Author Topic: First electrical power output from a Pyramid (Read 550811 times)

georgemay · « **Reply #840 on:** December 31, 2007, 03:26:28 PM »

Quote from: Walter Hofmann on December 31, 2007, 11:24:36 AM

Hi george,
this is what I did first outside the pyramide but there was no charge at all.
greetings
walt

Hi Walter,
It looks to me that it acted exactly like battery I had for some time in the pyramid.
I remember that TT was explicitly saying that to much of salt water is no good. When I was injecting salt water, in the beginning it was going in easy. Then at some point sand was saturated and I had difficulties to inject more. Since I haven't seen it come out through the other hole I kept injecting. Then I saw a drop forming on the other side. At that moment I stopped. Now I am reassembling collector and what I found out my entire sand is saturated real well with salt water. That might be bad. It took me about 15 minutes to see that drop forming on the other side. I might rushed to much to inject the salt water. This time I am planning to get it really slow and easy.
I want to hear others experience with it.
George

neptune · « **Reply #841 on:** December 31, 2007, 05:01:40 PM »

@georgemay. I think tat the level of saltwater is a real problem. I think that TTs method gives unpredictable results, due to capillary action. Experiments with a glass U-tube might allow you to work out the exact quantity of saltwater to fill a given U-tube to a certain level. I asume that TT did not do that , so no one, including TT knows exactly what level he filled his tube to. Perhaps the answer is to have some method to feed in the saltwater at very low pressure by gravity, so it takes maybe 2 hours to fill. This is definitely one area where we are fighting in the dark. TT seems to say that if too much saltwater is injected, it will drain out in time.
@ Pese. Please give a short translation of your last post

magpower · « **Reply #842 on:** December 31, 2007, 06:11:32 PM »

Been busy trying things out and give you all a update. First of all I
tried many times using TT diagram and still no real output or not a
sign. So yesterday filled the U tube full of sand and same results.Nothing

Then thought about testing each part out, so cut 2 copper tubes again
130mm long and cap one end.

1. 120mm, 4B, 14ohms. Filled with sand and put a certain amount of
water/salt, the voltage went up very fast to .5v

2. 120mm, H1, 58ohms. Same thing and this one climbed very slowly and
got to about .4v.

So having said this I drew out TT ckt on paper and really to me does
not make sense. My thought is really its 2 small wet battery cells
with a open ground, copper U. The top of the graphic rods are positive
but not a complete ckt. Thomas please explain!

So re wired it as a L/C tank ckt, meaning cap and 2 coils on each side
in parallel and also batterys, and outside U tube is now connected to
frame. Then last night is was jumping around 85mv and and down and I
keeped touching U tube, then volt meter locked in at 86mv and climbed
up to .128v right now. So I think the pyramide has charged the cells
to this voltage, and did check this and both right and left are .128 each.

Today maybe want to refill U tube and not to top this time. I might
get flamed for going and changing TT ckt but until he comes forward I
will keep trying this out. Not to say this is right but we have never
seem a V6 work just V4. So who knows. Just everyone should follow V6
first and then try something else.

Happy New Year
Wayne

georgemay · « **Reply #843 on:** December 31, 2007, 06:36:53 PM »

Magpower,
If you rotate pyramid slowly can you see a drop or increase in voltage? If power fluctuates then pyramid is doing its work. Orient the pyramid to its highest output and wait few hours. You might be real close to success.
George

magpower · « **Reply #844 on:** December 31, 2007, 07:04:01 PM »

Just found out another little thing. Right now I took out left coil, so just right side in coil and center cap. Now the output on left graphic rod is only hooked to volt meter and climbing right now to .138volts and going up. I won't rotate nothing yet, just will watch it. I think 2 coils might be loading the L/C ckt to much. I don't know but this is best I have got so far, just hope for new years I get zapped off it.

duff · « **Reply #845 on:** December 31, 2007, 07:08:53 PM »

@magpower

I have few suggestions.

Looking at some of your previous pictures (don't know if you current setup is the same), you have would both coils in the same direction and they should be opposing.

Also, try changing the wire size to #10 (2.5 mm), and give it an inner diameter of 25mm rather than winding it directly on the tubing.

