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Walter Hofmann

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #540 on: December 12, 2007, 11:14:41 PM »
Hi all
I forgot to mention that all my tests are done without covering the pyramide frame.
greetings
walt

MT

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #541 on: December 13, 2007, 09:06:42 AM »
Hi neptun from frosty england we have 28 degree C here,
my tablesaw has plastic caster is also insulated from the floor and between the cast isorn table and the pyramid frame is thick cardboard another insulation.
I had another expierience I did wana try to adjust one of the rods to fixate it and brook it but I did not realiese it right a way and then I took measurements  and I can tell you the rod was broken about 40 mm from the top and had no connection to the other part of the rod and the DVM still showed the fluctuating Voltage of 0.23 to 0.45V. but the other side rod was perfeckt. I also used a analog Voltmeter to find out if the DVM shows the right value and it did show the same even if it is hard to read with this jumping of the needle
OK maybe somebody ca try something of this and confirme or not
greetings
walt
Hi
very interesting what you see together with magpower. I'll certainly try it just dont have pyramide yet, still buidling it (doing base with screws need it flexible), problem is time I'm traveling this weekend and will all preparations I cant finished it now. I estimate to get back to building next tuesday  :(
Anyway this could be proof of principle. So you get this fluctuating voltage and if you take that copper frame out of pyramide then voltage effect stops?
Having pyramide I would try to just cut short piece of copper tube close it on one side put sand + salt water and rod. then measure voltage from rod to pyramide frame and try different positions of it within and outside. I would also make photos or better video. But thats what I would do maybe you have better ideas.
If you can please dont go silent I dont know what to expect from internet anymore.
have a nice day,
MT

Gustav22

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #542 on: December 13, 2007, 09:31:44 AM »
I have also build a pyramid and a V6 converter.
Unfortunately I can not yet observe a voltage rise when I place the converter in the pyramid.

I connected each graphite rod to the upper end of a coil and then I connected the lower end of each coil to opposite face-plates of the capacitor.

So my converter basically consists of three electrical  units. These are:

- short graphite rod + coil A + capacitor plate A
- long graphite rod + coil B + capacitor plate B
- tubular U-frame

After adding the salt water I read the following values (regardless whether the converter is inside or outside the pyramid):
- capacitor plate A to capacitor plate B: 0.01 V
- capacitor plate (A or B) to tubular U-frame: 0.1 V
The U-frame is always negative. I find this remarkable. Does anyone have similar values?

- capacitor plate A to apacitor plate B: 70 kOhm
- short graphite rod to tubular U-frame: 10 kOhm
- long graphite rod to tubular U-frame: 2 kOhm

I don't know:
- which part of the converter should be grounded (i.e. be attached to the grounded pyramid frame) ?
- which part of the converter should be floating (i.e. be neither connected to ground nor to the load) ?
- which side of the pyramid can best be left open during testing (N, S, E, W) ?
- should the converter be mounted so that the plates of the capacitor face N and S or should they face E and W ?

Walter Hofmann

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #543 on: December 13, 2007, 11:20:34 AM »
Hi gustav,
like I said I did not have the coils or capacitor connected to the frame . this comes next. maybe you got a short in the capacitor. I would recommend disconnect the coils and the cap and then measure the voltage inside the pyramide and outside and you should see inside the pyramide at the center about 180 to 220mm high insulated from the pyramide a fast fluctuating voltage of about 0.2 to 0.4V the voltmeter connected negative to pyramide frame and pos to ether one of the graphite rods. outside the pyramide there is pretty much nothing max was a had was 0.04V.
the converter should not be groundet at all that one mein issue. I have the u-frame facing north better 5 degree NNE what means the capacitor should face the same.
I would say the south side should be left open for first check but I have not coverd my pyramide fvrame jet and when I cover it I will put hinges on this seite to find out if a totally closed pyramide changes any value. but first I will test all components without a cover.
just check the voltage on the tubular frame to each of the rods tubular negative and ether rod to positive ther should show something like 0.4 to 0.7V.
maybe this helps
greetings
walt


I have also build a pyramid and a V6 converter.
Unfortunately I can not yet observe a voltage rise when I place the converter in the pyramid.

