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Stubblefiled & Meucci
« on: March 08, 2009, 05:22:54 AM »
There are statements in here that allude to the answers.

http://www.icehouse.net/john34/stubblefield.html

http://www.icehouse.net/john34/mucci.html

Say what? Current-carrying conductors vibrate more strongly in magnetic fields produced by their own currents ;) ;) :o  :o 8) 8)

He developed strange chemical coatings; using saltwater, graphite, soapstone, wax, muriatic acid, asbestos, sulfur, and various bonding resins to treat wire conductors. Wire lines, specially treated by Meucci, had current rectifying abilities. These absorbed and directed both terrestrial and aerial electricity into the line, a one-way charge valve. Technically what he created is a large surface area diode.( Moray)

Keely made his own wires too. Trexar: superconductive wire.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telluric_current


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« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2009, 12:00:28 PM »
GK
Thankyou for the opportunity to study this and learn

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Re: Stubblefiled & Meucci
« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2009, 12:51:48 PM »
Interesting topic but see the Earth battery topic, we went through all of this and replicated these devices with great success about a year and a half ago. Mine is still running out in my garden and now I am going to hook up the Joule Thief circuit to it to run many many LEDs or 48" long tubes for free.

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Re: Stubblefiled & Meucci
« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2009, 01:44:32 PM »

You might have replicated the battery portion, but that only served to start the process.  I haven't seen anyone replicate what he did as far as power output, and getting the ground to "glow".  It was even stated that his system could at certain times be disconnected from the batteries and still run.  Thrapp also explained this, saying if you used it as a battery in the conventional sense it would act as a galvanic cell and deteriorate after a couple years.  Notice Stubblefield used a motor in conjunction, to serve as the "on" and "off."  Thrapp never did describe how exactly to configure it though..I believe the battery was a sort of pump.  I believe his cell was acting as a antenna in the ground, and when stimulated could increase its effective aperture.

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Re: Stubblefiled & Meucci
« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2009, 01:51:45 PM »
Have a look at this site  which three of us set up on Louis Rota's Universal earth current.
http://www.wikirota.org/en
I personally visited Rota's laboratory and dug up one of Rota's ground antenna or "blocs" as he called them and took it to pieces.
 
The reason why nobody has success these days is that none of this stuff can be done on with "mickey mouse" input powers. Rota (much like Tesla) used high power systems. Rota's earth current excitation used between 2  to 10 KW produced by large induction coils. Look at the size of the cables leading to the buried multi-metallic ground antennas or blocs as he called them, in the photographs. Rota succeeded in injecting thousands of amps of RF into these blocks. He found he could gradually increase the RF current flowing into the blocks over time a process he called "synchronisation" which he attributed to the metal of the blocks become activated or synchronised as he termed it, to the RF excitation.
Stubblefield is supposed to have lighted lamps from his ground probes, and Rota did something similar (the specification for the lamps is on the wikirota site) all these people of that era thought on a huge scale, it was the age of brute force (many Kilowatts of power) like Tesla's experiments. Rota belonged to the same period. At one stage in his youth he studdied  Prof. Righi one of the early pioneers in early radio. Also remember that RF amplification was pretty well non existent.

Rota was employed for a brief period after WW1 by the National  Physical Laboratory in the UK to investigated the "concentration of the rays using the earth as a channelling agent" as a weapon of war, basically to disable aircraft engines.

Mike


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Re: Stubblefiled & Meucci
« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2009, 02:03:41 PM »
@ Freezer:

You are correct in what you stated in your post.  However, remember that we discovered that he was using pitchblende in his garden which ended up poisoning one of his kids?  Pitchblende as you may know is actually uranium ore.  Now, I don't know if this is how he heated his house and lit up the ground on his farm, maybe, maybe not.  I do know that radioactivity would accelerate any output he got from his batteries.

I know you were active on that topic so I won't repeat this stuff to you. Is there more we can learn there? 100% yes to that.  did I or anyone else learn all there is to know about NS?  Heck no!

