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Author Topic: First electrical power output from a Pyramid  (Read 550598 times)

skywatcher

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #615 on: December 16, 2007, 08:22:05 PM »
The problem is this:
I understood your errors from a physical point of view. The others our friends, most of them, don't understand this!!!

Where do you see errors in my posting ?
What you are saying about power, and measuring it with a resistor, is absolutely correct.

What i said: even when there is a voltage, but no power to measure in the sand, it would be interesting, if this voltage only occurs after putting the sand into the pyramid for several hours. Of course you can measure voltages everywhere with a high-impedance voltmeter, but if you can measure a voltage after 'pyramid treatment' which is significantly higher than the voltage without this treatment, then i would also consider this as remarkable.

neptune

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #616 on: December 16, 2007, 08:52:33 PM »
I spend a lot of time looking again and again at what has been previously posted on this subject. I just noticed something which validates something I said previosly. Look at the picture of the converter on page 1 of this subject. OK , we know this is not the V6 [or v12] but look at the coil wound on the bottom bit of the copper frame. Notice;
 1 It has a larger internal diameter than the external diameter of the copper tube[it is a loose fit]
2 It is not co-axial with the copper tube.[ It is mounted off center]
  In the plans for v6 TT says wind coils with wire of2.5mm diameter and an internal diameter of 25mm [of the coil]
           This more or less shows what I said . Do not wind coils directly onto the copper. Thre must be a space, or perhaps cardboard in between.

Tigrotto

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #617 on: December 16, 2007, 09:14:58 PM »
@skywatcher
That's correct now! Maybe it was only my misunderstanding asI'm not an English speaker!
Apologizes,
Tigrotto

Tigrotto

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #618 on: December 16, 2007, 09:18:50 PM »
@neptune,
Agreed ( insulated wire!),
otherwise ( if no insulated wire wounded on copper frame) means not use for wounding coils !
Tigrotto

skywatcher

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #619 on: December 16, 2007, 09:24:49 PM »
That's correct now! Maybe it was only my misunderstanding asI'm not an English speaker!
Apologizes,
Tigrotto

Ok. That's a problem for most of us who are not native speakers of English. But your English is much better than my Italian.  ;)

Today i finished building my pyramid frame. Infos about it will follow in the other thread.

Pegasus

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #620 on: December 16, 2007, 11:08:19 PM »
@Tigrotto
I completely agree with Skywatcher when he says:"....even when there is a voltage, but no power to measure in the sand, it would be interesting, if this voltage only occurs after putting the sand into the pyramid for several hours. Of course you can measure voltages everywhere with a high-impedance voltmeter, but if you can measure a voltage after 'pyramid treatment' which is significantly higher than the voltage without this treatment, then i would also consider this as remarkable"

Maybe you have not understood the real meaning of my post on the experiment.
I'm sure that my "cup of sand" is not able to power even a led,but probably,accepted science cannot explain why I got voltage in it......

Regards,
Cyrano.

jeanna

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #621 on: December 16, 2007, 11:45:27 PM »
If I remove the electrodes and I insert the probes of the voltmeter,DIRECTLY in the wet sand exposed to the pyramid,I got voltage.This phenomenon  resemble piezoelectricty,but I'm not sure,because I havent take measurements with the same sand -not- wetted.In these experiments .If I use sand not exposed to the energy of the pyramid,I get pratically NOTHING,no voltage, in every mentioned cases.
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Now I ask to people that have the possibility to repeat the experiment
Regards,
Cyrano


Hi Pegasus,
I am here to keep me from  impatiently fiddling with the probes on my meter . I am doing only controls right now and I do not have a good pyramid yet. I am only doing the part with the salt water in the sand in the glass jar. Here are some results:

If I stick the probes directly into the
dry sand   0.000v
5% salt water  0.005v
graphite pencils as rods shorted 0.00v   
all as expected OK

now, I wetted the sand with the salt water. at first the reading was 0.001 then I noticed that it changed while I was holding the probes. So, I stuck the probes into the damp sand and as I have been watching and waiting for about 45 minutes the voltage has risen continuously and now the voltage reads 0.090v I am not even sure it is slowing down.

I suppose it could be that I am slowly shorting my meter and the battery which the meter uses as a reference is slowly draining.  >:( ???

but no up and down motion - just steadily going up.

