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Tito L. Oracion

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Re: THE WAY OF THE CRYSTAL
« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2009, 02:13:14 AM »
Hi everyone

be careful of wearing some good conductor outside especially when raining you might become a good conductor to lightning!
and its not a joke!




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otits

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Re: THE WAY OF THE CRYSTAL
« Reply #16 on: March 11, 2009, 04:48:27 AM »
Wow look at the attached picture which I took from: http://www.angelfire.com/ak5/energy21/ambientpower.htm
Also note the description below from the same web page, the guy says he has been able to get 27 volts with this design. I'd love to build something like this, will anyone help me build one step by step?:

Subject: Re: [nuenergy] Re: Tate power ambient circuit update Reply-To: nuenergy@yahoogroups.com

Geoff , the reason the power is so low is the capacitors being used. If larger capacitors such as used for power audio systems or the newer super capacitors such as the 50-500 Farad units You will begin to see real power. The schematics shows a great deal of naivety on the part of the Inventor and the issuing Patent Office. The basic idea is 1000% It relates to My Earth Electrical System II from 15 years ago.

from an email recieved from Don L.Smith

and from another experiementer

Hey thanks for improving the information on the Ambient power module you have at your site.

Remember I e-mailed to you recently about the capacitor values missing.

That extra info is quite helpful and using larger capacitors definatly increases power as I have seen in my own tests on my circuit.

Hey another cool thing I found is that if you earth both the earth of the circuit to ground and the other end of the antenna to a separate ground, you increase the power dramaticaly, compared to using a normal antenna and coil. I made a similar coil to the one mentioned on the ambient power web page but it didn't help.

I have tested and found that the power output is greatly related to how large your capacitors are and how well grounded your antenna and circuit grounds are. A metal stake shoved in the ground provides a reasonable ground. But I found that it is much better to get the largest surface area of metal in contact with the ground as possible. I even tryed digging a hole and planting aluminium foil sheets in the ground. That worked quite well. At the moment I am using the earth of the house for the circuit earth and a metal fence for the antenna earth. This is working great.

Note that the ground of the circuit and the antenna gound have to be separate. They cannot be connected in any way other than physical earth.

So far I am using 470uF capacitors and IN60 germanium diodes as they have a low voltage drop and the capacitors collect more current compared to 47uF. I also replaced the 0.2uF capacitors in the original diagram to 47uF capacitors aswell. I also intend to replace them all to much higher capacitor values. Although the mentioned 50-500 farred capacitors on the web site cost a fortune as each one costs $1000+ each and I would need 12 of them.

The first circuit showen on the web page that had the problem with the diode, I fixed and is running quite well. I have included a picture of the fixed circuit in this e-mail as an attatchment if you would like to have a look at it.

If you have a look at the circuit you will see that it is the diode in red that has been fixed. This circuit has been test run with a computer program as well as practicaly. An example output of current and voltage measurements is also included along with a load (The light bulb). Unfortunatly practicly I havn't been able to collect that much current yet. Although I am working on it. But I have been able to get up to 27 volts with this design.

At the moment the circuit runs nicely as a night light although it is probably too bright to be used as I night light. I use an 8000 mcd white LED which is definatly bright. But I know that I will inprove the circuit further and will hopefully be able to power more than just an LED.

Again thanks for updating the Ambient power page. Your doing a great job. Thanks.





Koen1

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Re: THE WAY OF THE CRYSTAL
« Reply #17 on: March 11, 2009, 10:14:24 AM »
Yes, there you go, that's quite a good site about the thing :)

Nice find :)


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Re: THE WAY OF THE CRYSTAL
« Reply #18 on: March 26, 2009, 10:56:01 AM »
Hello FreeEnergy,

Thank you for tracking down this crystal technology for us.  It doesn’t matter that it led to a dead end.  The important thing is that you got off your ass and did something that one day may lead you (and everyone else) to a viable solution!  For this I sincerely thank you.

I just went through the same type of experience recently with this internet company:

http://www.fuellesspower.com/23_Satisfied_Customers.htm

I found this company by reading another thread here in the skeptic section.  The link above is to a company with all kinds of plans for sale and one is a “fuelless” motor.  There is also a “fuelless” heater there too.

Regards,

Joe



http://www.fuellesspower.com/

THEY ARE CROOKS!!!!!!!!!!!!
DO NOT BUY ANYTHING FROM THEM.


devrimogun

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Re: THE WAY OF THE CRYSTAL
« Reply #19 on: March 26, 2009, 11:13:39 AM »
I got an email reply which did NOT sound good at all!!!!!  >:(:

> And this happened many years ago but, if you go on U-Tub and look up
> energy for free or things like that you will see that there are a few
> out now and new ones on the way and the ones from Japan will be the
> best, your Electric Co. now are and have been for years way over
> charging for energy as it is free and reusable and is never depleted,
> but again that is what big money does shafts the little guy, you are
> soon going to see huge changes in everything, and it will all be
> good. Nyal

WHAT THE HELL MAN!?

