Author Topic: Youtube: Unidirectional force using gyroscopes. (Read 37694 times)

broli · « **on:** March 12, 2009, 01:22:13 AM »

Oke I thought this merited its own thread instead of being hidden somewhere. These videos explain and show simulations of using gyroscopes to produce a constant trust. Basically what he's saying is if precession is caused by a force (gravity) then what if WE induce the precession (by using a motor) will there be an induced force in the direction against gravity for instance? These simulations say yes...

Start by watching the oldest to newest: http://www.youtube.com/user/savata71

Here's the same idea experimented with...

http://www.intalek.com/Index/Projects/SmartSPIN_X2/SmartSPIN_X2.htm

Imagine that last one made to spin at thousands of rpm. It could have flown off. This should definitely be checked out. The answers are in front of us, we just need to move our lazy asses.

craZy · « **Reply #1 on:** March 13, 2009, 01:57:39 AM »

thats fasinating to me. thanks for sharing that find

magpie · « **Reply #2 on:** March 13, 2009, 02:27:03 AM »

I can't believe there is so little interest

This is fantastic and shouldn't even be that difficult to do, I would have a go if I could afford the gyroscopes. The "super precision" high speed (12,000RPM) gyros cost almost $100USD each!
This makes me wonder about Tesla's flying machine, the people who made one said that there did seem to be something happening but it needed much faster speeds. On the blueprints for it there are circular weights on the ends of the rods (washers were used) but I wonder if they are supposed to be gyroscopes.

stprue · « **Reply #3 on:** March 14, 2009, 02:21:51 PM »

I was working on this idea years ago (check out JNLLABS) and where it is very interesting and more than likely possible it is highly inefficient and dangerous. A helicopter is more efficient.

Think of what might happen if 1 of the gyros stopped working or even worse became dislodged, it would destroy the craft instantly.

broli · « **Reply #4 on:** March 14, 2009, 02:37:42 PM »

Yes naudin and others have at least confirmed these designs for over 10 years now. I guess without money you don't get to be part of anything. Btw how is a gyroscope more dangerous than anything that flies. If the helicopters blade breaks off the pilot is pretty much screwed and the people running on the ground too. I doubt this is the reason why we are not flying with these things. Also how is this highly inefficient? The gyroscopes once in motion need very little energy to stay in motion, so for the overall energy you just make a mini generator that is based on the same concept which powers the big gyroscopes. Compare that to the many thousands of parts a jet engine is made of and how brittle it is to anything that comes in it (birds

).

It is all very simple but no support is no fun.

magpie · « **Reply #5 on:** March 14, 2009, 09:20:33 PM »

You know, progress is not made without effort and for the record, helicopters were lethal and unreliable for the first few decades because they had to be developed. Just like everything else. Aviation is inherently dangerous but to get anywhere people had to design and try. Think of how people die driving cars, most things we do involving locomotion involve failures.

Because the Anti-gravity system uses high-speed gyroscopes there is a danger aspect because of the speed, but there is also an inherent balance in the system because of the high-speed rotating mass having a good deal of inertia and therefore stability.

Quote from: stprue on March 14, 2009, 02:21:51 PM

I was working on this idea years ago (check out JNLLABS) and where it is very interesting and more than likely possible it is highly inefficient and dangerous. A helicopter is more efficient.

Think of what might happen if 1 of the gyros stopped working or even worse became dislodged, it would destroy the craft instantly.

magpie · « **Reply #6 on:** March 14, 2009, 09:24:26 PM »

Quote from: broli on March 14, 2009, 02:37:42 PM

It is all very simple but no support is no fun.

@broli

Don't be discouraged, we'll get there. Considering there is now good proof that the system will work it will just take some of us putting time and money(there's the REAL problem) in and once a relatively simple replication is possible the porject will be able to take off.

khabe · « **Reply #7 on:** March 14, 2009, 11:00:54 PM »

hi guys,
Im bit more familiar with helis than common man, also I have developed and built two gyro stabilized platforms,
(wheres speed up to 25k) tried with 2, 3, 4, 6 and 8 units, with and without gimbals ...
Wonder what you are trying - there is no way to get antigravity based on the principles of angular momentum by my opinion.
Of course I have seen these "fllying" contrivances ...drawings, pc simulated ...youtube experiments ... but not any working unit,
Have you seen?
Regards,
khabe

spacetrax · « **Reply #8 on:** March 15, 2009, 06:22:49 AM »

A net force is developed only during acceleration of said devices. Use pulsed power, over and over again.

sushimoto · « **Reply #9 on:** March 15, 2009, 06:52:26 AM »

Quote from: khabe on March 14, 2009, 11:00:54 PM

hi guys,
Im bit more familiar with helis than common man, also I have developed and built two gyro stabilized platforms,
(wheres speed up to 25k) tried with 2, 3, 4, 6 and 8 units, with and without gimbals ...
Wonder what you are trying - there is no way to get antigravity based on the principles of angular momentum by my opinion.
Of course I have seen these "fllying" contrivances ...drawings, pc simulated ...youtube experiments ... but not any working unit,
Have you seen?
Regards,
khabe

Hi Khabe,

... very interesting things are coming up here.