I will continue to report. Maybe I will make a foam pyramid today while I wait.

jeanna

Walter Hofmann

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #622 on: December 17, 2007, 11:56:40 AM »
Hi all.
I had a big surprise yesterday I had to take the converter apart and start over because I brook one of the graphite rods. now I empty the sand totally dry out the pipe and started over filling with sand then putting the two new rods in fill up the pipe and closed off, fill saltwater. then I put it back in to the pyramide frame insulated at the same spot like before and to my surprise the voltage reading rods to pyramide frame showed only 0.004V. I added a bit more of the saltwater nothing changed. the first setup what had exactly the same material for everythings and even the same amount of saltwater showed right a way 0.231V fluctuating to 0.482V.
this is very strange.
did somebody expirience similar things?
please post it or send me PM
thanks and greetings
walt

Pegasus

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #623 on: December 17, 2007, 12:18:21 PM »
@Jeanna.
Its not clear to me if you have exposed the sand to the center of the pyramid.By the way if you get raising voltage  during the trethment,is is a good sign.I have measured my voltage after removing the pyramid and I have noticed the capacitor discharge effect.Not doing the exposition on my sand it doesn manifest any effect.Completely inert.I think that if we get differnt results,is becuase we dont use the same source of materials as starting base,so we can get a lot of different varations.even with differnt pyramids,different locations,etc.etc..
If you have the possibility,try to put into the wetted sand a sheet of aluminium and one of copper,and measure the output,and compare with a test control outside the pyramid.There was rumors in the past about the strange effects of these two metals subjected to the energy of the pyramid..Maybe is true.   

@All
 I counsil to everyone to finish their pyramids and show the pics to Thomas.There is the possibilty that he will send the new instructions only to builders.If you got the instruction dont post it here or elsewere without his permission,because there is the possibility that Thomas will leave us,and without his help we will are not able to finish our work,even with every details.


Regards,
Cyrano.

Pegasus

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #624 on: December 17, 2007, 12:42:21 PM »
Doing a search on the web I have found various posts and articles on Thomas  sharing his invention .WRONG!
Thomas has expressly said to not talk about these things outside the forum,otherwise he will leave.
Consider that acting in this way we augment the possibility of danger to Thomas and his family.And consider that without Thomas we will are not able to run our pyramids...
I ask myself why people are so stupid........

Cyrano

Pegasus

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #625 on: December 17, 2007, 12:54:50 PM »
See this link;another strange device......

http://totalism.50megs.com/7_text.htm

bobinaccounting

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #626 on: December 17, 2007, 05:47:07 PM »
I think this is basically a sail, Wouldnt the coil part need to be underneath the pyramid to properly work? where is the center of gravity would be? 

neptune

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #627 on: December 17, 2007, 07:24:11 PM »
Pyramid frame completed today.I have used angle-iron throughout-30x30x5mm. TT says that the vital dimensions are those of the inside surface of the plasterboard skin, and I have stuck to that as closely as possible. Hopefully buying gypsum board tomorrow. One thing that keeps coming back to me is TTs words about building a larger pyramid, and about having problems with static electricity. Could staticHope to complete the job by Sunday, work permitting. be an important part of the whole thing? My basic plan is to complete my duplication, and if it does not work , I have a lot of experiments to try. One idea is to "prime" the converter with a charge of high voltage static. Another is to investigate the cavity of the completed pyramid with a simple electroscope[google it] Not long now to copletion, work permitting.

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #628 on: December 17, 2007, 07:53:03 PM »
I think this is basically a sail, Wouldnt the coil part need to be underneath the pyramid to properly work? where is the center of gravity would be? 

Well, that is basically the prototype of a parachute by Leonardo da Vinci.
First you need to find the centre of gravity of each four gypsum boards:

>> The center of each gypsum plate (Mittelpunkt einer Gipsplatte) is
>> located at 1/3 of the height of the pyramid ca. 23,6 cm above the
>> base. NOT at 1/2 the height.

Now join these points this way: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,695.msg63739.html#msg63739

Pontifex

neptune

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #629 on: December 17, 2007, 08:46:57 PM »
Can anyone tell me the origin of "Skizze 2". Was it drawn by or for TT? The reason i ask, is that it shows the 2 coils covering nearly the whole of the vertical side-pieces of the copper frame. If we now refer back to the photo of the converter shown on page 1 of this topic, [I know this is not the v6] the coil is wound closely[adjacent turns touching.] So again we have conflicting info. Spacing of turns may be important because it effects the inductance of the coil. If the coil is to be close wound, its hight will be about 9x2,5=22.5mm. so there is the question, how high up the copper tube to place the coil. {My guess would be down the bottom where the wet sand meets the dry sand, in other words, the coil would enclose the botton of each graphite rod.] We have had people complaining about people being unable to follow plans, but this is just one example of ambiguous information. The moral is , if is does not work, there is always something else to try. A photo of v6 would have answered many quesyions.