Witts is a fraud outfit as far as my research goes, and I have done a lot.  If you don't agree, then we can agree to disagree.  I have seen a lot of your work on many different topics and I have nothing but total respect for it.  So please don't take my disagreement with you the wrong way.  could I be wrong?  Of course!  actually, it has happened before.... ha ha. (more than a few times)

I am all about learning all that we can about all of this stuff.

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Re: Stubblefiled & Meucci
« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2009, 04:51:38 PM »

Yes, it's sad what happened to his son.  I believe he might have done this to get a bit more energy from the cell in the galvanic sense, although I don't believe this is where he gathered his overall power.  Back to the old saying, "transmit in order to receive."  Somewhere down the line energy was drawn into the circuit through the ground or the air.  I think the motor seems related to what tesla was doing, specifically the "apparatus for the utilization of radiant energy" patent.  Tesla also included a motor in one of the configurations.  I think this served as the on and off, for tuning.

I haven't done any type of digging as for Thrapps credibility, although he does seem to know a lot about Stubblefield and other such devices which use this other type of energy.  Could be that he's trying to make a quick buck off this knowledge, I don't know.

Check this link out, and see if it might relate.  I found it pretty interesting.
http://www.amasci.com/tesla/tesceive.html



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Re: Stubblefiled & Meucci
« Reply #7 on: March 09, 2009, 04:09:06 AM »
I reposted this thread to jog memories and it to bring to the foreground. Remember the good days 2 years ago when threads were few before the OU crash?

We have created the forest out of the trees.  :)

A different pattern just crossed mind. We can put a propeller in moving water or moving air and it spins. I see the same pick up or reception by sticking metal in the ground. As the currents go past we can collect. Tesla stuck resonant tanks in the ground. The ground level is a dividing place between 2 earth energies. Air and ground. It's late. I think I sound abit mundane.

great link there @Freezer.

In all of Thrapp's demos there are areas for hidden things. Maybe that is on purpose and he does have something. He has all the right parts, energies, and speak.

--giantkiller
« Last Edit: March 09, 2009, 04:37:23 AM by giantkiller »

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Re: Stubblefiled & Meucci
« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2009, 11:11:53 AM »
The presence of pitchblend in Stubblefield's experiments is interesting. In 2002 I did this experiment with thorium oxide (alpha emitter) doped galena, essentially to see if the idea that Moray used radioactivity in his experiments had any substance. It might apply to Stubblefield as well.

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Extract of email I sent to Stefan Hartmann in 2002

After reading Moreland patent application US 2003/007605 repeating Thomas Moray's well known effect, which is essentially RF stimulated radioactivity, also the suggestion that the Testatika might use similar high voltage stimulation applied to "certain crystals" yielding high output power, I have done one or two preliminary experiments.
I made some artificial galena doped with thorium oxide made from radioactive gas mantles. Firstly it seems that the effect of the thorium doping is as far as I can tell is to reduce the turn on voltage from about 0.25 V to practically zero. The crystal receiver consisted of an aerial and earth with a coil tuned by a ferrite rod between. A pair of 2000 ohm headphones and artificial galena and catswhisker where connected in parallel across the coil. The tuning was fairly flat due to the loading. The output from medium wave broadcast stations was a considerably louder with the artificial galena than with natural galena, probably due to the smaller stand-off voltage in the doped version. However reducing the phone resistance to a 120 ohm pair did not change either the signal volume or tuning selectivity. Finally I reduced the headphone resistance by replacing them with an 8 ohm min speaker 5 cms diameter. The signal volume was slightly reduced but the selectivity remained much the same. This is strange because if the impedance of the crystal detector is considerably more than 8 ohms the signal would be much reduced in the 8 ohm speaker. If the impedance of the crystal detector is low, so that a respectable signal can appear in the 8 ohm speaker as was the case, then why was not the selectivity of the tuned circuit killed more or less completely. One explanation might be that the thorium doped galena was injecting energy into the tuned circuit i.e negative resistance, as occurs with tunnel diodes for example. In this case the radioactivity providing the power. Putting two thorium doped diodes in series increased the gain more.

end of quote.

