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Walter Hofmann

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #795 on: December 29, 2007, 10:09:11 PM »
hi spacetrax,
you are probably right that the magnet does not count for mutch, thats why I only did this as a favor and for fun.
in regards to the grounding TT says in one of the first posts that he only grounded the pyramid for security reason and in the video the pyramide is not grounded ether. I will seee what the big capacitor has to do.
greetings
walt


Hi,
I still don?t believe that the magnet plays an important role in this setup. OK, the voltage rises, but this doesn?t mean that it will produce some amperage...
Walt, you should put a load on the output, and also connect the long 2-plate-capacitor before you can get some decent output, I guess...unless the long capacitor was also a kind of a trick, meant to hide the real principle.
The fact that the voltage sharply decreases when the pyramid is earthed is quite mind-boggling. Normally the earth should provide the pyramid with some free electrons, but in this case it seems to act like a deep throat  >:(, swallowing all the energy the pyramid produces...
It?s a pitty that TT does not say anything anymore. Actually I believe now that he never wanted to disclose the principle.
BUT we can reinvent the wheel  ;) 

Cheers,
Spacetrax

georgemay

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #796 on: December 29, 2007, 10:11:20 PM »
nice work.
but there will be a probleme if this works as a cpacitor then the value would be different because the plate area counts.
greetings
walt


Walter, I believe only overlapping area counts, not the whole area
see http://deepfriedneon.com/tesla_f_calccap.html

Walter Hofmann

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #797 on: December 29, 2007, 10:34:08 PM »
Hi guys,
with all the partially confusing post what TT said or posted I was going over the first couple post of him and there ar a few major comments:
1. as allreadfy posted he said the grounding of the pyramide was just a security measurement
2. he said that  "he dont know why version V 5 doesnt work even if version four ( see video) works perfect now who says version V6 or version V 12 did or will work?
3. I examine the high res picture from the video about the converter and there are major difference like a few have allready figure out:
the two rods inside the vertical pipes are direcktly connected over 1 turn on the top , then it goes down as insulated wire between the plates and it doesnt seam to be connected to the plates ( no soldering to see)this end is direct connected to the small coil and this one is directly connected to the big coil and then to the connector copper strip on to the big plates cap. the left side is a bit fuzzy but if I see it right then a wire from the middle cap goes to the connector to the big plate cap too.
what means to me: the rods are coupled over a 1 turn coil , the two coils are in serie  and what is sure is that one connection of the cap goes directly to the output cap ev. but not sure the midle caps is like paralell with the coils.
I will try this original setup first the copper pipe frame is much bigger, the two coil are 5 turn and 20 turns the middle capacitor has a size of 45 X 75mm and only three plates.
if anythings works at all then this one has to.
greetings
walt

skywatcher

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #798 on: December 29, 2007, 11:19:13 PM »
nice work.
but there will be a probleme if this works as a cpacitor then the value would be different because the plate area counts.

You mean because of the additional area of the L-shaped plates ?

The additional area doesn't count because on every side in this area only plates of the same polarity are present.
Additionally, the additional area is very small compared to the main area of the plates.

The spacing between the plates is 1 mm, as specified. The main area of the plates is 35 mm x 70 mm, as specified.
Only the thickness of the plates is 0.5 mm, but this doesn't have any effect regarding capacity.

Generally, i don't think that the actual values of any measurement is really important for the function. If this would be the case, the chance for TT to find this values by chance only by experimenting would be virtually zero. If it works, it also works with different measurements and proportions, maybe with slightly reduced output, but it would work. Even TT confirmed this in the discussion how to measure the height of the pyramid frame.

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #799 on: December 30, 2007, 12:07:54 AM »

Fri Dec 14, 2007 - Thomas states: "I found out, that there are some guys posting to my descriptions absolutely false details. This is not because they are stupid, this is because they want to prevent success."

It appears nobody has bothered to track down who he might be referring to and where you have been lead astray but YOU HAVE TAKEN A WRONG TURN.

I need to be clear about somethings though I know it is going to ruffle some feathers.

In most cases YOU CAN NOT CHANGE ANYTHING  IN AN REPLICATION ATTEMPT!

MOST OF YOU STILL DON'T GET IT!!!

Though something looks like a capacitor it doesn't mean that that's how it functioning in this device. It's size and shape in its environment counts.

You can't take T-Fittings and change the way they are oriented in a device and expect to have the same device.

You can't change wire sizes, etc.... and the list goes on....

NOTHING SHOULD BE CHANGED IN A REPLICATION

Thomas gave us a white paper on the V6. This is much more precise information than existed when  this thread was started. Why is it that you CANNOT simply follow a design specification that has been given to you?

There may appear to be gray areas in that paper but if you follow the instruction in the ORDER that  he laid it out, in most cases, you arrive at only one logical conclusion as to what he meant.



Now, the above has nothing to do with the QUOTE.

You guys can go ahead as if nothing has happened but you HAVE MADE A WRONG TURN.