I connected each graphite rod to the upper end of a coil and then I connected the lower end of each coil to opposite face-plates of the capacitor.

So my converter basically consists of three electrical  units. These are:

- short graphite rod + coil A + capacitor plate A
- long graphite rod + coil B + capacitor plate B
- tubular U-frame

After adding the salt water I read the following values (regardless whether the converter is inside or outside the pyramid):
- capacitor plate A to capacitor plate B: 0.01 V
- capacitor plate (A or B) to tubular U-frame: 0.1 V
The U-frame is always negative. I find this remarkable. Does anyone have similar values?

- capacitor plate A to apacitor plate B: 70 kOhm
- short graphite rod to tubular U-frame: 10 kOhm
- long graphite rod to tubular U-frame: 2 kOhm

I don't know:
- which part of the converter should be grounded (i.e. be attached to the grounded pyramid frame) ?
- which part of the converter should be floating (i.e. be neither connected to ground nor to the load) ?
- which side of the pyramid can best be left open during testing (N, S, E, W) ?
- should the converter be mounted so that the plates of the capacitor face N and S or should they face E and W ?

Walter Hofmann

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #544 on: December 13, 2007, 11:53:37 AM »
Hi all,
did anybody allready try to use one  of the air variable capacitors like the was in the old radios used for tuning ? they come in different values up to 500pF what should be somehow in the range of the copper capacitor.
I dont have one but I will find one and try this I am just courious if somebody has try it jet.
greetings
walt

Walter Hofmann

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #545 on: December 13, 2007, 12:01:03 PM »

Hi neptun from frosty england we have 28 degree C here,
my tablesaw has plastic caster is also insulated from the floor and between the cast isorn table and the pyramid frame is thick cardboard another insulation.
I had another expierience I did wana try to adjust one of the rods to fixate it and brook it but I did not realiese it right a way and then I took measurements  and I can tell you the rod was broken about 40 mm from the top and had no connection to the other part of the rod and the DVM still showed the fluctuating Voltage of 0.23 to 0.45V. but the other side rod was perfeckt. I also used a analog Voltmeter to find out if the DVM shows the right value and it did show the same even if it is hard to read with this jumping of the needle
OK maybe somebody ca try something of this and confirme or not
greetings
walt
Hi
very interesting what you see together with magpower. I'll certainly try it just dont have pyramide yet, still buidling it (doing base with screws need it flexible), problem is time I'm traveling this weekend and will all preparations I cant finished it now. I estimate to get back to building next tuesday  :(
Anyway this could be proof of principle. So you get this fluctuating voltage and if you take that copper frame out of pyramide then voltage effect stops?
Having pyramide I would try to just cut short piece of copper tube close it on one side put sand + salt water and rod. then measure voltage from rod to pyramide frame and try different positions of it within and outside. I would also make photos or better video. But thats what I would do maybe you have better ideas.
If you can please dont go silent I dont know what to expect from internet anymore.
have a nice day,
MT
Hi MT
dont worry I dont go silence on this. But like TT says the graphite rods should not get wet I dont know why but this is what he said.
greetings
walt


magpower

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #546 on: December 13, 2007, 04:34:52 PM »
I have also build a pyramid and a V6 converter.
Unfortunately I can not yet observe a voltage rise when I place the converter in the pyramid.

I connected each graphite rod to the upper end of a coil and then I connected the lower end of each coil to opposite face-plates of the capacitor.

So my converter basically consists of three electrical  units. These are:

- short graphite rod + coil A + capacitor plate A
- long graphite rod + coil B + capacitor plate B
- tubular U-frame

After adding the salt water I read the following values (regardless whether the converter is inside or outside the pyramid):
- capacitor plate A to capacitor plate B: 0.01 V
- capacitor plate (A or B) to tubular U-frame: 0.1 V
The U-frame is always negative. I find this remarkable. Does anyone have similar values?