Other experiments confirm that despite conventional views to the contrary radioactivity decay can be augmented/diminished in sympathy with a suitable RF signal, effectively injecting energy in sympathy with the RF signal. There are many patents around which suggest others have discovered this as well.

Mike.

   



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« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2009, 08:05:52 PM »

 Thomas Moray's well known effect, which is essentially RF stimulated radioactivity,

Mike.


Nooo no no no, that is just assumed by many.
Moray used a radioactive DETECTOR.

The radioactivity was not the source of the recieved energy.
I know we can stimulate decay with RF but Moray was a diffrent story....
If you, Mike think it was the radioactive stone he found in the railway wagon that came from the mine, then explain to me why Moray used the long antenna that was spun over a lake for better reflection and the deep ground connection?

M.

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Re: Stubblefiled & Meucci
« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2009, 04:17:06 AM »
Hans posted this a while back on the earth battery topic.  I believe it is a small piece of radioactive material exciting a coil that lights an incandescent bulb.  I believe the article said it would run for a very, very long time.

Bill    ***EDIT***  Sory about the small wording.  if you save this photo and blow it up you can read it easily.  i did not want to post it in a very large size here.

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« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2009, 10:04:10 AM »
@Marco, I am not so sure that Moray did not use RF stimulated radioactivity to get power. See for example Moreland's  US patent application 20030076005 "Method and Apparatus to Enhance Electric Currents" April 2004.
also see the attached.

Mike

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Re: Stubblefiled & Meucci
« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2009, 10:59:13 PM »
@Pirate88179
Where can I find a better quality picture?
The radioactive source says _214
Can't read the first part but Th-214 is used for Thorated Tungsten welding rods.
So this may be  just a piece of Throated tungsten welding rod in a glass tube.
When left for a while in an enclosed tube like this the tube will slowly fill with Radon gas (Ra-210).
If this is the case then anyone on this forum should be able to replicate this device quite easily.
Anyone can purchase Th. Tungsten welding rods at the local welding supply store.

Here is the info on Thorium-214:

 90-Th-214

    * Atomic Mass: 214.0114510 ± 0.0001000 amu
    * Excess Mass: 10666.000 ± 94.000 keV
    * Binding Energy: 1646185.000 ± 94.000 keV
    * Beta Decay Energy: B- -8652.000 ± 215.000 keV

    * Spin: 0+
    * Half life: 100 MS ( 25.0000 % )
    * Mode of decay: Alpha to Ra-210
          o Decay energy: 7.826 MeV
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      Possible parent nuclides:
          Alpha from U-218

I suggest getting a Th.Tungsten welding rod and wrapping some wire around it then place the whole rod and coil into a plastic straw.
Seal the two ends with glue gun glue so only the ends of the wire stick out.
Then wrap another coil around the outside of the straw.
Simple experimental setup to see if this produces significant amounts of power.
We will need to know the NMR frequency of Th-214 to know what value of capacitor is needed for the big white one.
The coil and capacitor need to resonate at the right frequency.
Maybe someone can research the proper frequency needed.

I knew those Th.Tungsten rods I bought for the carbon rod device would come in handy someday.  ;D

« Last Edit: March 11, 2009, 11:53:50 PM by AbbaRue »

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Re: Stubblefiled & Meucci
« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2009, 12:32:52 AM »
After taking a closer look it appears to be U-238 and not Th-214.
But in any case I still plan on trying this one out with the Th.Tungsten rod.

Also found a sight with closeup pictures of the unit.
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Resonant_Nuclear_Reactor
« Last Edit: March 12, 2009, 06:18:22 AM by AbbaRue »

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Re: Stubblefiled & Meucci
« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2009, 12:40:45 AM »
Didn't Beddini use welding rods?

Please read this information for your own safety with regards working with Thorium:

http://files.aws.org/technical/facts/FACT-27.PDF

also

http://www.orau.org/PTP/collection/consumer%20products/weldingrod.htm
« Last Edit: March 12, 2009, 01:30:57 AM by AhuraMazda »

 

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