This is basically Thomas's statement not mine. You can not ignore this and expect to come up with a working device.

I think I know when it occurred and what it was but I'm not going to state it here. Why?

Because if I were wrong then I'd be leading you down a wrong path.

Go back and read prior to DEC 14.

I believe it is a major misinterpretation of construction of the device and what he stated in the V6 plan.

As I stated in a post a while back - Don't ask someone else in the forum how to construct this device. You need to read, understand and follow Thomas's instructions. Then test your device and share your constructions details so we can all learn and move forward with this.


I believe 100% that Thomas gave us enough information to replicate this and if your device does not work then YOU MUST HAVE CHANGED SOMETHING.





Walter Hofmann

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #800 on: December 30, 2007, 12:31:37 AM »
Hi duff,
very nice defense. I agree with you totally in regards to changinmg anythings on a replica, but what should be replicated????? V6 ??? there was never a actual result given by TT nor any picture or values, WOW.
like mentioned before I did build after the  what you call "white paper" and did not see what I should , "what should I see"????
after not seeing the results expected I started carefully to change some portion and I believe I am right because now slowly I see some resluts even if it is just less.
I believe thats the way how any new ( or very old) discovery can be replicated  during testing and understand what is happen when.
greetings
walt



Fri Dec 14, 2007 - Thomas states: "I found out, that there are some guys posting to my descriptions absolutely false details. This is not because they are stupid, this is because they want to prevent success."

It appears nobody has bothered to track down who he might be referring to and where you have been lead astray but YOU HAVE TAKEN A WRONG TURN.

I need to be clear about somethings though I know it is going to ruffle some feathers.

In most cases YOU CAN NOT CHANGE ANYTHING  IN AN REPLICATION ATTEMPT!

MOST OF YOU STILL DON'T GET IT!!!

Though something looks like a capacitor it doesn't mean that that's how it functioning in this device. It's size and shape in its environment counts.

You can't take T-Fittings and change the way they are oriented in a device and expect to have the same device.

You can't change wire sizes, etc.... and the list goes on....

NOTHING SHOULD BE CHANGED IN A REPLICATION

Thomas gave us a white paper on the V6. This is much more precise information than existed when  this thread was started. Why is it that you CANNOT simply follow a design specification that has been given to you?

There may appear to be gray areas in that paper but if you follow the instruction in the ORDER that  he laid it out, in most cases, you arrive at only one logical conclusion as to what he meant.



Now, the above has nothing to do with the QUOTE.

You guys can go ahead as if nothing has happened but you HAVE MADE A WRONG TURN.

This is basically Thomas's statement not mine. You can not ignore this and expect to come up with a working device.

I think I know when it occurred and what it was but I'm not going to state it here. Why?

Because if I were wrong then I'd be leading you down a wrong path.

Go back and read prior to DEC 14.

I believe it is a major misinterpretation of construction of the device and what he stated in the V6 plan.

As I stated in a post a while back - Don't ask someone else in the forum how to construct this device. You need to read, understand and follow Thomas's instructions. Then test your device and share your constructions details so we can all learn and move forward with this.


I believe 100% that Thomas gave us enough information to replicate this and if your device does not work then YOU MUST HAVE CHANGED SOMETHING.






skywatcher

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #801 on: December 30, 2007, 12:41:53 AM »
Here we go with the basic mechanics of the converter.   ;D

The 4 mm polystyrol plates with the capacitor built-in between them fit almost perfectly around the 12 mm copper tubes. 

The converter can easily be disassembled because the upper junctions are not soldered.
I have drilled 10 mm holes on the upper side to get good access to the contact points of the graphite rods, while maintaining the original construction with the wires leaving the converter to the left and right side. The holes can easily be closed by putting copper foil above them and fixing it with tape.

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #802 on: December 30, 2007, 01:22:33 AM »
Hi duff,
very nice defense. I agree with you totally in regards to changinmg anythings on a replica, but what should be replicated????? V6 ??? there was never a actual result given by TT nor any picture or values, WOW.
like mentioned before I did build after the  what you call "white paper" and did not see what I should , "what should I see"????
after not seeing the results expected I started carefully to change some portion and I believe I am right because now slowly I see some resluts even if it is just less.
I believe thats the way how any new ( or very old) discovery can be replicated  during testing and understand what is happen when.
greetings
walt


Hi Walter,

I think that the most complete instructions are for the V6 and therefore what we should try to replicate. Thomas thought by releasing that information he was protecting himself. So surely it is correct.

If yours did not work then you must have interpreted something wrong.

Please go back and read the discussion several days before Dec 14.

Kind Regards,


-Duff


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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #803 on: December 30, 2007, 04:00:49 AM »

@skywatcher

Very nice construction - I especially like your innovative capacitor design.

I hope it works...

Oh, and I really appreciated you helping me out with the angles on the apex sometime back.