- capacitor plate A to apacitor plate B: 70 kOhm
- short graphite rod to tubular U-frame: 10 kOhm
- long graphite rod to tubular U-frame: 2 kOhm

I don't know:
- which part of the converter should be grounded (i.e. be attached to the grounded pyramid frame) ?
- which part of the converter should be floating (i.e. be neither connected to ground nor to the load) ?
- which side of the pyramid can best be left open during testing (N, S, E, W) ?
- should the converter be mounted so that the plates of the capacitor face N and S or should they face E and W ?

Tried to upload pics not yet, this site is getting very hard to talk to lately. Just a thought maybe more to a yahoo group. Got my pickup tubes done with rods and desert sand I used from pet store. Next plates.

Did you use 10 plates to make a capacitor, and this faces the same North - south. This plate or plates I think should be the focal point of your pyramid. I think if it is working right open circuit reading should be very high and with 8 ohm load brings it down to 6 volts or so. I will try once more to post and try pics later.

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #547 on: December 13, 2007, 04:35:58 PM »
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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #548 on: December 13, 2007, 04:47:47 PM »
Gustav22, do not give up, try the tests Walter describes. Walter, I think you misunderstood what I said about the table saw. what i meant was, hang the converter inside the metal frame of the table saw instead of inside the pyramid. This will test if the effect is due to the shape of the pyramid.Gustav, the orientation of the converter is capacitor central. one side of copper frame east and one side west. I believe wires lead out to the north, and if this is the case, TT has the north face as the door. See pictures on page one of this topic.
    My base board comes tomorrow, welding saturday. Gustave, post yor full specification. Origin and diameter of graphite rods, diameter of copper tube, type of sand, is pyramid frame grounded. More info you send, more help you will get. If we find what dont work, we are nearer to finding what does.

atlantex

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #549 on: December 13, 2007, 07:08:24 PM »
Hi all,

Thomas is back with great news!!!

http://trawoeger-pyramide.info/


there is also a new yahoo group for the TTP project.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pyramide-project


cheers

atlantex

Pontifex

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #550 on: December 13, 2007, 07:08:42 PM »
Just in case somebody still needs the pyramid video from Thomas Traw?ger for comparison or detailed study. You can get it in two different formats (wmv and flv):

video format: wmv
size: 63,4MB
duration: 12:15 minutes
Download: http://rapidshare.com/files/76133079/video.zip.html
zip password: tpp_overunity

video format: flv
size: 12,1 MB
duration: 12:17 minutes
Download: http://rapidshare.com/files/76137616/video__flv_.zip.html
zip password: tpp_overunity

The translation german => english is located here:
http://panaceauniversity.org/D12.pdf

P.S.: As most of you already know: The necessity of a permanent magnet was a deception trick!

magpower

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #551 on: December 13, 2007, 07:35:21 PM »
Thanks, I can't load pics here, so at other place, meet there

Tigrotto

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #552 on: December 13, 2007, 07:39:56 PM »
Hi Guys,
Let's wait a little bit, because Tom is coming back sooner !
It looks like there are some missing infos in V6 or maybe we all of us didn't understand properly V6.
Better to wait for V12 documentation, because as Tom said many times , it will be complete of examples, experimental data., if i'm not wrong in understanding what he said!
Cheers,
Tigrotto

vipond50

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #553 on: December 13, 2007, 07:46:57 PM »
Hello Tigrotto
Where have u been ? I hoping that u could have contributed during this quite time. Are u still working the PP project or waiting on Mr. T ?
I for one feel that there is enough information to complete the basic project, which a few have done.
Congrats to them  ;)

Looking forward to your reply?

Bill

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #554 on: December 13, 2007, 07:56:48 PM »
Hi Tigrotto,

I don't understand your strange behaviour. During the absence of Thomas you were here, every single day (this is checked) without saying a word, just silently reading. Now just at that moment Thomas returns you want to tell us what to do??

Pontifex  >:(