I guess he has ZERO info on those two inventors.

I did email him back asking if he does not have ANY info on these guys to please let me know.
If not then I'm done with him. And so I'm pretty sure he doesn't have any info by the looks of his reply...

I give up. too bad I can't delete this thread!
sorry to waste your time guys. just ignore this thread.

good bye.


@FreeEnergy

I do not understand your frustration. This thread is much more useful then many other threads.
(Did not even read the rest of page one and page 2 yet.)
Believe me. It makes sense to the people who has experience or knowledge with life energy
(prana, ki, chi). For example I am a pranic healer and it makes perfect sense to me.
We use clear quarz crystals during our healings because their energy body is very large.
For example a clear quarz healing crystal can have an energy body of more then 43 kms wide.

This old man obviously has a lot of intuition as those things that he is saying are absolutely correct:
government bodies are toys for big money
we are as well toys for big money
soon there will be many changes all positive

Piece,
Devrim

pese

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Re: THE WAY OF THE CRYSTAL
« Reply #20 on: March 26, 2009, 11:31:36 AM »
All this cant work to extract some free energy from univers (or radiostations).
As child (60 years ago) i learned from my father (radio-repair-mean) , So i
made experiences enought whole my life , because this was later my proffession...
YOU must not try !
The only way to absorb (robber) energy is, if you are placed directly
some meters (up to 100 / 200 Meters) in near from strong radiostation.
(longwave, Berlin) people in garden-areas. that was directöy under the Antennas have
done this to illuminate there gardens. 1930 . !!


I also have used (1950) this way (as child) to learn, I lived directly in near to MW station
(not more existing)  An i light on an flashlight lamp, i i come in near of the transmitter Antenna (50 Meters)

THIS ENERGY is NOT FREE .
All this that we sucking outside.
WE must POWER this into the Antenna
(I learned and tested this later if i was also constructig smal (later bigger)
transmitters. -Only for fun and learning-

Pese

HERE ANOTHER WAY  ???? :
energy

-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nISNC8TUIUk&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BB9CbAj6y8&feature=channel
« Last Edit: March 26, 2009, 12:40:41 PM by pese »

devrimogun

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Re: THE WAY OF THE CRYSTAL
« Reply #21 on: March 26, 2009, 11:41:47 AM »
Okay, this is actually kind of funny :)

Half of what the guy says is true, the other half is bull.

What he has there is a simple Germanium diode, probably
a verys sensitive low voltage one like the ones used in so-called "crystal radios".
As he describes, in his "crystal necklace" he basically has a circular antenna
connected to the diode, and the other end of the diode to a capacitor, and that
capacitor discharges over a tiny little coil.
This tiny coil, he claims in the video, puts out "the energy" and passes it
into the body of the person wearing the necklace. And this is supposed to heal?

Well, the very basice setup of an antenna, a tuning coil, a capacitor, and a sensitive
diode, is in fact the age-old schematic of a "crystal radio". (aka "foxhole radio")
This type of radio typically uses a very sensitive Germanium diode of the 1N34 or FO125
type, which is extremely sensitive and perfect for isolating or "detecting" radio waves
in the AM (&MW) bands.
A Crystal Radio needs no batteries, it operates on the energy contained in the
carrier wave of the radio signal.
Crystal radios have never been claimed to heal people at all.

It is possible that the maker of the video (and the builder of those necklaces)
has tuned the LC circuit, that is the capacitor and the coil, to a specific
frequency that stimulates "healing" according to the Rife radionics frequency
lists or something like that. The LC circuit can act like a self-oscillator,
depending on the value of the capacitor, the gauge and number of turns and
diameter of the coil, and the amount of charge fed into the coil.
So if that is the case, then he is simply using ambient "radio" (e/m) waves
to charge the capacitor via the diode, then the cap and coil go into
oscillation untill the energy feed becomes too low.

Anyway, YES you can use a similar circuit using germanium crystal diodes
to "capture" energy from the air and charge a capacitor, which can be used
as energy source for small devices or circuits.
The theory can all be found if you study Crystal Radios, but you don't really need to.
You can also try to replicate the "Tate Ambient Power Module";
this is a very simple circuit of 4 Germanium diodes and 4 capacitors,
which acts like a sort of "trap" for electromagnetic fluctuations, and turns any
detectable radio signals into charge on the caps, which can be used as DC
to power small devices.
In theory you could make an even simpler version with 2 diodes and 1 or 2 caps,
but that would not work as nicely... but it would work, just like the "necklace" circuit.
Here is a link to fairly extensive documentation on the Tate APM:
http://www.rexresearch.com/tate/tate.htm
Also, you can search YouTube for a video titled "energy from air", there's one
or two on there that show people's replications of such a TAPM circuit,
and how much volts they're getting from it.

