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Author Topic: Stanley Meyer Explained  (Read 220267 times)

Offline kolbacict

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #450 on: December 24, 2019, 07:52:56 AM »
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Have you considered what frequency Meyers was operating at?
What does your microwave do? ??? ?
I do not know how really was. Open sources say that it is several orders of magnitude less than any resonant activity of a water molecule.
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look up the stephen meyers paper, gas is generated across the whole bath.
And that changes the matter.
 If this, of course, is true. :)

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #451 on: December 25, 2019, 01:31:30 AM »
How many of you have built a Meyers cell to experiment with?


It’s almost Xmas,..... but I might have a little time to
make things that go boom

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #452 on: December 25, 2019, 11:30:39 AM »
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How many of you have built a Meyers cell to experiment with?
Honestly, if exactly according to the documentation, not a single one.
Lacking some materials.
In general, if with my variations, I am working on it.

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #452 on: December 25, 2019, 11:30:39 AM »
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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #453 on: December 25, 2019, 06:00:51 PM »
His “water capacitor” is simply concentric electrodes.
The specific shape he chose was just a work around
to allow gas flow and water to renter the pipes.


This can be facilitated in many ways.


The important thing is the operating voltage (peak)
and the distance between (gap) the electrodes.


A variac or programmable timing circuit or a freq gen.
Will allow you to ‘tune in’ to the freq.
It will be a lower harmonic of (multiple of wavelength) the 2.456 Ghz
[Microwave ovens operate slightly below this value for max performance]
with a modulation and phase shift according to reluctance
and capacitance of the concentric electrode system.
I say system, because the more tubes you add, the greater the
modulation. (parallel arrangements)


This knowledge is not necessary as you can visually observe a change
in gas production as you approach and leave certain frequency based nodes.





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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #454 on: December 25, 2019, 06:04:11 PM »
Be careful with the max V, above a certain potential the water
simply becomes conductive and the electrolysis function breaks down.




On a side note: (concerning where in the tank the gas is formed)
After reviewing photos and footage of the devices,
It is my opinion that gas is being formed between the tubes.
Which agrees with the results of my experiments in the past.
There are some images that show the tank filled with bubbles
or bubbles coming from the bottom of the outer tube and floating
upwards and out into the vessel.
I think this is caused by pressure not by water disassociating outside the circuit.


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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #455 on: December 26, 2019, 06:02:54 PM »
And if Meyer makes low-frequency pauses mechanically, by rotating one electrode?

This is highlighted in yellow.
I came up with this myself! :) ;)

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #456 on: December 26, 2019, 07:37:32 PM »
And if Meyer makes low-frequency pauses mechanically, by rotating one electrode?

This is highlighted in yellow.
I came up with this myself! :) ;)
If you are serious about this technology, you need to do the work yourself. Many well meaning people will unknowingly mislead you. For start do a search "meyer wfc 2.456 Ghz".  I think this is just a product of imagination
As for the usefulness of the 555 circuit from Dave Lawton reminds me of this quote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxzYTDX8bIg By the way I think Dave Lawton's system was a hoax.
As for the tubes, no one has ever satisfactorily explained the reason for the slots cut in each one.

Happy new year

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Offline kolbacict

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #457 on: December 27, 2019, 08:48:21 PM »
That is, do not trust anyone and listen only to your inner voice?lucid dreaming is still a good way. Trying to catch the highest knowledge.

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #458 on: December 27, 2019, 09:26:43 PM »
And the pistol shrimp is just sitting under his rock laughing...


If you think it is imagination, then you should spend a few years
studying water then come back to the table.




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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #459 on: December 28, 2019, 12:01:38 AM »
And the pistol shrimp is just sitting under his rock laughing...


If you think it is imagination, then you should spend a few years
studying water then come back to the table.
We need to stop repeating things we have heard somewhere else. Come to think of it have you ever seen a pistol shrimp?I know a lot about water but unless I can actually physically demonstrate something in person I stay silent.  Still, that is my way.Now which facet of water do you want to know about?  I am happy to share all I know for free! I will be conducting some serious experiments in the coming year.
 

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #460 on: December 28, 2019, 01:23:50 AM »
Well, since we’re talking about the resonance of the  undueterated H2O molecule
This is the aspect I would like to focus on.
Not just the 4.567 GHz that we cook with
Or the 127.89 MHz we use to detect cancer
But also the 25.67 KHz  of sonoluminescence
And the 1.589 KHz deep-ocean resonant vibration of the pistol shrimp.
(the shrimp is an exception to the below due to increased pressure)




We don’t want heat so let’s stay way below that node
We don’t want light, so let’s go below that
But the effect we DO want is in the ultrasonic range in
which light can occur. So not too much lower
And I am using the scientific definition in which the threshold
of atomic vibration occurs (18.7KHz) not the 20K of the human ear.