I do have a heli-license and some RC Models too.
And sometimes i go flying with an Ultralight- Gyrocopter...

Germany has simply not enough space and therefore much to much government-regulations for all of this.
No fun. ..... Someday i have to go to australia for living.

A while ago, i was playing with some Quadrokopters.
http://quadrokopter.net/ (... sorry for german language.)

May I ask, in which dimensions you are involved with those kind of things?

Best,
sushimoto

khabe · « **Reply #10 on:** March 15, 2009, 08:55:57 AM »

Quote from: sushimoto on March 15, 2009, 06:52:26 AM

Hi Khabe,

... very interesting things are coming up here.

I do have a heli-license and some RC Models too.
And sometimes i go flying with an Ultralight- Gyrocopter...

Germany has simply not enough space and therefore much to much government-regulations for all of this.
No fun. ..... Someday i have to go to australia for living.

A while ago, i was playing with some Quadrokopters.
http://quadrokopter.net/ (... sorry for german language.)

May I ask, in which dimensions you are involved with those kind of things?

Best,
sushimoto

hi sushimoto,
fully autonomous VTOL UAV 2m, two ready to fly,
one bigger on the half of way,
and of course lot of rc models too - huge lot of

Gruss,
khabe

broli · « **Reply #11 on:** March 15, 2009, 09:04:43 AM »

khabe show me a video of this same setup not running. or stop trolling. What ever you have seen was not meant for anti gravity in the first place. That's like saying...well I have been working with pigs my entire life but I never saw a flying pig. Just because you worked with them doesn't guarantee you seeing a flying pig

. Helicopters don't even come close to these rpm's and are way to heavy so forget about that. The x2 demo lifts (albeit very little) off the scale whenever it's ran, on naudin's site there are numerous confirmation of losing weight WITHOUT gaining weight first like you would have when jumping.

sushimoto · « **Reply #12 on:** March 15, 2009, 09:09:15 AM »

Quote from: khabe on March 15, 2009, 08:55:57 AM

hi sushimoto,
fully autonomous VTOL UAV 2m, two ready to fly,
one bigger on the half of way,
and of course lot of rc models too - huge lot of

Gruss,
khabe

2 Meters UAV? WOW
You must have access to some huge backyard?

Where are you living?

Please mail me pictures. I am so addicted to it. Does whoopy knows about that?

Gruss zurueck,
sushimoto

sushimoto · « **Reply #13 on:** March 15, 2009, 09:11:36 AM »

Quote from: broli on March 15, 2009, 09:04:43 AM

khabe show me a video of this same setup not running. or stop trolling. What ever you have seen was not meant for anti gravity in the first place. That's like saying...well I have been working with pigs my entire life but I never saw a flying pig. Just because you worked with them doesn't guarantee you seeing a flying pig . Helicopters don't even come close to these rpm's and are way to heavy so forget about that. The x2 demo lifts (albeit very little) off the scale whenever it's ran, on naudin's site there are numerous confirmation of losing weight WITHOUT gaining weight first like you would have when jumping.

... he was talking about gyroscopes used in helicopters and "multicopters".for stabilizing their position.

no trolling.

khabe · « **Reply #14 on:** March 15, 2009, 09:42:41 AM »

Quote from: broli on March 15, 2009, 09:04:43 AM

khabe show me a video of this same setup not running. or stop trolling. What ever you have seen was not meant for anti gravity in the first place. That's like saying...well I have been working with pigs my entire life but I never saw a flying pig. Just because you worked with them doesn't guarantee you seeing a flying pig . Helicopters don't even come close to these rpm's and are way to heavy so forget about that. The x2 demo lifts (albeit very little) off the scale whenever it's ran, on naudin's site there are numerous confirmation of losing weight WITHOUT gaining weight first like you would have when jumping.

hi broly,
You know - neve find those videoes exact when needed

But anyway :
50mm diameter Gyro wheel -> 24.000 RPM = the same line-speed when 500mm helicopter rotor makes 2.400 RPM ,
... Right?
... Then angular momentum forces must to be the same

I must to agree with you - gyroscopes are devilishly interesting things,
http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=248021
Regards,
khabe

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