So yeah you were way off in approaching that necklace fellow but in fact
the basic elements he uses to make a crappy little device can be used
in different circuits to actually collect energy from the environment.
Ok, in practise you will most of the time be picking up and rectifying
radio signals from various sources, but in theory you should also
be able to pick up "ground radio" (seismic e/m waves) with it.

Hope that helps? :)

Kind regards,
Koen


@Koen1

Beautifully explained. Tate device is one of the very few free energy devices
that actually work and can easily be replicated.

In the old mans setup would that heal? I am not sure.
It can supply extra energy in the LW/MW frequency to our energy bodies
(you may have heard about the aura, chakras, meridiens etc.)
But I am not sure if that would energise our bodies enough or in a proper way
to stay healthier or stronger. Here, what comes into the equation is the "belief"
If you can make a person believe that you healed them they will be healed
whatever the problem is. I am not going to get into any details here for that but it is so.

That might be the way the necklace effects its wearers or it really energizes the body somehow.

Piece,
Devrim

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Re: THE WAY OF THE CRYSTAL
« Reply #22 on: March 26, 2009, 11:56:17 AM »
depending of how much sterling silver is used in a necklace, it might not be such a big rip off as we might think.

Moreover, do not forget the crystals in the necklace. He is using beads of different crystals
on the upper part of the necklace.

Whats more is that, he is a VERY OLD MAN. Even if he were a crook (he is not)
he deserves some respect as the other things he said can not be said by an ordinary
person. In order for a person to be able to say those he must be highly intuitive.
In order to become intuitive one needs to deserve it with the level of consciousness.

Just show some respect and love to anybody you will always gain from that.
(I am telling this to everyone not one specific person)


Piece,
Devrim









Koen1

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Re: THE WAY OF THE CRYSTAL
« Reply #23 on: March 26, 2009, 03:18:24 PM »
All this cant work to extract some free energy from univers (or radiostations).
As child (60 years ago) i learned from my father (radio-repair-mean) , So i
made experiences enought whole my life , because this was later my proffession...
YOU must not try !
The only way to absorb (robber) energy is, if you are placed directly
some meters (up to 100 / 200 Meters) in near from strong radiostation.
(longwave, Berlin) people in garden-areas. that was directöy under the Antennas have
done this to illuminate there gardens. 1930 . !!

Yes, I know the anecdote, heard it from other sources too.
But then again, those people lived right under those big antennas,
and knew there was power being pumped into those antennas,
so I suppose they simply put 1 and 1 together to make 2,
and decided they could tap some of that power since those
allied radio stations seemed to have enough anyway and they
had too little themselves.
I am not entirely sure if that proves in any way that such diode
arrays cannot do the same with natural e/m waves, so I am
not convinced that it is impossible to get power from such an
array that is not transmitted to it by a manmade radio station,
like you seem to be saying.


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I also have used (1950) this way (as child) to learn, I lived directly in near to MW station
(not more existing)  An i light on an flashlight lamp, i i come in near of the transmitter Antenna (50 Meters)

THIS ENERGY is NOT FREE .
Obviously not. There needs to be a source that produces electromagnetic waves or fluctuations.
But that source need not necessarily be man-made.
Could be "ground radio" as in seismically produced e/m waves.
Could be the "static interference" that is produced by lightning.

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All this that we sucking outside.
WE must POWER this into the Antenna
(I learned and tested this later if i was also constructig smal (later bigger)
transmitters. -Only for fun and learning-
So basically you were experimenting with what... crystal radios first,
then tried some wireless power transmission experiments just like
those "new" wireless charger tests they have recently been doing
to develop phone and laptop battery chargers that are cordless?
Or was you focus more on collecting energy from the environment,
from radio noise and carrier waves?


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Pese

HERE ANOTHER WAY  ???? :
energy

-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nISNC8TUIUk&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BB9CbAj6y8&feature=channel


Can you perhaps give a transcript of the text in English?
I would like to know what they're talking about but unfortunately
can't understand a word of what is said.

Kind regards,
Koen

triffid

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Re: THE WAY OF THE CRYSTAL
« Reply #24 on: July 22, 2012, 02:02:26 AM »
test

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Re: THE WAY OF THE CRYSTAL
« Reply #25 on: July 29, 2012, 04:22:09 AM »
No one has brought up the most abundant crystal in the world = ice
and how it interacts with the earths magnetic field to create a charge in thunderstorms that leads to a lightning discharge.

Can we structure the crystal   ;)