Now: our effect (Meyers’) can occur at lower frequencies, and so our range overlaps
the ultrasonic and sonic (molecular vibration >18.7kHz) range of sound.
varied by electrode spacing (and sometimes vessel dimensions)
What is this effect? Exactly?
How do we describe this in a manner which satisfies our equation?


Allow me to attempt a translation into normal people thought.


 The physical distance between the electrodes is occupied by a volume of water.
This volume of water is oscillating linearly in a <—> plate to plate direction.
This causes the current graph to take on a shape similar to the voltage graph
but slightly out of phase in the time domain and truncated abruptly below the breakdown V
This is taking into account the capacitance of the cell.


We can assume rigid electrode placement, and therefore the entire cell is moving
in synchronization.
The Electric Field, however, exists in a space that is relatively stationary.
This in effect shorten and lengthens the ionization pathway with each pulse.


1) Pulse
2) plate voltage increases
3) Distance pulse has to travel decreases - discharging the “water capacitor”.
(see why he uses his term?)
4) Pulse truncates
cycle repeats with next pulse.


When the pulse timing is synchronized with the tail of the discharge
the cell will “resonate”, or more accurately:  oscillate with the right timing to
operate at its optimal output.
It is not a true “a/c tank”, but carries many of the same attributes.


The result is increased gas over time.
There is visibly many more bubbles rising in the tank.
Overunity? Hydrogen does this without Meyers
More efficient? Possibly but more accurate test methods are needed.
More gas for the cell size over time? absolutely. (which is what an ICE requires)




you don’t need concentric tubes per say
this is probably the best but if you just want to play with the effect
Set up a 3-plate capacitor. (Fixed plates, not loosely taped inside a bucket)
Center plate 2x area
outer plates connected in parallel.


This arrangement will allow you to adjust plate distances
As you experiment with different frequencies.
You want a DC pulse frequency generator
You can use an a/c signal gen with a square wave bandpass
IF (and big IF) the cut-off time is quick enough for the freq. range.


The freq. nodes you are looking for will double with every 1/8 inch spacing
Amplitude of oscillations is proportional to voltage.


This is NOT just a physical vibration, and that is what is important to understand here.
This is a physical vibration in synchronization with an NMR node and has relativistic implications.
That is why current is phase shifted in the time domain. Lagging the voltage. Like a transformer
or tank circuit capacitor discharge.


This is visible on the scope.


I’m still working on a bench top demo to show you guys but my tubes are made of a
high-resistance  non-magnetic alloy that frankly sucks for this. So I need either new tubes or
some plates I can carefully adjust.
I’ll post it when I have something to actually show you.
I have a lot of projects I’m in the middle of atm...


Hope this info helps you on your journey.






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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #461 on: December 28, 2019, 03:06:35 AM »
In scientific study they will say the ultrasonic vibration “impacted the conductivity”
But it’s a lot more complicated than that.


The phaseshift energy (nucleation energy) is increased.
More so in the solid phase but also for liquid, gas and plasma.
(don’t ask me how to contain plasmatic dihydrogen-monoxide)
The internal energy of the molecule increases, and the PH changes.
it takes more energy to cause the molecule to heat up.
When you send electrical energy into it, instead of it all going to heat
some is used in the ionization and ultimately, the electrolysis.
The change in heat is small to us, not really measurable over electrolysis time.
But the change in gas production is clearly apparent.


What’s important to us is the time varying resistance.
You can plot it by comparing the V and the A over time.
as you approach the nodes you see the 3 graphs look like a 3-phase a/c motor.
an ultrasonic transducer on the outside of the tank can confirm the node by a
signal being picked up.

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #462 on: December 28, 2019, 11:47:48 AM »

Sm0ky2, You do me honor by your detailed reply. It will take me a little time to respond accordingly.

Thankyou

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #463 on: December 28, 2019, 06:15:28 PM »
Meyers rotates the elctrodes but using a third electrode.

Stephen Meyers.

All is well described, there is no reason to make things up anymore.

And I have made the circuit emulator 9 years ago, the time for building men has come, the time for talking boys is over.

Shut your mouths, its all in your mind and utter bullshit, get to work, test the theory of a man who mway have discovered all the secrets.

Exept Kolbacit, he wants to prove to himself something so he's going in his own failing ways.

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Re: Stanley Meyer Explained
« Reply #464 on: December 29, 2019, 12:21:12 AM »
Sm0ky2,
I am still trying to line up my ideas with yours. We have overlaping ideas.  To add to the mix,have you seen this: http://www1.lsbu.ac.uk/water/grotthuss.html ?I don't believe we need to look for a prescribed frequency. Every cell has it's own unique characteristics andtherefore its own "ringing" frequency. P.S. this is just a gut feeling.When I start my experiments I will begin from step 1 which is 2 concentric SS tubes ( seemless ) + water and
straight DC.


 

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