Thanks,

-Duff

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #804 on: December 30, 2007, 10:51:26 AM »

Fri Dec 14, 2007 - Thomas states: "I found out, that there are some guys posting to my descriptions absolutely false details. This is not because they are stupid, this is because they want to prevent success."

It appears nobody has bothered to track down who he might be referring to and where you have been lead astray but YOU HAVE TAKEN A WRONG TURN.
...
.... you HAVE MADE A WRONG TURN....
...
I think I know when it occurred ....

Hi Duff,
thanks for sharing your thoughts, photos etc.
Please keep it up.

I am aware that I have introduced several shortcuts in my build, and I am not proud of it.
However...
Regarding the "wrong turn": Are you referring to Thomas' statement that the graphite rods should be able to move and be hung up in a way so that their position is not fixed? (So that they eventually can oscillate together with the sand)?

If you feel there is another wrong turn, I would like to know what you mean.
Thanks

Walter Hofmann

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #805 on: December 30, 2007, 11:49:15 AM »
Hi duff,
did you build the V6 and posted the pic and the results somewhere???
I did build the V6 to the point and posted the pic and video like I said the results are not what expected.
I did re-read all the old post's from TT and did carefully follow even the discussion on his site as it was still open for this reason and took every detail in. But TT did not show any pics or more then his description maybe he left something out, I dont know and probably never will. the discussion was not the practical kind.
the only what we realy have is the video and explanation therefor thats why I wana rebuild this version to have a comparisson start.
TT even said that the v6 is just to train the real V 12 would be much easier what is wrong there?
I feel because I have posted my real test results good or bad now it starts here again that everybody who does not report the same results like TT would be offended thats probably why less and less guys report here anythings anymore.
I mean to lecture anybody its easy but to do it self and show is another story.
greetigns
walt


Hi duff,
very nice defense. I agree with you totally in regards to changinmg anythings on a replica, but what should be replicated????? V6 ??? there was never a actual result given by TT nor any picture or values, WOW.
like mentioned before I did build after the  what you call "white paper" and did not see what I should , "what should I see"????
after not seeing the results expected I started carefully to change some portion and I believe I am right because now slowly I see some resluts even if it is just less.
I believe thats the way how any new ( or very old) discovery can be replicated  during testing and understand what is happen when.
greetings
walt


Hi Walter,

I think that the most complete instructions are for the V6 and therefore what we should try to replicate. Thomas thought by releasing that information he was protecting himself. So surely it is correct.

If yours did not work then you must have interpreted something wrong.

Please go back and read the discussion several days before Dec 14.

Kind Regards,


-Duff



Walter Hofmann

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #806 on: December 30, 2007, 11:53:23 AM »
Hi skywatcher,
nice clean work. somehow it seams to me that the capacitor or pipe frame has different sizes then mine because if you compare my picture there is more room at the sides for the coil's which should be 25mm in diameter.
but anyway try it I am courious what your results are.
greetings
walt

Here we go with the basic mechanics of the converter.   ;D

The 4 mm polystyrol plates with the capacitor built-in between them fit almost perfectly around the 12 mm copper tubes. 

The converter can easily be disassembled because the upper junctions are not soldered.
I have drilled 10 mm holes on the upper side to get good access to the contact points of the graphite rods, while maintaining the original construction with the wires leaving the converter to the left and right side. The holes can easily be closed by putting copper foil above them and fixing it with tape.


Walter Hofmann

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #807 on: December 30, 2007, 11:59:19 AM »

I wish you all a Happy new year and lots of success.
greetings
walt

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #808 on: December 30, 2007, 12:45:22 PM »
Hi Walter,
From your postings I got the impression that you observed certain results when your converter was placed at a certain height in the pyramid structure.
These results were voltage fluctuations in the mV range which only occurred when the converter was in the pyramid structure (if we don't consider the experiments with the magnets).

Is this correct?
If this is correct, then I would consider your attempts successful.

Thomas clearly stated in an answer to Tigrotto that without the gypsum plates we will only get mVs.
Did you try with gypsum plates?

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #809 on: December 30, 2007, 12:59:33 PM »
Happy new year to everybody. @ Walter Hofmann. We all admire you for the amount of work done, and the way you have posted results. I would agree, as I posted some days ago, that if one has gone as far as possible with a v6 and got limited results, then maybe it is time to try a v4. Keep your v6 converter, it doesn't eat anything, and give the v4 a chance. I have spent hours trying to come up with a final circuit diagram for  v4. It would be nice if anyone could post their version of a v4 diagram.
         @Duff, I agree with all you say about replication, but different materials are available in different countries, so some differences will occur. The trouble is we do not know what details are important, and which are not. Also, it is best if different people try different things. I too, remarked earlier about the graphite rods being free to oscillate. If you think we have missed something, please do tell. After all we can then consider what you say and form our own opinions.
          Somewhere on the internet, I read that water stored in a pyramid overnight boils in half the time of normal water. The pyramid used was entirely non metallic. Tests in my TT pyramid showed no difference in boiling time.