voltage Intensifier Circuit the capacitor will have a variable capacitance as the dielectric liquid is displaced by gases. So, the more gas produced the lower the WFC's capacitance and the higher the frequency will need to be to maintain resonance.
The other resonance which the gating frequency is being used to tap into is the physical resonance of the outer tube of the WFC. Think of it as a wind chime and then go back and look at Meyer's WFC that was powered by a converted car alternator and you will see something you more than likely never saw before and that is Meyer held the outer tubes at their nodes. Wind chimes are held at their nodes and this technology seems to be no different as these outer tubes also need to be held at their nodes.


Now Meyer didn't have a finished product and was getting ready to build a research center to further study this technology before his untimely death. His injectors as designed would never work as he grounded the isolated circuit to the car's electrical system. So, basically the injectors worked fine on the bench but not so good in the car. If Meyer had just few more months of life I am sure he would have figured that out, but he did plan for variations in the production of the injectors as nothing can be built spot on each and every time there always is a variance or to say ± some value. He solved that with the cone shape of the resonant cavity. You can understand more about this part of this technology from watching this old video: [size=78%]https://youtu.be/DovunOxlY1k?list=FL68IxWWUoBje6VXqK57oDSA[/size] As you can see all of this is related and helps us understand this technology. The cone shape allowed for wider range of frequencies to be able to be used on the resonant cavities. Again this is needs to be done as in the manufacturing process you can never have something built spot on each and every time while mass producing it which is something Meyer seem to understand fully.


And once again the reason why the water never heats up is because the negative and positive energies cancel each other out in a balanced waveform. It does this as the energy sum total for each pulse sent to the transformer will be near equal if the waveform is balanced and the sum of the two energies will be one minus the other. In my setup I will generally have the waveform with the positive voltage being around 5-20 volts higher than the negative voltage. This left over energy after the two energies are summed will pass through the WFC and preform the work of normal electrolysis. But I also shared with everyone that the resulting sum of energy only left 0.6 mA to flow through the water bath which isn't enough to heat up said water bath. This is why the water never gets hot as with the correct waveform that is balanced there isn't any much energy left over after the two energies are summed up. Yes, this is calculus level math but you don't need to understand calculus to understand this as shown in this video: [size=78%]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z01om-Qk2xM[/size]. Now I do understand calculus which is why I was able to see this in the first place as it's just a work problem where the energy totals are being added up.


This is why I posted that picture explaining the "Energy under the curve." But I know this is calculus level stuff so not many will understand it and some just forgot it from their physics classes as who uses this type of math everyday? I don't know about other colleges but just to get into this level of physics in the college I went to we had to be concurrently enrolled in calculus level two as it was a class perquisite for this level of physics. These are all energy sum problems and the area under the curve represents energy be it positive or negative energy and that area shown on the oscilloscope represents current flow. It's kinda easy to see this with normal electrolysis as if you hook up the probes to the cell it will show only the voltage being put into the cell and give just a straight line. All the area from that straight line down to the zero line represent current flowing through the cell. With pulsed DC electrolysis each square wave pulse will look like a rectangle and we all should know how to calculate the area of a rectangle. This is why when I merely just look at someone's waveform I can tell if they are pushing current through the water bath or not. For the most part people show me waveforms that only have a positive pulse and no negative pulse to subtract that energy thus they are pushing current through the water bath and as a result the water will heat up a degree every couple of seconds.


I remember people getting really mad at me for telling them the truth of what their waveforms was actually displaying as they had no real understanding of just how to actually interpret the readings on a oscilloscope but were too proud to admit it. Some even went so far as to actually break a differential probe as it clearly didn't agree with what it was they were telling everyone what was going on when they hadn't a clue how to actually read the device. A tool is only as good as the one making use of it and if the user doesn't know how to use the tool that tool can be of no real use to them. Then you add all of this to not understanding how to perform a circuit analysis which is why most can't understand the true role of the "Blocking Diode." It's role is to ensure that the plates of the capacitors only get the same charge and not reverse the polarity as it would in a AC waveform. One plate is always going to be negative and the other is always going to be positive as that's the true role it is playing acting as an automatic switch to ensure this is always the case. So the waveform looks like a AC waveform but it doesn't behave like one as the polarity on the plates of the capacitor will not be switching back and forth from positive to negative causing the water molecules to switch back and forth resulting in molecular friction.


Oh, almost forgot. The electrodes should never be coated as the water is a physical part of the Voltage Intensifier Circuit (VIC) thus the resonant cavity(s) must be in physical contact with the water for this to work especially in a series cell array. Then you must also think very carefully about trying to add in a coating to the mix as that is adding in yet another dielectric medium. If done the resonant cavity will have two dielectric materials to deal with and for glass or ceramic as you suggested they are non conductive to electricity so if used the water can never be apart of the VIC in the form of resistance. So, that would be a "No" to coating the plates of the resonant cavities.


As you can see the answer to your questions are far more complicated than you thought, yes?


Well, I hope this answers your questions.
Take care,
Edward


And to Sergh, I am going to kindly ask you to stop posting in my thread as clearly you have nothing to add here that is useful to anyone.
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