Thanks for the update

-Duff

magpower · « **Reply #846 on:** December 31, 2007, 07:23:58 PM »

Duff

Thats an old picture and still trying to find my camera. But have it exactly this way as you describe. Off to work and at .145volts and climbing. We see later? seems to be charging

Walter Hofmann · « **Reply #847 on:** December 31, 2007, 10:45:06 PM »

OK guys here we are,
today I did put a rewind coil in the setup and connected the whole thing back to the description from TT and I tell you there is no output at all it jumps to 0.007V and thats it. I even did finish the big capacitor and put him in no change.
I also did clean out the whole thing and started new, nothing again.
now can anybody tell me what is wrong on this picture, the old coil version did bring up something even if it was not to much, the recommended version where many believed is the only what works does not work at all. the latest change with the parts from V6 but connected like V4 ( at leasdt as far as I can identify) did charge a 1 farad booster cap up to 0.845V.
now I am very courious what happen when I have finished the V4 version and put them to the test.
Now answering some question about the setup what charged the booster cap: the strange thing was that only the lower plate contact was connected the other did float ( nothing connected at all).
the whole copper pipe U frame is just floating no connection to anythings at all here too.
the pyramide is only closed on three sides because if V4 real it was open on one side too and did bring the power to run the fan.

what I also found out by dismanteling the V6 version was that at the point of filling where the small hole is on ether side is a empty space between the bottom U and the vertical pipes where the graphite rods are it is about 1/8 inch where no sand is what means no connection between the bottom and the verticals this is due to the way how the sand should be filled in like TT described it should be loosly filled in now when the saltwater is injected the bottom portion denses and the moisture from there climbe's up the pipe wll and saturate the bottom portion of the vertical pipe sand where the bottom portion shrinks more and more and builds this empty space.
thats so far my expirience. I will report how V4 works out.
greetigns
walt

skywatcher · « **Reply #848 on:** January 01, 2008, 12:06:39 AM »

Quote from: Walter Hofmann on December 31, 2007, 10:45:06 PM

today I did put a rewind coil in the setup and connected the whole thing back to the description from TT and I tell you there is no output at all it jumps to 0.007V and thats it. I even did finish the big capacitor and put him in no change.
I also did clean out the whole thing and started new, nothing again.
now can anybody tell me what is wrong on this picture, the old coil version did bring up something even if it was not to much, the recommended version where many believed is the only what works does not work at all.

Hmmm...

This is very strange, but it clearly shows that we have a real (unknown) effect, because if it would be only galvanic effects or something like that, these effects don't care at all about the direction of the coils.

Hopefully i will finish my setup tomorrow, then i can start my own experiments.

Quote

the latest change with the parts from V6 but connected like V4 ( at leasdt as far as I can identify) did charge a 1 farad booster cap up to 0.845V.

Yesterday we talked about using a second cap and you said the booster caps are very expensive.
You could also use Gold Caps. They also have very high capacities, but are much smaller and very cheap, compared to the booster caps.
The Gold Caps have lower maximum voltages, but i think at the moment the typical 5V are more than sufficient.

blubbino · « **Reply #849 on:** January 01, 2008, 12:28:23 AM »

Happy new year, Guys

pese · « **Reply #850 on:** January 01, 2008, 11:19:16 AM »

It shown like:

IF the output Vortage are different , so
so cil is CW
and CCW turned ...

so that experiment say , some "thing" inside the
device is working , that is NOT to explain
with "galanic cell".
Pese

Walter Hofmann · « **Reply #851 on:** January 01, 2008, 12:04:41 PM »

Hi all ,
the first coils was both wound CW and this brought some good results, after all said that the reason that I can not get more then the max 0.845V is that the are both the same direction, I wound a new one with CCW direction and put it in the same setup like before and it brought nothing more then ).007V.
overall the results from the old set up has nothing to do with galvanic cell because if a galvanic cell would be involved the negative pool ( the copper pipe frame ) had to be connected to the negative pool of the pyramide or at least to the negative of the DVM.
today I will finiosh the V4 version and will see what is going on here.
greetigns
walt

Quote from: pese on January 01, 2008, 11:19:16 AM

It shown like:

IF the output Vortage are different , so
so cil is CW
and CCW turned ...

so that experiment say , some "thing" inside the
device is working , that is NOT to explain
with "galanic cell".
Pese

Walter Hofmann · « **Reply #852 on:** January 01, 2008, 12:11:50 PM »

hi all
I need to correct the portion with the plate connection, because I believe this is verry importand.
what was connected to the middle capacitor was only one connector was connected the other one did float or better not connected to anyhtings at all.
what would mean the middle cap works not as a capacitor more like a antenna, if this is true then the whole thinking of the setup changes totally
greetings
walt

Quote from: Walter Hofmann on December 31, 2007, 10:45:06 PM

OK guys here we are,
today I did put a rewind coil in the setup and connected the whole thing back to the description from TT and I tell you there is no output at all it jumps to 0.007V and thats it. I even did finish the big capacitor and put him in no change.
I also did clean out the whole thing and started new, nothing again.
now can anybody tell me what is wrong on this picture, the old coil version did bring up something even if it was not to much, the recommended version where many believed is the only what works does not work at all. the latest change with the parts from V6 but connected like V4 ( at leasdt as far as I can identify) did charge a 1 farad booster cap up to 0.845V.
now I am very courious what happen when I have finished the V4 version and put them to the test.
Now answering some question about the setup what charged the booster cap: the strange thing was that only the lower plate contact was connected the other did float ( nothing connected at all).
the whole copper pipe U frame is just floating no connection to anythings at all here too.
the pyramide is only closed on three sides because if V4 real it was open on one side too and did bring the power to run the fan.

what I also found out by dismanteling the V6 version was that at the point of filling where the small hole is on ether side is a empty space between the bottom U and the vertical pipes where the graphite rods are it is about 1/8 inch where no sand is what means no connection between the bottom and the verticals this is due to the way how the sand should be filled in like TT described it should be loosly filled in now when the saltwater is injected the bottom portion denses and the moisture from there climbe's up the pipe wll and saturate the bottom portion of the vertical pipe sand where the bottom portion shrinks more and more and builds this empty space.
thats so far my expirience. I will report how V4 works out.
greetigns
walt

Walter Hofmann · « **Reply #853 on:** January 01, 2008, 12:21:28 PM »

Hi skywatcher,
I am realy courious what you find out with your setup.
I regards to the cap I had finished yesterday the original endcap and had connected it but the whole setup did not work at all after changing the one coil winding direction.
greetings
walt

Quote from: skywatcher on January 01, 2008, 12:06:39 AM

Quote from: Walter Hofmann on December 31, 2007, 10:45:06 PM
today I did put a rewind coil in the setup and connected the whole thing back to the description from TT and I tell you there is no output at all it jumps to 0.007V and thats it. I even did finish the big capacitor and put him in no change.
I also did clean out the whole thing and started new, nothing again.
now can anybody tell me what is wrong on this picture, the old coil version did bring up something even if it was not to much, the recommended version where many believed is the only what works does not work at all.

Hmmm... This is very strange, but it clearly shows that we have a real (unknown) effect, because if it would be only galvanic effects or something like that, these effects don't care at all about the direction of the coils.

Hopefully i will finish my setup tomorrow, then i can start my own experiments.

Quote
the latest change with the parts from V6 but connected like V4 ( at leasdt as far as I can identify) did charge a 1 farad booster cap up to 0.845V.

Yesterday we talked about using a second cap and you said the booster caps are very expensive.
You could also use Gold Caps. They also have very high capacities, but are much smaller and very cheap, compared to the booster caps.
The Gold Caps have lower maximum voltages, but i think at the moment the typical 5V are more than sufficient.

Walter Hofmann · « **Reply #854 on:** January 01, 2008, 12:25:47 PM »

Hi duff,
did you read my post in regards to changing the coil winding direction? Till anybody comes up with results from a setup where the coils wind in oposed direction ( because the most who reported here and have the right coil direction reporting that they have nothing) I sai this is exactly what does not work. maybe I am wrong but my test prove's otherwise till now.
greetings
walt

Quote from: duff on December 31, 2007, 07:08:53 PM

@magpower

I have few suggestions.

Looking at some of your previous pictures (don't know if you current setup is the same), you have would both coils in the same direction and they should be opposing.

Also, try changing the wire size to #10 (2.5 mm), and give it an inner diameter of 25mm rather than winding it directly on the tubing.

Thanks for the update

-Duff

News:

User Menu

Author Topic: First electrical power output from a Pyramid (Read 550811 times)

georgemay

Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid

neptune

Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid

magpower

Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid

georgemay

Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid

magpower

Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid

duff

Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid

magpower

Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid

Walter Hofmann

Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid

skywatcher

Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid

blubbino

Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid

pese

Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid

Walter Hofmann

Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid

Walter Hofmann

Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid

Walter Hofmann

Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid

Walter Hofmann

Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid